Forum Replies Created
-
AuthorPosts
-
anitaParticipant
Dear Jus:
I wanted to reply to you today at greater length (I am using the boldface and italic feature in the following quotes):
“From the beginning, I am the one, who has cared and pushed more about a meeting in person. He used to have some not-so-convincing excuses to delay our meeting – like that he miscalculated his vacation days at work, and he ran out of them… I felt a bit let down…. We talked that day long, because he saw I got upset… In the next few days, we were supposed to agree on the date of the meeting, and then he told me about bad relations with his manager and new workplace issues, saying that it now endangers getting the day off at work (that he needs to take, to come over for a weekend). He seemed angry at his manager and willing to engage in a ‘war’ with them… he told me new excuses (as perceived by me) about wanting to choose later date, because of cheaper tickets. Eventually he said he asked at work for a day off, but he was refused… I felt severely disappointed – again, the same. I said that he broke his promise about meeting”-
– it seems like he has been truly unhappy in his workplace and that he truly considered/ considers relocating, but it seems to me that he lied in regard to most, if not all of his excuses, particularly the one right before last: he knew that you were emotionally invested in meeting him in-person for a long time, that you were disappointed and upset (angry) with him about not making such meeting possible, so to deflect your anger away from him, he went to war with his manager in the context of talking to you.
His message to you was something like this: don’t get angry with me, I really want to meet you in-person, but my manager (my enemy, our enemy) is making it impossible for me and you to meet: get angry with our mutual enemy, not with me!
“But now I have afterthoughts. I left him in those workplace troubles I know he has for sure (he had been mentioning his struggles at work earlier, before we started arranging the meeting), and as he confessed about his struggles, he deserves a helping hand. Also, I sense his fear about meeting may be the true reason (but he hasn’t admitted it). I feel guilty. But on the other hand, I know that if I forgive, without even hearing ‘sorry’ from him, I put myself in the position of someone, who allows bad treatment. It’s not been the first time, and he never said sorry’. Please help. Am I doing the right or wrong thing? How the situation looks like from the perspective of an observer? I am lost.”-
– his bad treatment of you consists of him repeatedly lying to you, and knowing that you have been your emotional investment in him (in a real-life relationship) for more than a year, he fed your investment, didn’t interrupt it, and didn’t tell you the truth for the whole time!
His lies (excuses) are clear, but what is the truth that he didn’t- but should have told you? Seems to me that his truth is that he is not interested in a real-life relationship with you.
I don’t think that there is a valid reason for your guilt. I think that the right thing for you to do is to grieve your hopes and dreams in regard to this man. I am sorry for your hurt…
anita
anitaParticipantDear Jus:
I read your original post attentively. You read like an honest, straightforward person; he reads like a wishy-washy person who sometimes tells you the truth, at other times, he doesn’t. Reads like he never told you the whole truth at any one time. Seems to me that this is his faulty character, sadly.
I wouldn’t contact him if I was you until and unless (like you told him), he arrives- in action, not in words- to your city to meet you in-person.
anita
February 2, 2024 at 1:27 pm in reply to: Telling the difference between gut and fear in relationships #427525anitaParticipantDear Seaturtle:
Reading from you just now made my Friday a happy Friday. I am looking forward (very patiently) to read from Meditative-State-Seaturtle!
anita
February 2, 2024 at 9:15 am in reply to: Recently broke up with my boyfriend, feeling guilty and sad #427516anitaParticipantDear Sina:
The OP in this thread posted three times June 29-July 1, 2014. Her situation that you identify with (“I’m in the same situation“) is that she broke up with her boyfriend of 1 year, a man she thought highly of, a “closest friend“, a man she thought would’ve been an amazing husband and father- because she didn’t feel excited about a life with him as a romantic partner, she felt claustrophobic within the relationship and wanted freedom. After wrestling with herself for a few months, she broke up with him. At first, she felt empowered but then she felt guilty for having hurt his feelings, doubtful about whether she did the right thing, angry and then sad that he didn’t want to remain friends.. and eventually (in her 3rd post) she felt okay with her decision to break up with him.
This is what she wrote on July 1, 2014 (I don’t think you read her 3rd and last post): “I miss both the companionship aspect of the relationship and him, I think, but I’m sure it would be easier if I had more to do to keep busy on weekends… I do feel like I loved him as a friend (and I do love my friends!) but obviously there are different kinds of love, and sometimes that is just not enough…. I’m feeling a lot more settled about it today“-
– In your post today (Feb 2, 2024), Sina, you asked: “Please tell me it gets better“. M answered you almost 10 years ago: yes, it gets better. For her it got better on the 3rd day of her thread. Please post again, if it helps.
anita
February 1, 2024 at 5:40 pm in reply to: I don’t know if I can support my partner’s mental health struggles #427501anitaParticipantDear Jim:
“She suffers from… PTSD, due to having a neglectful alcoholic father and a mother who was emotionally absent… it probably goes back to emotional absence at the very early stages of child rearing… she simply cannot control her fear of being left or abandoned for one reason or another and this results in long bouts of crying, screaming and abuse towards me. She calls it ‘blind anger’“- she is angry with her father and mother for having neglected her, and she keeps confronting them by proxy of you. She confronts you and punishes you for what they did to her (or didn’t do for her). This is the nature of abuse.
“Yesterday she told me all the intrusive thoughts came back because I didn’t return my arm around her when sleeping and she felt unloved“- she is trying to work through her childhood neglect .. through you. It will not work, especially if she is still in contact with any of her parents, repressing her anger at them and redirecting it, and expressing it at you.
anita
anitaParticipantDear Caroline:
“I can’t not beat myself up. I made a huge mistake“- being beaten up, you are more likely to make more mistakes, not less. If you want to make fewer mistakes, don’t beat yourself up and have empathy toward yourself instead.
“I do not have a life during a week. I only have work and sleep… I ruined my own life“- don’t ruin your life further by .. beating yourself up. I know how strong the impulse to .. be mean to yourself, but it’s a destructive impulse.
“All I do everyday is sit in my room in front of my computer. I am too tired in the morning and then I can’t leave till 10pm. I do not feel good“- this has to change, sitting in your room all day. Either you find a way to get out somehow, every day, or quit the job ASAP.
How about a few days break from the job for the rest of this week + weekend?
anita
anitaParticipantDear Caroline:
I will reply to you after my walk, but for now, in regard to: “so you’re saying it’s just my perception of this job? that it’s not that bad?“- yes, Caroline, this is what I am saying, and it’s a good thing that it is not even close to how bad you perceive it to be. I used to catastrophize too, like you do, seeing things way worse than they are.. I still have this tendency.
anita
anitaParticipantDear Caroline:
You are welcome. “I was a fool… Why did I did this to myself“- this is you beating yourself up.
“I believed a coworker who said his team was so much better, work is so great, people are so great..“- I am guessing that’s the coworker honest opinion about the team and management.
“I do not feel good here. I thought I would be respected here” – the not feeling good, not feeling respected, that’s your internal feeling that keeps following you wherever you go.
“They are all nice to me but I am not as passionate about work as they are. We do not have anything in common. And I think it’s stupid how excited they are about getting a project“- this is your alone/ isolated feeling inside you that follows you wherever you go, sometimes more in certain places and situations than in others, but it’s always there, isn’t it?
“I thought it would be different. I thought people would be different, work would be better“- like I always say, when we have very difficult childhoods, our negative childhood/ internal experience keeps following us.. wherever we go, and we feel the same. It takes heavy-duty emotional healing to experience life differently.
“I am afraid there is no way out of this“- you need a positive distraction right now, a walk outside or a hot bath..? (I am about to go on a walk)
anita
anitaParticipantDear Greenshade/ Maria:
“I am struggling right now at work… When I think of things that excite me -> travel/exploring, music, learning something new When I think of things that bring me peace -> nature, trees, quietness, solitude When I think of things that bring me fulfilment -> service, learning and talking about mental health things
“When I think of things that exhaust me -> work place politics, having to defend my ideas/work from credit hogs, routines imposed from the outside, being assigned tasks rather than choosing to take them on, other people’s dysregulated nervous systems–
– How about taking on a traveling non-routine, minimally political job outside of your home country and outside the whole region. You shared before that it is important for you to help your country and make it a better place, but that’s a very ambitious goal. Also, you said that your parents would be okay if you left the country.. so why not, why not live and work for yourself, for your own well-being..?
anita
anitaParticipantDear Caroline:
You are welcome, and do take your time. Thank you for the note.
anita
anitaParticipantDear Caroline:
You are welcome!
You would feel better if you weren’t beating yourself right now (“How could I make such a stupid decision…. Why did I do this to myself. Why do I make such stupid decisions“)- you are adding pain on top of pain when you do this.
It wasn’t a stupid mistake and you weren’t stupid for making a choice to accept this job.
“I feel hopeless“- because you think that you are not qualified to make good choices,, but it’s not true, it only feels this way.
I so wish (!!!) that you’d feel better, Caroline, starting with having some faith in yourself. I have faith in you!
anita
February 1, 2024 at 12:33 pm in reply to: I don’t know if I can support my partner’s mental health struggles #427479anitaParticipantDear Jim:
I just lost my reply to you that took me a couple of hours to put together, in the usual way I reply: quoting from you, responding, then reading what’s next, quoting and responding, etc. Since I already read and studied all of your original post, I will respond differently, and my reply will be shorter:
Most of the interpersonal abuse in our world is not carried out cold-heatedly, in a cool, planned, rational way. It is carried out in the heat of the moment, while the abuser is distressed.
(I am adding the boldface feature to the quotes): “She feels insecure in my opinion of her physically and emotionally and fears rejections SO much that it frequently (on average every 2 or 3 weeks) leads to an event where she simply cannot control her fear of being left or abandoned for one reason or another and this results in long bouts of crying, screaming and abuse towards me. She calls it ‘blind anger’, says it rarely happened before me… I’m a very placid and nonconfrontational person, patient and gentle“-
– Seems to me that these are abusive events where she could control her fear but chooses not to, because her abuse is about controlling you so that you don’t leave her. She chooses to express her (not so blind) anger with you because you are placid and non-confrontational, patient and gentle.. so you are safe for her to.. explode.
“and she always feels regretful and remorseful afterwards“- in line with the pattern of abuse.
“Our therapist has identified that the strength of our relationship and how right I am for her has probably opened up deep trauma for her”– I think that your therapist is wrong, and that it is not the strength of the relationship that opened up her deep trauma. I think that it is the fact that you accept her abuse non-confrontationally that is giving her the opportunity to express herself in these ways, feeling safe enough- with you- to do so.
“Our therapist has also explained to me how the void created during these moments of abandonment can be total, all consuming and utterly petrifying- the person ultimately does not exist in these moments- it’s far worse than anxiety, it’s something else entirely- something most of us could never really relate to“- reads like the therapist is suggesting that she is not in control of her behavior during those events of “blind anger”, as if these are psychotic episodes in which she is not aware at all of what is happening.
Are these events happen only in private, not in public… or does she explode regardless of who might be witnessing her explosions? I am guessing it’s the former.
“I recently responded, smashed my phone and upturned a table- the most outwardly frustrated I have become about anything, maybe in my whole life. I would never under any circumstances be violent towards her or anyone though. The way these events unfold is that her anxiety begins to pick and pick away at me and not let me go, demanding answers to unanswerable questions to try and pacify herself, even though that is unachievable. I try to keep calm but I am often goaded into saying things I don’t mean, which are then fuel to the fire”-
– it is she who is picking and picking away at you and not letting you go, it is she who is demanding answers to unanswerable questions, etc., it is she who is abusing you, and you reacted out of your character because of her abuse.
“How do you love someone who is (I’m sorry to say it, but she uses the term herself frequently) so broken, and protect and allow yourself to flourish?…Almost every day there is something low level upsetting, if not major. Yesterday she told me all the intrusive thoughts came back because I didn’t return my arm around her when sleeping and she felt unloved…. Every time we have a major incident I feel weak and want to end things… I wonder whether the next time will be the time that I break“- her abuse is weakening and breaking you. You live as if on a minefield, never knowing what word that you say or fail to say, what act, however innocent, will bring about her explosion.
“She has told me she feels worthless at times and wants to end her life. A couple of times she has threatened to harm herself if I walk out of the door“- threatening self-harm and suicide is a manipulative tactic practiced (in the heat of the moment) so to prevent you from leaving her.
“I have horrible positive feelings sometimes about the relief I would get from it coming to an end. If I knew she would be okay, even in the relatively short term, I think I would end things“- her manipulative tactics have been successful so far. And I am thinking, she has no motivation to be okay because.. if she’d be okay, she’d lose her control over you, and you’d leave her.
“Today we went to look at a house with a view to move in together because her lease ends in March. It’s a big step obviously. I feel so unsure of what we both might be getting into“- you’d be deeper in a trap.
“I need hope that things will get better, but I don’t know if I feel it or it’s possible. I try to encourage her to think positively but even that seems something she can’t commit to”- for the relationship to work out, she will have to acknowledge that she has been abusing you, she will have to commit to never abuse you again, no matter how she feels. She’ll have to practice emotion regulation skills better, every day and protect (not abuse) you and the relationship.
anita
anitaParticipantDear Worldofthewaterwheels:
You are welcome!
“I know I need a councilor to speak to, somewhere to go and talk about all these difficulties. But I’m still scared to pick the wrong one and to be stuck despairing in that… I just contacted another therapist, so hope there is some news this time. I really need to get some support from somewhere“- I hope that the therapist you contacted a couple of hours ago will be able and willing to help you!
“Up till now I’m just strong on the outside and fighting constantly a losing battle inside… The main issue right now is the feeling of panic, anxiety and fear… my mother has no words of support for me.. She will in fact find ways to tell me off and make me feel worse“- better not turn to her for emotional support.
A daily routine of aerobic exercise and of listening/ watching calming guided meditations (topic: Mindfulness) can help with the feelings of panic, anxiety and fear.
“There are times when you just want someone to hear you out, for them to tell you something that will calm you“- You are welcome to express yourself here, every day, and I will do my best to hear you. I hope that other members will hear and reply to you as well.
“My sister just recently bought an expensive property last year) they are doing amazingly well because where they live the income is relatively good (in USA)… I do care for them and want them to do well but it hurts sometimes that I never have any good news of my own… the work I am most experienced in is currently oversaturated with new competition, soaring prices going up and taxes… There’s competition from other countries that charge even less for their highly qualified work… I’m too old to start at the bottom… I think what is truly exhausting is when you ARE trying your hardest.. and its just NOT WORKING OUT. And then you see someone else, who may or may not have your same situation, and things just pop up for them…like fortune cookies, and they are suddenly ok again. This is why I get to the point where I think, something in the universe is deadest again me having anything“-
– I remember a time I felt similarly to you, feeling like The #1 Loser in a an ongoing Competition with an endless number of people more successful than I was. At one point in this mental torment, I took myself OUT of the competition by accepting the fact that I indeed failed in all the areas I failed in.. and accepted it. In accepting this defeat- following some time- much needed peace-of-mind replaced the ongoing mental torment.
In that measure of peace of mind, I was able to see other people better, and to my surprise, I could see that so many of the people I thought were happy.. were not. I could see that all that time when I was in torment.. I was not alone. So many people who are materially successful have their own reasons to be miserable.
So, perhaps the fortune cookie is about you no longer trying your hardest within the Competition, but instead: taking yourself out of the Competition?
anita
anitaParticipantDear Going Through Life:
You are welcome! “I agree with you but how should I deal with this?… I want to be ready for the future”, you wrote in regard to pushing away love because of fear. My answer for now: (1) become more aware of this dynamic within you, of wanting love on the one hand, and being afraid of it on the other. Get to know yourself more, get further educated in this regard.
(2) Develop emotion regulation skills so that when you feel distressed- in the future, when in a relationship- you will be able to calm yourself down and think rationally about the situation, correctly evaluate it before impulsively reacting to it, and make thoughtful choices.
In regard to not accepting her love, you wrote: “I never blamed myself for this… But still I am filled with regret and resentment, thinking things could have been different. How should I deal with this natural response of mine? and how should I let go of this regret?”-
– To attempt to answer these questions, I need to understand the resentment part of your natural response in regard to not having accepted her love. There is anger in resentment: who were you angry with, in this context, and what was your anger about?
“My emotions were always numbed with SK”- this seems incongruent with what you shared in your original post about the relationship with her: “It was a very passionate and lovely relationship, from the start we were really close.. the first months were really awesome.. I also fell head over heels for her“- this doesn’t read like numb emotions on your part. Can you help me understand?
“I refused to say I love you to her many times, I was scared, I burst out with anger sometimes too”- Again, I would like to understand your anger better: what was it about, at the time?
“But deep in my heart I felt all those emotions fully. I regret not expressing myself to her in the moment. I think I was also scared of not getting to explore more… I had FOMO“- … and I would like to understand your fear-of-missing-out better: missing out on what exactly…?
“Maybe I was not okay with the emotional dependence she brought in the relationship, because I was never emotionally dependent on anyone since I was young. I never sought emotional dependence apart from the times when I was bullied and cried in front of my father“-
– when you sought emotional help from your father (acting emotional dependent on him, in that one time), after having been bullied in school, when you cried in front of him… how did he react? Did he shame you for crying?
When SK sought emotional help from you, acting emotionally dependent on you, did it make you angry that she is.. allowing herself a privilege that was denied from you: the privilege to act weak, dependent?
“Another experience to add, when I was young, I think around 8 years old, my bigger sister and mother got into an argument which ended with my mother choking me for a few seconds”- would you like to elaborate on that experience, what happened after those few seconds…?
anita
anitaParticipantDear Renn:
Thank you for the two examples: the first was bamboozingly positive- you helped your friend pause before making rash decisions and consider her boyfriend’s intention and the need for improved communication. (I would have loved to have you as my friend when I was a teenager/ 20+… 30+ 40+ )!
The second example: I wish your mother considered your mature and wise advice. She is older than you.. but you are wiser than her (in regard to the example you gave, at the least).
You are a good person- your intent is to help your sister and your mother!
“He can be really moody sometimes and I’m not going to lie, it just really gets on my nerves. it doesn’t even make me sad it just really makes me angry. I’m worried that my Ex who moved away will always have something over me, because he made me feel SO comfortable at the start“-
– (1) watch for idealizing your ex because of experiencing discontent with the current boyfriend. Remember that you felt so comfortable with the ex AT THE START, not later.
(2) I am not surprised that moodiness angers you, being that you are as practical as you are and not into overthinking and ruminating. I was just wondering: is your boyfriend moody similarly to how your mother (may be..?) moody?
anita
-
AuthorPosts