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December 25, 2025 at 2:47 am #453312
James123ParticipantDear Anita,
Any beliefs belongs to separate self.
Dear Alessa,
After all these conversations, you say that i am Muslim or Christian.
There is no separation, all is one, one is all.
Christ and Muhammad never separated people. But dogma, ideology does.
My celebration is breathing.
Peace.
December 25, 2025 at 3:42 am #453313
TeeParticipantHi James,
But dogma, ideology does.
You’re right. Even the ideology that there is nothing, that God is “total disappearing”:
The reason Being, God or Godhead cannot be claimed is simple: the so-called Godhead or God is total disappearing. There is no “me,” no experience, no awareness, no being, no life, no consciousness, no body, no universe, no state, no enlightenment, no mind, nothing at all exists there.
God is the Creator, James. From the singular consciousness, worlds are created. Including me and you. I’m sorry you’re insisting on nothingness, which is indeed nihilism.
I understand that you felt something akin to disappearing in your meditations, but these meditations happened, as Anita said, under extreme conditions, you living in darkness for an entire year, and spending 8-10 hours per day meditating.
I would love to hear more about how you came to the decision to spend a year in darkness… because it is a pretty radical one. I would like to hear more about your process.
I also understand that you went through some pretty tough medical trauma, and that you now feel lucky to be able to breathe (My celebration is breathing.). I know that, because I myself have debilitating health issues, perhaps not life-threatening like yours, but very limiting and causing me slip into hopelessness pretty regularly (but then I bounce back). So I understand when you say “life is suffering”…
Anyway, I’d like to talk about the issues you’re facing, but would not like to subscribe to the idea of nothingness that you’re advocating. I hope we can remain in conversation.
Best wishes to you!
December 25, 2025 at 4:38 am #453314
AlessaParticipantHi James
Apologies, if I misunderstood. I was just trying to be respectful of your culture. Some people who are Muslim don’t like to participate in any shape or form in Christian celebrations. 🩵
I agree. My understanding is that Islam, Christianity and Judaism all share the same roots. I don’t believe in division personally. Words are used to describe things and communicate. 🩵
I’m curious to hear about your experience of being in meditation for a year, if there is anything you would like to share about it. 🩵
I share your joy in breathing. Breathe deeply! 🩵 🩵 🩵
December 25, 2025 at 4:46 am #453315
James123ParticipantDear Alessa,
Total disseappearing is not a belief, it is surrendering all the beliefs.
And you are the accumulation of beliefs, if there is no more beliefs, what is left?
About experience of meditation that, when recognition happened that any experience belongs to body and mind, therefore no one to there to claim. James is dead. Therefore, Body feels pain yet there is no one to suffer. And that’s what Love is.
Love is simply being where you already are and it is end attachment, which are beliefs itself.
With love,
December 25, 2025 at 5:34 am #453316
AlessaParticipantHi James
I don’t see myself as an accumulation of beliefs. I have lived enough to know that beliefs are subject to change. Everything I am has changed and will continue to. 🩵
Beliefs are subtle like water. Linked to our experiences and we are always learning new things. 🩵
Hmm I guess having a child is interesting. For me, it shifts interest in myself to interest in my child. I suppose all of these petty fears. What his life will be? Will it be a good one? Will he suffer? Can I provide him with a good life? Will I live long enough to take care of him through childhood? Will he drown like I did?
At the end of the day, the idea of things is different from the experience. Only time will tell, you can spend all day worrying about something that might never happen. For what? Just have to live it. Like a teenager getting back in the water after drowning. 🩵
His life is his own and the outcome is not in my control. His fate, well I hope for the best, do what I can because, that is all we can do. 🩵
December 25, 2025 at 9:05 am #453325
TeeParticipantHi James,
About experience of meditation that, when recognition happened that any experience belongs to body and mind, therefore no one to there to claim. James is dead. Therefore, Body feels pain yet there is no one to suffer. And that’s what Love is.
Oh James, I wish I could erase the physical pain in my body simply by telling myself that I don’t exist. Well, I can’t… the thought, the idea, that I don’t exist, doesn’t erase the physical pain of a broken bone, or a worn-out cartilage in the knee.
I can pretend that pain is neutral to me, or that it’s even enjoyable, but that would be lying to myself. Because there is someone who is feeling that pain, who is receiving the sensations (nerve impulses) coming from the body to the brain. And someone who is observing that pain.
Come to think of it, the pain is gone only in 3 cases: 1) the body heals, 2) you take strong medicine/sedatives that take away the pain temporarily, 3) you die (physically, not metaphysically). I’ve just looked it up: even people in wheelchair often feel pain in their limbs (so-called nerve pain), even if they can’t use their legs.
Anyway, if my body is hurting, I can’t pretend I’m not suffering, even though I can reduce my suffering by various means, including self-suggestion and positive thinking. In Buddhism, there is a term “the second arrow of suffering”, which means that we can make our pain worse (be it physical or emotional pain) by catastrophizing and interpreting the events in a non-favorable way, which only increases our suffering. So if we keep telling ourselves that our situation is hopeless and beyond repair, our pain is likely to increase.
If I understood you well, you say that Love is when you tell yourself that you don’t exist (Body feels pain yet there is no one to suffer. And that’s what Love is).
Pretty strange definition of love… Because love is a relational phenomenon… God loves his creation (a tree, a flower, animals, humans…). A mother loves her child. A person loves their beloved.
Love is about relation. So I can’t really wrap my head around the idea that God-as-Nothing would love Me-as-Nothing? Or am I not understanding you correctly?
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