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anitaParticipant
Dear Pandanator:
You are welcome! “He does seem to come from a family that will judge others easily“- I came from such family myself. My mother was very, very judgmental, that was her #1 trait, and so, I didn’t have the .. space to make (what was in her eyes) mistakes because she didn’t tolerate my mistakes and punished me for them. I lived in distress, fearing the next mistake, repeatedly resolving that “from now on, I will be perfect; from now on I will make no mistakes” but I failed every time. Living like that was like holding my breath in, too scared to exhale.
“It is something that is foreign to me as I was raised the complete opposite where my mother always encouraged me to look at life through various angles“- my mother allowed only ONE angle, her own angle, no other angles allowed.
“Also do not worry about being late! We all have lives and priorities. It is very kind of you to offer advice to others during your own spare time“- this is very kind of you to add this, to.. give me space to be late/ to make a mistake. So, in communication with you.. I can be relaxed enough to exhale (unless I inaccurately project my mother into you).
“I had never known that projection was a thing. It an interesting perspective that I think can help me analyze my own life as well. I maybe had been projecting my own emotions during the entire time without knowing it“- we all project our emotions all the time, it’s healthy and normal when our projections are accurate-enough. For example: when you see someone in pain and you feel sorry for them, it’s because you felt pain before, it felt badly for you, and you assume (project) that the other person experiences pain similarly, as something that’s bad.
Problem is when our projections are not accurate at all. For example: when my mother looked at me silently (just looking at me without saying anything), I knew there was trouble coming, that she was going to punish me. Fast forward, far away from her, when I notice that someone is looking at me silently.. I feel distressed, angry, like the person is thinking negative things about me and I am about to be punished. This has always been- that I remember- an inaccurate projection.
In your original post, you wrote: “The relationship was quite toxic… I ended up just blocking him from contacting me as I don’t want to get hurt again but I do feel very guilty over that”- do you know why you feel or felt very guilty for blocking a toxic person.. or is it that part of you believes that you are the toxic person?
anita
October 16, 2023 at 2:49 pm in reply to: Telling the difference between gut and fear in relationships #423441anitaParticipantDear Seaturtle:
You are very welcome!
“I am learning about myself that I desire the self improvement, but it is something I need to take a break from on weekends so that I am not constantly in my head thinking. So I will likely not respond on weekends, just to let you know“- thank you for letting me know, I appreciate it (and you know the reason!)
I read your post and I want to re-read it and reply when I am more focused- tomorrow, Tues morning. Have a good rest of Monday!
anita
anitaParticipantDear M:
Your post is a powerful testimony of childhood trauma, valid anger and transformation, expressed so authentically.
“He has affected and tainted, insert inappropriate word, every aspect of my life. And it angers me. And that I’m still suffering, angers me. I’m taking this anger and using it. It has transformed into my purpose.
“My purpose is not to live in fear. Me purpose is not to trapped by my past, memories, pain, fear, and just everything. I refuse to live like this. I have purpose. I am going to heal so that me, my family, and life overall will be better. He is literally rotting in prison, and figurately I never should have been imprisoned with him. I have the key and I’m never going back in. I have purpose”-
– POWERFUL. Positively Powerful. Thank you for sharing this and please post again, share more, inspire those who read your words with your purpose, courage and determination…?!
anita
anitaParticipantDear Pandanator:
You are welcome and thank you for being here!
“It has been extremely stressful with one thing after another, a potential cancer“- has cancer been ruled out?
“I tend to try to believe that everyone deep down is a good person“- everyone deep down is a good person, but in too many people (and 1 is too many), that good-person deep inside is trapped, mute and powerless, deep inside a bad person. (am not saying that he is a bad person)
I am the one adding the boldface feature selectively in the following quote: “Based on the conversation, he seemed to be confused.. The whole relationship he was just very confused and was a hot/cold person. He would be super happy to see me one day and then a week later seemed like he wanted nothing to do with me and was always judging me”-
– seems to me that he had a parent who unexpectedly changed from good (affectionate, supportive) to bad (hostile, abusive) and he projected that parent into you, shifting from seeing you as good (and responding to his perception of you as good by being super happy to see you, acting hot), and seeing you as bad (and responding to his perception of you as bad by acting like he wanted nothing to do with you, acting cold).
His confusion may very well be about who you are, good or bad, friendly or hostile; a confusion that’s a result of his projection of a parent into you, and therefore not being able to clearly see who you are. It is very common for a person to project a parent into a romantic partner.
“I do feel very guilty over blocking him as I do believe he is a good person… he was super friendly the week before when I snapped and told him to stop playing games… All I can think is I am probably not as good as the other girl he ended up with”-
– think, if you will, that he was possibly projecting an abusive parent into you, and his behavior was not .. about you. If I am correct, then he will do a similar kind of projection into his new girlfriend.
“I do tend to be a chronic overthinker and an anxious-attachment person. It is something I want to work on. I am really trying not to think about the whole thing but it is quite an enigma“- an enigma that can be solved if you knew about his childhood. You know how your childhood is powerful in your current, adult life (causing your chronic overthinking and anxious attachment style), do you..? Same about his childhood.
What do you think?
anita
anitaParticipantI am sorry being late, Pandanator. I will reply soon.
anita
anitaParticipantDear Andromeda:
* I am adding this comment after putting an hour and a half into this post and realizing that I am not close to completing it. Please take your time reading this, perhaps over hours or a few days, because parts of it will be distressing to read (if you choose to read it). It is not in me to say just anything, whatever may make you feel better for a moment. I only say what I honestly believe to be true because I find some longer-term refuge in learning and knowing what is true. Here is my post:
You are welcome. On Thursday morning, October 5, you- out of the blue- “heard/felt him say to me that he had done horrible things and couldn’t cope with his emotions anymore“. You found out that evening that he was no longer alive.
For five days (Oct 5-Oct 10), you “felt his presence strongly.. sensed huge regret“, and then you “saw a strong bright light surround him, I knew somehow that he was moving on to his next life“.
“He was special, very popular, funny, intelligent, spiritual, quirky, his friends and family described him as a beacon of light“.
(I am adding the boldface feature selectively in the following quote and will comment on them next): “I can’t cope with this pain and guilt. I loved him so much. I let him down… he started not answering my messages, I never tried to ring him, left it to my sister and his Mother. I let him slip away, too consumed with my own problems, I was going through a very difficult time and struggling with depression…. he had been prescribed all sorts of medication, which he was stopping and starting. He was also due to have an mri because he had numbness and pain in his legs. He thought he had MS… the weekend before he took his life, his friends he had been sharing a house with, which he called family, all left him to move into another property. He was left on his own. Abandoned again… My sister and Mother had been sending him money. They finally told him that they couldn’t keep sending money, that he needed to come back. I sent a message offering to stay with me or in a caravan. He didn’t answer but Why didn’t I phone him. He said to my other sister that he didn’t want to come back home, said he would rather kill himself…”-
– my thoughts this Monday morning: (1) what happened first is that he started not answering your messages; what happened second was that you didn’t ring him. I imagine, based on what you shared in your original post (“I struggle with my mental health and my negativity pushes people away. My presence has no positive affect on people so Over the years I’ve become a recluse”) that when he stopped answering your messages, you thought that he stopped because your negativity pushed him away and that contact with you had a negative affect on him, and so, your motivation was to protect him from your perceived negativity/ negative affect, to protect the person you loved so much.
“My last message to him was to encourage him to come home for a while to get his head straight, I offered to put him up… I sent a message offering to stay with me or in a caravan“- this is a huge offer that you made to him, an offer to help him at a time of great need.
“I sent a message offering to stay with me or in a caravan. He didn’t answer, But why didn’t I phone him“?- I am guessing that you didn’t phone him because you were no longer in the habit of ringing him (after he stopped answering your messages). When we get used to a certain way, it’s difficult to change it; we are creatures of habit.
And perhaps you were afraid to hear his pain, if you were to talk to him. It is very, very difficult to hear the pain in the voice of someone we love so much, particularly one we loved as a child, knowing him- or her- as the innocent, pure trusting young child.
(2) About “I let him down“- If you look at a very small part of the whole/ big picture then.. yes, you let him down. I am not saying this lightly as I myself have let someone very important to me down, someone much younger who looked up to me as a child, and I too felt so very guilty about it. Please keep reading as I explain the big picture that is evident to me:
We humans have let each other down, failing each other, for thousands of years, from parents and other adults failing the children under their care to leaders and persons in positions of power failing the millions and billions of people who have no choice but to live (and die) under their power. It’s been going on from one generation to the next for too long, and it’s coming to a boiling point, almost literally (climate change).
Those in positions of power, financially and politically, are not bothering to read this post or to hear the cries of the millions of people suffering. They are too self-centered and selfish to care or to give up their power.. no matter what. You and I are two out of billions of people on the same boat, without power to change the current global reality. We can only do what we can do: help who we can help, in whatever way we can, beginning with the Buddhist principle of Do-No-Harm to others.
We .. who need help, need to help others: this is how we can transcend our personal weakness and impotence and become strong in the midst of this current global great distress, which includes your nephew’s (past) distress and that of many millions.. including our own.
“I let him down“- and so did his mother, and his father, and his other aunt and the health professionals who prescribed him with medications and maybe neglected to follow through with treatment, professionals who could have done more.. and his friends perhaps who moved away and so forth, and many more. And then the numbness and pain in his legs added to the mix, and lack of money.
You wrote: “I can’t cope with this pain and guilt“-I share your pain, and I suffered from Guilt for decades.. You are not alone. Like I wrote earlier in this message, we all failed each other. Lots of people failed you, lots failed me , and here we are. Question is: how do we proceed as individuals- and together (here in this public forum)?
“I feel as though I’m drowning and Feel that my life will now be left in more darkness…I saw a strong bright light surround him, I knew somehow that he was moving on to his next life… He was.. a beacon of light“-
– what if his spirit sent you a message: to let his light into your darkness, into mine, into that of anyone who may be reading your thread, and individually, and together- wherever, whenever possible- we can transcend our individual impotence and help each other in any way we can…?
anita
anitaParticipantDear Blue:
“I feel my issue so small to other major problem out there like Israel- Palestine war”- this war is in the forefront of my mind, and you are the first member who mentioned it (as far as I know); thank you for acknowledging it’s significance.
“YOU are such a very attentive person and have a very good memory”- thank YOU!
“I feel so ashamed at this age(40) I still struggle with so many problems to find things that people at my age already have; but that’s the reason I find you and Tiny Buddha”-
– I wish you didn’t feel ashamed at all: you don’t deserve to feel this painful emotion (shame). You are far from being the only person anywhere with many problems at 40 (or 60.. or at any age). This world we live in is a deeply and massively troubled and problematic world, so, no wonder we have many problems. Your problems are Our problems, We share them.
“I am not be pleased by my boss though I am a very effective and clever staff. In other words, she is not happy with my talents and put me in boring research position while my major in import-export. SO I have a lot of free time for many years”- it’s a mismanagement on her part to not put your talents into good use.
Mismanagement is a global theme, from insides homes to companies such as the one you work for.. to countries and the world at large. Oh.. what a different place the world would have been if it was managed well…
“My parents are too old for me to go away from them to follow my dream; SO I choose to accept and try to adjust myself… and would like to come here again to see if there is any group or person to join in sharing about meditation or personal development method, as I think this is a very healthy and helpful place, especially there is you, thank you”-
– You are welcome and thank you for being here and communicating with me. I wish you were able to follow your dreams. You are welcome to post again anytime and share your thoughts and feelings. I would like to read from you anytime, and reply.
anita
anitaParticipantDear Luna:
Thank you for getting back to me, for your good wishes, for focusing on the positives and for being otherwise kind to me and to others.
“the importance of personal development and having an open heart and mind to the life lessons… As for the point that has been raised throughout our interactions on intellectualizing emotions. I realize that everyone is prone to doing that at some point as we learn to better process our emotional world and even make the most of it in our real world”-
– After I submitted my last post to you on Sept 30, I read posts that you submitted in early October and I realized that your language was spontaneous and emotions were not intellectualized.. so I was wrong, I knew then, and wanted to let you know but waited until- and if- you get back to me. So, you did get back to me and what you expressed in the quote above is my opportunity to learn a life lesson, here it is (developing my thoughts as I type):
I tend to get laser focused on one element of the big picture and therefore, not see the big picture. I noticed the element of intellectualizing emotions in your early posts, and focused on that element. In my communication with you, I did not consider that everyone intellectualizes emotions to one extent or another (not just Luna.., not just me), and I did not consider the possibility that this element is not permanent, that it is fluid instead, depending on you warming up to certain people, or feeling less awkward perhaps to post on a public forum.
I am wondering about the reason for this lifelong tendency, and what comes to mind is the image of a child trying to find stability on shaky ground where unpredictability/ capriciousness/ instability/ changeability rule. So, the child adjusts to this by looking for and focusing on whatever can be perceived as permanent and stable. Or, in other words, the child needs to see permanence, so she sees permanence. While being laser focused on permanence, changeability is a blur.
Thank you for teaching me this life lesson. I am now more capable than before- because of you- to see the bigger, fluid picture. Quite amazing… It is possible for me to learn this lesson (it will be work in-progress to continue to learn it) because you presented it to me kindly, gently.. not rudely or harshly- another lesson to further learn.
anita
anitaParticipantDear Pandanator:
I am looking forward to attentively read and reply to you Mon morning, in about 12 hours from now.
anita
anitaParticipantDear Andromeda:
I read your 2nd post, still- heartbreaking. Your pain is immense. I want to re-read and reply Mon morning when I am more focused. Will be back to you in about 12 hours from now.
anita
anitaParticipantDear Pandanator:
You mentioned recent health issues, are you okay now, physically?
“I ended up just blocking him from contacting me as I don’t want to get hurt again but I do feel very guilty over that”- this means that part of you thinks r feels that you shouldn’t have blocked him, that it was the wrong thing to do.
“Is there anyway to help stop this overthinking cycle? I don’t understand why he even bothered in the first place”- I overthink when I don’t understand what and why, so I think this possibility, and then I think that possibility.. and end up overthinking. Maybe if you share more about the relationship (when you are in a calm state of mind), I can help you get the clarity that you don’t have now (or didn’t at the time you posted)..?
Confusion=> Overthinking; Clarity=> Calm
anita
anitaParticipantDear Andromeda:
I am so sorry for your huge loss, and I am sorry that your nephew suffered so much.. so very sorry. It is heartbreaking.
He was found this last Thursday, Oct 12, three days ago? And on the night of Oct 12, you had a vision/ feeling about his spirit entering the next life. Can you tell me more about the vision you had..? And how are you feeling today?
anita
anitaParticipantDear Chris:
I hope that as you are reading this reply, you are feeling better than you did at the time you wrote your original post..? And I hope that she is okay.
At the time, I read all your posts in your 11-page first thread (March 9-Aug 4, 2023) titled My depressed girlfriend left me. You started that thread with: “My girlfriend of about 9 months who I genuinely thought was the one, and told me she felt the same just left me a week ago” (March 9). Fast forward (Oct 13), she just broke up with you yet again, and you want to get back with her.. yet again. History repeats itself, doesn’t t?
Since I read all your posts and communication on your first thread, maybe I can be of some help to you in no longer repeating this relationship history…?
anita
anitaParticipantDear Robyn:
I saw and read your thread for the first time today, otherwise I would have replied much earlier. How are you doing now, nine days after you posted the above? Better, I hope..? Reading what you shared.. your father’s despicable behavior, for one, makes me very sad. I hope to read more from you soon.
anita
October 14, 2023 at 6:37 am in reply to: Telling the difference between gut and fear in relationships #423102anitaParticipantDear Seaturtle:
“How did you begin to see yourself?“- I think that you mean how did I begin to see myself as I truly am (not as I saw myself in the distorted mirror presented to me early in life by my mother). I think that the beginning was in my first experience of quality psychotherapy back in 2011. Aaron (my therapist at the time) asked me questions with an open mind and an open heart.
You know how people ask questions and don’t even wait for an answer (ex. How are you?) Or they ask out of politeness or as a conversation starter, so to talk about things that interest them.. or when you give an answer and people feel awkward and move on to something else..? Aaron asked because he wanted to know what I think, what I feel. He didn’t express any emotion (awkwardness, impatience, annoyance, etc.) that blocked me from expressing myself. He was able to take in my answers in a welcoming, patient and curious way. It was the opposite of being unseen, dismissed, ignored, etc.
“I feel that same impulse to let people know they have been heard…I still do this and even feel unsettled to let a text message go without responding”- I totally relate.
“My dad felt unseen and would internally accuse me of not seeing his pain and empathizing with him, all because little to my knowledge his insecure self needed me to literally tell him he was seen. I literally began to do this for him, he would say he felt I was ungrateful for what he did for me, so much that I started to send him random texts like ‘I love you’ ‘I am thankful for all you do’… hyper-aware of how he was feeling”- parent/ child role reversal: he presented himself to you as an insecure child who needed a mother, and you accommodated him, best you could.
“This is probably one of the reasons you chose my thread..”-I read your first thread back in late July when you started it (I was a Guest at the time, not a Participant) and I was curious about you. I was also saddened at the time that you received angry replies. I chose to post in this thread, your second, after I read the word trauma mentioned by you, as in childhood trauma.
“It is so interesting that you bring up the mirror metaphor… and it made me wonder about my own mother… She was deeply empathetic which I appreciate seeing in the mirror, but she was also very insecure. I don’t think she knew who she was, and was insecure in group settings..”-
– growing up, you had an insecure father and an insecure mother. In my mind’s eye, I see the mirror facing the girl that you were: I see her unsteady on her feet because she has no solid ground to stand on. Or depend on. A child needs strong, secure, solid parents (not that many exist; nonetheless, a child needs what a child needs).
“Wow, what you said about your mother and long tirades about how you don’t care for her, as if you were out to get her, like she was paranoid. This is so hard, dealing with a parent with trust issues that they project onto you is so unfair”- thank you.
‘I would cry every time my dad would go on this tirade, because I am someone who cares so deeply for people, so that he accused me of the opposite made me feel so lost, made me wonder if I knew myself at all. I wonder if this created self doubt in you? and how you overcame/ are overcoming this self doubt?”- I suffered from excruciating Guilt most of my life, feeling like I was a bad person and I lived a life accordingly, a life that a bad person deserves, ex., I spent little of my money- as an adult- on myself so that I could give her as much money as possible so to compensate her for having such a terribly disappointing daughter.
“My dad to this day still very often misinterprets what I do and who I am and it hurts every time, he thinks I am selfish and is probably why I have fears of being selfish or narcissistic…”- emotionally, he is stuck in the narcissistic development stage of childhood, toddler age: me! mine!
I too had a toddler for a parent.. A BIG, dangerous toddler.
“I find myself… cleaning up after myself hyper-vigilantly, making sure YOU are seen, then why shouldn’t you have to be too… Like he will leave a mess at my apartment, something I would be way too self conscious to do at his house and I have to actively stop myself from resenting that he feels the freedom to do those things and I cannot live with it. As if I wish he had the same anxieties as me… but I also don’t wish this upon anyone, so maybe I just wish he could at least empathize my internal torment”-
– the girl that you were hyper-vigilantly cleaned etc., so to please the.. BIG, Dangerous Toddler (BDT), so that he doesn’t throw a tantrum and shake the ground you were standing on. A child on shaky ground does not have the freedom to do anything; the focus is either on preventing the ground from shaking, or on stopping the shaking once it started.
Fast forward, as an adult, emotionally you mistaken your partner for your BDT, and part of you is angry at him for not suffering like you, for… not having had his own BDT to grow up with and react to.
“I would love for this to be a continual conversation, one of my fears is being stagnant in self improvement, but I can feel how effective this conversation is for me, and I hope you are benefiting from it as well?”- yes, t is benefiting me as well, thank you. I’ve been using these forums (since May 2015, every day, with a break from Feb to Aug this year) for the purpose of self improvement and so can you!
anita
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