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anitaParticipantCorrective Exercise tonight:
Looking up to where the rope begins, up, up. up there, beyond where I can SEE-
There’s no one there holding the rope.
No one there.
No Mother 4 Me
There’s a person there, just not a person For me.
So, on a helicopter, there’s the me, the lost me, now gathering strength, saying- (Tee.. having you in mind), My Darling, I am here For you.
Let go of the idea, let go of the dream, the fantasy.
Let go of what you wish she was
Accept that she wasn’t.
Nothing personal, it was nothing personal- not a reflection of me.
Mother Stanger.
Always has been.
No Mother 4 Me.
I wish I could calm the tic in my left shoulder right now. It has a life of its own.
Mother Yolande (her original name), Goodbye. May you rest in peace. I know you are dying, will be dying soon.
I let you go. I let go of Fantasy. Amen. May you rest in peace, in the world After this one.
You didn’t mean to hurt me- outside the times you did.
Goodbye, Mother, Ima-
I would have done.. I did all I could do for this Stanger-mother you.
But you’d never know.
A Stranger. Disconnect.. on your part, stranger.
I will connect where I can, to people who will reciprocate.. even if it’s just a bit.
Anita
anitaParticipantDear Going Through Life:
“I’m glad to be your youngest friend here, maybe I can get you in touch with your younger side and you bring me in touch with my older side through our conversations. It will be wonderful experience.”- you are so positive!
Actually, I think that you have a lot to teach me about.. my older side. You come across to me as mature beyond your years!
“Rain and a warm cup of coffee always go hand in hand. Maybe you can utilise this time to focus on some of your other hobbies/work.”-
I am very much a creature of habit, following a daily routine, starting in the morning at the computer (tiny buddha), noon/ early afternoon- walking/ working as a volunteer, mostly outdoors (if it’s not raining hard), then socializing with people, then back home and repeat the next morning, 7 days a week, 365 days a year.
“I’ll be happy to listen to your problems and challenges if you want to share friend, maybe I’ll not be as wise as you in giving advice but I’ll happily be your listening ear.”- thank you 🙏
“But I’m intrigued where do you find your hope dear Anita?”- this morning, I find it in the no-rain, unexpected sunlight and blue skies! If it stays this way (dry), I will take my 3-mile walk, finding hope in the cool, fresh air and beautiful trees all around ☀️🌳🌲🌳🌲🌳🌲
Maybe I didn’t thank you before, but thank you dear Anita for being with me through my latest breakup, you were/are an upliftment in my life, I’m grateful.”- You are very kind, Going Through Life. Hope to read from you whenever you feel like talking to me!
🙂 Anita
anitaParticipantDear Tee:
I hope that you do see a doctor sooner than two weeks, as soon as possible, and a good, caring doctor with a good team of professionals working together.
As I sit here, in front of the computer, I see lots of trees in front of me, outside the big windows, and the mountains to my right, and I thought: I would climb that mountain (a very tall one) if it’d take away your pain. It’s a child’s thought, isn’t it.
Anita: “Adult Anita to Tee: What to say, Tee..? She wants HER MOTHER… What to do, Tee? Where to go from here?”
Tee: “There might be some resistance to healing, a part of you might be resistant. Perhaps you can ask yourself: if I never get my mother’s love and she never tells me she loves me – what will that mean for me?”-
I sat with this sentence for a while, not understanding it. Then I saw in my mind’s eye the image of a rope, an emotional rope, tying me to her and I am hanging on to this rope in mid-air. And then, healing =cutting that rope= would mean me falling to my death.
* The sun just appeared and the trees leaves, green and yellow, wet with rain, glistening in the sun. So much unexpected sun (and no rain falling), and it made me hopeful, hopeful for my healing and for your physical healing 🔆 🙏
“What I am noticing is that in your post on October 26, 7:58 pm, your inner child had some realizations about your mother’s inability to love. It seemed LGA was starting to accept that her mother didn’t have the capacity to love her: (Quotes) But now, it seems that LGA forgot that and wants her mother’s love again. So, perhaps you – the adult Anita – would need to explain to LGA again that her mother is unable to love – not only her, but anybody else really. That her personality doesn’t allow it. And since your mother believes that there is nothing wrong with her personality and that she was/is a good mother – she is still the same person, unable to give love to LGA.”-
I went back to that post. I wrote there: “This all means that the D.I.S.C.O.N.N.E.C.T between my mother and I was .. unbridgeable. And I held on to her, trying to reach her in a thousand and one ways.”-
I held on to her, to that rope connecting me to her. That rope was my only hope. Reality was the disconnect between me and her, the overall disconnect in my life growing up (in).
* I mentioned before the paranoid part of her personality disorder combo: she kept expressing how EVERYONE was a bad person, can’t trust anyone.. everyone is trying to use and abuse her (including me and children of my age.. everyone), so I couldn’t trust anyone, no one I could hold on to for support.. so, there was only her as an option.
Being that everyone was presented to me as enemy, the only person to connect with was the one doing the presenting. And because connecting with her was deeply fractured, I held on to the only “connecting” I had available (given the mistrust taught).
The strength and endurance of my holding on to that rope for dear life was born in that desert of connection, the overwhelming lack of, that intense isolation/ distrust.
In that post of Oct 26, I also wrote:
“A: (thinking.. trying not to intellectualize/ rationalize)… She wouldn’t- couldn’t love you/ me- couldn’t, wouldn’t because…
Because.. help me LGA-“LGA: Because for her, I wasn’t even there. There was no M.E. No Anita. I WASN’T EVEN THERE. I DIDN’T EXIST. There was only her. No me.
“A: Ah.. True. For her, there was no Anita. I mean, true, 100 percent true: in her presentation, in her perception there was no Anita, only her.”- No-Anita held on to the only identity available to her= Mother.
Back to your post of today, Tee: “I think the next step would be not only to explain to LGA that her (your) mother isn’t able to love her, but when LGA demands her mother’s love (like she did in the last exercise), to take her into your arms and tell her “sh Sh… sh”, gently hugging her and comforting her. Soothing her anxiety and restlessness, and telling her that you’ll be there for her (your version of “Darling, I’m there for you”). Basically, becoming that mother to her that you as a child never had… Do you think you would be able to do that?”-
In my mind’s eye, I see LGA holding on to that rope in mid-air.. Here’s a corrective exercise: the adult me reaching LGA in mid-air, maybe on a helicopter, and I reach my arms to her, asking her to let go of the rope and hold on to me. I see her gaze moving from her mother at the beginning of the rope far above her, shifting her gaze to me, on her side, close to her. She is looking at me now.. and I am getting closer to her, and right when it’s safe, she lets go of the rope and holds on to me for dear life.
Darling LGA, I am here for you.
“Dear Anita, I do care about you and your healing, but I can’t take on the role of the mother to your inner child – only you can do that. True healing happens when our adult self gives our inner child what we haven’t received in childhood. As children, we were unable to meet our emotional needs, but now, as adults, we’re able to do that. And so we become that loving, caring parent to our inner child. That’s the concept of self-parenting or re-parenting. That’s how we heal those core emotional wounds.
“And so, I see myself as someone who is there to support and encourage your adult self – the adult Anita – to become a good, loving parent to LGA. I am not in the mother role, but I serve (or would like to serve) as a support to you to be in the mother role to your inner child. How does this sound? Does it sound acceptable to you? ❤️ 🫶”-
❤️ 🫶 ❤️ That is very acceptable to me and I am, as I said before, eternally grateful to you. I think that my mid-air helicopter letting go of the rope corrective exercise is what I am going to do again and again.
It is interesting, it’s not about letting go of the mother. There’s never been a point of contact where she met me, a hug, an embrace.. there was only the rope I held on to.
It is because of your input in your replies to members that I started to seriously consider the (covert) narcissistic part of her personality disorder combo, which includes, but not limited to (Copilot): “Interrupting or dominating conversations”, “Holding grudges or seeking revenge when slighted”, “Struggling with long-term relationships due to lack of emotional reciprocity” (that’s me holding on to a rope.. but there’s no one there at the other side of the rope, no one is holding the rope).
* There’s even more sun, lighter outside and no rain 🔆 🔆 🔆
Copilot: “In the context of NPD, self-referential thinking involves: Constant self-focus… Difficulty holding a stable, nuanced view of others — people are either idealized or devalued based on how they reflect on the narcissist.”-
In her mind, like anyone else in her life, I was a 2-dimensional thing: good & idealized OR bad & devalued. Not a 3-D person. She sometimes idealized me (and it felt so awkward, insincere), like when she bragged about me being an excellent student (which I wasn’t) and that I am super intelligent (which I was not), or that I am so beautiful that when I grow up, men will faint because of how beautiful I would be (never happened..). And at other times, there’d be the devaluing, prolonged sessions of shaming and humiliating me with words. Very narcissistic. I need to get a better understanding of this part of her disordered combo.
Thank you, Tee. You are an inspiration to me on many levels!
Hi Alessa:
Thank you for your support and kindness ❤️
I find it moving and fascinating that your therapist screamed at the empty chair, imagining your bio mother was sitting there. I am glad it brought you comfort. Thank you for sharing this!
❤️ Anita
anitaParticipantContinued, a bit:
My whole life, I wanted to do the impossible:
To make my mother (Ima) love me,
To somehow make it happen:
Ah! To hear/feel these words: I (Ima) LOVE you, Anita
You are a good, loving girl (LGA)
To hear HER say it..
Ahh, that would have been H.E.A.V.E.N
If only I heard these words.
An undying DESIRE
To hear her saying it
This desire is so deep, so strong
Something I’d die a thousand times for, and resurrect each time to ask: did she say it yet, did she say I am a good little girl?
.. And she never will, or did she and I missed it?
Could she/ would she say it on her dying breath (and I’m not there to hear it)?
The Corrective Exercise-
LGA: She is so very old, she may still say it.. that I’m G.O.O.D.
Tee: You are a good little girl.
LGA: But it’s not HER saying it! She is still alive, maybe she is saying it..?
Tee: Your sister would have told you, she would have sent such an important message, she would have said: Ima said that you (LGA) is a good little girl.
But you never heard anything of the kind.. Have you?
LGA: No, never such a message.
Tee (Adult Anita): Never such a message because..?
LGA: Because I was not a good little girl..?
Anita, adult: This is the most difficult thing you ever had to process.. What she said you were vs what you were, what you are.
You are a good, loving, most beautiful, wonderful little girl.
LGA: I need HER to tell me this. Why won’t she???
Adult Anita to Tee:
What to say, Tee..? She wants HER MOTHER to say it, and no one’s word is good enough. I FEEL her passion, her desire for just that one voice, that one look in those eyes, Ima’s eyes.
LGA hears no one else.. What to do, Tee? Where to go from here?
anitaParticipantCorrective Exercise (having you in mind, Tee):
(I am having Israeli music playing in the background, the music I heard as a child, so long ago).
Elementary school, grade .. 1, 2.. 4, 5.. don’t remember.
I was the smallest child in the class, maybe one of the two smallest.
My mother had an eating disorder before I was born and way, way after.
She used to make herself throw up by placing her fingers deep inside her throat, I remember.
So, when pregnant, she did enough of that to not even appear pregnant nine months in.. so, I was born underweight, Bridge (not having the.. energy (?) to turn over and be born normally).
And so, I was the smallest of my peers.
In adolescence, I was so envious of female peers who looked like women.
But I digress. Back to maybe 4th grade, standing with ALL the pupils on that day, ALL of them, and the teachers and staff- everyone was there, watching my mother losing her cool (something I was very familiar with, just nothing so publicly displayed). All was Silent except for her SCREAMING.
(I feel unwell right now, face hot, tears gathering. Hot all over, scared.)
Tears, my mother over there.. I love her so much.
And she’d never know.
(taking a moment, music in the background).
So, there’s she is screaming, two feet from the (music) teacher she was threatening to hit.
HELP MY MOTHER.
Her pain was Everything, her Pain was so overwhelming, so all-consuming that there was.. nothing else that mattered.
(taking a moment, this is intense, scary).
It stopped raining here..
Back to elementary school, “Bet Sefer Yesudi, in Hebrew), there she is, a far distance away, screaming and yelling
(How the hell was that allowed? Why was there NO INTERVENTION?)
So, I am supposed to let a kind-hearted person there to intervene on my behalf, to take me away from her.
Tee.. it’s hard to imagine you there.
Here’s Tee.. a middle aged woman with glasses 🙂
She steps close to me, lowering herself to my small height, and she smiles, and she says:
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“Little Girl Anita, I am here with you. I am from the future.. we met at tiny buddha.. something of the far away future.”And Tee says: “This is not a good place for you, LGA. I am here to take you away, away to somewhere safe”.
LGA: But Mother, mother is here, she’s in PAIN!
Tee: Pain that’s not yours anymore. I’m here to save you.
LGA: who will save her?
Tee: Don’t know, hope someone will.. But little girl Anita is a little girl who needs rescuing. I am here for you.
Mother is not your little girl, LGA. She is a grown woman. It is you who is little girl.
LGA: a grown woman so very little girl. See her tears, see her desperation.. that’s not grown..
Tee: Sometimes, when we’re to rescue, we have to rescue children first.
LGA: Even children not good enough, not strong enough to rescue Mother..?
Tee: you are good-enough, you are strong enough to leave here and come home with me.
LGA: Who will take care of My Mother?
Tee: Sweet little girl.. you wanted so much to take care of her, but you can’t, not because you’re not enough.. but because you’re a little girl who needs a mother still. Let me be your mother.
LGA: (nothing)
Tee: Be a little girl who needs care, a little girl.
LGA: I can rest, I can rest.. in you?
Tee: (hug).
LGA: But your back hurts, your health issues.. I may be too much for you!
Tee: Always someone else needing more than you need?
LGA: No..?
Tee: It’s about taking a moment, a long moment, just for you. You matter no less than anyone else, and in your own life, you must take center stage: help yourself before you try to help anyone else.
LGA: (taking Tee’s outstretched hand, holding it, walking downhill, away from the screaming and yelling, hearing those screams farther and farther away, weaker and weaker)
LGA: I hear nothing.
Tee: There’ll be no more screaming, no more yelling, no more threats, no more beatings.. no more shaming. You are safe here, with me. You can breathe now. You are safe.
LGA: She’s still alive.. still there screaming, in my mind, I can hear her.
Tee: Sh… sh… (a gentle hug)
Let her go, let her pass on, move on to some other place. There’s nothing LGA could have ever done to fix/ to change/ to heal her.
LGA: Nothing..???
Tee: Nothing.
LGA: Not my fault?
Tee: Not your fault. Not your fault.
LGA: I am so sad, so very sad.. My whole life I wanted to..
Tee: To do the impossible.
– End of exercise, for now.
anitaParticipantDear Going Through Life:
your message means a lot! And I want to reread it and respond later.. as late as tomorrow morning (it’s Sat just past noon here). Please take good care of my friend, good to be going through life with you 🙂.
your much older friend, Anita
anitaParticipant* I find this part encouraging, a reason to hope: “Many people heal without surgery, even when the herniation looks dramatic on imaging.”- Copilot said this (Oct 26) before it knew about your imaging results.
anitaParticipantDear Tee:
When I read ” just visualize a middle-age woman with glasses”- I felt joyful, finally having some idea about how you look. If I may ask, your hair color, eyes? (for my exercise, and because I’m so curious.. but of course, you don’t have to share). I pretty much look the same in the photo, only approx. a year older.
From my records, Copilot: “…… Why flare-ups happen (even with perfect care)? 1. Disc vulnerability remains- Even after healing, a herniated disc doesn’t fully ‘seal.’ The outer ring (annulus fibrosus) may still be fragile, and small movements or shifts can re-aggravate the area.
“2. Microtrauma or cumulative stress- Sometimes it’s not one big event, but a buildup of tiny stresses: Sitting too long in one position, Sleeping posture, Lifting something light but awkwardly, Emotional stress tightening muscles unconsciously. These don’t feel like “mistakes,” but they can still tip the balance.
“3. Inflammatory cycles- Even without new damage, the body can enter a renewed inflammatory response — especially during weather changes, hormonal shifts, or immune fluctuations. The disc may swell slightly, pressing on nerves again.
“4. Nervous system sensitivity- After a long healing journey, the nervous system may remain hypervigilant. A small sensation can trigger a cascade of pain signals — not because the disc is worse, but because the body remembers past pain and reacts protectively.
“Healing isn’t linear. It’s cyclical, relational, and sometimes mysterious.
“Each spinal disc is like a jelly donut: Nucleus pulposus is the soft, gel-like center & Annulus fibrosus is the tough outer ring. When a disc herniates, part of the gel-like nucleus pushes through a tear or weakness in the outer ring… The body may treat the leaked material as foreign, triggering an inflammatory response that worsens symptoms…
“But here’s the hopeful part: * The body can reabsorb the leaked material over time — especially with rest, physical therapy, and anti-inflammatory care. * Many people heal without surgery, even when the herniation looks dramatic on imaging. * The disc doesn’t become ’empty’ — it may lose some height or hydration, but it still functions.
“In short: yes, the gel leaking out can cause symptoms — but it’s not always catastrophic. The body has ways to adapt, and many people recover fully with conservative care… So, yes, the gel is the culprit — but it’s not permanent damage. It’s a flare-up, not a sentence.”
Is this somewhat helpful, Tee?
The corrective exercise, a bit later.
❤️❤️ Anita
anitaParticipantDear Going Through Life:
“I’m sorry you experienced a lonely childhood, please know you can reach out to me your friend anytime Anita, I’ll be there.”-
Thank you for being my friend. You are my youngest friend, by the way. Sometimes I forget how young you are because it feels like I am talking to a person who is much older.
It’s a delight to read your positive, uplifting update: joining the gym, picking up the guitar, rekindling with lost friends, trying to work on your goals, seeking to fall in love with yourself rather than external validation, improving your emotion regulation, handling conflict better.. and removing acne scars so to feel better about the way you look- these are all positive and valuable things!
“Anything you would like to share dear Anita. I’m listening.”- well, it’s been raining cats and dogs here, no break. I don’t like it because it limits my physical activity. There are other problems, challenges, but I am taking it one day at a time, trying to focus on the positives and on where there’s hope.
Becoming a better person is a huge motivation in my life and it brings me joy.. like right now, having noticed that I am smiling 🙂.
Your (much older) friend, Anita
anitaParticipantDear Peace:
Thank you so much for your appreciation and kindness 🙂
“The guilt I feel for speaking badly about them, without knowing the full story, really triggers me. I want to make things right, but I feel like the only way to do that is by carrying this heavy burden.”-
Is your Guilt saying to you: (1) Let’s look at what you did wrong, if you did wrong, and then make it right?
Or is it saying to you: (2) I want you to suffer, you deserve to suffer, so there..(delivering the pan)..?
* If it’s saying the 1st thing, let’s look at what you did wrong, if you did wrong: you spoke badly about them.. did your words hurt them, caused them pain? Are your words about them shared here, in your thread.. which they have never read?
If your words did reach them and caused them pain, there are ways for you to do all you can to correct, to make amends with them, to apologize etc.
* If it’s saying the 2nd thing: what would be the point of you suffering when you either did no wrong in this case, of if you did, but corrected it, made amends, etc.?
“I’m also curious to understand better — what childhood guilt are you referring to when you mentioned your own experiences?”-
I felt very guilty for making my mother’s life miserable (she told me so).. Unlike your mother who didn’t say much, my mother said a whole lot, shaming and guilt-tripping me. I believed her and suffered terrible guilt for decades.
I suffered a lot and non of my suffering made me a better person. Quite the opposite, it made me a worse person as far as my actions went.
Suffering from guilt needs to be limited and lead to correcting wrongdoing, or wrong saying. Once that’s done, suffering guilt is counter productive to mental health. It’s harmful.
With gratitude back to you, Peace, a pleasure speaking with you!
🤍 Anita
anitaParticipantAdding: I was suggesting sharing NOT about treatment options (you already stated that such would make you anxious).
anitaParticipantDear Tee:
This time, I read your whole message before responding.
As to the latter part.. I changed my mind again, I will do the corrective exercise that you approved of (“That was a good idea for a corrective exercise: you staying at a safe distance from your mother, her not being able to harm you. And then a kind adult (a teacher or the principal) taking you under their wing, so to speak, talking to you, understanding you, seeing the damage your mother is doing, and then arranging for you to be taken somewhere safe, to a new, safe home. Sounds like a good exercise”).
When I read what you wrote (above quoted), it motivated me to do it.
When I read: “May I ask how a thought of talking to your sister (knowing that she might mention your mother) feels to you now? Because in the past it gave you a lot of anxiety… but perhaps something has shifted now?”-
I realized I’m still afraid.. so, yes, I’ll do the exercise.
When I considered it a couple of days ago, I thought of the image of you as the kind teacher or principle taking little girl Anita under her wing 😊(but I don’t know how you look like/ what to visualize).
As to the first part of your message (and the reason I kept reading to the end)- I am so sorry to read that the the scans show that your hernia is back with a vengeance, that it’s more severe than the last time around, that you are experiencing quite a bit of pain, and that.. understandably, you are feeling disappointed, angry, and that this is too much of a bad luck, plus having to wait 2 weeks to see a doctor..😔😔😔
“I know I sound like a victim at the moment, i.e. stuck in the victim mindset.”- I think that you are a victim of a physical malfunction (herniated disc). You didn’t choose it, of course, and you did everything you could to heal from it for a long, long time (physical therapy, adjustments to how you sit, move, etc.). You then experienced relief for a year or two and then, it’s back with a vengeance.
You wrote on Oct 25: “I’m experiencing some health issues again, related to my mobility, and they’ve started out of the blue, unprovoked by anything I’ve done”. On Oct 26, I had a long conversation with AI on herniated discs and reasons for unprovoked flareups, and I copied it for my records.
Today, you wrote: “I’m at a loss to understand how it could have happened, since I had no symptoms previously, it all happened out of the blue.”-
If you would like, and only if (!) you’d tell me it’s okay, I will share my little research on the matter..?
❤️ 🫶 ❤️ Anita
anitaParticipant“Something to never happen in this ocean called life.”- meaning, in this ocean of life. there will never be a wave called “mother” who will love this other wave, called “Anita” (I am referring to the non-duality discussion in another thread).
In this ocean of life, there are many, many waves, not just one (mother-monster wave)
The grieving is about her not loving me.
But it doesn’t mean I was not/ am not lovable.
It means that, this one wave didn’t meet me with love.
But.. And there are many waves in the sea, old waves (like me), young waves (younger people)-
And we can meet each other with love.
anitaParticipantIn regard to a corrective exercise.. Strange, I don’t feel like it.
I feel that I am over my mother.
Feels like she’s neither a Mother, nor a Monster.. not anymore.
Because I’m not there with her anymore.
It is over, the whole nightmare:
The endless shaming, guilt-tripping, beating.. histrionic, borderline, paranoid episodes..
These are all over, a thing safely in the past.
I am already safe from her.
And soon to die, and so far, far away.. She’s no danger to me.
The Dream that she will truly love me, that’s past due, a thing of the past.
That Dream.. ahh.. What a dream!
Something to never happen in this ocean called life.
A dream, a fantasy.
I love myself for having this dream, a good little-girl Anita dreaming, how sweet, how precious.
May this dream fuel my love for people, for all people waiting out there to be loved.
Anita
anitaParticipantThinking about you, Tee ❤️
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