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anita
ParticipantDear me: good to read back from you and that your father is home and has his appetite back. I will reply further tomorrow (Wed) morning.
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ParticipantSorry, own brand, own just once (typing from my phone)]
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ParticipantDear Peter:
So glad to get both of your replies. I am looking forward to process the first with my own own band of type 5 brain mode tomorow morning. Thank you for the Love-that in your 2nd post. Back tomorrow.
Anita
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ParticipantDear Peter:
1) Processing the quote: it begins by drawing a distinction between shallow happiness and deep, sustaining joy. Shallow happiness is described as a fleeting state that exists only in the absence of sorrow. In contrast, deep joy is described as an enduring state that can coexist with and even arise from sorrow.
Happiness is depicted as fragile and unable to withstand pain. When sorrow arrives, happiness fades away because it cannot endure suffering. Happiness can easily be disrupted by negative experiences. Joy, on the other hand, is described as a deeper, resilient state that can withstand negative experiences.
This suggests that joy is not just an absence of sorrow but a transformation of it. Joy is born out of the experience of enduring and overcoming sorrow, a transcendence from suffering to endurance. This means that through suffering, it is possible to develops the strength and resilience to endure challenges.
Endurance then transforms into character. This implies that enduring suffering shapes one’s character, instilling qualities like strength, resilience, and wisdom.
Finally, character gives rise to hope. The development of character through enduring suffering leads to a sense of hope and optimism for the future. The hope that emerges from this process becomes the source of deep joy. Unlike shallow happiness, this joy is not easily shaken because it is rooted in the strength and character developed through enduring suffering. This joy does not disappoint because it is not dependent on external circumstances. It is a sustaining, inner strength that can endure even in the face of grief and sorrow.
2) Personal reflection (when I refer to pain, I mean emotional pain mostly)- images appear in my mind in regard to this quote: a person crumbling under pain, falling to the ground, contracted, smaller. An image of a tree under the distress of drought, falling leaves, cracking, breaking branches, the tree smallest, minimal, so to survive the drought/ the suffering.
This is what happened to me and what I participated- unbeknownst to me- in the making: I became less, minimal, small, smallest. The logic behind this instinctive response to pain: the less there is of me=> the less there is to feel pain.
Being less means less pain on the short run. But on the long run, being less = less endurance. With less endurance, pain intensifies and continues on and on and on.
Transcending pain would then mean to get up from the ground, to get up and stretch, take air in and expand/ undo the contraction. It is a different position to pain: upward, expanded, strong.
My mistake, I now realize (for the first time) is that I remained contracted, minimal in the face of pain for way, way longer than such strategy is effective. This strategy increased and maintained my pain because there was not enough of me to endure it.
I was a prisoner of the same-old, same-old pain of my childhood+ for longer than half a century, frozen in place, minimal, a life suffocated by the fear of (the same childhood) pain.
It’s as if I was waiting the whole time for the pain to go away so that I can stand up, stand straight and dare to breathe/ to expand. It never happened and I remained on the ground being stared down by the pain, so to speak, while what I needed was to stand up and look it in the eye.
Transcending the fear of pain long- term then is a shift from minimizing myself so to feel less pain => maximize myself (add determination, resilience, strength, courage, hope) so to better be able to endure pain and enjoy the consequence of such endurance: joy as a way of life.
This reminds me of the chest-opener positions of yoga- expanding the heart, the shoulders, the upper back, undoing the common hunching over (contracted) positions of sitting. There is a sensation of power when I do every morning. I now need to do more of it, more expansion, opening myself to the experience of life from the position of strength and even hope, dare to hope.
As I said before, your thread is amazing to me, amazingly valuable. Thank you.
anita
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Participant* I submitted the above before I became aware of your recent post 5 min earlier. Will reply to the recent soon.
anita
ParticipantDear Peter/all:
This morning, I am quoting (not analyzing) Peter’s words here on the forums: Old (tiny buddha) Journal- things that pierce (my) heart, or mind today, and letting them sink in (I can see a valuable book published by you, Peter, copying from your tiny buddha posts).
Peter, May 27, 2016 (first post on tiny buddha): “The problem is that when most people talk about purpose, they are imagining something grand, something experienced with every breath we take… The reality is that purpose, like meaning, is a subjective experience and not something that exists in and of itself as a measurable objective experience. We do love to measure things, and you would think we would be better at it”.
Peter, Oct 4, 2016: “There is an art to forgiveness. Many feel that if they forgive, they are saying that what happened to them was ok and that they now must allow those who have hurt them back into their lives. But that is not so. Forgiveness can create the space for the wronged to move forward from the experience.
“For a word that is often used, it is surprising how little the word forgiveness is understood. Don’t let your heart harden and in hardening keep everything bottled up…
“Perhaps the difficulty in letting go of past experiences was in a way leaving you mentally and or emotionally constipated… What might life be like if your memories could freely flow through you without them overly influencing your present?”
Peter, Oct 12, 2016: “Each person is… more than the sum of their parts (and past) … It would be my hope that you realize that the memories of your past do not have to define the story of your experience today… We become the stories we tell, so tell a good one”.
Peter, Nov 28, 2017: “When I notice myself feeling anxious, I stop what I’m doing and take moment and remind myself that I am not my thoughts, I am not my memories/past, I am not my emotions. I am the observer of thoughts, memories and emotions. In this way space is created to take a breath and change perspective to what is happening around me allowing the experience to flow”.
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ParticipantDear Peter:
Just a little while ago, I felt that it is okay for me to keep the boundary with my mother (no contact) because I value myself and what I need for my well-being. I don’t need the hurt and anger to keep my boundary with her. Valuing myself/ my well-being is a good enough motivator. And it’s positive motivator, it doesn’t distress me (like the re-experience of hurt and anger does).
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ParticipantDear Peter:
Thank you for your heartfelt response. I’m glad to hear that my reflections resonated with you and helped clarify what you were trying to express. It’s truly a very meaningful dialogue for me, and I appreciate your insights and willingness to share these here.
Your reference to Hokusai’s words, “Life living through You,” and the concept of flow—being transparent to the transcendent—is striking a chord with me this morning:
“– Flow – Transparent to the Transcendent”- in this context, being “transparent” means being open and unobstructed. It suggests that ego, biases, and preconceptions (based on the past) are obstructing the experience of the present moment/ the Eternal Now.
Being transparent to the transcendent means that when I am fully engaged and immersed in the present moment (flow), I am open to and can experience higher states of consciousness or profound insights (transcendence).
“Buddha nature transcends duality and constructs… returning to stillness, silence, Love, non-duality – the Eternal Now, the source from which the experience arose”- being fully aware of the present moment, without obstructions/ distraction from past or future, promotes a sense of unity and interconnectedness with all things and a sense of inner peace, calm, and stillness.
Every present moment is seen as fully sufficient in itself, containing all the richness and depth of experience without needing to be tied to past or future moments.
Each moment holds infinite potential because it is not limited by time. It is experienced as a timeless essence.
Personally, I have been heavily obstructed by my past, living under a very dark cloud of past hurts, sadness and anger, jealousy and envy, a deep sense of injustice.
There is no way to find light under a dark cloud (beyond a moment here, a moment there, moments far in between). Got to transcend my past, to rise above it. To experience the Eternal Now.
This will need to be absorbed further, to be made a way of life in practical terms, my new way of life. You, Peter, presented this to me in a way that made it possible for me to perceive for the first time in my life. It is amazing to me!
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ParticipantDear Clara:
Thank you for sharing this update. It sounds like you’ve been navigating a lot of emotional complexities and doing your best to find clarity and balance.
It’s good to hear that you’re feeling emotionally ready for a new relationship, or comfortable with taking things as they come. It’s important to give yourself the time and space to let things unfold naturally.
Your situation with your colleague is indeed complicated. It’s commendable that you’ve recognized the red flags and the need for firmer boundaries. It’s also understandable that your attraction to her, the emotional support she offers at times, and the fact that she is a work colleague, all make it difficult to step back completely.
Earlier, you clearly communicated to her your interest and desire to take time to understand each other better, emphasizing the need for her to resolve existing issues first (her unresolved attachment to her ex/ present-partner). You showed her empathy and patience, and a willingness to support her during tough times, even if it complicates your emotions.
You are and have been emotionally aware and communicative about your feelings and intentions- with her, and here on your thread. You’re also cautious and reflective, recognizing red flags, and understandably demonstrating caution in proceeding with the relationship.
On her part, her on-and-off relationship and emotional turmoil indicate- as you know- instability and unresolved attachment to the ex-present-partner. This instability may be what’s leading her to seek comfort from others (you included), so to cope with her feelings of hurt, confusion, and distress.
During times of emotional distress, it’s common for individuals to seek out support and comfort from people. This helps to feel less isolated and more supported. Engaging in new relationships or close connections can serve as a distraction from the pain of the on-and-off relationship. By focusing on someone new, she might temporarily escape the emotional challenges she is facing.
But while seeking comfort from a new person might provide temporary relief, it doesn’t address the underlying issues or the emotional baggage from the on-and-off relationship.
When someone is still emotionally attached to an ex, their attention and emotional energy are divided. This can make it difficult for them to adequately invest in a new relationship as part of them is still focused elsewhere.
A new relationship formed quickly after a breakup can often be a rebound, where the primary goal is to fill the void left by the previous relationship. This type of relationship is typically less stable and may not be based on genuine compatibility. Therefore, before entering a new relationship, it’s important for individuals to heal emotionally and come to terms with the end of their previous relationship. This ensures they are ready to invest adequately and healthily in a new connection.
I’ve been experimenting with using poetry in my replies in the forums, and I wonder if the following may help you better communicate with her:
Poem for her: In Between the Lines
In moments shared, we’ve wandered close,
In couple-like exchanges,
In this grey zone, undefined,
Our hearts and minds were sometimes intertwined.We’ve talked, we’ve laughed, we’ve held so tight,
Yet boundaries blurred in the quiet night,
I see the care, the warmth you bring,
But also feel the hurt it stings.Your birthday passed, we spent the night,
You spoke of her, the endless fight,
She drains you, yet you can’t let go,
I struggle with this, can’t quite know.Your heart is torn, I clearly see,
Between the past and what might be,
I’ve tried to stand with patient care,
But find confusion everywhere.You said you’d help with simple things,
Like trimming nails for feline kings,
Yet plans fell through, commitments missed,
Between your tasks, our bond dismissed.You see me when it fits your day,
But making plans, you shy away,
I asked for time, a firm resolve,
Not “maybe” or “unsure,” absolve.I feel attraction, strong and pure,
Yet, no commitment, boundaries blurred
Make me unsure,I need to step back, find my ground,
To set a boundary, gentle, kind,
So, peace and clarity we find.Let’s take a step, a thoughtful pause,
To see the truth, to understand the cause,With respect and honesty,
We’ll find the way it’s meant to be.What do you think about this poem, Clara: does it resonate with you?
anita
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ParticipantDear Stacy, here is a poem just for you:
In the quiet hours of the night, a silent plea,
For rest, for peace, for tranquility.The walls are thin, the noise is loud,
Restless nights and weary days,
In search of solace, gentle rays.The need for space, a breath of air,
To dream, to rest, to find repair.
To find a place where sleep can mend.Oh, sister dear, can you not see,
The toll it takes, the pain in me?
A simple wish, a night so still,
To calm the mind, the heart to fill.With love, with care, let’s find a way,
To bridge the gap, to heal, to stay,
In harmony, where all can be,
Together, yet in unity.For in the quiet, hearts can mend,
And wounds of past begin to end,
Let peace descend, a gentle dove,
In the silent night, a sister’s love.(Yet moving out is the only solution I see, at this time).
anita
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ParticipantDear Stacy:
Thank you for sharing what’s been happening. It sounds incredibly frustrating and emotionally draining to deal with this recurring issue.
It’s clear that you’re doing your best to communicate your needs for quiet and sleep, which are entirely reasonable, especially given your work schedule. It’s also understandable that you feel exasperated and hurt when your attempts to address the problem are met with what seems like blame and passive-aggressiveness.
I can see how this cycle of confrontation, followed by immediate shutdown and cold shoulder, is triggering for you. It’s tough when someone close to you, especially a primary caregiver figure from childhood, responds in a way that feels punishing and dismissive.
You are not wrong for feeling the way you do. Your need for sleep and your desire for your own space are valid. Moving out to have your own space sounds like a healthy step for you, given the ongoing conflict and differing schedules.
I hope that, in time, you and your sister can find a way to communicate more openly and empathetically, respecting each other’s needs and boundaries. In the meantime, please take care of yourself and do what feels right for your well-being. Moving out is the right thing for you to do, I believe, if you can handle the emotions involved with moving out.
Wishing you peace and rest,
anita
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ParticipantDear Peter:
Thank you for your insightful and reflective message. I understand that you didn’t mean to invalidate my experience (and you didn’t), and I’m glad we’re finding the dialogue helpful.
Your reflection on my non-labeled version and the possibility of letting go of the need to retell the story is something I didn’t think about before you introduced the concept to me.
You wrote: “What I was questioning was, now that years have passed, if… I was retelling a old story’s then using that negative energy that would arise to maintain current boundaries. Realizing that boundaries that need the energy of anger and hurt to maintain might not be healthy boundaries”-
– What I understand (for the first time in my life!) is that there is a difference between healthy boundaries and unhealthy boundaries. Unhealthy boundaries are those that are based on a negative foundation, which is the ongoing, long-term emotional experience of hurt and anger. It is exhausting, and it keeps the person hurt and angry way after boundaries have been established, while the person is no longer in the situation where he/ she is disrespected or abused.
It means a life filled with hurt and anger that no longer serve to establish boundaries because such have already been established.
Healthy boundaries are based on positive foundations such as self-respect, personal value, and emotional well-being, rather than negative emotions.
So, what a person with healthy boundaries experiences on a long-term basis (after boundaries have been established and while they are maintained) is not hurt and anger, but self-respect and peace of mind.
Boundaries grounded in anger and hurt are emotionally exhausting to maintain. Healthy boundaries, on the other hand, are without constant emotional strain.
The idea is not to… not set boundaries, but to set boundaries that are not rooted in ongoing, long-term anger and hurt.
Part of the journey involves letting go of the old stories and the negative emotions (hurt and anger) they evoke. This doesn’t mean forgetting the past but rather processing it in ways that promotes personal growth.
Ongoing, long-term, chronic hurt and anger hinder personal growth, while ongoing self-respect, self-esteem and peace of mind promote personal growth.
So, as I retell my story with the hurt and anger, with labels that maintain the hurt and anger, I hinder my personal growth.
Healthy boundaries don’t require ongoing justification by retelling the stories with hurt and anger. The stories stand on their own merit and can be retold without the labels that maintain hurt and anger.
“Sadly, my journal clearly shows a tendency to hold on to the stories (with the labels) then using the anger and hurt that the labels created to maintain boundaries”- now I understand. This has been what I did my whole adult life… and I didn’t know it until this very morning. Now I know because of you, Peter.
“In the non-labeled version, I saw a person who did the work and created healthy boundaries that didn’t require any further explanation, exploration, justification, labels or re-telling. Bitter, as the hurt is and was real but sweet because, having emerged out the other side, better connected to the true self”-
– My true self is one that no longer lives under the dark cloud of hurt and anger, but one who sees the light come through and feel its warmth.
I am… I don’t have words to describe this newness of this in my mind and heart. It will take time to take it in further. Thank you is not saying enough. I hope you are not reading this before the weekend ends and I hope it’s a good weekend for you.
anita
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ParticipantContinued: In the shadowed years of yesterdays,
Where dreams lay silent, hidden in haze,
A soul once tethered, bound in sorrow,
Now dances freely into tomorrow.The clouds that cloaked the skies in grey,
Have drifted, yielding to the day,
Beneath the weight of guilt and strife,
Emerges now, a vibrant life.A playground waits, with open arms,
Where joy returns,
She runs, she leaps, she dares to feel,
A life reborn, a heart that’s real.A miracle, a tragic tale,
Of how through darkness, light prevails.anita
ParticipantContinued (a request to anyone who may be reading this: please do not respond. This is meant to be a journal entry):
What a journey this life of mine has been. It is difficult for me to state my age because I can hardly believe that I am this old. WHAT? Me, this old? NO WAY!!!
Why, how did I get to be this old, when I didn’t even get to be YOUNG???
I just arranged to listen to “When I was young”, by Glen Cambell: “Yesterday, when I was young… The thousands dreams I dreamed…
“Yesterday, when I was young, There were so many songs that waited to be sung, So, many wild pleasures lay in store for me… And youth at last ran out”- damn!
“Yesterday when I was young, there were so many songs that waited to be sung… There are so many songs in me that won’t be sung”-
– I am still alive, and I can sing because truly, I am younger now than I ever was since I can remember myself, how crazy: I get to be young when old, a tragedy? A miracle?
Ever since I remember myself, I was depressed and exhausted, a depressed and exhausted teenager- 20s- 30s- 40s- and on.
All my life was not about me, too guilty, too depressed TO LIVE.
I don’t have the words to describe…
Here I am, like a kid in a playground, with other kids, running toward others, toward the experiencing of life, feeling affection, attraction, a wanting, a desiring. LIFE.
My desiring of life knows no boundaries, it wants to explode and take over with no care for societal expectations and ethics… just to live before it all shuts down forevermore.
All my “life” was under a thick, dark cloud (my mother and all that caused her to be that cloud) that kept the sunlight away from me, hidden from me- just from me, so it seemed. It’s mind boggling, really. I see the light now, but what am I to do with it, or about it…?
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Participant* You are welcome, Helcat!
Dear Peter: I just read your FYI note about staying away from the computer on weekends- thank you for letting me know. I will reply further either tomorrow or on Monday. I hope that you are having a good weekend!
anita
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