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February 11, 2024 at 8:50 am in reply to: Telling the difference between gut and fear in relationships #427730
anita
ParticipantDear Healing Seaturtle:
Overnight stay at the hospital (3 hours sleep), five incisions, sore and one ovary preserved- – Less sore and rested this morning, I hope..???
“I am so happy about that and that I made the right decision to wait“- the saying goes, good things happen to those who wait. In yes magazine. org/ the science behind why good things really do happen to people who wait, the writer includes studies and surveys that indicate that patience (patiently waiting instead of impulsively reacting) is good for our physical and mental health, and it leads to long-term success in achieving our goals. (“The road to achievement is a long one, and those without patience—who want to see results immediately—may not be willing to walk it…”).
“The past month my mom and grandma have been asking me about my surgery and so I’ve given them updates, but my dad never sent one message. Last night he tried to blame me that he didn’t know the details…The messages are long… he called me self absorbed for thinking he would text me. He brought up the copay he paid for and said he felt unappreciated. What a throw back to housecleaning’s!.. By the end he said ‘let’s agree to disagree’“-
– for crying out loud, what a self-absorbed, unempathetic person! While you were at the hospital, before or after surgery, he sent you LONG, argumentative messages and tried to guilt trip you (instead of a short I love you message or two)! I don’t remember you giving an example more indicative of what you referred to in the past as his narcissism. His concern was not your health but for.. his feelings. He wanted his argument to Win.. and yours (while heading or recovering from a surgery) to Lose.
“I held my ground, third eye open… I trusted hatch and showed her last night that this was not true. I am proud of how I responded, he evaded responsibility in every single way… I did my best and he didn’t understand“- good job at trusting hatch, and holding your ground with an open third eye! He did not understand because his 3rd eye is closed.
“What was an interesting revelation for me however, was remember when we spoke about N preferring me to be weak? How he was attracted to me being weak but then resulted in him not respecting me when I was ‘weak.’ Well last night after holding my ground with several messages in return, I had a different result than before, ‘house cleaning’ typically ended with me crying and feeling I was at fault. Last night I didn’t give in and his last message was quite interesting, he said: ‘OK well I’m tired too. Know that I love you and we disagree about this and that’s OK. I’m going to write part of this off as you and me being very similar (a screaming/ crying emoji). I know that you didn’t mean to hurt me and I know you know the same about me. I think we can both do a little better job of communicating with each other in general. Get some rest’“- it is amazing how he makes himself SOUND oh so mature and fair a MOMENT after he expressed acute self-absorption and self-centeredness. He knows how to say all the right things after saying.. all the wrong things.. and before saying all the wrong things yet again (in the future) because the right-things were only a presentation, not the real deal.
F did not and will not open his 3rd eye and get his crown chakra to do some heavy-duty work because you stood your ground and displayed strength. Like a spider and other highly instinctive animals, he will adjust to your new behavior, that’s all. I don’t think that he can see anyone but himself.. well, he can’t see anyone on the other side of his (triggered) hurt/ unappreciated feelings.
He is similar to N, they both often enough said all the right things.. verbal presentations that make then appear like good, stand up men (“my partner is a stand up man, no question“, Oct 6, 2023). You did question this though, it for a long, long time, because your gut was telling you that N’s positive-sounding verbal presentations were just that- verbal presentations that did not present the true combo of his motivations, feelings, and understandings.
“I just had a revelation in that moment how similar he and N are. If I don’t eventually fall for the manipulation and take the fault, the next best thing they do is basically call it a fair match, yet still 0 responsibility. All his excuses reminded me of N. Healing seaturtle“- healing indeed and in more than one way!
anita
anita
ParticipantThinking about you this Sat evening, me aka Pete aka blckhwkdwn1, nothing weird, just wondering how you’re feeling/ doing…
anita
February 10, 2024 at 5:37 pm in reply to: Recently broke up with my boyfriend, feeling guilty and sad #427722anita
ParticipantDear allette:
I’ll reply Sun morning (It is Sar evening here). If you have any idea what he meant by “no, it’s not”- please add that info. Be back to you in the morning!
anita
February 10, 2024 at 5:34 pm in reply to: Telling the difference between gut and fear in relationships #427721anita
ParticipantDear Seaturtle: I was focused enough to understand that the surgery went well, no cancer identified.. good thing! I’ll read and reply further Sun morning, good night, Healing Seaturtle!
anita
February 10, 2024 at 9:49 am in reply to: Recently broke up with my boyfriend, feeling guilty and sad #427712anita
ParticipantDear alette:
“We have the most perfect relationship that when I try to figure out what might have happened, I still do not understand. I tried to ask him what brought the problem he said it nothing his feelings are not just the same“-
– Reads like you are facing a probable breakup today, and reads like he will not explain himself more than saying that he doesn’t have the same feelings for you anymore. I am sorry…
I wonder, by saying that the relationship was perfect.. what do you mean by perfect?
“I don’t know if I will be able to handle the breakup well. My Heart is already heavy“- maybe if you prepare for the meeting with him, prepared you will handle the probable breakup better…?
anita
anita
ParticipantHow are you, Ssleeping?
anita
February 9, 2024 at 3:01 pm in reply to: Telling the difference between gut and fear in relationships #427704anita
ParticipantDear Seaturtle:
I wonder how you’re doing, it being Friday afternoon… post-surgery?
anita
anita
ParticipantDear Caroline:
I re-read your thread from the beginning, taking notes, and this is what I figure this morning after a few hours of study (I’ll refer to your girlfriend as G, and in my comments, I will be using the present tense in regard to what you shared back in 2023 and onwards, for simplicity):
About G: “She works from home and is on camera very often and her mother is coming into her apartment (it’s in the same house) when she’s in a meeting sometimes” (July 1, 2023)- reads like her mother is intrusive and doesn’t ask G’s permission before entering G’s apartment. I assume that this is not new behavior on her mother’s part.
When you met G, “She did not have a job for years and didn’t believe in herself, she had this job where she cleaned some lady’s house, earning very little money. You wouldn’t even pay rent for her monthly earnings. She had no self esteem… she was so humble, shy” (July 1, 2023). This is in line with her growing up with an intrusive, dominant mother who made G feel powerless.
In relation to G, at the time of the beginning relationship, you felt superior, the one in power: “Then I got this job and I recommended her. (I have slightly higher position)… Me bossing her around was.. I don’t know really.. telling her to make dinner while she was at my place, telling her to pick up a package etc. The least she could do, because 4 days a week she was at home (she cleaned only on 1 day) and I worked 6 days a week” (July 1), “When she was cleaning and I had better job.. I think yes I thought of her as inferior. She is younger and I already had more money, I paid for her many times. So I think I saw her as less capable at this time. Also I did shopping, made dinners etc. She usually just stayed at home doing nothing” (Jan 21, 2024)-
– At the time, you felt more powerful than G. You wanted to help her feel more powerful than she felt, and, I think, you didn’t feel comfortable with that power, so you decreased (diminished) your power in the relationship, so that she will feel increased: “I wanted her to be more confident and to see her succeed. And it got out of hand because I started to diminish myself so that she wouldn’t feel worse” (July 1)
But it got out of hand (your words) and she became the dominant one in the relationship: “She does this often – I like something or want something like new furniture or new tv, or just order sushi – she always says ‘Why do you need it?’, ‘No, stop it’, ‘don’t’, and I …. stop it. I listen to her” (June 2, 2023), “she tells me to do or not to do things all the time, and the reason might be that I ask her about everything. While we are shopping I ask her ‘should we buy this’ ‘maybe I will buy this’ and she almost always says ‘No, don’t’. ‘You can’t afford it’ ‘Why do you need this’ and it’s always on grocery shopping that she cares about spending too much money (my money buying my things – and I have my own money)” (June 3, 2023)
Growing up, she had little to no power. For example, when she accompanied her mother shopping, and her mother over shopped, she had no power to stop her mother from buying too many things (“she used to shop with her mother and she would go around the shop for hours choosing stupid and unnecessary things to buy“, June 3, 2023), but with you, Caroline, she .. sort of made up for that lack of power by telling you what she couldn’t tell her mother: “No, stop it“!, “Don’t“!
“She is in power and allows me to do things. She decides” (June 8)- I am guessing that she found this new power intoxicating.
“I hope she will stop bullying me but I am afraid she kind of.. got used to it already. As I mentioned she apologized and then she continued doing the same. I think she doesn’t really notice it anymore, it’s how she communicates with me… I hate this life. Sorry if this is too much. I coped with so many similar situations already and seems like I have no one. No one who respects me anymore.” (June 2, 2023)- she likes her new power. And you hate going back to powerlessness with which you grew up.. your old powerlessness.
You hate your powerlessness, but you keep feeding it: “I realized she tells me to do or not to do things all the time, and the reason might be that I ask her about everything. While we are shopping I ask her ‘should we buy this’ ‘maybe I will buy this’… I ask her everything” (June 3, 2023).
Why do you feed something you hate (being powerless)? I believe that the answer to tis question is in this quote: “I feel like there is no ME in this relationship. I became HER… I do not have autonomy. I become the other person. I think I am a bit scared.. of not being someone else, of being my own. I don’t know if this makes sense but I feel like this is what is happening here. I think being separate will break us up because I need her approval, I am scared of doing something she doesn’t like, of having life that she does not like, approve, does not want to go into. I prefer becoming someone else than risking her not approving my hobbies, lifestyle etc.” (June 13, 2023)-
– Seems to me, that being yourself is scary because in your mind, ever since you were a child, being you (having your own opinions, likes, wants, etc., and asserting those), meant being totally alone. And for a child, being totally alone is a threat to one’s very life.
“We finally agreed we were going to see Italy or some other place but we agreed on Italy. And I wanted to include her in searching for plane tickets etc., because I felt like she was leaving this for me and it felt too much” (Feb 4, 2024)- she wasn’t controlling (she didn’t take your power away) in regard to deciding on plane tickets, etc., you had the power to make those decisions, but you felt uncomfortable with that power.. it was too much power, for you, too much of a threat.
What followed reads like a negotiation of where to go, a negotiation in which, seems to me, she fairly included you, and the choice of where to go was not because she bullied you, not at all in this case. You said let’s go to Athens (“I said: no, let’s go to Athens“), so Athens it is.
Back to the fear of having and asserting your own opinions, likes, preferences, etc., what happened to you as a child when you expressed such to your parents/ family members? In my case, when I did (and I don’t remember expressing), I know that I was dismissed at best and punished at worse.. ridiculed and made fun of.
anita
anita
ParticipantDear Caroline: Since the tickets is part of the topic of your relationship, I’ll reply on your other thread.
anita
February 6, 2024 at 12:57 pm in reply to: Telling the difference between gut and fear in relationships #427638anita
ParticipantDear Seaturtle:
“The dreams change, but the last two nights in a row in the dream, I have an opportunity to go back to the way it was, and my dream self wants to. As if my dream self, third eye closed, thinks that suffering through the bad parts of the relationship are worth getting the good parts back in my life. I miss the smallest things like kissing his cheeks..”-
– there is a saying, “the heart wants what the heart wants“. In other words, your heart chakra wants N back. It’s not the job of the heart chakra to see the suffering through the bad parts of the relationship, it’s the 3rd eye chakra’s job. When you’re asleep… all your eyes are closed, and the heart and sacral chakras have their say. All chakras’ input are valid, but the crown chakra has to do a good job putting all the input together into an accurate bigger picture.
“Tomorrow I have my pre-operation for my surgery… The surgery is supposed to be Friday“- I am looking forward to read, I hope, that there are no complications and that the surgery was successful.
“Next is to get my passport from N. I have thought about sending someone to get it for me, but there is a bigger part of me that wants to see him“- it may turn out to be a good idea to see him in-person. Who knows, maybe he will arrange to have your stuff outside his home right before you pick it up, and not see you… so to hurt your feelings.
anita
anita
ParticipantDear David:
Thank you for explaining “digital technology” and “digital wellbeing” for me. I wasn’t familiar with the terms and below, you can see why…
“Specific questions might be: what is your daily relationship with your phone and tech (i.e.., do you sleep w phone, do you check in morning asap, how many hours of screen time daily..“- I am probably, maybe one of the few people in the world who did not have a phone for over a year and didn’t miss it. I lost my phone back in Oct 2022 while picking apples from trees, and didn’t have it replaced until late Jan this year, that’s 15 months of no phone, and not missing it. I used my phone minimally before losing it (calls, texts, and taking photos, that is all), and now that I have a fancy new phone, I find it difficult to motivate myself to use it. it’s just sitting there.
In addition to the above, I do not have Facebook, nor do I participate in any social media platform. My only experience with digital technology is personal email, and here, on tiny buddha via my 4th laptop (I broke all the others from overuse and from sugar accumulating on the keyboard due to .. sugar addiction, not to digital addiction). So, I suppose I am not the right person to respond to the important and very relevant topic you brought up… (relevant to 99% (+) of the population out there, that is).
anita
anita
ParticipantDear Stacy:
I am fine, thank you. I hope that you fully recover soon and get back to work and to a routine you are comfortable in. Thank you for letting me know. I will be looking forward to reading from you again!
anita
anita
ParticipantDear Ssleeping:
I didn’t read your recent post attentively enough. You wrote: “I don’t know if I could cut off contact, I promised to him I wouldn’t when he had a breakdown at the thought of it“- I didn’t suggest that you cut contact with him. I suggested “to end all intimate talk with him, as well as physical intimacy”. I realize that this would be very, very difficult for you to do, but it’d be best for your well-being to be his friend, from a distance (not living with him). As a true friend, you can keep your promise to maintain contact with him and help him through this time.
“Do you think we just need time and his feelings will return?… I don’t want to push him further away“- it reads like he is holding you hostage.. or you are holding yourself hostage until such time that his feeling return, if they will, afraid to make mistakes that will block his feelings from coming back (walking on eggshells perhaps?), anxiously waiting for the return of his feelings. Is this how it is for you..?
I am wondering: is he aware of what this situation is doing to you… Does he think about your suffering?
anita
anita
ParticipantDear Ssleeping:
You are welcome. It is admirable that you intend to keep your promise to him
“Do you think we just need time and his feelings will return?“- maybe but like I wrote in my first reply, fear is a very powerful emotion
“How would I broach the topic of avoidant attachment? I don’t want to push him further away“- you can copy and paste for him about the topic, send it to him and ask him what he thinks about it.
anita
anita
ParticipantDear me:
Yes, I remember you getting hit by a truck.. The electric scooter, you will ride it strictly on the mountain, not on a road with traffic?
Your physical shape ambitions are huge: 10 miles of running a day is very long and can hurt your knees…?
I googled the influencer you mentioned, he does lots of kickboxing, I understand?
anita
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