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anitaParticipantDear Tee:
When I read ” just visualize a middle-age woman with glasses”- I felt joyful, finally having some idea about how you look. If I may ask, your hair color, eyes? (for my exercise, and because I’m so curious.. but of course, you don’t have to share). I pretty much look the same in the photo, only approx. a year older.
From my records, Copilot: “…… Why flare-ups happen (even with perfect care)? 1. Disc vulnerability remains- Even after healing, a herniated disc doesn’t fully ‘seal.’ The outer ring (annulus fibrosus) may still be fragile, and small movements or shifts can re-aggravate the area.
“2. Microtrauma or cumulative stress- Sometimes it’s not one big event, but a buildup of tiny stresses: Sitting too long in one position, Sleeping posture, Lifting something light but awkwardly, Emotional stress tightening muscles unconsciously. These don’t feel like “mistakes,” but they can still tip the balance.
“3. Inflammatory cycles- Even without new damage, the body can enter a renewed inflammatory response — especially during weather changes, hormonal shifts, or immune fluctuations. The disc may swell slightly, pressing on nerves again.
“4. Nervous system sensitivity- After a long healing journey, the nervous system may remain hypervigilant. A small sensation can trigger a cascade of pain signals — not because the disc is worse, but because the body remembers past pain and reacts protectively.
“Healing isn’t linear. It’s cyclical, relational, and sometimes mysterious.
“Each spinal disc is like a jelly donut: Nucleus pulposus is the soft, gel-like center & Annulus fibrosus is the tough outer ring. When a disc herniates, part of the gel-like nucleus pushes through a tear or weakness in the outer ring… The body may treat the leaked material as foreign, triggering an inflammatory response that worsens symptoms…
“But here’s the hopeful part: * The body can reabsorb the leaked material over time — especially with rest, physical therapy, and anti-inflammatory care. * Many people heal without surgery, even when the herniation looks dramatic on imaging. * The disc doesn’t become ’empty’ — it may lose some height or hydration, but it still functions.
“In short: yes, the gel leaking out can cause symptoms — but it’s not always catastrophic. The body has ways to adapt, and many people recover fully with conservative care… So, yes, the gel is the culprit — but it’s not permanent damage. It’s a flare-up, not a sentence.”
Is this somewhat helpful, Tee?
The corrective exercise, a bit later.
❤️❤️ Anita
anitaParticipantDear Going Through Life:
“I’m sorry you experienced a lonely childhood, please know you can reach out to me your friend anytime Anita, I’ll be there.”-
Thank you for being my friend. You are my youngest friend, by the way. Sometimes I forget how young you are because it feels like I am talking to a person who is much older.
It’s a delight to read your positive, uplifting update: joining the gym, picking up the guitar, rekindling with lost friends, trying to work on your goals, seeking to fall in love with yourself rather than external validation, improving your emotion regulation, handling conflict better.. and removing acne scars so to feel better about the way you look- these are all positive and valuable things!
“Anything you would like to share dear Anita. I’m listening.”- well, it’s been raining cats and dogs here, no break. I don’t like it because it limits my physical activity. There are other problems, challenges, but I am taking it one day at a time, trying to focus on the positives and on where there’s hope.
Becoming a better person is a huge motivation in my life and it brings me joy.. like right now, having noticed that I am smiling 🙂.
Your (much older) friend, Anita
anitaParticipantDear Peace:
Thank you so much for your appreciation and kindness 🙂
“The guilt I feel for speaking badly about them, without knowing the full story, really triggers me. I want to make things right, but I feel like the only way to do that is by carrying this heavy burden.”-
Is your Guilt saying to you: (1) Let’s look at what you did wrong, if you did wrong, and then make it right?
Or is it saying to you: (2) I want you to suffer, you deserve to suffer, so there..(delivering the pan)..?
* If it’s saying the 1st thing, let’s look at what you did wrong, if you did wrong: you spoke badly about them.. did your words hurt them, caused them pain? Are your words about them shared here, in your thread.. which they have never read?
If your words did reach them and caused them pain, there are ways for you to do all you can to correct, to make amends with them, to apologize etc.
* If it’s saying the 2nd thing: what would be the point of you suffering when you either did no wrong in this case, of if you did, but corrected it, made amends, etc.?
“I’m also curious to understand better — what childhood guilt are you referring to when you mentioned your own experiences?”-
I felt very guilty for making my mother’s life miserable (she told me so).. Unlike your mother who didn’t say much, my mother said a whole lot, shaming and guilt-tripping me. I believed her and suffered terrible guilt for decades.
I suffered a lot and non of my suffering made me a better person. Quite the opposite, it made me a worse person as far as my actions went.
Suffering from guilt needs to be limited and lead to correcting wrongdoing, or wrong saying. Once that’s done, suffering guilt is counter productive to mental health. It’s harmful.
With gratitude back to you, Peace, a pleasure speaking with you!
🤍 Anita
anitaParticipantAdding: I was suggesting sharing NOT about treatment options (you already stated that such would make you anxious).
anitaParticipantDear Tee:
This time, I read your whole message before responding.
As to the latter part.. I changed my mind again, I will do the corrective exercise that you approved of (“That was a good idea for a corrective exercise: you staying at a safe distance from your mother, her not being able to harm you. And then a kind adult (a teacher or the principal) taking you under their wing, so to speak, talking to you, understanding you, seeing the damage your mother is doing, and then arranging for you to be taken somewhere safe, to a new, safe home. Sounds like a good exercise”).
When I read what you wrote (above quoted), it motivated me to do it.
When I read: “May I ask how a thought of talking to your sister (knowing that she might mention your mother) feels to you now? Because in the past it gave you a lot of anxiety… but perhaps something has shifted now?”-
I realized I’m still afraid.. so, yes, I’ll do the exercise.
When I considered it a couple of days ago, I thought of the image of you as the kind teacher or principle taking little girl Anita under her wing 😊(but I don’t know how you look like/ what to visualize).
As to the first part of your message (and the reason I kept reading to the end)- I am so sorry to read that the the scans show that your hernia is back with a vengeance, that it’s more severe than the last time around, that you are experiencing quite a bit of pain, and that.. understandably, you are feeling disappointed, angry, and that this is too much of a bad luck, plus having to wait 2 weeks to see a doctor..😔😔😔
“I know I sound like a victim at the moment, i.e. stuck in the victim mindset.”- I think that you are a victim of a physical malfunction (herniated disc). You didn’t choose it, of course, and you did everything you could to heal from it for a long, long time (physical therapy, adjustments to how you sit, move, etc.). You then experienced relief for a year or two and then, it’s back with a vengeance.
You wrote on Oct 25: “I’m experiencing some health issues again, related to my mobility, and they’ve started out of the blue, unprovoked by anything I’ve done”. On Oct 26, I had a long conversation with AI on herniated discs and reasons for unprovoked flareups, and I copied it for my records.
Today, you wrote: “I’m at a loss to understand how it could have happened, since I had no symptoms previously, it all happened out of the blue.”-
If you would like, and only if (!) you’d tell me it’s okay, I will share my little research on the matter..?
❤️ 🫶 ❤️ Anita
anitaParticipant“Something to never happen in this ocean called life.”- meaning, in this ocean of life. there will never be a wave called “mother” who will love this other wave, called “Anita” (I am referring to the non-duality discussion in another thread).
In this ocean of life, there are many, many waves, not just one (mother-monster wave)
The grieving is about her not loving me.
But it doesn’t mean I was not/ am not lovable.
It means that, this one wave didn’t meet me with love.
But.. And there are many waves in the sea, old waves (like me), young waves (younger people)-
And we can meet each other with love.
anitaParticipantIn regard to a corrective exercise.. Strange, I don’t feel like it.
I feel that I am over my mother.
Feels like she’s neither a Mother, nor a Monster.. not anymore.
Because I’m not there with her anymore.
It is over, the whole nightmare:
The endless shaming, guilt-tripping, beating.. histrionic, borderline, paranoid episodes..
These are all over, a thing safely in the past.
I am already safe from her.
And soon to die, and so far, far away.. She’s no danger to me.
The Dream that she will truly love me, that’s past due, a thing of the past.
That Dream.. ahh.. What a dream!
Something to never happen in this ocean called life.
A dream, a fantasy.
I love myself for having this dream, a good little-girl Anita dreaming, how sweet, how precious.
May this dream fuel my love for people, for all people waiting out there to be loved.
Anita
anitaParticipantThinking about you, Tee ❤️
anitaParticipantDear James:
I am the wave AND the ocean, am I not?
I mean, the ocean (the Source, Love) is many little waves, all temporary, but still.. waves (individual people like me and you).
We are the ocean and we are waves, James-wave, Anita-wave, Peter-wave. This is why we sound different: different styles of expressing, different intensities.. different waves..?
🌊 and 🌅 Anita
anitaParticipantDear Peace:
I just completed 2 hours of re-reading our past communication, including Tee’s (under a bit different screen name) valuable communication with you over the years.
You wrote today: “Now that I am here from last 1.5 months and want to stay here till December and I have met my siblings, I am feeling very heavy inside. I regret thinking so negatively about them — believing they only cared about money and not about me. I don’t know how much they care, but the idea that they were only interested in money kept torturing me, and now I feel full of regret for having those thoughts…
“I realize how much pain and hardship they are living with. Now I feel my assumptions were wrong. I shouldn’t have thought like that. I feel extremely heavy inside, as if I became the worst version of myself. I feel like I disappointed myself, because that wasn’t who I am in my heart. I don’t know how I became so harsh. They did come to me for help, but I refused to support them financially because I thought they were using me like an ATM. Now the guilt is eating me.”-
The first time you talked about Guilt may have been Feb 2018 (under a different account, screen name: Princess123): “I am guilty because I know (boyfriend at the time) is very sensitive.. I just think how he is doing.. if he is hurting from this break up? I don’t want to hurt anyone”.
On May 6, 2020, in this account, you titled your first thread: “Guilty or not?” (the very first word in this account was “Guilty”).
You wrote in your first post as “Peace”:
“He (boyfriend at the time) made me feel so guilty I just wanted to cry at that moment.. I felt I’m the cruel person on this earth for doing this to him.. Now, I m just stressing out… Sometimes I just want to break up but then, the guilt start killing me..”
Fast forward five years, five months and 25 days (fast forward a marriage and a child), back to India, the place where you were born, where you grew up- and here’s the Guilt, back big time, eating you (“Now the guilt is eating me.”)
(I just read your most recent post, asking me to take my time).
Well, I am quite tired, peace, so, I’ll get straight to the point:
You are a good person, you care about doing the right thing by people. You are conscientious. You care about people: your family members and non-family. You care about me taking my time.
* You are not a bad person for having any of the thoughts that go through your mind, nor for the feelings that come and go.
There is a saying: “Hurt people hurt people” (I think I got the wording right, not sure).
Your mother, your sisters, cousins.. hurt themselves, proceeded to either neglect you or hurt you with critical comments and judgments.
They were so hurt/ neglected themselves.. they proceeded to neglect or hurt you.
And in al that going-on, all that massive neglect and abuse that you suffered growing up and onward, how could you have possibly turn out to be a perfect specimen of some kind, an unaffected human (thinking and feeling perfect thoughts and perfect feelings, not to mention choosing perfect action all the time). It’s impossible!
First, you are not responsible for the conditions you were born into, the prejudices, the poverty, the neglect and abuse that people suffered before you were even born.
Whatever you chose wrong in your past: forgive yourself, let go of regret and hold yourself accountable only for today, only for what you say and do today (not for yesterday).
This is what I do.
I suffered from more guilt than I can express in words. Much of it was for things and people I was born into (a baby is not responsible.. right, Peace?)
The fact that your sisters, or a few of them suffer, does not mean that they did not cause you unnecessary suffering, or that they will not do so in the future. Like I said: hurt people hurt people (until they hold themselves accountable each and every day).
I am sorry to read about your sister with the severely autistic child who is unsupported and mistreated by her husband, or your sister who wants to get pregnant but can’t, or the other abroad.
But remember, you are not responsible for their misfortunes or for their choices.
Be there for them, listen to them (if you can), be present for them. Don’t try to fix their problems, just be there for them, listening, empathetic. That’s all that you can do.. and it can make a positive difference, however small.
The Serenity Prayer says: “God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; the courage to change the things I can; and the wisdom to know the difference”.
I hope this helps.. a bit?
🤍🌿 Anita
anitaParticipantDear Peace: I read your post and see how distressed you are. I want to reread parts of our communication in regard to your family and get back to you within the next hour or two.
anitaParticipantDear James:
Thank you for your comment. You are welcome to join any conversation that I’m having.
You submitted the above six minutes after I submitted my new post to Peter, so I am guessing you didn’t read it. I think that it is really happening, me dropping Anita as a separate wave, one separated from the ocean (the Source, the Presence), and seeing others as separate waves as well. I think it’s happening.
“BE the LOVE. MUCH LOVE, Best Regards”-
Much love and best regards back to you 🙂
Anita
anitaParticipantDear Peter:
I will process your post from yesterday (quoting your words, responding, then reading the next part, responding, etc.), and then your post from today.
“I read your message slowly, as if we were sitting together in the quiet of early morning, letting the words rise and return.”-
I am sensing the difference between hearing or reading people’s words and seeing them as fixed, often threatening AND letting them “rise and return”. It’s a softening, a relaxing of the Fight or Flight response to perceived danger, danger perceived even in typed words.
“Presence.. (is) an experience that arises when thought returns to silence and stillness. This Presence doesn’t intervene or shield. It doesn’t rescue. It holds. Not with indifference, but with a stillness that remains even when everything else falls away.”-
Presence= Silence & Stillness (S&S).
When distressed, to not rush to intervene or shield or rescue (outward action), but to rest in S&S.
My inner monk is always meditating.”- one with Presence, silent, still.
“You asked if I would retroactively suggest transcending the ego to your younger self. No. I wouldn’t offer advice to her. I would sit beside her. I would listen. I would let her know her cry was heard.”-
Not rushing to intervene, shield, or rescue, but offer her your presence, showing/ modeling S&S.
“I want to pause and acknowledge something: I hear how deeply you’ve wrestled with silence, especially in moments of pain. I understand how that silence can feel like absence. And I’m not asking you to forget those moments, or to bypass them with spiritual language. They matter. You matter.
“When I speak of Presence, I’m not offering a solution or a fix. I’m pointing to something that doesn’t make it not so, but that holds what is. It’s not a God who intervenes in some magical way, but a stillness that remains. Not indifferent, but spacious. Not absent if quiet.
“It is in this space that something new might be born.. perhaps a something that transcends the past..”-
I want this Silence, this kind of silence.
“It’s not meant to be grasped by the mind, but remembered by the heart. And only when the heart is ready.”-
Ready to transcend the Fight or Flight lifestyle (ways of thinking, ways of reacting), to transcend that inside running in my brain/ body.. running and running with nowhere to go (thoughts, tics)
“… All I can offer is to sit beside you, in silence, and say: I hear you. And maybe, just maybe, that’s enough for now. Warmly, Peter
“I will not fix, nor mend the ache, but sit beside it, as morning breaks.
No answers come, no rescue calls, just breath between what stands and falls.
A silence not of absence made, but presence deep, where pain is laid.
So let the heart, when it is ready, remember what was always steady.
And if no words can ease the now, then let this hush be enough somehow.”-
My newly found inner nun is meditating on this.
I see now why you’ve been emphasizing going inward in many of your posts (different threads). That’s where you become one with Presence, Silence, Stillness, Source.. the ocean.
Today’s message:
“That was quite beautiful, Anita. A gentle rhythm of arising and return.”- Thank you. Gentle rhythm is new to me.
“Non-duality isn’t something to understand, it’s just a word pointing to what you’ve already felt. You surrendered not to an idea, but to the truth that the wave is never apart from the ocean. In that softening, there’s no need to define or divide. There’s only presence. Only flow. And in that flow, you can rest.”-
Resisting the flow.. the frenzied activity of the mind afraid, seeking solutions, offering solutions/ advice that wasn’t asked.. that’s the wave thinking it’s all there is, sad and alone and desperate.
“Your words yesterday stirred an image that visited me again last night: a memory, like yours, only of a young boy walking alone beneath the stars, whispering into the vastness, ‘Help me. PLEASE help me!’ And the silence answered with nothing. An old song that has never quite left.
“It wasn’t an ego’s plea, but the raw ache of loneliness and grief. That little boy had been taught that God was a noun, a fixed point, separate and distant, which only deepened the grief.
“But now, when such sorrow rises like the tide the prayer has softened. ‘G_d’ has become a verb, a rhythm I’m learning to move with. Not separate or distant, but a motion — present.
“Isn’t it strange how a shift so small, from noun to verb, can change everything. Language doesn’t just describe; it builds the walls and windows we look through. And most days, we don’t notice.
“Today, when the wave reaches shore or when it crashes into the rocks, I remember the invitation to return, again and again, to the ocean. A flow that has become home and prayer: Let me move with the rhythm, not grasping, not resisting. Let me be held, even when I forget the Ocean.
“And I rest, not as God, not as Devil but as a wave returning.
“Warmly, Peter”-
The old me would rush to fix the sorrow that rises like the tide, when it does, to fix the young boy walking alone beneath the stars.. perceiving the boy to be a separate wave out there and myself a wave a distance away.
The new me (the becoming part), all I can offer is to sit beside you, in silence, and say: I hear you. And you matter 🌅.
“PS – You were and are never an ‘only’ this or that. 🙂 The Sphinx spoke only once, and the Sphinx said, ‘A grain of sand is a desert, and a desert is a grain of sand; and now let us all be silent again’. – Kahlil Gibran”-
The inner nun is meditating on this 🙂. Thank you so much, Peter 🙏 🙏 🙏
Warmly, Anita
anitaParticipantHi Nichole 🙂
I just read a bit about Florida’s cold fronts, they follow the rainy season (May to October), begins in late October or early November, and continuing through winter, each typically lasting a few days, after which temperatures rebound to more typical Florida warmth.
Yes, it’s not good for any social animal, including humans, to be isolated. We are like a song says, “People who Need People”.
Interacting with people right here, in the forums, is part of it, as long as the interaction is sincere and quite spontaneous, like right here, as I type.. this is part of my social life.
If you’re living in or near Orlando, the weather forecast is clear skies and warming trend into the weekend, reaching highs in the upper 70s by Sunday 🙂
Anita
anitaParticipant“The separate self is like a wave forgetting it’s part of the ocean.”-
And the Ocean/ Source/ Presence/ Canvas is a no-label place, no good or bad.. it just flows
And in that flow.. in that flow, there is place for compassion, only it’s held loosely, allowing flow- not blocking it with definitions, rules & regulations
Softening, relaxing, surrendering to the ocean.
A surrender.. I feel the bit of it.
I am only a wave, I am not, not God = Ego.
Only a wave.. a relief. I can rest now..?
Not God, not Devil.. Just a wave.. Am I understanding non-duality, your non-duality, Peter?
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