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anitaParticipantOh, dear Confused (I feel close to you as I read your words this Sun night đ, here).
You say you were disconnected from your mother/ parents since you were 23. But before 13, those 13 years of connection did not disappear.
The feeling of not knowing the person you felt close to before (coming to think about it, it’s like- at 13- not knowing your mother anymore, no longer feeling close to her.)
From my experience, it took me Reconnecting to the real life (childhood) experience (which I did my best to disconnect from).
Since I reconnected, got to feel what I did my best not to feel (love for my mother), my feelings for others are quite consistent.
So, yea, the feeling of not knowing those I felt close to before.. yes, it did go away.
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anitaParticipantHey Dear Confused:
Like you don’t even know her.. I know the feeling!
For me, F was it (and I imagine it’s in addition to A and D).
For me, my early life experience was so powerful no matter how much and how long I avoided addressing it- it was, still is powerful.
You didn’t share, and it’s okay if you don’t.. what did your mother die of, what happened, how was it for you?
đ Anita
anitaParticipantAbout fish đ oil, I am serious about it- it made a huge difference to me mentally. It’s brain- food.
I eat a can of sardines (high quality) in olive đŤ oil each and every day.
Try it, you don’t need a prescription for it.
đŤđđ§ Anita
anitaParticipantDear still Confused đ:
What I am thinking about something lacking from within you?
Let me put it in a multiple choice test question format (I am having a bit of fun with this)
Q: __?__ is lacking from within me.
Please fill in the blank with one, none, or any combination of the following:
A. Courage to move to a new country.
B. Courage to commit to a real-life, long term relationship.
C. Acceptance of who I am; the good, the bad and the ugly (so to speak, you may have nothing bad or ugly đ about you)
D. Courage to risk rejection.
E. A vitamin, a mineral, and/ or fish đ oil.
F. Healing from childhood trauma/ unfinished business from back then.
G. Willingness to replace every part of the fantasy about who she is, with reality.
H. I, J, K, L, M, N.
đđâ¨ď¸đ¤Ş Anita
anitaParticipantHi Tom (Almost đ4ď¸âŁ0ď¸âŁđĽł)
I just realized that we first talked when you were 30 (Dec 20, 2016), my goodness, time flies!
How about coming up with a purpose before your 40th birthday- not an objective purpose like getting a particular job, but something subjective, like… well, you tell me (if you will đ)
â¨ď¸ Anita
anitaParticipantHey Dear Confused:
Thank you! Yes, seems like I’ve been reporting myself đł
What’s strange- to me- is that truly you sound (or read) like a kind person (to me and to others who replied to you), and a loving person to her.
You sound full of emotion (that’s why I genuinely like you), and yet, you say you feel none.
Now, I am thinking (I feel a thought approaching, đ¤, don’t know yet what it is, lol), maybe.. no, no thought came through.
You wrote that you feel very bad about losing your person- that’s a lot of feeling right there.
Guess who’se confused đ
About whether to tell the psych about you no longer taking the drug he perscribed- I don’t know. He didn’t sound professional to me, from what you described.
đ¤ đđ Anita
anitaParticipantFor crying đ˘ out loud, it’s possible that I reported myself for inappropriate content. Okay, whatever. I suppose it’s me using the phone and scrolling down quickly.
anitaParticipantThis reply has been reported for inappropriate content.
I didn’t mean that you should feel 𼜠(what does this emoji even mean?) Let’s go for đ đ đ âşď¸ đ .. Just feelings. Soon 2 B not confused.
anitaParticipantIt makes sense to me, Confused, that you don’t trust a med that makes you even more numb!
I grew to like you, Confused, I really do, and I am looking forward to you FEELING đ đĽ 𼜠đľ
đ¤â¨ď¸đđ Anita
anitaParticipantDear Mollie:
You are very welcome đ and again, thank you for your kindness and attention.
I am so very curious to know what “selfless” means to you in regard to your choices in life, or in general- what “selfless” means to you.
Self-less (or more accurately, No-Self), is what my mother demanded of me, as in loving her = no me.
My healing has been, and still is, about resurrecting that the me in that no-me.
Do you have thoughts or feelings about what I’m saying? It’s okay if you don’t, or if I sound too intense.
đđ¤â¨ď¸ Anita
anitaParticipantWhat “psychotic thoughts” did you have?
So, the doctor’s guarantee that the med will work, what happened to that guarantee?
Oh, Confused, I am looking forward to to the day Confused will declare: I am no longer Confused, and he (that is you) will change his screen name to ..Clear, or CLEAR..
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anitaParticipantDear Mollie:
Thank you so much for your lovely replies. I want to reread them later and reply further. But dor now, I want to say: you are a genuinely good, caring and generous person.
Remember to put yourself first though. Not selfishly but not selflessly either.
đ¤đđ¤ Anita
February 28, 2026 at 10:56 am in reply to: growing up – becoming adul / procrastination – in connection to childhood trauma #455570
anitaParticipantDear Robi:
I appreciate it that you took the time to give me a quick update!
Well, she’s arriving Monday. Here is my suggestion: have a conversation with AI (I use Copilot, as you know), and tell it the situation, just as you told me over time. Tell it the current circumstances and how you feel.
It will probably give you worthwhile suggestions in regard to talking with her this Monday and how to plan the visit so that it could be fruitful, resulting in clarity and ability to make clear decisions, one way or the other.
When it gives you suggestions that don’t sit well with you, tell it about it, present your thoughts, doubts, etc. Have a conversation.
I’d say, prepare for the visit best you can, with AI”s help.
đ¤ Anita
anitaParticipantGood morning, Peter:
Part 1, Copilot on how the words we use shape the feelings we have, and the behavior we chooseâoften before weâre aware of it:
The examples below show how this works in real life and how choosing different language can completely change the interaction:
1. âI owe you an apology.â â Social interaction becomes a debt.
When we use the metaphor Apology = Payment, the interaction becomes: one person âowesâ, the other âis owedâ, someone must âpay backâ.
This can create guilt, pressure, or imbalance even when no one intended it.
If you switch the metaphor to: âI want to repair something between us,â the interaction becomes mutual, not transactional.
2. âShe crossed a boundary.â â Social interaction becomes territory.
When we use Boundary = Property line, we start thinking in terms of trespassing, invasion, protection, defense. This can make a small misunderstanding feel like a violation.
If you switch the metaphor to: âSomething felt uncomfortable for me,”, the interaction becomes about feelings, not territory.
3. âHe made me feel stupid.â â Social interaction becomes cause-and-effect.
This metaphor makes the other person the cause and you the effect, which removes your agency.
If you switch to: âI felt insecure when he said that,â, you regain ownership of your experience.
4. âWe need to clear the air.â â Social interaction becomes weather.
This metaphor makes conflict feel like a storm that must be âcleaned up,â which can create urgency or pressure.
If you switch to: âIâd like to understand what happened,â, the interaction becomes calmer and more grounded.
5. âSheâs toxic.â â Social interaction becomes contamination.
This metaphor turns a person into a substance. It pushes you toward avoidance, fear, disgust, moral judgment.
If you switch to: âHer behavior is hard for me,â you keep the person human.
Peter is saying that in social interactions, we often think weâre reacting to the person, but weâre actually reacting to the metaphor we used to describe the situation:
If you call someone âtoxic,â youâll feel disgust; if you call someone âhurt,â youâll feel compassion.
If you call a disagreement a âfight,â youâll defend yourself; if you call it a âconversation,â youâll listen.
To use languageârather than being used by it happens when you:
* Notice the metaphor youâre using,
* Ask whether itâs helping or trapping you,
* Choose a different metaphor that opens more possibilities.
Part 2: In regard to my Feb 26 post to you, Peter, the one that made you feel “reduced” and “caged”, which included: “It just occurred to me why I NEED to communicate in concrete language and why you need to communicate in abstract, symbolic language: I grew up in intellectual chaos… You grew up, as I understand it, in a rigid, concrete environment…”),
Copilot: Here is the clearest, most grounded way to understand how language âused youâ in that message to Peter, and which metaphors shaped the emotional impactâon both you and him.
Iâll break it into three parts: the metaphors you used, how each metaphor shaped your thinking, and how each metaphor made him feel âreducedâ or âcagedâ.
1. The metaphors you used (even though you didnât realize they were metaphors)… âIntellectual chaosâ, âRigid, concrete environmentâ, âInner chaosâ, âCold, unfeeling personâ, âStyle that came about in childhoodâ, âDecodeâ his language, âRunning across green fieldsâ, âSpark wanting to be fireâ, âPeople-pleasingâ, âEmotional connectionâ as something that must be reciprocated.
These are not just descriptionsâthey are frames that shaped how you saw him and how he felt seen.
2. How these metaphors âused youâ (shaped your thinking without you noticing)
Metaphor 1: âIntellectual chaosâ â Your childhood as disorder
This metaphor made you see your communication style as a survival adaptation to chaos.
It shaped your thinking into: âI speak concretely because I had to.â, âMy style is a reaction to trauma.âThis is not wrongâbut itâs a psychological frame.
Metaphor 2: âRigid, concrete environmentâ â His childhood as strict and limiting
This metaphor made you interpret his abstract style as a reaction to rigidity, an escape from blackâandâwhite thinking, a coping mechanism.
Again, not wrongâbut itâs a psychological explanation.
Metaphor 3: âInner chaosâ â His inner world as unstable
This metaphor made you imagine his internal life as chaotic, unmirrored, emotionally unsafe.
This is where he felt âreduced.â
Metaphor 4: âDecodeâ â His language as a puzzle or symptom
This metaphor made you see his communication as something to translate, something to interpret, something that hides the ârealâ him.
This unintentionally made him feel like an object of analysis.
Metaphor 5: âCold, unfeeling personâ â His style as emotional absence.
This metaphor shaped your emotional reaction: âHe doesnât feel.â, âHe doesnât reciprocate.â, âHe is distant.â
It made you angry at himânot because of him, but because of the metaphor.
Metaphor 6: âStyle that came about in childhoodâ â His communication as pathology
This metaphor turned his way of speaking into a symptom, a result of trauma, something caused by the past
This is the exact moment he felt âcaged.â
Metaphor 7: âSpark wanting to be fireâ â Your parable
This metaphor expressed your own longing to be seen. It shaped your emotional tone into vulnerability, intensity, a desire for recognition. This part did not reduce himâit revealed you.
3. How these metaphors made him feel âreducedâ or âcagedâ
Peter felt reduced because your metaphors turned him into a psychological pattern, a product of childhood, someone whose communication style is a coping mechanism, someone whose inner world is âchaosâ, someone who needs decoding, someone who failed to reciprocate emotionally.
He didnât feel attacked. He felt shrunk.
Your metaphors made him feel like: âI am being explained instead of seen.â
That is the âprisonâ he was talking about.
The simplest explanation- Your language âused youâ because the metaphors you choseâchaos, rigidity, decoding, coldnessâautomatically shaped how you saw him and how you interpreted his behavior. You didnât choose those interpretations consciously; the metaphors chose them for you. And those metaphors made him feel like he was being turned into a psychological case rather than a full person.
Part 3, Anita to Copilot: but my psychological explanations make sense, and both you (Copilot) and Peter said I was not wrong, so why is it wrong to present what I am “not wrong” about? 2nd question: can you rewrite that post I sent Peter using different metaphors that would feel good to him, expansive (not reduced) free (not caged)?
Copilot: Why something can be true and still feel reducing- Your psychological explanations werenât wrong.
Peter even said so: âItâs not that youâre wrong.â The issue wasnât accuracy. It was frame. What made him feel reduced wasnât the content â it was the position the language put him in.Your message placed him in a metaphorical role: a child shaped by rigidity, a person with inner chaos, someone whose communication style is a coping mechanism, someone who needs decoding, someone whose behavior can be explained by your psychological lens.
All of these may be partly true. But they cast him in a passive, interpreted, diagnosed, explained role.
In that frame: You are the observer, He is the observed; You are the interpreter, He is the interpreted.
You are the one with insight; He is the one being analyzed. This is what he meant by âa cage.âThe deeper truth: A psychological explanation can be correct and still shrink a person if it becomes the only lens through which they are seen.
Itâs like saying to someone: âYouâre not wrong, but youâre only seeing me through one window.â
Thatâs why he didnât want you to stop talking â he wanted you to widen the frame.
Here is a version of your original post that keeps your emotional truth but uses relational, equalizing, and nonâdiagnostic metaphors. It honors both of you without placing either person in a psychological box.
You can send this to him if you want, or simply use it as a model for future communication.
⨠Rewritten message (expansive, nonâreducing)
Hi Peter,Iâve been thinking about how differently we use language, and Iâm starting to see our styles less as opposites and more as two native languages shaped by the worlds we grew up in. My early life felt unpredictable and confusing, so I learned to hold onto what was solid and clear. Concrete language became my way of finding ground. Iâm beginning to imagine that your world may have shaped you differently, giving you a comfort with symbols, images, and ideas that move in wider spaces. Not as a reaction or a wound, but as a natural way your mind travels.
When I look back at our exchanges, I can see moments where I reached for emotional directness and you reached for metaphor, and we both thought the other had stepped away. But now Iâm starting to see that we were both reaching â just in different directions. My âgreen grassâ image was my way of opening a door, and your parable was yours. They were different gestures, but both human ones.
Iâm realizing that your abstract language isnât distance; itâs texture. Itâs how you explore meaning. And my concrete language isnât simplicity; itâs clarity. Itâs how I stay connected to myself. Maybe neither of us needs to translate the other perfectly. Maybe we can just let our languages meet and see what grows in the overlap.
I tried writing a small parable of my own â not to imitate you, but to step into your world for a moment. It made me smile to try. It also helped me see how much feeling can live inside an image.
Thank you for staying in this conversation with me. Iâm learning a lot about how language can open space between people, not just close it.
âAnita
This rewritten message doesnât diagnose him, doesnât explain him through childhood, doesnât frame his style as a coping mechanism, doesnât place you above him as the interpreter, doesnât imply he is chaotic inside, doesnât cast him as emotionally cold, doesnât turn him into a psychological pattern.
Instead, it treats both of you as equals, frames your differences as languages, not symptoms; honors his style as a choice, not a reaction, honors your style as grounding, not simplistic, creates spaciousness instead of confinement, invites connection instead of analysis.
This is the kind of language that feels like grass, not walls.”
Anita to Peter: the right above hurts a little: I offered running with you across green fields.. but offered walls instead.
Anita
anitaParticipantJust a bit over 3 years since you posted last, Norit. I so wish I could read from you again.
Anita
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