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  • #453312
    James123
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    Dear Anita,

    Any beliefs belongs to separate self.

    Dear Alessa,

    After all these conversations, you say that i am Muslim or Christian.

    There is no separation, all is one, one is all.

    Christ and Muhammad never separated people. But dogma, ideology does.

    My celebration is breathing.

    Peace.

    #453313
    Tee
    Participant

    Hi James,

    But dogma, ideology does.

    You’re right. Even the ideology that there is nothing, that God is “total disappearing”:

    The reason Being, God or Godhead cannot be claimed is simple: the so-called Godhead or God is total disappearing. There is no “me,” no experience, no awareness, no being, no life, no consciousness, no body, no universe, no state, no enlightenment, no mind, nothing at all exists there.

    God is the Creator, James. From the singular consciousness, worlds are created. Including me and you. I’m sorry you’re insisting on nothingness, which is indeed nihilism.

    I understand that you felt something akin to disappearing in your meditations, but these meditations happened, as Anita said, under extreme conditions, you living in darkness for an entire year, and spending 8-10 hours per day meditating.

    I would love to hear more about how you came to the decision to spend a year in darkness… because it is a pretty radical one. I would like to hear more about your process.

    I also understand that you went through some pretty tough medical trauma, and that you now feel lucky to be able to breathe (My celebration is breathing.). I know that, because I myself have debilitating health issues, perhaps not life-threatening like yours, but very limiting and causing me slip into hopelessness pretty regularly (but then I bounce back). So I understand when you say “life is suffering”…

    Anyway, I’d like to talk about the issues you’re facing, but would not like to subscribe to the idea of nothingness that you’re advocating. I hope we can remain in conversation.

    Best wishes to you!

    #453314
    Alessa
    Participant

    Hi James

    Apologies, if I misunderstood. I was just trying to be respectful of your culture. Some people who are Muslim don’t like to participate in any shape or form in Christian celebrations. đŸ©”

    I agree. My understanding is that Islam, Christianity and Judaism all share the same roots. I don’t believe in division personally. Words are used to describe things and communicate. đŸ©”

    I’m curious to hear about your experience of being in meditation for a year, if there is anything you would like to share about it. đŸ©”

    I share your joy in breathing. Breathe deeply! đŸ©” đŸ©” đŸ©”

    #453315
    James123
    Participant

    Dear Alessa,

    Total disseappearing is not a belief, it is surrendering all the beliefs.

    And you are the accumulation of beliefs, if there is no more beliefs, what is left?

    About experience of meditation that, when recognition happened that any experience belongs to body and mind, therefore no one to there to claim. James is dead. Therefore, Body feels pain yet there is no one to suffer. And that’s what Love is.

    Love is simply being where you already are and it is end attachment, which are beliefs itself.

    With love,

    #453316
    Alessa
    Participant

    Hi James

    I don’t see myself as an accumulation of beliefs. I have lived enough to know that beliefs are subject to change. Everything I am has changed and will continue to. đŸ©”

    Beliefs are subtle like water. Linked to our experiences and we are always learning new things. đŸ©”

    Hmm I guess having a child is interesting. For me, it shifts interest in myself to interest in my child. I suppose all of these petty fears. What his life will be? Will it be a good one? Will he suffer? Can I provide him with a good life? Will I live long enough to take care of him through childhood? Will he drown like I did?

    At the end of the day, the idea of things is different from the experience. Only time will tell, you can spend all day worrying about something that might never happen. For what? Just have to live it. Like a teenager getting back in the water after drowning. đŸ©”

    His life is his own and the outcome is not in my control. His fate, well I hope for the best, do what I can because, that is all we can do. đŸ©”

    #453325
    Tee
    Participant

    Hi James,

    About experience of meditation that, when recognition happened that any experience belongs to body and mind, therefore no one to there to claim. James is dead. Therefore, Body feels pain yet there is no one to suffer. And that’s what Love is.

    Oh James, I wish I could erase the physical pain in my body simply by telling myself that I don’t exist. Well, I can’t… the thought, the idea, that I don’t exist, doesn’t erase the physical pain of a broken bone, or a worn-out cartilage in the knee.

    I can pretend that pain is neutral to me, or that it’s even enjoyable, but that would be lying to myself. Because there is someone who is feeling that pain, who is receiving the sensations (nerve impulses) coming from the body to the brain. And someone who is observing that pain.

    Come to think of it, the pain is gone only in 3 cases: 1) the body heals, 2) you take strong medicine/sedatives that take away the pain temporarily, 3) you die (physically, not metaphysically). I’ve just looked it up: even people in wheelchair often feel pain in their limbs (so-called nerve pain), even if they can’t use their legs.

    Anyway, if my body is hurting, I can’t pretend I’m not suffering, even though I can reduce my suffering by various means, including self-suggestion and positive thinking. In Buddhism, there is a term “the second arrow of suffering”, which means that we can make our pain worse (be it physical or emotional pain) by catastrophizing and interpreting the events in a non-favorable way, which only increases our suffering. So if we keep telling ourselves that our situation is hopeless and beyond repair, our pain is likely to increase.

    If I understood you well, you say that Love is when you tell yourself that you don’t exist (Body feels pain yet there is no one to suffer. And that’s what Love is).

    Pretty strange definition of love… Because love is a relational phenomenon… God loves his creation (a tree, a flower, animals, humans…). A mother loves her child. A person loves their beloved.

    Love is about relation. So I can’t really wrap my head around the idea that God-as-Nothing would love Me-as-Nothing? Or am I not understanding you correctly?

    #453326
    James123
    Participant

    Dear Alessa,

    Try to find yourself in the body.

    Dear Tee,

    İt is not saying i don’t exist, it is being witness of the talker or sayer.

    You cant head around the idea, because, the head or mind is already out of control. Simple watch the mind even if takes years. Then you realize you are not the who born and dies, just the mind and body. The closest word of what you are is nothingness, yet no words can pass there. Any attachment to words belongs to mind.

    Peace.

    #453327
    James123
    Participant

    Dear Tee,

    You can not feel the love, because, you are linked with fears, which are holdings.

    İmagine that there is no one to protect or nothing that belongs to you, what could be better than that?

    Then what remain is love, that’s what truly living is.

    Then not temporary happiness, but, living love, living the moment without future and past is inevitable.

    Peace.

    #453329
    Tee
    Participant

    Hi James,

    You can not feel the love, because, you are linked with fears, which are holdings.

    When I feel love for the beautiful nature around me, I don’t feel fear since I can’t lose it (since I don’t possess it)… and yet I feel love. Love isn’t necessarily linked with fear. It is me (a part of God’s creation) loving nature (another part of God’s creation). Someone loving something or someone.

    But love of course can be associated with fear. We can fear losing the person we love, being jealous of others who might “take away” the person we love. We can love someone who doesn’t love us back, and we suffer because of it. We might fear we’ll never find anybody who will truly love us. All kinds of fears are related to love, or what we think love is.

    However, there is healthy and unhealthy attachment. Healthy attachment (which is also called a healthy emotional bond between people) is not antithetical to love. Unhealthy attachment to people and things – driven by all kinds of ego fears – is not true love.

    You seem to believe that all attachment is bad and antithetical to love. So it’s better not to care about anybody: İmagine that there is no one to protect or nothing that belongs to you, what could be better than that?

    But that’s throwing the baby out with the dirty bathwater: throwing away healthy attachment too, so you wouldn’t feel hurt by love. BTW, the people we love don’t belong to us. True love isn’t possessive. True love lets the beloved be free.

    Here is a quote I like: “Where there is control, or perception of control, there is not love. Love only exists where there is freedom.”

    I’m curious about your thoughts on this?

    #453330
    James123
    Participant

    Dear Tee,

    There is no such thing as good or bad. İf there is an attachment, there is suffering.

    Of course, you can feel love within the nature. But if in that moment you have tooth pain, will be love still there in that moment? No.

    Love doesn’t depend on circumstances or events. Love is simply Being and inevitably all there is without any and every outcome and results.

    You guys are totally misunderstanding what i am saying.

    İ am not saying that “oh don’t care about anyone because you don’t exist”. All i am saying that investigate the mind, which is you, who says oh i don’t care because I don’t exist, or Anita says this is nihilism etc…

    All i am saying this, watch the mind, who says these sentences. İnternal dialogue / mind is not you and doesn’t belong to you. İt is just a mind and body function.

    Peace.

    #453332
    Tee
    Participant

    Hi James,

    İ am not saying that “oh don’t care about anyone because you don’t exist”. All i am saying that investigate the mind, which is you, who says oh i don’t care because I don’t exist, or Anita says this is nihilism etc


    All i am saying this, watch the mind, who says these sentences. İnternal dialogue / mind is not you and doesn’t belong to you. İt is just a mind and body function.

    Let me ask you, James: who is engaging with us on this forum? Who is thinking these thoughts, arranging them into sentences, and then writing them down? If it’s not James, who is it? God? Nothing?

    #453334
    anita
    Participant

    Dear James: you are interpreting a personal, extreme experience as a universal truth.

    You described a year in darkness and silence, 8–10 hours of meditation per day, a near‑death experience, an open‑heart surgery, a belief that you “died many times”. Long periods of isolation or sensory reduction can lead to: feeling detached from one’s body,
    feeling like the self is unreal, feeling like thoughts are happening ‘on their own’, and a sense that the world is dreamlike or empty

    This is dissociation and depersonalization that can make someone interpret their experience as “there is no self” or “everything is nothing.”

    A conviction that your experience is the only truth, warnings that others will “burn” or “go insane” if they don’t accept your view0 this worldview, is being filtered through extreme sensory deprivation, trauma, isolation and altered states of consciousness, a collapse of personal identity, and a strong need to universalize your experience.

    Those factors make you sound rigid, apocalyptic, absolutist, disconnected from shared reality, convinced you’ve discovered a final truth.

    You interpret your internal experience as: the nature of the universe, the fate of all humans, the only truth, a warning others must hear. That’s why your messages feel heavy, fatalistic, and sometimes frightening. This is your psychological state being treated (by you) as metaphysics.

    The worldview you’re expressing — “there is no self, no awareness, no soul, no meaning, only nothingness” — is functionally absolute nihilism. Again, you’re interpreting a personal psychological state as universal truth, which is why it comes across as nihilism rather than non‑duality.

    You deny the validity of all other experiences. When Tee mentions NDEs full of love, light, or consciousness, you dismiss them as “mind.” When I described non‑duality, you dismiss it as “belief.”

    This is classic nihilistic absolutism: “My nothingness is the only truth; everything else is illusion.”

    That’s not philosophy — that’s personal nihilism interpreted as cosmic law.

    You reject all relational concepts of love. You say love is: “Being nothing.”, “No one to protect.”, “No one to suffer.” This is not love as any spiritual tradition defines it. It’s the emotional tone of nihilism dressed in spiritual language.

    You repeatedly say: “Awareness is nothingness.”, “The soul is nothingness.”, “Before birth = nothing. After death = nothing.”, “There is no you.”, “Everything you attach to burns.”- This is not non‑duality.

    Non‑duality says the personal self dissolves into awareness, not into nothing.

    You say awareness itself dissolves. That’s absolute nihilism.

    You deny the existence of: a self, a soul, awareness, consciousness, meaning, continuity after death, any underlying reality beyond the body- This is the core of metaphysical nihilism (nothing exists in any meaningful sense) and existential nihilism (life has no inherent meaning).

    Dear Tee: you’ve been engaging with patience and curiosity, and your question is exactly the right one. You’re not dismissing James’s experience; you’re simply pointing out the contradiction between: “There is no self,” and “I am here to warn you, you misunderstand, you must see the truth.” That contradiction matters because if there is no “James,” then there is also no one to warn, no one to correct, no one to insist on a single truth.

    Someone — or some perspective — is clearly interacting with us. Calling it “nothingness” doesn’t explain the activity we’re all witnessing.

    Your worldview, James, blends ego‑death language, sensory deprivation effects, and personal trauma into an absolutist philosophy that isn’t true non‑duality but a personalized form of nihilism.

    Tee’s question— “Who is engaging with us if not James?”—is the perfect way to expose the contradiction in your claims, because you insist the self doesn’t exist while actively arguing, warning, and choosing words. You will likely respond with phrases like “there is no doer,” which avoid the contradiction rather than resolve it.

    A grounded reply should gently point out that even if the self is seen as an illusion, illusions still function, and someone—or some perspective—is clearly choosing to type, argue, and interpret experiences. This shifts the conversation from metaphysical proclamations to observable reality, where a meaningful dialogue can actually occur.

    Anita

    #453336
    Roberta
    Participant

    Dear James

    A year in the dark & meditating 8-9hours a day that is a very rare achievement. Who supported you in this endeavor?
    I know of one other person who has attempted this, but I do not know what their outcome was.
    What teachings/training did you receive to support you thru this?
    At the monastery there was a nun who would be the safekeeper for people attempting dark retreats if I remember correctly those were for a maximum of three months, she said many people quit just after a few days because of its intensity.
    Have you done any other retreats? I know that for me & others coming out of even short retreats, the outside world can initially feel fast paced & very superficial.
    Kind regards
    Roberta

    #453337
    Alessa
    Participant

    Hi Everyone

    I feel we might be clinging too tightly to words. đŸ©”

    The truth is that already no one is ours. Even our loved ones. We just borrow them. It is a gift that they are in our lives for as long as they are. They are free to come and go. The universe gives and it takes away. đŸ©”

    I don’t really see the perspective James has as nihilism. It occurs in many philosophies. Sometimes different words are used such as emptiness or stillness. đŸ©”

    Funnily enough James, that is exactly what I was doing today. 😊 đŸ©”

    #453347
    James123
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    Your entire sentences are belongs to mind. Because, you believe in your words. No self, no universe, nothing still attachments. Just be witness who is saying these or believing these sentences.

    Dear Roberta,

    I was a very famous model. So, i didn’t have any financial problem. No one supported me. After my heart surgery (even if i recover very quickly), i just had to find what is the Truth. So, i dedicated myself to find it no matter what.

    Yes, i did. İ did, 3 months psychedelic retreats within darkness and silence. But, somehow i knew that these amazing mystical experiences are still belongs to body and mind. Therefore, i did 1 year retreat.

    Dear Alessa,

    Exactly. That’s all i am saying, actually.

    Peace.

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