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    James123
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    The reason Being, God or Godhead cannot be claimed is simple: the so-called Godhead or God is total disappearing. There is no “me,” no experience, no awareness, no being, no life, no consciousness, no body, no universe, no state, no enlightenment, no mind, nothing at all exists there.

    What I used to call Being, pure consciousness, or Allah etc… These words are only pointers, guides toward It. They are not It itself.

    This is the so-called Godhead: not a state, not an experience, not silence, not presence, only total disappearing. Nothing has ever appeared, nothing has ever disappeared.

    It is the recognition that even life itself has never truly taken place, as before so-called physical birth, now, and after so-called physical death. You can even disseappear while walking to kitchen as below.

    There is no one there to claim, see, talk, write, answer, or witness anything.

    Complete dissolution.

    This is the Ultimate Truth.

    Best Regards,

    #449182
    anita
    Participant

    Dear James123:

    “Complete dissolution”… – How does it feel to hold that truth? Is it a kind of relief—knowing that one day there will be no pain, no attachment, no grasping… nothing?

    Does it soothe? Does it ache?

    Warmly, Anita

    #449188
    James123
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    İt is what You really are.

    İf you do not think Now, it is Now.

    Actually, it is nameless.

    But, if i can name it, it is absolute freedom (neither positive nor negative).

    #449192
    anita
    Participant

    Dear James123:

    The kind of freedom you are referring to is not the kind that comforts (positive value). It’s the kind that dissolves (neither positive nor negative).

    Anxiety (negative) can be dissolved then, worry can be dissolved, fear.. anger, at least for a moment.. and then, for a longer and longer moment.

    Thank you!

    Anita

    #449193
    Peter
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    Hi James and Anita

    Like Anita, I also wonder if such radical nondual insight into total disappearance truly soothe?
    Noticing my own tendencies I must also ask if this vanishing is a connection to Life or an escape from it? To soothe, to escape to engage… all desires…

    “The Buddha said: If you say the Buddha has spoken the Dharma, you slander him. In truth, not a single word has been spoken.

    I realize that to engage in such questions at all is to leave the nondual space… begging the question whether asking the question already answers it… perhaps with another question: “Who is asking?”

    Still when not held as a philosophy but as a inner realization that arises naturally, I know such nonduality can be liberating… As I explored the nondual space, I noticed how the inner narrator sustains identity, and how moments of wordless presence reveal a deeper truth of a state not so much as silence, but the absence of all “scaffolding”.

    I wonder if what we call “self” is not a fixed entity but a linguistic construct. Language gives shape to experience, measures it, judges it, and in doing so, creates the illusion of continuity. Without words to name or narrate, the self dissolves through the quiet absence of description.

    Without language to describe the self, there is no self.” In this sense, disappearance is not a metaphysical event, but the natural result of language falling away.

    Joseph Campbell once said, “The ultimate aim of the quest must be, not to see, but to be. And that being is not a being with a name, but a being beyond names.” Even this reflection is a paradox of language trying to point beyond itself.

    The question I’m left with is whether language is not merely a tool for communication, but THE medium through which the self is constructed and maintained. Here I’m reminded of the call “not to judge” and I wonder if this call wasn’t a call to silence language itself?

    How much, if not all the suffering we create for ourselves, and others is a matter of holding on to words too tightly?

    #449195
    James123
    Participant

    Hi Peter,

    Language and thought are only tools of communication. They arise and fall — just like the body, life, and the universe — within the Unnamable.

    When attachment to thought takes root, it gives birth to personality, and with it, the illusion of a separate “person.”

    Yet body and life unfold on their own, with no one in control. In the same way, thoughts arise and fall within the Unnamable, as effortlessly as breathing or the beating of the heart.

    For the “me,” there was much suffering, until it reached the point where holding on was no longer possible. I completely let go.

    And in that letting go, not even ashes remained of “me.”

    #449196
    Peter
    Participant

    Hi James

    Language and thought are only tools of communication. They arise and fall — It true all things arise and return – sound arises and return to silence, motion arises and returns to stillness, time arises and returns to the eternal, which isn’t a measurement of time or a measurement at all.

    Still, I don’t feel language is only a tool. Language arising from the eternal is what gives birth to the sense and illusion of self. Without language, there is no self to describe, no continuity to uphold. In this way, the “me” is not just a bundle of thoughts, but a structure built from words. When language loosens, the scaffolding collapses. No language, no self.

    The central point of the world is the point where stillness and movement are together. Movement is time, stillness eternity.
    Realizing the relationship of the temporal moment to the eternal — not moment, but forever — is the sense of life…
    Realizing that eternity is right here now, that it is within your possibility to experience the eternity of your own truth and being, then you grasp the following: That which you are was never born and will never die.
    ” – Campbell

    At this point in my life I don’t feel the radical nondual disappearance as a path, while learning to hold words lightly has… soothed my soul. We are unfortunately limited to language to speak of what can’t be spoken. In the end we find the words that suit us and then let them fade away.

    #449198
    James123
    Participant

    Hi Peter,

    Body and mind works perfectly. İt doesn’t need a “me” function. While, heart beats, liver functions, or mind chatters, it doesn’t ask “me”. Therefore, this is not non duality nor no self. This is living as Truth within so called human body.

    However, the identification with the body as person, inevatibly creates suffering. İf one choose to suffer then why not, just be attached with the body or mind, as considering the mind chattering as “me”.

    Total disseappears will come at the so called physical death.

    That’s it.

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