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  • #60955
    Sarah
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    Sorry I wasn’t trying to express you were difficult to understand, more that my brain just wasn’t in a place where it wasn’t taking things in, and processing the valuable information you guys have shared into something useful. I was just reading and possibly deflecting as my low mood sometimes does.

    I think at the moment there seems to be two elements of advice.

    The love and accept who you are. Good advice and not wrong.
    And the eat better, move more and live healthily and become something I am happy with – which is as good for the brain as it in the body which is also good advice.

    But they conflict each other? I some how need them to work together. :S

    #60960
    The Ruminant
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    Sarah,

    There doesn’t have to be a conflict.

    Firstly, there is the physical reality of things. From a technical point of view, losing weight is not rocket science. You take in less energy than you expend. People can try to refute the calorie theory, but it still works. If you calculate your intake and your output over a longer period of time, you’ll see that it works. Sure, carbs, protein and fat all do different things and eating a more nutrient rich food is usually better than eating foods low in nutrients. But just to lose weight over time, it is enough to focus on calories. From that point of view, you are able to have takeout and enjoy a curry night without ruining your weight loss efforts. You’ll just have to make sure that over time, your intake is lower than your output. Some people do intermittent fasting, and eat normally during their eating window. So basically, they do eat the takeout and the curries, but they just don’t have it all the time. Or you might just eat lightly before a heavier meal or the day after it. This can be one of those things where it may look like someone is eating a lot, but somehow do not gain weight. They’re not magical. Sure, there are metabolic issues that should be taken into consideration, but their effect isn’t so big that they could completely negate our physical reality. Some people also naturally move more and fidget all the time, so they expend energy even without doing sports.

    Secondly, we all know that the mental part is the one that usually makes things really difficult. Stress can also cause metabolic issues, but let’s just focus on the more spiritual part now. If you see yourself as unworthy of a relationship right now, then losing weight isn’t going to all of a sudden change that belief. You have to actually change your belief to be happy with yourself. Losing weight is not enough. You could have the perfect body and be in a relationship and still be miserable. Paradoxically, if you did feel happy about yourself and you were enjoying life, you might naturally start to eat less junk food or move more. How you feel about yourself would start to affect your decisions.

    So, I don’t think that there is a conflict, but perhaps differences in how we view causality.

    I actually have a lot of thoughts on this subject, as I’ve spent a lot of time on different diet forums and I’ve seen so many people who are stuck and can’t seem to see a way out. Reality is less complex than what it may seem like when you’re feeling down and stuck.

    #61005
    Big blue
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    Hi Sarah,

    Hmmm lemne see…

    Accepting myself includes accepting change.

    We accept what we are. We accept we’re not perfect. That we’re wonderful. That we’ll grow old. That we’re mortal. That we are unique. That we change all the time. So why not direct the change? People go to school right? They learn music right? They cook right?

    Working out and eating right are changes if you’re not doing them now.

    Ask people who seem to be in shape. Ask them if they accepted themselves and if they are directing changes.

    Big blue

    #61024
    The Ruminant
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    Big Blue, actually there are a lot of people who are in shape because they suffer from some form of self-loathing. They attach morality into eating and exercise (“if I eat junk food, I am a bad person; if I exercise every day, I am a good person”). If the underlying reasoning and intention is twisted, then even if you reach your goals, you’ll not feel at peace with yourself. This lack of self-acceptance also reflects on other people, and there are some nasty people out there who project their own body issues onto others.

    The morality issue can also lead to either overtraining or self-sabotage. The strong belief that your worthiness is tied to your body image and eating and exercise patterns, can lead to a situation where all reason goes out the window. Skipping exercise or eating a pizza will cause anxiety. Or conversely, someone who truly believes that they are unworthy will constantly sabotage their attempts to exercise more or eat a bit less because it doesn’t fit their own image of themselves.

    This is why I’m such a big proponent of “get your head straight first and don’t be too hard on yourself”. If you have a healthy mind, then the body will follow. It might take a while, but perhaps patience would be one vital part of a healthy mind 🙂

    #61026
    The Ruminant
    Participant

    Actually, I just figured out how to say what I’m trying to say: when it comes to exercise and diet, do it because you love yourself, not because you hate yourself!

    #61039
    Big blue
    Participant

    Hi The Ruminant,

    Well said!

    🙂

    Big blue

    PS: Over a year ago I was at my rock bottom. I accepted myself warts and beauty marks. I’ve been working hard since then and enjoying every moment of change. I love the gym and eating right.

    • This reply was modified 9 years, 9 months ago by Big blue.
    #62568
    Sarah
    Participant

    @theruminant said:
    Actually, I just figured out how to say what I’m trying to say: when it comes to exercise and diet, do it because you love yourself, not because you hate yourself!

    Now that makes a whole lot of sense thank you

    I am working hard at the moment now to improve myself physically and mentally and hope that they will work together.

    I am going to do the intermittent fasting as they most definitely suits my eating habits

    Thank you all for your contributions to this thread.

    Namaste.

    #70518
    Peter Strong
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    Take time to meditate on your emotions. In this case, meditate on the resistance to doing things. This is a vital part of developing self-discipline – meditate on the emotions of resistance, apathy, aversion and other hindrances that hold you back. Until you have fully taken care of these fearful parts of yourself you will not be able to progress. As you know, you cannot talk yourself into being more motivated. Why? Because talk-thinking-ego operates at a subordinate level to feelings. Change the feelings and the thoughts will follow. heal the resistance/aversion and you will “suddenly” find yourself much more motivated and energized.

    • This reply was modified 9 years, 3 months ago by tinybuddha.
    #71883
    Katrina
    Participant

    Hi Sarah,

    I hope things are going well on your end, I know it’s a constant struggle but knowing that you’re facing these challenges is the first step forward.

    You talked a bit about habits in your earlier post, have you read about the habit loop? I think that can be really relevant to you. Step 1: cue, step2: routine, step 3: reward. TO break a habit you have to change the routine (step 2).

    To set better habits start setting yourself up on this loop. For example, let’s say you wanna work out as soon as you get home from work. The cue is you walk in the door and you see your workout clothes laid out on your bed (you put them there before you left to work), your routine is changing and heading to the gym. The reward, is that once you get home you give yourself 30 min or 1 hour of guilt-free TV watching. Try experimenting w/ different cues and rewards until the routing sticks and yes it does take 21-30 days and if you screw up one day. Don’t beat yourself up, just try again the next day and stick with it.

    Also, it seems like you’re trying to tackle multiple challenges/goals at once. I’d focus on just 1, 1 that will be a keystone habit. Keystone habits are those that improve other areas of your life so losing weight or being more active will improve other aspects of your life (organization, cleanliness, etc) it’s scientifically proven

    LMK if that helps! Good luck

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