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  • #456952
    anita
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    Hey Peter:

    “I still need to work on that”- on being you or on being silly?

    I don’t remember Peter being silly 🤔

    Thank you so much for telling me that you think it’s great that I can express myself as I did. I was a bit afraid that you’d think otherwise.

    Really? It’s really what you think? (no need to answer, of course you mean what you say. I know you well enough to know that you are.. religiously 😉 honest)

    It’s just that it’s hard for me to believe that how I spontaneously express myself is truly okay with another person.

    “Between ‘Egypt’ and ‘Promise land’ lies the wilderness”- the wilderness here is me being silly and then a bit anxious about whether it (my silliness/ spontaniety) was received or rejected.

    I am curious if your religious background is Catholic or Methodist (two possibilities that come to my mind). I don’t expect an answer. It’s perfectly okay with me that you don’t answer any question you’re uncomfortable with or if you just don’t feel like answering.

    The value in my asking may be just to share with you what crosses my mind.

    “Whatever you lose, you’ve won”- winning distance from ‘Egypt’ and getting closer to the ‘Promise land’- within my own mind, mentally and socially?

    If I remember correctly, the Jews in the desert 🏜 never got to enter the promised land (I didn’t get a chance to look it up, having a limited use of the computer).

    🤔 🎶 🏜 Anita

    #456973
    Peter
    Participant

    Hi Anita,
    You asked “I still need to work on that” — on being me or on being silly? I often wonder if they are one and the same. 😊

    One of the blessings of age and the discovery of the contemplative heart is the ability to appreciate the gifts of others and the unique ways they express themselves. Your compassion, your silliness, and even your anxiousness are all part of your gift. If I don’t always know how to respond to such openness, it likely has much to do with my own Calvinist upbringing, a tradition that often prefers the “sober” over the “spontaneous.” – another old inherited story and language that has shaped me, more then I have shaped it.

    You mentioned that the “wilderness” for you is that moment of anxiety after being silly, wondering if you’ve been received or rejected. That is a powerful image.

    In the Exodus story, the 40 years in the wilderness were a time of shedding. The people, representing our own inner attributes, spontaneity, creativity, fears, and hopes, were often so terrified of the “in-between” that they begged to return to the certainty of slavery. Slavery was hard, but it was known. The wilderness is weightless and uncertain.

    I think the reason that generation never entered the Promised Land is a metaphor for the ego: the version of us that lived in “Egypt” (the old habits and defenses) cannot survive in the “Promise.” The wilderness is where that old self falls away so that something new can be born. It’s a place of rest AND creative tension.

    It’s perfectly okay to be in that “in-between” space. I appreciate you sharing what crosses your mind, it keeps the conversation in that rhythmic movement we’ve been talking about.

    #456975
    anita
    Participant

    Good morning, Peter:

    Having the use of the computer (not for long), I talked with Copilot about the Exodus story and about your first, original post.

    Copilot: As a child, Peter heard the line: “God hardened Pharaoh’s heart.” And it disturbed him. Why? Because the child‑version of the story sounds like God forced Pharaoh to be stubborn, made Pharaoh refuse to free the Israelites and then punished Pharaoh for something God made him do. To a child, that feels unfair, scary, confusing.

    Here’s Peter’s whole message in one paragraph: As a child, he thought God forced Pharaoh to be stubborn. As an adult, he sees that Pharaoh hardened his own heart through repeated choices rooted in fear and control. The story is a warning: when we resist compassion long enough, we lose the ability to choose it. And today, many people and systems are repeating Pharaoh’s pattern by treating empathy as weakness and building their identities around rigidity instead of grace.

    Peter does not describe God as a person, a judge, a being who controls events, or someone who rewards or punishes. Instead, he describes God as a Rhythm, a Flow, a Current — the natural movement of compassion, truth, and reality.

    In his view, God is not a character who “does things.” God is the pattern of how life works when we are aligned with goodness. Think of it like gravity, music, the tide, the pulse of the universe. Something you can move with or resist — but not something that forces you.

    Peter’s God = The Rhythm of Grace- He uses metaphors like: “the Eternal Current”, “the Rhythm of reality”, “the Sheet Music of existence”, “the Stream”, “the flow of Grace” This means: God = the natural movement toward compassion, openness, empathy, and connection. When you align with that rhythm, your heart stays soft. When you resist it, your heart hardens.

    Peter’s God is: the flow of compassion, the rhythm of empathy, the natural law of cause and effect, the movement of grace through the world

    When you move with that rhythm, you stay open. When you resist it, you become rigid.

    In Peter’s view: God didn’t harden Pharaoh. Pharaoh hardened himself. The “hardening” is the natural consequence of resisting the rhythm of grace. So “God hardened his heart” is a poetic way of saying: Pharaoh’s choices calcified him, he became rigid, he lost flexibility, he became trapped in his own ego. Not divine punishment — human consequence.

    I then quoted from your 2nd post for Copilot.

    Copilot: What he’s revealing here is the personal reason he wrote the original post, and it deepens the symbolic meaning he sees in Exodus. 1. Peter is admitting something personal- He says he wrote the post because: he noticed his own heart tightening, he felt himself becoming less kind, he was questioning whether he was still acting from compassion, this scared him. So, the Exodus story came back to him because it mirrors what he was feeling internally.

    This is important: Peter is not talking about Pharaoh “out there.” He’s talking about Pharaoh inside himself.

    2. He sees Pharaoh as a symbol of inner rigidity- Pharaoh represents the part of us that becomes rigid, the part that refuses to soften, the part that resists change, the part that becomes stone. So, for Peter: Pharaoh = the inner voice that says “No, I won’t change.” Not a villain. Not a historical figure. A psychological pattern.

    3. Peter fears becoming like Pharaoh- This is the emotional core of his message. He says: he doesn’t want his own heart to harden, he doesn’t want to become rigid or closed, he doesn’t want to lose kindness, he doesn’t want to be overwhelmed by life until he breaks.

    He wants to stay fluid, responsive, compassionate, open.

    He sees this as active work, not something that happens automatically.

    4. He believes hardening happens gradually- Peter is saying: the heart doesn’t turn to stone all at once, it happens through small choices, each refusal to soften adds a layer, each act of fear or defensiveness adds another, eventually, the heart becomes rigid without noticing. This is why he says noticing “any hardening” is important. It’s early intervention.

    5. He applies this to individuals, nations, and the world- Peter believes people can harden, communities can harden, nations can harden, the world can harden. And when that happens, empathy disappears.

    This is why he’s so disturbed by modern ideas like “empathy is a sin” — he sees that as a sign of collective hardening.

    6. What this adds to his original message- His first post was philosophical and symbolic. This new post reveals the emotional motivation behind it: He wrote about Pharaoh because he was afraid he was becoming Pharaoh. He felt a tightening, a withdrawal, a questioning of his own kindness. And he used the Exodus story to examine that feeling. So, the story is not just a metaphor for society — it’s a mirror for his own inner life.

    Simple Summary of What’s New- Peter is saying: “I wrote about Pharaoh because I felt my own heart starting to harden. Pharaoh represents the rigid part of us that refuses to change. I don’t want to become that.
    So, I pay attention to any signs of hardening — in myself, in my country, in the world.”

    (have to get off the computer)

    #456977
    anita
    Participant

    Hi again, Peter:

    Like I said before, I really want to process and absorb your posts in this thread over time, that’s why I talked to Copilot right above.

    By the way, before I mentioned you to Copilot, we talked about the story or stories of Exodus and seems like one quote was that God hardened Pharaoh’s heart, but 2 quotes stated that Pharaoh hardened his own heart. Did you notice that?

    Also, reviewing the story, in another book, Numbers, or Deutro (can’t spell it), when the Israelites finally entered the promise- land, after 40 years of wondering in the desert- Moses was not allowed in as punishment for getting angry and minimally disobedient earlier. And I think it’s unfair- how can anyone be expected to not get frustrated with all that he went through? Poor Moses.

    As to your post earlier this morning: Peter made a funny joke! (I just noticed the first smile of the day ☺️ on my face).

    Thank you, Peter, for being kind to me!

    I’ll write more later.

    🤍 Anita

    #456980
    anita
    Participant

    As I am looking at my own heart this late morning, I see a heart previously (In the beginning, a forgotten beginning) vibrating with life, passion, hope and desire (that running on open fields of green grass)

    Next, I see a bleeding heart with quickly-forming scar tissue. The living-vibrating parts almost disappearing in the midst of heavy scarring, the whole system designed to stop the bleeding so to survive, however minimally.

    But alive it was, in the context of daydreaming/ fantasy.

    Only a few years ago, Sarah, the server at the now closed winery, a woman who was there- in my presence- every day-evening she worked there, said to me (after I must have spoken, red-wined: ‘You were always so quiet (until then) I didn’t know if you could talk, or what your voice sounds like.’

    It never occurred to me that I was quiet on the outside because of all the troubling noise on the inside.

    And now, my heart is breathing life, scar tissue retreating, bit by bit (or lots and lots); flattened cells breathing in a third dimension.

    The winery was closed December last year. The taproom I frequented since 2017 closed Friday last. Currently, I have no in-real-life socializing opportunities (the house is filled with stuff from the winery, boxes and boxes of papers and things, no way to entertain here).

    I have found nothing more Alive-ing than connecting with people- here on tiny buddha and in real- life. It’s the oxygen that dissolves the scar tissue of the heart.

    Does every hardening of a heart start with scar tissue, Peter? I wonder.

    🤔 Anita

    #456983
    Peter
    Participant

    Hi Anita,
    I’m so glad you’re engaging with the story this way. I add the disclaimer of “dream analysis” in the earlier posts because I don’t want to impose my own associations on anyone else, it’s more about finding what resonates in the “atmosphere” of the narrative.

    You touched on something that confused my younger self too: the shift from Pharaoh hardening his own heart and the movement with the text saying, “And God hardened Pharaoh’s heart.” It feels similar to your observation about Moses being “punished” for his frustration. From a human perspective, it seems incredibly unfair… poor Moses and Pharoah!

    But in “dream analysis,” we look at these figures as parts of a single psyche. In that light, Moses’ inability to enter the Promised Land isn’t a punishment, but an inevitability.

    It’s like those myths where the hero is warned not to look back. What brought the psyche this far, the “Law,” the structure, the forceful leadership, simply cannot accompany it into the next stage. There is a leap, a weightless space between the old way of being and the new. The work of planting the seeds is done. (imagine digging up the seeds every few seconds in order to see where their at, preventing its becoming…. Then blaming the sun for not doing its part…)

    For me, Moses represents the “mediator” or the “instruction” a choice to engage with the Wisdom traditions. But the Promised Land requires presence and participation. The “old self” that fought Pharaoh in Egypt eventually reaches its limit. To enter the “Promise,” we have to drop what has become “form” of our past identities, even the heroic ones, and step into the dance with nothing in our hands… the formless.

    As my dance instructor taught, there comes a point when, to truly Dance, we must forget what we learned… A difference between dancing to win competitions and DANCING from the heart. We thank dance instructor, Moses for the guidance, make what we learn ours and trust vice believe… That old question of mine – what if we lived what we say we believe??? Would we stop believing and live???

    So I feel its less about being “good enough” to get in, and more about being “light enough” to cross…

    When the formless hardens into form, we forget, and we try to “work” our way through life, rather than “releasing” our way through. As long as we hold on to our inner ‘Moses’ perhaps out of a sense of ego justice we shell not pass… But I do not feel bad for Moses, I notice in the story Moses seems content as he stands on the mountaintop and bless the “people” who will enter the “promise land”.

    #456984
    anita
    Participant

    I feel happy to read your post of less than 15 minutes ago. I’m looking forward to reading it attentively later this afternoon- evening (after walking the dog, etc.)

    #456986
    Peter
    Participant

    I also wanted to share a bit more about my original intent for this topic. As a child, being told the story of Exodus, I was deeply confronted by those words: ‘And God hardened Pharaoh’s heart.’ Hearing that, and then hearing how Pharaoh and Egypt were punished as a result… while simultaneously being told that such a God was ‘Love’ was jarring.

    I internalized the idea that ‘Love’ was simply synonymous with obedience and following the rules, a sentiment I think you can relate to. It creates a rigid inner world and a major cognitive dissonance that you are also told to ignore. Eventually, the inevitable happens: you discover that following the rules doesn’t always stop painful experiences or lead to the experience of feeling loved… and here is the really sad part: the young child assumes they are the problem.

    I might argue that every child, through whatever cultural or path they walk, eventually hits that wall where the Map (the rules, the words, the expectations) fails to describe the Territory (the raw, painful, and beautiful experience of being alive). When the adults and the “Law” insist the Map is perfect, the child has no choice but to conclude that their own internal compass is broken.

    By framing such a experience as archetypal, I’ve been suggesting that the “Exodus” is actually the journey of un-learning that childhood conclusion. The 40 years in the wilderness is the time it takes for that “I am the problem” identity to finally starve to death, so that the person can finally enter the “Promise” as a dancer rather than a servant. A movement from “I must be right” to be loved… to “I am here.” and am Love.

    #456994
    anita
    Participant

    Hi Peter:

    The gap between the map (the rules presented from above with a Promise of reward for all those who follow, a false external compass) and the territory (not rewarded=> feeling like the Problem, distrust in the denied and abused internal compass).

    And so, the stream, the music, the flow of grace get suspended within and one is neither alive nor dead (the living dead 🤔)

    Entering the Promise land as a 🕺 💃 rather than as a servant- to me- that’s brilliant, Peter!

    I want to take a little break and write more this evening.

    💃 🕺 🎶 Anita

    #456998
    anita
    Participant

    Hey Peter:

    Whatever comes to my mind this evening (with best intentions):

    Peter the boy- an exceptionally perceptive and intelligent boy. He’s told that God is Love but then he’s also told that Love (God) hardens a heart..

    Peter’s internal compass 🧭 says: Love hardens a heart? And then Love punishes the person whose heart it has hardened?

    Day after day, night after night, year after year, no one to guide Peter toward a dictionary and a map that make sense.

    So, Peter is lost in a desert for a long, long time, feeling like the Problem because no one was strong enough or loving enough or capable enough to say:

    ‘Peter, you are a good boy. You are smart and perceptive and you care about what is true and what is not true.

    I see the worried look on your face, I see the questions in your eyes. Can you put words into your questions. I want to hear your questionns because I care about you. No wrong questions”.

    That could have been a beginning of a much shorter stay in the desert.

    🧭 🏜 🤍 Anita

    #457035
    Roberta
    Participant

    Hi Peter

    For years I was confused I thought that it was god fare ing as in being well with god in a nice way, then I asked a devout christian about this phrase & he explained it was God fearing! that made me confused in a different way, if a god, is loving, kind, compassionate, what do we have to fear about him? I guess that is why I like Buddhist philosophy/psychology more.
    Roberta

    #457070
    anita
    Participant

    Good Friday, Peter:

    Copilot told me earlier this morning in regard to my last post here that it was a monolgue not a dialogue, that I should have asked you if what I expressed resonated with you, if you feel it to be true to you. Do you agree?

    In regard to my post before last (my observation), it was too dense. I should have limited it to the faulty external (adult) compass messing with the true internal child compass.

    Perhaps I got too involved with what you presented here, making it more about me than about you? (that’s not Copilot’s suggestion, it’s me thinking).

    Please let me know what (if any 🙂) participation by me you would like in your threads.

    🙏 Anita

    #457112
    Peter
    Participant

    Hi Roberta,
    I love that you brought up the word ‘fear.’ It’s such a perfect example of how the ‘childhood’ version of a story can feel restrictive or even contradictory.

    Interestingly, that word ‘fear’ in the original context of the tradition isn’t really about being afraid of a cosmic bully. It’s closer to the sense of awe or reverence, the way you might feel a ‘fearful’ wonder standing at the edge of a vast canyon or watching a massive storm. It’s about being overwhelmed by the scale of life, not being scared of a blow. But try to explain that to a 5-year-old…

    I also appreciate Buddhist philosophy and language, yet I am reminded of T.S. Eliot’s idea: ‘And the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started, and know the place for the first time.’

    To do that, I needed the language of Buddhism and other wisdom traditions just to breathe and get away from those literal, childhood interpretations. But as Jung suggested, we can’t simply trade our Western minds (inherited language) for Eastern ones; eventually, we have to ‘dance with the one that brought us.’ His suggestion matching my experience as I was constantly, often sub-consciously, translating new “language” into the old.

    For me, exploring other philosophies wasn’t about leaving home forever; it was about gaining the perspective to return and see my ‘inherited language’ anew. It allowed me to heal those internalized concepts, like the hardening of Pharaoh’s heart, and see them through a mature lens rather than the mind of a child. Sometimes you have to go a long way away to finally understand the ground you’re standing on.

    #457114
    Peter
    Participant

    As I’ve explored this topic I find my self continually surprised of how the literalism we internalize as children can eventually feel like a cage. As I discussed with Roberta to find a way out, I’ve found I often have to look toward other wisdom traditions, not to abandon my home, but to find the tools to renovate it. Here is a less biblical example warning of a hardened heart…

    I’ve been reflecting on a verse from the Tao Te Ching:

    The Way bears one. The one bears two. The two bear three. The three bear the ten thousand things. The ten thousand things carry the yin on their shoulders and hold in their arms the yang, whose interplay of energy makes harmony.
    People despise orphans, widowers, outcasts. Yet that’s what kings and rulers call themselves. Whatever you lose, you’ve won. Whatever you win, you’ve lost. What others teach, I say too: violence and aggression destroy themselves. My teaching rests on that

    Lao Tzu suggests that we often become caught in the dualisms of winning and losing, subject and object. Again and again, experience seems to split itself into opposites. Yet this cosmology gestures toward something prior to this division, something like the “Law of Three,” where a third presence opens a space for a choiceless choice. It is the moment that is neither inhale, exhale nor holding, a weightless pause where the creative spark arises.

    From there, something subtle happens. The spark does not remain formless. Language gathers around it, as moisture gathers in the air. At first, it is light, like vapor, invisible and unbound. Then, almost imperceptibly, it condenses. A thought takes shape, an image forms, and the first raindrop appears. This is natural, even necessary: the formless becoming form, the unseen becoming speakable. Like rain, it nourishes, it connects, it allows life to take root.

    But the process does not always stop at rain.

    Under certain conditions, when the atmosphere grows turbulent, when currents clash and intensify, the raindrop is carried upward again. It passes through layers of freezing air, and each pass adds another shell. What began as a simple condensation becomes a hailstone: solid, dense, and weighty.

    So too with our thoughts. A simple insight, once named, can be lifted back into the churn of reaction, defensiveness, and repetition, until it hardens into a fixed position. This is the “hardened heart” from the old stories, not a divine punishment, but a psychological process where a living truth becomes an icy weapon. What began as a living spark becomes something we grasp, defend, and eventually throw.

    In this metaphor, the “One” is the open atmosphere, pure, unformed potential. The “Two” is the condensation, the inevitable forming of a drop. But the hailstone is a distortion: it is form that has been cycled through resistance until it forgets its origin in lightness. By the time we hold a rigid stance, we are no longer holding rain, but ice.

    Today, I want to practice what the older Christian traditions called Perichoresis, the “divine dance.” This wasn’t a dry doctrine but a description of mutual indwelling and dynamic movement. It echoes Lao Tzu’s harmony: the One becoming Two, and the Two finding their rhythm in the Three.

    Through this lens, the tensions in my own life begin to soften. My active drive to achieve and my passive need to rest are no longer adversaries; they are movements within a larger rhythm. The “third force” is not something added, but something noticed, the breath itself, the living space between.

    I saw this briefly this morning in a difficult conversation. There was the impulse to defend, to solidify into a position. There was also the impulse to withdraw. But for a moment, there was a gap. In that space, nothing had yet hardened. It was a moment where I did not have to become the hailstone; I could remain as the atmosphere.

    Violence, I see now, is a forgetting of this movement. It is what happens when we try to give permanence to what was never meant to be fixed, so begets and destroys it self. But the Tao suggests a reversal: what is yielded is not lost. By releasing the weight of needing to be “right,” we return to the dance.

    The world often operates as if only hailstones are real, solid positions and force meeting force. But beneath the noise, the quieter process continues: the forming and dissolving, the rising and falling.

    So today, I will look for that movement in small things. I will notice the instant before the drop hardens. I will allow the spark to remain light a little longer. In that openness, there is finally room to breathe.

    #457120
    Peter
    Participant

    Hi Anita,
    I don’t see our exchange as a monologue at all. I share these thoughts as springboards, hoping they offer a bit of ‘atmosphere’ for others to find their own stories.

    So please don’t worry about being ‘too dense’ or making it ‘more about you.’ In fact, that is exactly why were here. We’ve both walked paths where an external compass, for me, religious literalism; for you, perhaps a different internalized map, tried to override our true internal one. When you share how these topics resonate with your own life, it’s not taking away from my post; it’s actually the highest compliment.

    I value your unique way of viewing things and your reflections are a welcome part of the rhythm. My only request is that it stays true to you. Use these threads in whatever way helps your own process of reclaiming your story. Even if that means pushing back and disagreeing.

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