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  • #190319
    Anonymous
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    ear Cali Chica:

    I thought about ideas after posting to you yesterday, on my walk. I have ideas and thoughts:

    1. The issue of Responsibility: You have responsibility for your patients because you chose to become a medical doctor and you choose to work as such every day that you do. You have responsibility for your husband because you chose to marry him, and you continue to choose to be his wife every day that you do.  You have responsibility for your future children because you will be choosing, if you will, to bring them into this world.

    You are not responsible for the people you did not choose to have in your life, such as your parents.

    2. Do not accommodate anyone’s dysfunction- that is not helping another, that is … perpetuating dysfunction, helping the dysfunction to continue and spread to more and more people.

    Think of making the world a better place, see the bigger picture. Your value should be not in providing temporary relief to people who promote and spread suffering. When you do that, you give them the relief they need to keep promoting and spreading suffering.

    Turn away from the tradition of abuse, turn toward well-being.

    3. Everyone suffers. Your mother’s suffering in the past, whenever she may suffer, is not different from anyone else’s suffering. It is her responsibility, always has been, to not pass on her suffering to others.

    She is not responsible that way. Don’t contribute to her irresponsibility.

    It is possible to not inflict one’s suffering on another. There are people who practice this.

    4. A law of physics: for every action there is am equal and opposite reaction. Every time you choose to avail yourself to being hurt by another, to be used and misused, you are also choosing to hurt yet another person, to use and abuse another.

    When hurt we naturally feel angry and that anger brings about that “equal and opposite reaction”, that is the abuse of another.

    When you do not avail yourself to being abused, you also prevent abusing another. And so, back to responsibility, you are responsible to not avail yourself to abuse, not only for your own sake, but for the well being of others.

    anita

    #190369
    Cali Chica
    Participant

    Thank you Anita, I just landed after 5 hour flight and I had not read your above post.  What I did do was write out what came to mind and reflect on some old posts between us. Here it is what I wrote on the plane. I will then reflect on your above post and write based on that tomorrow. I do wish to continue to write on this while I’m away as it will be a good daily reflection.

    Dear family,

    You say: Go Have fun. Don’t worry – but I dunno how I’m going to be. But don’t worry about me- sniffle.

    So what you did and continue to do-It worked before my whole life because I would naturally do what you said. Of course it worked. Didn’t have to be told. But what about when I saw the truth. When I saw it was perjury. That it was wrong.

    I’m here all alone, so don’t worry about me have fun. Don’t worry I’ll just be standing here all alone, but make sure YOU Have fun.

    Don’t worry everything is fine. Just keep checking in on us incessantly so that you can not relax for one second.

    I want to run I want to escape. I wanna go to a mountain and throw my phone and scream and say take care of yourself. You’re Alive. You’re a human just like me. I am not more capable- of caring for you.

    I suffer. I have pain. I can’t sleep. I die inside everyday but I rise above because I am super. More super than anyone. But only because I don’t know how not to be. Not because I am superior. I don’t know any other way – I don’t know how to be un-super. I don’t know how to be aloof boring uninterested unconcerned. I want to not care (sometimes). I want to shrug my shoulders sometimes. I want to say I don’t know and I don’t care. I know why I always have something to say and always have an opinion, it’s not just because I’m mirroring My mothers narcissism. It’s because I have had to -I had no choice. What do you think about this? What should we do about that? What to do in this scenario?Save us. Save us. We are drowning save us. Of course I always have an answer. If not me, then who had it for you?

    Well you never learned to swim. You never even jumped in to swim, nor got lessons. And now I’m the lifeguard. I’m your lifeguard.

    I want to emancipate. I want to fly. I want to feel light. I want to jump and fly. Well I don’t even know if I want it (because what does it feel like?). But I know I can’t go on like this anymore.

    You think it’s benign and innocent what you do. Look at me with your stupid sad eyes. Save me, I’m helpless.
    Well it’s not innocent – its a curse. It’s a burden. Yes you’re a burden. You’re a drag.

    I thought to myself what if I just stop. You won’t die. You’ll be angry and more “alone” in your head. But I am not the oxygen that you need. I am me.

    You think you aren’t self centered. How can someone be self centered when they suffer? What a concept!
    Well because if all you’ve ever known is how to play victim, it is truly only about you. That by nature is self centered. After a while the role gets old and draining. After a while no one wants to listen and people stop feeling bad. You’re just pathetic after a while.
    So yes you are self centered. But more so-you are abusive to me as a result.
    No I don’t want you to explain how you feel to me for trillionth time.
    For, my whole life consists of trying to understand you. I frankly know how you feel. Because you feel insane, because you are insane. Doing the same thing over and over expecting different results – insane.
    So understanding insanity does not lead to any enlightenment for me. I choose not to “understand” it. For, attempting to has only brought me to insanity.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    #190429
    Anonymous
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    Dear Cali Chica:

    What a powerful writing. I will quote part and then comment:

    “I die inside everyday but I rise above because I am super. More super than anyone… I don’t know any other way- I don’t know how to be u-super… It’s because I have had to- I had no choice….Save us. Save us. We are drowning save us. Of course I always have an answer. If not me, then who had it for you?

    Well, you never learned to swim…And now I’m the lifeguard. I’m your lifeguard”

    My comment: the child that you were did not have the education you now have, no point of reference, no  way to consider and evaluate what you were told by your parents. You automatically and immediately believed what you were told. You still do although you are starting to doubt it.

    Here is what you were told by your parents in so many ways: we need you to  survive, without you we will drown. Be super, be our lifeguard, or else we will die.

    And so, this core belief was formed in your brain: my parents need me to survive, without me they will drown. I must be super, be their lifeguard, or else they will die.

    What they told you was not true. What you believe is not true. It is a delusion, a false belief.

    Ever since you came into your parents’ lives, them being adults, they never needed you to survive. They were never drowning and you never saved them. They still don’t need you. They are still not drowning (not beyond aging and being vulnerable to illness as all people are).

    They don’t need you. They never needed you.

    It only feels this way to you, that they needed you and need you.

    The truth is that you needed them, this is why you bend backward to save them, in your mind. It is because you needed them, and desperately needed them.

    You wrote: “I want to emancipate. I want to fly. I want to feel light….It’s a burden. Yes, you’re a burden”- to free yourself from this burden, you will have to correct your core belief, your delusion.

    And you will have to give up the benefit you experienced, that feeling of value based on that delusion, that indeed you are super, a superhuman. There is a benefit to it, a feeling of… well, power. Correcting your delusion would require humility, stepping off the assumed position of power that you don’t have.

    You wrote: “if I just stop. You won’t die.”- I agree.

    You also wrote: “if I just stop… You’ll be angry and more ‘alone’ in your head.”- I disagree. They will tell you that, but it will not be the truth. They will not be more alone.

    It is you who will be more alone, that is, feeling not needed by them, not of value. It is you who will be sad for having invested so much in helping the people who never needed your help.

    There is a great benefit to you in correcting your delusion, but there is also a price to pay: the loss of perceived power, the power you never had over their lives, and still don’t.

    With you and without you in their lives, they will be just the same.

    anita

    #190431
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Cali Chica:

    If your mother needed you many years ago, why did she look elsewhere that day in Disneyworld, for what she needed. Why did she point to other families, bigger families?

    If it was you who she needed, she would have looked at you that day and smiled, pleased, feeling that she had all she needed right there, in you.

    If your mother needed you a few days ago when you talked to her on the phone, as she and your father were heading to the hospital, she would have been pleased to hear your voice, to hear your words. She would have been comforted. Not as comforted perhaps as she would have been if your person was physically present there with her, but pleased nonetheless.

    She would have been gracious with you on the phone, saying something like: Cali Chica, I am so glad you called. I feel so much better, thank you, thank you for calling!

    anita

    #190489
    Cali Chica
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    You are right she doesn’t need me, I think that I was thinking about the term need in a false sense. When you think about need you think of a child that needs his mother for love compassion and nutrition. When I think about need I think about Bodhi who needs me for his ability to survive on a daily basis. Although this may be a primitive need it is still quite Omnipresent in our society today of course.

    When I think about my mother and I think about what you said, she doesn’t need me and in fact when she states she does and I fulfill this ever so elusive “need” of hers it is never enough.

    She needed me to find the perfect guy so that she could fill this checklist in her brain and show off to society how perfect her daughter is. When I found this person, she THEN needed him to fulfill her every wish and desire She had. Then she NEEDED to have his family mold to her every want and need. When she communicated with them and collaborated with them, she THEN needed them to be something totally different and needed them to pretty much disappear from my life.
    I see the pattern the need may seem like it’s always there but it is ever-changing so it is not a need at all. I don’t know what I would call it but it is almost like this empty bottomless pit that she wants to have filled but given that it has no bottom – it will never be filled it will never be full it will never be complete it will always be empty. In fact the more that you try to throw things down into this abyss – it just creates garbage on the other and accumulating in no substantial fashion and it hurts the minds and bodies of those attempting to throw any sustenance down there.

    The concept of that I actually need them is new to me. And I will reflect on this. Yes so much of my role has been of this power. But to be quite honest I may have thought of this as a sense of pride in prior years but now I look at it as a sense of shame. I look at others who do not have to hold this super power strength or what have you, and I think that I would rather just be simple and have none of this burden. I know that they will kick and scream when I try to take this power away. They already do if they even sense me rescinding just a little bit like prior to the wedding. they kick and scream and cry and make threats- make threats that their physical health is failing -make threats to cut me off just to then stalk me. Threaten to badmouth me to their family members but then try to get their family members to convince me how great they are. This was just one they sensed a slight disconnect not even a full disconnection from them.

    For they come to me with anything and everything like drowning children they are 5 feet deep in the water And they look at me and say what should I do?!! and I instantly say well cut off the anchor that is tying you down 5 feet under and making you drown. then you will rise to the top and be able to breathe.
    They say OK that’s a good idea. And proceed just to do it again.
    Now I think why did I have to tell them that is what one should do?! Why should anyone have to tell them? For what reason. To accommodate the same cycles of distress over and over. The more I allow indecency the more I become indecent.

    What resonated with me the most is you saying about for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. This is so incredibly true and I reflected on all the times that this happens in my life in huge ways and on a daily basis. For example before I got onto my flight my mother called to tell me that my father was OK and that will he will be discharged home from the hospital. She then went on to ask some questions about my trip, but her mind was elsewhere of course she truly didn’t care what I had to say. She then had instant word vomit: “OK well that all sounds good but make sure you call me every day, have fun and relax and don’t worry about us but be sure to check in.” And when you return let’s plan for you to have a visit. Oh and make sure you follow up on that job interview that’s close to our home, your father and I were discussing and think that’s the best option for you. But of course you decide. “

    Therefore saying that I will incessantly suffocate you while you are on this trip with my endless desire for you to be in contact with me. And am waiting for the chance to pounce on you when you return.

    I took this in and I turned off the phone and I went onto the plane, I wrote the above post because that is what came to me. Naturally I would have listened to her, she loves having pictures and updates when we are away, she thrives for the stuff. But I don’t want to and I didn’t need to. I don’t want to call her every day and check in and tell her how much fun I’m having because by sharing with her I have less fun. That may sound very simplistic but it is so true and so innate.
    Part of this vacation is for me to mentally detach and how —by trying to continue to reinforce this Umbilical cord that you have attached to me over and over with 1 million sutures how will that allow me any freedom.

    Going back to your saying about every action and reaction. It would also have been natural for me to tell my husband hey my father is doing well why don’t you give him a call and check in with them they will like that. And of course in many families this would be normal -an elder has a procedure or surgery and the daughter and son in law check in. Sure.

    Sure. But, this is not a normal situation and what it is – is reality and horrific. Sure is my husband capable of making a five or 10 minute phone call? Yes. But I no longer want to live based on what we are capable of, I want to live based on what we WANT to do.

    If I had told him to do this he would have easily (despite all the abuse from them over the last year to me and directly to him and his parents). but then after he got off the phone he would’ve also had a deep sense of feeling of creepiness the same that I do, of them constantly trying to drag us down: hello thanks for checking in have a fun trip make sure you call us make sure you visit after make sure you don’t move far away make sure this make sure that make sure us us us us us.

    All for what? To fulfill our duties as children. Of course, but what is that duty when it is abuse? what is that duty when just two days ago when I called you pretty much cursed me to the gods but then now think that everything is OK. My father tells me after the procedure that my mother was emotional and that she may say things like that but I should listen to her kindly in moments of distress, I should not talk back to her when she says such things to me because she is stressed out, she doesn’t mean them. I should learn to listen and only talk to her with a kind and nice voice because she is my mother after all, and she has done so much for me.

    Sure. So I take disrespect as a duty? Because you gave birth to me so as a result I must endure. Thanks for letting Me know. I’ll be sure to adjust accordingly. At your service my dear parents.

    Nope…

    #190491
    Cali Chica
    Participant

    So I will continue because this just came to my mind after I posted above. I am alone with my thoughts today in a wonderful environment so I am allowing them to flourish, as I do not have to give myself constraint of having to be somewhere else. I will let my mind flourish and I will let a lot of these repressed feelings come out as they wish.

    So knowing all the above, what would make me want to reach out to them? If I put it simply what would make me do what I always do —check in with her on vacation/continue the normal sense of contact.

    Maybe a sense of guilt, a sense of deep horrific fear that if I do not keep in touch with her for the next 10 days or so she will have a meltdown when I return, and in order to avoid that it’s good to just do the bare minimum and check in? This is the natural way that I have been prone to thinking over the last year or so when her abuse has become pretty bad. But if I truly think about it and especially look at some of the text messages that have been quite abusive over the last year.
    Were any of my actions preventative?
    Every time I tried to do something or the bare minimum just to avoid some horrifying meltdown after, didn’t she just go on and have a horrifying melt down anyway! Nothing I did matter. The result was always the same!

    So the thesis is that no matter what I do or don’t do, what I say or don’t say, who I’m with or not with, what I feel or don’t feel —she will always be the same. she will continue to go up and down, curse me then cry to me, be happy ,be miserable, feel like she’s losing her mind, be ecstatic with glee —all of which has nothing at all to do with my actions.
    Maybe I am small minded to think that I still have any Role in this.
    By accommodating her and giving into such things such as contact and keeping in touch during vacation (or anything at all) I still feed the beast and allow it to be quelled at least momentarily (or so I think!).
    By thinking that – I essentially feel that I may have some power to prevent this beast from becoming a monster.
    But this beast is by nature a monster! whether you feed it or whether you let it starve whether you tranquilize it for a day or provoke it it is all the same. The monster is a monster at the end of the day. Now and forever.

    Many would think that I would already have a deep understanding of this. Prior to my husband proposing to me about two years ago, my parents threw so many tantrums and caused me so many issues that I had severe physical symptoms that I have explained to you before. My dear husband finally managed to pull off a fantastic proposal that was above and beyond any girls expectation or dreams. It was truly special, however 24 hours after it – when we been celebrated with friends and family back home, she created another enormous tantrum and took away any ounce of happiness that I might have gained from all that he planned for me. A very special moment in a young woman’s life instantly squashed.

    I was in tears from that moment for a week straight going back to the same physical symptoms again. Yup back to the terror instantly! Something that should be someone’s happiest time, was instantly removed from me and once again miserable and terrible and torturing. The next time I saw my fiancé after that proposal was a few days later, and I was in so many tears that I was uncontrollable and hysterical. The look of sadness on his face I could never forget, he said that —we went through so much just so that we can finally get engaged and I did it! I pulled it off magically and I wanted you to be the happiest girl in the world. and it did! It went perfectly and now what?!! I feel truly an utterly defeated I just don’t know what to do anymore. I have nothing left. “. Those were his words. Something died in him that day, and it has never come back.

    You would think that that would’ve been a pivotal moment for me. You would think that that would make me say you know what enough is enough even after all that torture we finally got to this pinnacle milestone for us -that made everyone happy, me, you, my parents your parents —but she still had something wrong she still found a way to torture us she still found a way to take any ounce of joy from everything. I will no longer let her have that power over me and over us.

    But I didn’t.

    I succumbed. I allowed her indecency to then make me indecent. to make me then also a negative abuser of my husband. My husband was defeated that day and lost apart of him, and then I continued to beat him down. My mom was angry so then I was angry and projecting onto him. Each action had an equal reaction onto another.
    We fast forward now two years later after going through so much with the wedding planning of the wedding itself.
    And I am sitting here today with my thoughts to myself, and it is still difficult for me to let it all sink in. I understand like you said that it is very difficult especially the relationship between a mother and child, to truly admit to yourself wow all this truly means that my mother does not love me for she is really not capable of love. I do believe that my mom is a sociopath and she is unable to have any true feelings of love for another person, I do believe that someone like her should never have had a child, and I also do believe that just because that she has given birth to me -it is not my birthright to automatically be a victim of abuse.

    But still it is hard for me to have that “ah ha” moment and just say nope no more – it ends right now. Completely.

    #190493
    Cali Chica
    Participant

    When I think about my dog who I’m very close to and as I have written has very much many human characteristics, he is a smart breed and is emotional and reflective.
    When I think about him, I think of him as an individual entity. Yes he was born to a family but his thriving in his livelihood is only dependent on who he is in himself right now and in the environment that he is in. If he has a negative experience with me then he will then have a negative daily life. If he has a positive and exuberant experience with me or any caretaker he then has a better life. To me this shows the difference between nature versus nurture. Of course he does not even remember his mother. And of course he is a dog. But regardless…

    But what if I said to Bodhi: yes you live with me but you have a real mother. You are one years old you’re old enough to understand that you live here but your poor mother lives in a shelter in another town. You have a great life here you go to the dog park every day you have a lot of friends you have a very full life. But you came from your mother, and your mother is in a shelter. So now because her life is not as great as yours you will make time every day to attend to her. I will go on daily visits to her to make her feel better. He will say to me: well why, I am happy here and everything is fine so why must I go out of my day, my happy routine just to do that.

    I will answer innately and say well because she is your mother. He will then say OK so because she is my mother I then have to take out two hours every day in which I would be happy just to go there to make her think that I am there for her? just to sit there and watch her so that she feels loved? I will say yes because that is what children do.

    And then I will ask myself -OK if he does spend this time going there – will his mother be happy? Will she ever get out of the shelter because of his small daily visits, nope. Her getting out of the shelter takes many actions beyond that of his visits, and his efforts can not contribute to thad. Did she gain happiness and validation and emancipation because of his 1 to 2 hour visits to her every day. Nope. But you know what does happen because of those visits?

    What happens is that Bodhi was once happy and lively and carefree, the happiest dog in the world, and he is now bogged down and burdened. When he wakes up in the morning I see a sense of despair in his eyes because he knows there any fun that he will have over the afternoon will only be short-lived because he then has to go fulfill his duty at this negative shelter, which is becoming a traumatic experience for him. Sooner or later over the next year or so, this will become a routine for him and so even the things that he once used to enjoy —such as playing ball or meeting his friends —will no longer have the same joy or value. For everything will be tainted because of this burdensome role he has. It will soon be all encompassing emotionally.

    And all for what?

    • This reply was modified 6 years, 3 months ago by Cali Chica.
    #190569
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Cali Chica:

    After writing to you yesterday I realized I made a mistake when I wrote to you that your parents (I see your mother as  the  dominant parent) communicated to  you that  they need  you to survive. I think your mother communicated to you something like: I am suffering, I am drowning, I am weak, I may be  dying.

    The  core belief:  they need me  to survive, without me they will drown, I must be super, be their lifeguard or else they will die, that was your conclusion and proposed solution to  the situation. You took it upon yourself, as children so often do, to rescue the parents so that they will be able to survive so.. that you will be able to survive.

    Point is, they, neither your mother nor  your father saw the little girl Cali  Chica as a lifeguard. Neither one saw you as their rescue. They still don’t.

    You wrote: “the thesis is that  no matter  what I do or don’t do, what I say or don’t say… she will always be the same. She  will continue to go up and down, curse me then cry to me, be happy, be miserable, feel like she’s losing her  mind, be ecstatic with glee- all of which has  nothing at all to do with my actions”-

    I believe  it is true, and will add  to  the last sentence above: … all of which has nothing at all to do with who Cali Chica is.  They don’t value you as a person but as a  mean to an end, the  end being relieving themselves of distress when they are distressed, and providing moments of ecstasy and glee when in need  of such.

    The law of action means, again, that every time you avail yourself to being used  and abused by your parents, you choose to use and abuse another, yourself and other people.

    I remember hearing the following a long time ago: we are not born to our mother/parents, we are  born through them, that  is, we  don’t belong to them, not their property to do with us as they please. It makes sense. After all, the mother has sex and  gives birth, she did  not design the fetus, oversaw the process of the zygote developing to a human being. She only had sex and well, then she had  to give birth, the baby had to exit, she didn’t choose that part  either. Who you are has a lot more to  do with nature, evolution, something way, way  bigger than this particular woman and that particular man.

    Bottom line, your parents do not value  you as a person. They value you as a thing to use and  abuse: Distressed? Dump the distress into that thing. Miserable? Call the thing and share it, transfer it. Angry? Blame the  thing, make the thing feel bad. Need  a pick up, a  moment of ecstasy and glee? Have the  thing do this and  that to bring that about.

    If Bodhi’s mother in the shelter  was a good mother, that is, did  not use  and  abuse Bodhi, but showed  him affection, Bodhi himself  would  have loved to  visit her. He would have been motivated to spend time  with her. And  she  would not have demanded that he visits.

    As a child you don’t have any experience but the one you have. Imagine, now, an experience that you could have had but didn’t. That  of having  parents who were kind  to you, who didn’t use you or abuse you, parents who valued you as a person. Think how that would have looked like, sounded like. If that was the  case, you would  have loved  to check in with them, to share good experiences with them. You would have been motivated to do so, enjoying their company in person and on the phone as much as they would have enjoyed yours.

    anita

     

    #190869
    Cali Chica
    Participant

    Dear Anita,
    “You took it upon yourself, as children so often do, to rescue the parents so that they will be able to survive so.. that you will be able to survive. Point is, they, neither your mother nor your father saw the little girl Cali Chica as a lifeguard. Neither one saw you as their rescue. They still don’t.”

    Yes I did take it upon myself. And I still do. And yes, they do not see me as a lifeguard. They never did. And never will. In fact they don’t see ME.

    “They don’t value you as a person but as a mean to an end“

    This is so apparent in even the smallest ways. Before I came on this trip a few weeks ago (we are With 2 other couples, 6 people) my mom had asked who is going and what we will do. I had mentioned that it is a ski trip, but I will likely do yoga and relax during the day. She states oh yes skiing, other people liek your friends enjoy that.
    No understanding that my husband himself is a huge ski lover, and I have enjoyed it since trying it too. She only sees herself. (WE) don’t ski. Not me. But her. She doesn’t know where she ends and I begin.
    It was Infuriating during the wedding planning time (and mind you these details about wedding decor/ideas I could care less about- more the concepts). She would always interject if someone was asking: what color? Or what food? She would quickly say oh we don’t like that, we prefer this. Often I would look at her and say well that’s not true. YOU don’t like that. I and my HUSBAND do. She would not let this process for even a second (incapable of even allowing it to absorb). She would quickly deflect and say oh well I just thought this. Or make a silly statement.

    It happened so many times that it was so apparent to me (and my husband) that she is living life thinking I and others around her are puppets to get to her master decision/plan/outcome.
    Funny thing is – if and when we do get there….It’s like it doesn’t even matter. For she is now onto the next thing. What an exhaustive way to live. Not for her. But for those around her. ME.

    She doesn’t value me as a person, just a means to an end. Someone to make herself feel better about if she is feeling low. Someone to show off about if she feels Inadequate. And someone to put down when she wants to project misery.
    Never to think what does calichica want? Well OF COURSE she wants X. That’s how she was raised.
    And if she doesn’t want X anymore. It must be because someone brainwashed her to not want it. (Someone like her husband) because the daughter I know would always want and love X.

    I had difficulty with this concept about a year ago because I believed her. I too thought, yes wow have u changed and become brainwashed? Do I no longer value things that I was raised to value. Oh no am I CHANGING?!!

    Now I see:
    1) I sometimes don’t even know what I truly want because it is so tainted by her voice and her lack of differentiation between her and I.
    2) and so be it! Say I did Change and so did my preferences. I am allowed to. I can grow. And this isn’t a slap in her face. Growing and changing is beauty and life, it is not a direct disrespect on another (especially not a parent like her). How dare she try to inhibit my growth and make me feel guilty for growing in directions she can no longer understand or fathom. In directions that don’t SERVE her.

    #190875
    Cali Chica
    Participant

    I have been onthis trip for only a few days. But I have not reached out to anyone in my family. Including my sister. She is on a mini trip herself. Before I left I did worry for her safety. She has been so up and down that I worried would she be safe in this trip. What if she had a breakdown or an anxiety attack, or felt like no one was there to suppor her.

    I expressed this to her and told her I needed space but to reach out to me in case Of need of course.

    I am proud for allowing myself space. You know what’s funny Anita- it’s only been 3 DAYS! And still I feel wow I took space away from them, I usually communicate with especially my sister all day everyday feels odd and slightly guilty.
    But then I instantly check in with myself.

    I have slept well, I have enjoyed the company in front of me instead of having my head elsewhere (worrying about sister or mom) I am able to enjoy food, conversation, and nature without trying to be constantly OVER-connected with someone thousands miles away.

    And for that I am glad. I am not guilty I am glad I am capable even for this small amount of time. I haven’t had as many headaches. I can do a whole yoga class without feeling a need to check my phone. And I can listen. I can listen to my friend tell me about her marriage without feeling the need to interject about my own issues. The reason being that I am not inundated with issues and sorrows 24/7.

    If in only 3 days I am able to see some benefit. Imagine the idea of long term boundaries. Not to say I’ll cut myself off from my sister for life. Of course not. But the idea that I can self preserve. I can listen to my limitations and say okay it’s been enough I need some mental solace.
    Also having enough self reliance to know the actions I take are valid and important.

    I used to think this: well I used to act like that. I used to be like my sister somewhat. So I owe it to her to be there at every whim. I see now, especially with your posts. That this is only accommodating distress (and small relief from distress in cycles to just go back). That is for her and for me.

    I see now that confidence and not giving in is not the “hardened” or apathetic road. But often the wiser and more stable road. It allows growth for the other person as well as ones self. It allows space for healing, growth, and self reliance.

    The analogy that comes to mind Is a patient that is admitted for a week.
    A doctor that
    1) checks in incessantly every hour asking so how do you feel now? Better? Worse? Different? The patient is hardly able to wrap their brain around these concepts.
    2) a doctor that checks in 1-2 times daily. In between periods when the patient can rest, eat, rejuvenate on their own.

    I much prefer being the second physician. But when it is your own family it is hard to “trust” the patient will be okay on an hourly basis and thus the impulse to check in 10 times a day instead of 2. But given that any learned physician knows that over time techniques are based on trial and error. He/she will then see. Sure it is hard to “trust” and not worry – but checking in more often does not lead to better clinical results. Thus it is important to go by evidence and refrain from the impulsive drive to check in constantly (given that it is of no benefit, And perhaps is likely an impediment to healing)

    #190879
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Cali Chica:

    You wrote that she doesn’t know where she ends and where you begin. I think that in her mind … she never ends. There is no one else but her in her world.

    She doesn’t see you or anyone else. She has no empathy for you, therefore, nor for anyone else.

    She doesn’t see you. She doesn’t consider how you feel… is this a person worthy of your time, of your energy? Is this a person to try and please… promote that self absorption, feed it more.

    Your mother is very similar to mine, both being extreme cases of self absorption.

    anita

    #190881
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Cali Chica:

    Double posting. Regarding your recent post that starts with “I have been on this trip..”- good evidence in your experience in this trip of what is best for you. And what is best for you is either beneficial to others (I am thinking there is a chance it will benefit your sister), or not harmful to others (your mother will be just as she has always been, doing what is right for you will not harm her or your father).

    Regarding your sister, when she has her breakdowns, she exaggerates her distress to you, as she has done here. It is not something she does with full awareness. It is her way to get attention and a temporary comfort in getting that concerned attention. There is truth to her distress, of course, but she exaggerates it and escalates it as she exaggerates it.

    When you respond to her the way you had, and the way I had before I understood this, you promote her distress, you encourage her escalating her felt distress in the quest for that sought attention.

    anita

    #190887
    Cali Chica
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    Yes it is good evidence. It will either help (be beneficial) or not hurt. I know this. And of course I need to be stable and centered in order to be a good support to others.

    Your point about the exaggeration is so true. I don’t feel I ever allowed myself to see this. As I would hear the mother voice: why do you think she is exaggerating, what- so you haven’t ever felt like that?! So when you acted that way we didn’t say you’re exaggerating and now your poor sister struggles and That’s your response?!

    not to say that my mother would actually say this in regards to my sister. But she would surely in regards to herself. Because : she never ends.

     

    absolutely. If it’s a wedding it’s about her. Future grandchildren about her. If my father is sick it’s about her (well if he’s gone I’m all alone).  An extreme level of self absorption that is done in such a “woe is me” self deprecating sort of way that it may trick someone. For it is not in the classic entitled self absorbed woman (think- queen like narcissist who thinks the world revolves around her). My mother is exactly that person and actually worse. She isn’t just the “diva” that thinks the world of herself, she takes it miles beyond and also the “sad soul” that needs saving. Using either persona on a given day depending on the response she needs. Superior in one breath, helpless in another. Almighty in one sentence, victim in the next.

    And exaggeration is a key point. I notice the similarity between her and my sister in that: they will go to great lengths to show the severity of their situation. And as soon as you (I) absorb it and reflect on it and say wow that is terrible I do understand – they immediately snap back to superiority and defense mode:

    ”oh well it’s not that bad. Oh it’s not like I’m the only one who deals with this, anyone in my shoes would. Oh what you haven’t felt the same, you don’t understand”

    Hook and bait.  Then self imposed importance  defensiveness

     

    #190891
    Cali Chica
    Participant

    Sorry – double post again! More comes to mind after I press submit sometimes!

    The word that came to mind after I posted above is: enabling.

    I, too, have come across individuals in My own life that enabled the distress cycles (similar to my sister in a way) and those who did not stand for it. I look back and see that those that did not accommodate it were themselves mentally in a place to have this stance.

    The one individual who comes to mind that did enable this behavior (and I, his) as a result – was struggling in his own way. He felt he should enable me (subconsciously) as a form of support. For that’s what he knew. “I should be there for her when she feels like this, because I feel like that a lot too. And so I get it”

    Of course nothing good came of this. And I soon saw this from afar and stopped the whole relationship in its tracks.

    Now I see that I do this with my mom and sister. In different ways but similar.
    Actions based on “oh well I can relate so I need to allow her to express and be, I shouldn’t be harsh”. Or actions based on “well who am I to put my foot down and not accommodate it – for it’s not like I’m so above And enlightened. “

    None of these thought processes are healthy for myself or the other. And in fact – the fact that I do reflect this way, work on self development and boundaries does mean and show me that I don’t “have to” enable and accommodate such behavior just for the sake of “being supportive” as it’s not supportive at all.

    I notice this with friends too. Of course on a smaller scale. It goes back to the feeling of the “job” must be present, available, always there. Since I have taken a step away from this role over the last month – I did have spurs of guilt (why should I be someone who isn’t there or responsive). But when I get past this and focus on using this feeling as an example (like above post of having space). I know that “being there” in the way I think I “should” is going just based on habit and preconceived ideas of what support is. It is also going based on guilt and almost a feeling of indebtedness towards others (family or friends). This of course deep rooted in me from the mother voice.

    Taking an active stance away from that, and allowing the actual feelings in that moment to seep in has not been necessarily innate or second nature – but a great practice thus far.

    #190895
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Cali Chica:

    I can see that there is a lot to your first most recent post that I want to attend to. I started to read your most recent post (the one ending with “a great practice thus far”), but am too tired to focus well enough. Will be back in about sixteen hours or so to re-read the last two posts (any other that may follow) and will reply then.

    anita

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