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  • #220427
    Cali Chica
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    Dear Anita,

    Happy Sunday.  The weekend is winding down, and so are many of my thoughts.  I intentionally took some time from writing to you over the last week.  This is because, I want to practice to sink and savor many of my initial thoughts.  Of recent, I have had a lot more space for new thoughts and observations.  It is very like me to jump to analyze them, or solidify them in my head.  But I have been doing a better job of observing.  It is interesting which ones stick, and which ones float on by.  I see that if I am able to practice this in my head, I am also better at thinking before speaking – and hopefully acting too (with time).  Thoughts before speech before action.  What a ripple effect.  Even more so, interesting how practice with one thought, holding it and not reacting, can translate into less impulse later in the day (with something entirely different).  It is that the practice – period – translates into more stillness, even if the topics or context is not the same.

    For example, if I pause before answering a friend who is communicating at a time that is not ideal for me — I also am better later in the day to say pause before SPEAKING when someone is explaining themselves.  Perhaps the idea of pause can translate throughout the day.  One thing however is that it is quite deliberate.  I now over time things can become more “natural” or second nature.

    One thought that has continued with me throughout the weekend is this:

    First – Why do I have an obsession with communicating with others/sharing with others?

    Yes, I have become less social overall – yet I am still in contact with some great close friends, one in particular we speak daily.  It is kind of irrelevant who she is or much about her, because this is based on my end.  So, I always have had this feeling that if something great was happening, I had to share it with a good friend (or sister, or mom back then).  It made the experience more full, fun, and enriched.  I have seen over time and recently, that often I did this because I felt that sharing that experience made it more valid.  Such as sending pictures of a nice night out, versus being able to share it on my own just me and my husband.  Sharing details about a day the following morning, versus just sitting with them and savoring them, just me.  The list goes on but I assume you get my gist.  In thesis, the need to communicate versus sit still. What are your thoughts?

    Next, I have touched on this a month ago.  The obsession with people’s lives.  Now this is not obsession of wanting their life, or jealousy.  No not at all.  It is more based on the outward focus vs inward on me.  Here’s an example.  My friend S will tell me that this weekend is a big weekend for her, as her boyfriend is meeting the family.  I am so excited when I get this text.  I stop in my tracks and in my brain to respond to her.  Fine.  And so far this is being a good friend.  But then I find myself thinking about it throughout the day.  I bring it up to my husband or say my sister.  Sure, once again, I am a great empathetic friend – but I notice that I do not like this quality much in me anymore.  I notice that I have a good radar for balance these days, and this quality is off balance.  It is one thing to be great at being responsive and supportive.  But I take it to the next level, it is almost like my thoughts will revolve around that person’s news to a point, even though I am going about my day.  I would much rather be focused on my day and have the boundary of being supportive and excited for my friend and thats it.  I observe that I bring up my friends a lot to other people, husband, sister, or other good friends.  Yes once again because I am an innately social, compassionate, friendly person with a vast friend circle – yes.  But I don’t see others doing this AS much.  I know this is because they are (for the most part) more centered in their OWN lives.  G is not at work thinking about whether S had a good first date last night.  No G is at work thinking about her work or her own life, but if S calls her later, she can be attentive to her at that time.  G doesn’t think about S date 3 times throughout the day.  G doesn’t find herself telling others “oh my best friend is on a first date today I am so glad for her.” Frankly G doesn’t think this much about S all day.  Because G has her own life.  G has her self (and life) as the focus of her mind.  This, Anita, is what it is.  (clearly I am not G – and am quite the opposite)

    This one (this last quality) is one I have thought about ALL weekend.  It has helped that I am better about creating boundaries about when to respond to friends.  It is almost like if I left myself get carried away, and be “natural” my whole day may turn into talking to one person or another.  I want to curtail that now.  And with that comes the over thinking about their day.  So if I am in the above example not G, but M.  M thinks about S all day, but she hasn’t responded to her phone calls, so there is less for her to get distracted by.  She is already baseline distracted and focused on others, so answering calls and texts right now will make that worse.  Another example is that I can be with my husband, and have a great time, but still find ways to constantly think about what’s going on in friends lives. it’s almost to a level that a mother can’t stop thinking about her infant no matter where she is! It is almost like I can’t leave it at home.  This is regardless of what it is,whether they have good new or bad news.  And once again, none of it out of envy.  It is more like focusing on them, versus just focusing on me!

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    #220431
    Cali Chica
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    I would like to add, as my comment about a mother not being able to stop thinking about her infant, is quite a great analogy.

    Now that I have the space to think about it – it feels like this.  My mind will ALWAYS find a way to NOT focus on the present or the GOOD in my OWN life, by thinking about others.  Yes this is absolutely it.  It is as though my mind is teflon for focusing on my own life, especially the good, but velcro to the lives of others.

    Lets say my husband surprises me this weekend with an anniverary trip.  Well, I would be excited and happy.  But, it would be hard to feel real joy.  I would think happy and amused thoughts, but in my heart I would not feel light happy and floaty.

    Then a few hours later a friend texts me about the unraveling of her new love story and hopefully finally meeting the right guy.

    By the end of the evening, if you gave me the microphone and asked me my first thought, it would surely be about the friend.  Then you would say what about the surprise trip — I would say “oh yeah…” and then add that on.

    I have had this issue for as long as I can remember.  It has been a source of hurt for my husband as it is so easy for me to get caught up and “excited” for other people, but never be truly happy and joyous about our own life.

    Yes, absolutely true..

    But it disturbs me beyond a level of hurting my husband.  It disturbs me in the way that: I am not able to enjoy my own life, but overly able to think about the lives of others.

    I am not able to hold on to the good feelings of what is happening to me, but so quick to be happy or saddened by what is going on with  someone else.

    I am not able to protect the good in my life, and have no shield, or really respect for it.

    What are your thoughts? I would love to hear before I present mine…below..

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    Well how could I – my mother never allowed me to respect the good in my life.  She smashed it, stomped on it, and spit it out.  So what respect do I have for my own life, let alone the good.  Everyone has it better anyway in her (and my) world – so perhaps it never feels the “good” that is happening is real or valid.

    Yes, something like that.  It feels like if something great is happening, it is like I am reading it, but not feeling it.  Like ecstatic that say my husband planned an amazing day for me.  Ecstatic in words, and enjoyed yes – but not a true centered feeling of joy.

    And so this amazing day or feeling of the day quickly washes away in a second.  It holds no true value or respect in me.  I am then as quickly as ever absorbed in the stories and lives of others.  Back to them as always.

    Another thing, my mother made me responsible for her happiness, and to an extent my sister’s too.  this wasn’t an option it was life.  It wasn’t asked for, it was INNATE.  thus my feeling of other people is also innate.  If a friend messages me that she had a fight with her bf, I instantly and innately drop EVERYTHING to help her.  To the point that she may even say, well listen you can get back to me later.  But nope Cali Chica MUST HELP NOW.  And – If for some reason she doesn’t she will probably end up worrying about it later.  Now I analyze this.  Sometimes this is because I truly care.  I take ON the feeling of the friend. If she is hurting I am hurting.  I absorb it all.  I feel for her, so I do ALL I can.

    Then other times, I don’t necessarily feel this compelled in my heart, but I do in my head.  These times are the times I am thinking about more.  These are the times where the way  I function is more out of habit and addiction  versus feeling overly compelled by emotion.  The times when a friend reaches out to ask how I am doing – feeling the need to not brush her off even if I am busy.  The times when someone that is not an immediate priority asks me for an opinion, and I then make it a priority to answer even though I shouldn’t have at that exact moment.  An addiction to communicating.

    And as above even after the communication ceases, the focus of THEIR life in my head.

    Now in my own Q and A if you asked me if I envy any of my friends- No.  Do I feel any of my friends have a better life than me = NO.  Do you think you want to be like another person in your life = NO.  Do you wish you would spend the majority of your time thinking about your own life = YES. Do you think you obsess over silly details in their life that they hardly think of their own self = YES (how weird!) like how a mother is busy thinking about whether baby Tim is going to have enough interaction with other kids his age in this suburb, before getting to school. or if his current behavior now will set him up for acting out in school.  baby Tim has no worry about this – and in fact he will probably be fine! yet I think about these things for people I hardly am as close to as (fake baby TIM) people who are JUST friends!

    Why do you do this? Because my brain is averse to focusing on my life.

     

    • This reply was modified 5 years, 9 months ago by Cali Chica.
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    #220461
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Cali Chica:

    First recent post: eading the first part of your share, post before last, no one but a person genuinely on the path can come up with the observations and ongoing learning that you come up with. You are my only experience here reading from and communicating with a person who is relentlessly on the path, month after month and going.

    You wrote: “I always have had this feeling that if something great was happening”, you needed to share it so to make it valid, that you needed to communicate it to another person. “In thesis, the need to communicate versus sit still. What are your thoughts?”

    Back to the Disneyworld experience, simplified: There is Cali Chica the child and her mother, one mental unit. The child part of the unit is enjoying the Disneyworld happy experience. The mother part of the unit is then grabbing the attention of the child part and announces: I am miserable. Over there, people are happy. I am not.

    The child part of the unit then says: I must attend to the mother part. I cannot be happy until mother is happy.

    The focus of the child part, based on this experience and many others, becomes the mother part. The focus over time and during adulthood becomes on not only the mother, but expands to the sister and any other person. When you experience pleasure, the pleasure quickly and automatically shifts from the child part to the other, be it the mother, or any other person.

    My explanation fits the “outward focus vs inward on me” that you wrote about in the paragraph following. You wrote about other people, “they are (for the most part) more centered in their OWN lives”. Back to the Disneyworld experience, the shift in focus was born then, or about that time. It became an automatic shift in focus when you experience pleasure. When another’s pleasure is expressed to you, or the possibility of such about to happen, some excitement, it easily grabs your attention and keeps your attention.

    “It is almost like if I left myself get carried away, and be ‘natural’ my whole day may turn into talking to one person or another”- it is that automatic shift of focus when you feel pleasure and when you hear of another’s pleasure, it grabs your attention and keeps it there. It is a habit of the mind, therefore it is natural. Once formed, it is natural. It is amazing, isn’t it: if your mother had let you be, left you alone to enjoy the Disneyworld experience (that experience symbolic of many other incidents, a theme really), then that automatic shift wouldn’t have been established.

    “It’s almost to a level that a mother can’t stop thinking about her infant no matter where she is!”- this habit started when you were a child, thinking about your mother wherever she was! When we are one mental unit with our mothers, we don’t really know who is the child is and who is the adult.

    “It is more like focusing on them, versus just focusing on me!”- yes, it is.

    Second recent post: “Let’s say my husband surprises me this weekend with an anniversary trip. Well, I would be excited and happy. But, it would be hard to feel real joy”- this is because mother is not happy. You can’t be happy until your mother is happy. First got to make her happy.

    But she is not there, I know. You know. But she is there.

    “What are your thoughts? I would love to hear before I present mine… below”. I didn’t read the below yet. So far I’ve been responding to your posts part by part, as I usually do, before reading the next part, and so I didn’t read the below yet. My thoughts I already expressed here. I will add that the biological reason the shirt at Disneyworld(again a representative experience to many others) has occurred is because the survival of a child, in the child’s brain, an inborn kind of knowledge, is dependent on the well being of the mother. If the mother is unhappy, if she is distressed, the child is in danger of not having a mother at all (she may die) or having one incapable of taking care of the child.

    And now to your understanding (the part below the line):

    You wrote: “She (your mother) smashed it (the good in your life), stomped on it, and spit it out”. It felt that way, yes. More accurately I think is that there was no other life experience in her mind that mattered, except for hers. Her level of self centeredness has been extreme. There was no space in her mind for other people, other people’s feelings, their .. right to experience life differently.

    “if something great is happening, it is like I am reading it, but not feeling it”- the shift of focus is quick, you don’t stay long enough in an experience to experience it. It feels like reading it because the shift already happened. You are already someplace else as the circumstance itself is still happening.

    “this amazing day or feeling of the day quickly washes away in a second… as quickly as ever”, you wrote it yourself. The shift of focus is quick, it happens within a second, as quickly as ever.

    When a friend messages you that she had a fight with her boyfriend, the reason you “drop EVERYTHING to help her” is because the following experience has been triggered in your brain: I am in danger because my mother is in trouble. I must attend to her so that she will be okay and so that I will survive.

    As animals we are geared primarily to attend to danger. And we do “drop EVERYTHING” when perceiving danger. All animals do, they drop anything and everything they are doing when in danger.

    What is the danger to you if a friend has a fight with her boyfriend? None, of course, but the automatic triggering of the real danger perceived by you as a child was triggered and the response is the same. This all happens, like you wrote, a “function.. more out of habit and addiction”.

    You asked, “Why do you do this? Because my brain is averse to focusing on my life”. More accurately, your brain, like any animal brain, is focused on perceived danger.

    Looking forward to reading from you next.

    anita

     

     

    #220463
    Anonymous
    Guest

    * I wrote: “the pleasure quickly and automatically shifts from the child part to the other”- correction: the focus quickly and automatically shifts.

    “the biological reason the shirt at Disneyworld”- correction: the shift at Disneyworld. (There are other grammatical errors and such).

    anita

     

    #220467
    Cali Chica
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    You too are the only person in my life who understands the observations, the journey and the intricacies big and small. This is why when I write to you I am observing, processing, analyzing, and learning all at the same time. What a blessing it is to have someone to do that with. Thank you. It is the highest form of communication.

    I understand what you wrote completely. The best part of which is that there is a central theme. The quick shift of focus from myself to the other. To the mother. To the danger. I see this a direct need to relate and focus on her above all. Above myself. Always. This doesn’t change when she’s gone. Instead of her – others fill that role. But isn’t it interesting that I don’t do that for the people who actually matter? Not my husband. The fact that I am making him a priority during this journey is deliberate. If I went with natural – my focus would shift from myself (AND HIM) to people who are far less important. Why do you think that is?

    I think it may be because I consider him an extension of me, so it’s easy to “take him for granted” and push that priority to the side. More important is the focus on the other person the danger. Focusing on what’s in front of me (my own life and a loving husband) is equal to enjoying myself at Disney authentically as a child. But taking the focus away from my husband to then worry about my mom (or friend) is attending to my mother.

    #220473
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Cali Chica:

    You are welcome and thank you for being a blessing/ win in my life (that win-win motivation).

    As to your question, I will think as I type. You wrote earlier: “Let’s say my husband surprises me this weekend with an anniversary trip… a few hours later a friend texts me about the unraveling of her new love story”, you shift your focus from your and your husband’s anniversary trip to the friend’s love story. Why? My first thought: fear of messing up the anniversary, the anticipated experience with your husband. No danger of you messing up the friend’s love story, you can engage in it safely from the position of observation rather than participation.

    What do you think?

    anita

     

     

    #220481
    Cali Chica
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    I am pondering this, and it is not my fear of messing up.  In fact I “mess up” all the time without fear.  In fact I always did tend to mistreat my husband and not make him a priority as I should have before all of my awareness.

    My thought is this.  When children are raised in these environments, they do not learn self respect, self love, or self trust.  In my case, my mother not only did not teach me that, she taught me the opposite, love others, trust others, and focus on others.

    Others does not include my husband,  others includes practically everyone and everything that is not relevant or important.

    An example is my bridal shower last summer, my mother immediately went on a rant about how my aunt cancelled last minute.  It didn’t end there it turned into a meltdown of why people always do this to us. when we told her the focus should not be on the aunt but on me (the bride) it turned into a meltdown of how we are all against her and that she might as well cancel the wedding.

    one example, many themes.  Point is – look at others first.  Instantly and quickly take the focus of herself onto what others do.  Similarly on my end: my focus went from (wait did I enjoy this bridal shower?) to instantly attending to my psychotic mother.  Oh wow the bridal shower passed me by, I forgot it even happened sometimes — and the theme continues.

    I have this pattern with my husband sometimes.  I know I have many “learned” patterns from my mother.

    For example’s sake, if my husband and I are taking a walk, and he points out a buillding I will look and say oh thats nice.  If a second later a get a text (or say run into a friend) that shows me a picture of a house – I will go on and on about it.

    My friend’s conversation has precedence over my husbands.  And this could be no matter who the “other” person is.

    It’s that theme of – focus on others, not on what I have.  Focusing inward would be to appreciate what I have and what my life is (which includes my husband).  I have had this same pattern with my first boyfriend as well.  Focus on peripheral people way more than the important person in my life.  To the point of mistreating and taking the main person for granted.

    In Disney world we were taught opposite of appreciation for that moment, we were taught contempt for our moment, and focus on the moment others were having.

    My mother also taught us that the world is bad.  She taught us that we are unlucky, that people use each other.  She ironically made it a point to go out in the world and find good things (for all the wrong reasons), but at the same time, never appreciate them, and be satisfied.  Satisfaction – what is that? Contentment?

     

    #220485
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Cali Chica:

    You wrote earlier that the reason you don’t shift your focus to your husband the way you do to peripheral people in your life is because you view him as an extension of yourself. I felt when I first read it that it makes sense but I didn’t process it further. Now I am processing it just a bit (I am not very focused at the moment) and I am thinking: your husband is mellow, easy going, took it submissively when you mistreated him, his hair turned grey, you wrote, but he didn’t get angry at you, did he. So no danger there. You never mentioned fear that he will leave you or divorce you.

    If there is no danger there, there is no danger to occupy your attention.

    It is complex, there are different motivations and feelings operating at the same time, fear and anger, these two. Fear of the perceived danger of your mother collapsing into her misery and not being able to take care of you (and early, early fear) and anger at her later on,  for robbing you from feeling joy and being present at Disney World as well as during your bridal shower and wedding. That anger doesn’t stay contained to your relationship with her alone.

    Your husband as an extension of you, I would like to understand better what you mean by it.

    anita

     

    #220491
    Cali Chica
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    You wrote: ” If there is no danger there, there is no danger to occupy your attention. ”

    yes! this is definitely a large component of my mental state.  I will move away from my husband and generalize it.  My mother always made it a big point to be in awe of people who had a lot of self respect, those who stood their ground, did not “falter.” She put these people or concepts on a pedestal, and made it seem unattainable.  It was “oh look how strong they are” not like us.

    This translates like many things into diminished self-trust/validation, but more on that later.  Often times, these types were adored by me and I did feel danger.  Danger of annoying them, not being seen as worthy by them, not being able to meet their standards.  When it comes to say a boyfriend or a husband.  I am positive that if I was with a guy that reacted this way, I would have constant fear – and that would be a downward spiral.

    My current situation is that of no fear as you pointed out.  Thus my focus does not go there.  It remains on the external “fears.” Some of which may not even be fears anymore, correct? It is just that the fear based living always quickly focused my attention from me to them, so now it does even if there is nothing to fear – it is true habit.

    My husband as an extension of me…let me try to explain this.

    When I wrote this I wanted to touch upon the concept of self love, versus outward focus.  To me, for me to love and prioritize my husband I have to value him.  I was not raised to value what I have.  Therefore I was not raised to feel full in my own life.  Thus I was taught that I (and what is in my life) is not enough – there is always more out there.

    My husband is not out there.  He is with me.  He is not some “enigmatic perfect match.” If he was, or was that concept, I would obsess over it day and night.  Which I often did in my 20s – obsess over if I will find a good guy.  But when I did meet one, him, I quickly began to not value him  – and this goes along with what you wrote – it was safe, not a place of fear.  There I was onto the next focus.

    My mother was always so quick to take her own family (us) for granted no matter what.  As you wrote so long ago, all sacrifices for her were in vain.  Nothing will ever be enough.  In a way I do have that quality when it comes to my husband.  All he does was over looked because I was too busy looking elsewhere.

    My husband is not an other.  When my focus quickly shifts from my self (life) to outside of it, due to fear – he is not part of it.

    I view him innately as a given, not something that has to be nurtured, given extra care, or respected.  Just like I don’t have to give my own self that self care and love, I don’t to him.  I don’t nurture what is me and mine.  I don’t respect or protect it.  I feel quite BLIND to it.  I have moments when I will realize how lucky I am to have his unconditional love and support, and I feel quite dissociated  from feeling of true GRATEFULNESS OR APPRECIATION.  No, I do not really feel this truly.  It feels kind of like nothing, like I can say the words wow he is amazing I am so lucky, and appreciate it, etc etc – but feel they are just words.

     

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    #220497
    Cali Chica
    Participant

    Adding to the last paragraph:

    When I have had a close friend say something along the lines of “wow that’s incredible how he has dealt with all of this with your mom and all, most people would never be able to handle all of that and stand so strong and support you.” I hear this and agree, but don’t feel the emotion.

    Or if say my husband says nowadays how much it has taken a toll on him, still – I hear it and see it, but don’t really have true feeling over it.  In this case the last one, I WANT to feel sad, feel angry, feel some emotion over it.  I want to cry in despair of what my mother has done to our relationship and to my poor husband.  I want to be angry that she has beaten down such a good kind honest man.  I want to feel all of that. But I don’t.

    This is not because I do not appreciate him.  It is because I am void of that feeling.

    But how interesting I still find myself innately/naturally quick to want to attend to others, escape to communicating to others, absorb my day in the life of others.  If  I have one second in my brain it won’t go to him, it will go somewhere else naturally.

    Perhaps it will go to the place of fear, the outside world..

    I have always envied others who can focus on their own life.  Say I have a friend say, oh sorry didn’t get back to you this weekend, my husband and I needed down time.  I would think wow, so great she did that. Why don’t I do that.  Even if my husband and I are having “down” time I would have made sure to respond to her.  I wouldn’t have respected our alone time 100% I would have responded to her and conversed with her. (for examples sake)

    She didn’t in the scenario.  Why? because that protected time was for them, and them ALONE.  She respected and cultivated that.  I would not have.  I value that she did that.  I feel almost incapable of doing the same.  It is deliberate for me to focus on just us.  Perhaps because my mother made me feel that this was “selfish” and she never allowed it, because quickly my mind had to go from what was happening in my life to the place of fear, to the focus on her.  perhaps it feels uncomfortable to just focus on us, or wrong, or perhaps my mind quickly finds something else to distract itself with – something outside of me/us.

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    #220501
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Cali Chica:

    I read your recent post (and the additional one as well as any other you might want to add) but need to read it again focused. I need to understand better, when re-reading tomorrow, the concept of your husband being an extension of you. I will probably think about it on my walk today.

    Back in about sixteen hours, will re-read then and reply. Take good care of yourself and of your husband.

    anita

    #220567
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Cali Chica:

    You wrote: “there is a central theme. The quick shift of focus from myself to the other. To the mother. To the danger… my focus would shift from myself (AND HIM) to people who are far less important. Why do you think that is?”

    In your bridal shower, “my focus went from (wait did I enjoy this bridal shower?) to instantly attending to my psychotic mother”.

    “if my husband and I are taking a walk, and he points out a building, I will look and say oh that’s nice. If a second later I get a text (or say run into a friend) that shows me a picture of a house- I  will go on and on about it… My mother… put these people .. on a pedestal.. ‘oh how strong they are’ not like us… these types were adored by me and I did feel danger. Danger of annoying them, not being seen as worthy by them, not being able to meet their standards”

    “when I did meet.. him, I quickly began to not value him… it was safe, not a place of fear… I view him innately as a given, not something that has to be nurtured… I don’t nurture what is me and mine. I don’t respect or protect it. I feel quite BLIND to it. I have moments when I will realize how lucky I am to have his unconditional love and support… I do not really feel this truly.. just words… I don’t feel the emotion”.

    My answer to your question why your “focus would shift from myself (and him) to people who are far less important”:

    Two reasons operating together:

    1. Focusing on danger. Your mother was often distressed, unreliable, undependable, “psychotic”, turning against you when displeased so you focused on her. Your husband, unlike your mother, is calm, reliable, dependable, sane, consistently on your side, safe. This is why you focused on her during the bridal shower and the wedding, she was danger. All animals focus on danger.

    2. A belief was instilled in you by your mother that other people, any other people, strangers are admirable. She expressed to you repeatedly that there is us, the lonely, weak, unlucky, looked-down-upon, undesired ones and them, the social, strong, lucky, admirable, desired ones.

    Understandably, you wanted to be them. You value and adore them. You want them to accept you as one of them. You chase their approval and inclusion of you because safety is in being one of them. There is a different kind of danger here that in #1. Here the danger is being one of us, that is one with your husband, a couple. So you keep reaching out to safety, to being one of them.

    anita

     

     

    #220575
    Cali Chica
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    Amazing, this is exactly correct. I was having trouble processing this – and as you outlined, it is two fold.  There is not just one danger, the danger that is omnipresent, there are other dangers as well.

    You  wrote about two reasons operating together:

    1) “your husband, unlike your mother, is calm, reliable, dependable, sane, consistently on your side, safe.” yes this is why I do not  instinctively attend to him as I would a “dangerous” unstable being like my mother.  Yes all animals do focus on danger.

    It is interesting that now my focus is on others, when danger isn’t even present -and that is why  part 2 of your  explanation is key – this is the part that missing in my understanding yesterday.

    2) You chase their approval and inclusion of you because safety is in being one of them.

    Yes safety is being THEM.  THEM does not include myself, my husband, sister, people closest to me.  No, it includes others.  In regards to my husband – I think this is what I was trying to get at when I said he is an extension of me.  Because there is US and there is THEM.

    Yes Anita, when I prioritize JUST him and I. I feel fear.  I feel that something is missing, that I should be doing more.  This is because I feel that SAFETY is being them – not just US (husband and I).  SAFETY is focusing on THEM (not just us).

    I think with time, when I actively and deliberately make efforts to not compulsively seek THEM out, I will learn that SAFETY is HERE.  In fact is ONLY truly HERE  (with us – him and I).  Do you agree?

    This is something I know in my mind as the correct theory – but not in my neuropathways – not in my innate state.

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    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Cali Chica:

    Since there is something new in your understanding today, it will take time to settle. Yes, you will have to deal with the compulsion to “seek THEM out”. Slowly, gradually, you will challenge this false core belief that safety is with strangers out there and abandon it.

    (No wonder you believed it, not only was it your mother who said so but there was no safety in the family unit with her. So it was tempting to believe indeed that safety is someplace, and so there is hope for safety.. over there,  with those people.

    anita

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    Cali Chica
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    I will let the following sink and savor.  Thank you for enlightening my understanding of this:

    • Slowly, gradually, you will challenge this false core belief that safety is with strangers out there and abandon it.
    •  there was no safety in the family unit with her. So it was tempting to believe indeed that safety is someplace, over there,  with those people.
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