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  • #432447
    anita
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    Dear Dave:

    You are welcome and thank you for the good wishes at the end of your post.

    “I have now lived in a much smaller house (like tiny) for nearly 11 months… our 3 children are my joint responsibility and I have them 3/4 days a week… My new home has enough space etc. to work for me and the kids, but it is smaller than the family home”- oh, when you wrote “tiny” earlier, I thought that it meant that there wasn’t enough space for the kids.

    it just feels really unfair and costing me a fortune every month“- I’d say that this is something for you to discuss with your divorce attorney, if you have one, or to discuss with your ex, if you don’t have an attorney.

    I did start of with walking for longer distances… I don’t typically experience any issue with my knee“- good thing, just keep in mind that brisk walking is an option. good to read back from you, Dave, and I hope to read from you again!

    anita

    #435079
    Dave
    Participant

    Hello again,

     

    I’m looking for some help and advice again here… Things are and have been continuing to go well for me in my new way of life.

     

    I recently ended my Irish fling as it felt like I was starting to catch feelings that I’m just not quite ready for and the logistics of that becoming something more would be very difficult if I allowed it to continue.

    It has been 14 months since I separated from my wife and we have remained pretty close but from a distance still – we still co-parent really well and she knows I am a good father who is hands on as I know she is the same and that just works.

    Is it wrong that I still continue to feel like there could be something still there between my ex and I??? I can’t help feeling that we have both spent a large amount of time alone and I can still see she looks at me a certain way and I her, I try not to but there has been so much history between us… As I say I cant help feeling that I should put the question to her about wanted to see if we could go on a date together to understand if there is a chance – I feel very strange about it all for the first time recently and I don’t really know what to do. On one hand I am so happy with my life right now and have rediscovered what I had lost during our marriage, but having been on dates and met other woman none are quite the same as her and it has me thinking and confused… Do I risk asking her out again? If i do and she says no, then nothing has really changed i guess… I would never want to rekindle what was already broken, but I do think I could start again and see if we still feel the same way about each other and ultimately is there something still there where we could be together and happy again. It’s a weird thing to feel and I haven’t really got anyone I fully trust who doesn’t already know her to ask?? Any advice welcome

    Dave

    #435094
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Dave:

    Another update, 2 months and 10 days since the last one, and almost 1.5 years since your very first post (Jan 24, 2023). Good to read from you again!

    After 14 years of marriage and three kids (2 preteens and a 3-year-old),  back in Jan 2023,  the relationship with your wife was unhappy and you were sleeping on the sofa. She told you that the two of you are “just too different”, that she “feels trapped“, and she complained that you were “lazy, sarcastic, unmotivated and show a general lack of initiative“. On Feb 7, 2023, the two of you attended your 1st couples counseling session. It was a good session and the morning after (you still sleeping on the sofa), she wanted to cuddle with you, and you felt somewhat optimistic. On Feb 14, 2023, the two of you had your 2nd couple counseling session where your wife complained that you were “negative, defensive and letting her lead on everything“, that you were “constantly around as opposed to having our own things going on“. You complained about the lack of intimacy, and you shared that you were “in a constant state of feeling out of control and emotional about our situation“, not knowing if “she either wants to try and work with me or make a decision to part ways”.

    Four months later, on June 15, 2023, you posted a 4-month update: in early March 2023, while still living in the same house with your wife, you stayed the night at a friend’s house following having had too much to drink, and you lied to your wife about where you stayed that night. She found out, and “coupled with the fact she thinks we have nothing in common… and effectively (I) behave like a 4th child in the house – this is all too much for her, and she wants to end the relationship“. Following that early March incident and confrontation, the two of you were “separated and living apart amicably“.

    On June 19, 2023, you shared: “The main problem is she no longer trusts or respects me, and for that reason cannot see a future in our relationship“.

    On July 3rd, 2023, you shared that when living with her, you felt that she was your superior: “I have been pretending that I am her equal when mentally I still feel inferior and I need to dig into that“. You believed at the time that “moving into my own place and setting up a separate life… I feel I will start to  work out more who I am and what I want…  I have to discover the real me…  to be at peace with who I am and what I stand for“. You were about to start individual counseling at the time and “embrace a voyage of self discovery“.

    Five months later, on Dec 4, 2023, you posted another update: a couple of months or so after moving out, the two of you “enjoyed some time in the bedroom, but it felt like that’s all it was, just a physical thing“.  At the 6-months separation point, you shared: “Nothing has really changed on the relationship front, we are still very amicable and text most days but very surface level and transactional“, and you were considering meeting someone new: “At the end of the day I could continue to wait around for her to change her mind which doesn’t seem likely or I can try and get myself back out there”.

    More than 4 months later, on April 25, 2024, you shared that you met a woman from Ireland: “Not a lot has changed… I met a girl who gets me and seems really keen to be with me whilst understanding my complex situation… I feel happier and have spent so much time focusing on myself and my mental health. I run now about 40-70km a week which I have never done, I go to the gym and I’m trying to continue to challenge myself which I love“.

    Not yet 3 months later, you shared today: “I recently ended my Irish fling… It has been 14 months since I separated from my wife… we still co-parent really well and she knows I am a good father… Is it wrong that I still continue to feel like there could be something still there between my ex and I???… On one hand I am so happy with my life right now and have rediscovered what I had lost during our marriage, but having been on dates and met other woman none are quite the same as her and it has me thinking and confused… Any advice welcome Dave“-

    – I want to bring up a few things to you: (1) in your first post, Jan 2023, you shared that you met your wife after having “ just broken up from a relationship“. Fast forward, you just ended the relationship with the Irish woman (“I recently ended my Irish fling“), and you are thinking about getting back together with your estranged wife.

    It may be that you have too much trouble being alone/ unattached to a woman, and when unattached, you quickly seek attachment, be it to a new woman or to an ex.

    On Dec 5, 2023, you wrote: ” I feel very alone when my children are not there“. Feeling very alone/ too alone now, after recently being no-longer attached to the Irish woman?

    (2) Life would be simpler financially and practically, if the next attachment would be to your now-estranged wife, wouldn’t it?

    (3) There is a HUGE elephant in the room: “The main problem is she no longer trusts or respects me” (June 9, 2023). Unless this has drastically changed, getting back together with her would be a bad, bad idea.

    Having re-read your posts this morning, I noticed that she complained about you a lot (that you are lazy and other disrespectful evaluations of who you are), but you didn’t complain at all about who she is. This is congruent with you feeling inferior to her, as in.. deserving her disrespect.

    (4) You shared back in Feb 14, 2023, that you were “in a constant state of feeling out of control and emotional about our situation“. You don’t want to go back to that feeling out of control, do you? I mean, your estranged wife, if she still disrespects you (as she has for such a long time), it wouldn’t be a good idea to reunite with her because being disrespected day after day is bad for your mental health, and bad for your kids to observe.

    anita

    #435240
    Dave
    Participant

    Hey Anita,

    I cannot disagree with any and all of your comments, and thanks for the honest feedback.

    I did feel like I couldnt be along for quite some time and that I relied too much on the support and affection of a partner, I like that element of having someone but I am certainly fine and dandy without it and my cup feels pretty full to be honest. I ended my Irish fling at the end of May and spent the time up until now alone and focused on my own mental health and wellbeing, I have just returned for a weeks vacation with just my and kids and it was lovely to not have to think of or rely on anyone for my own happiness. I do value your points on the reliance of needing to have someone but it certainly isnt how I feel.

    I also feel its important to clarify that she has hinted and indirectly highlighted that she has feelings for me that have just never gone away.

    I wouldnt in anyway consider trying to make a permanent move with her if the points you make above were not addressed and clarified, but it is really hard when I have known her for nearly 18 years and we know each other so well. Maybe i should have clarified that providing she can offer me some assurance and take some responsibility for her part in the breakup and relationship breakdown then I’d be interested to explore it??

    I wouldnt make any rash decisions either way which would potentially damage the work i have done personally over the last 14 months… I want to be happy, and it really means a lot that you are so honest with the feedback – My overriding thought has been always that there are great memories and history over the last 18 years, but I wouldnt be suggesting re-kindling what we lost as I believe that man i was before is gone and I’d only be interested to learn if she wanted to be part of my future. If she isnt then my situation really hasnt changed too much…

    #435249
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Dave:

    You are welcome. Good to read that you are certainly fine and dandy without a partner (since May), having been focused on your own mental health and well-being, and that you don’t intend to make rash decisions that could damage the work you’ve done over the last 14 months!

    I also feel its important to clarify that she has hinted and indirectly highlighted that she has feelings for me that have just never gone away“- do you know why she hinted that she has feelings vs directly telling you so?

    I wouldn’t in anyway consider trying to make a permanent move with her if the points you make above were not addressed and clarified… Maybe I should have clarified that providing she can offer me some assurance and take some responsibility for her part in the breakup and relationship breakdown then I’d be interested to explore it??“- I think so, yes. I would discuss with her the topics of Responsibility and Respect. And perhaps (?) another topic that I came across this morning, when replying to another thread: the principle of least interest.

    From psychology today/ power imbalances in  relationships explained:  “Why is it that we often find ourselves in romantic quagmires, where one person just seems to care more about the relationship than the other? The answer boils down to the principle of least interest. In 1938, sociologist Willard Waller coined this theory on the belief that most couples are not equally committed or invested in a relationship—therefore, the person who is less committed has more control over what happens to the relationship”.

    anita

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