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anitaParticipantDear Going Through Life:
I wish I could remove those thoughts and images of her being with others from your mind. Are these thoughts frequent.. ?
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anitaParticipantHi Everyone:
Wow, Peter, this is the best down to earth, tell it to me like I’m a five year old explanation of Duality vs Non-duality that I’ve ever read, thank you!
I asked: “Being that the concept of the-other is so instinctually entrenched in nature (all animal species, I think), and we humans are still an animal species.. How can any human undo or redo pre-human nature and not have a concept of the-other?
Or is non-duality about lessening the frequency and intensity of the concept of ‘the other’ in people whose concept of the-other is.. too much, too often?”-From your reply, Peter, I gather that your answer is that the concept of the-other is indeed instinctually entrenched in nature (“Hyenas, like you said, act from instinct… responding from instinct protecting their space and chase away others. Thatโs nature doing its job.”), and that non-duality is not about undoing the natural, instinctual concept of the-other but lessening its frequency and intensity (“we can soften our judgments.”).
So, we, humans cannot not judge at all, but we can soften our judgment. Personally, I do need to judge less often, way less. I am opening to this.
“We can notice when weโre sorting the blocks too tightly”- I do need to loosen my sorting ๐
I am taking a moment to meditate on the above.
“Imagine youโre a child playing with building blocks. At first, thereโs just the blocks and the joy of playing. But then, you start sorting them: red blocks here, blue blocks there. You say, ‘This one is mine,’ and ‘That one is not.'”-
“God said, โLet there be light,โ and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness.โ (Genesis 1:3โ4)- the beginning of sorting: light (good); darkness (bad).
Next to be sorted was water below (oceans) from water above (clouds or such): โAnd God said, โLet there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.โ So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it.โ (Genesis 1: 6-7).
.. And the deal-breaker sorting: โYou are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die”. (Genesis 2: 16-17).
Like you said yesterday, Peter, “The story of eating from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil is… the birth of duality”. I would add that it was the birth of the complexity of duality in human psychology.
Thank you, Peter, for this exceptional down to earth reply, for honoring my request for one ๐
Thank you, Tee, for your reply ๐
“Now thinking about it, perhaps eating from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil refers to the state of consciousness when we start seeing ourselves as good and the other as evil? This is the first time that this interpretation has occurred to me, but perhaps itโs a feasible one?”-
In my personal story, in-the-beginning God (my mother) created the heavens and the earth (my core beliefs), darkness was over the surface of the deep, and her spirit hovering over the waters, telling me: You are bad! Shame on you..!
So, I believed (and resisted the idea) that I was bad. Never free of that darkness.
“when we see the other as a threat, as evil”- I saw myself as evil. I saw me as “the other” (self fragmentation, dissociation, alienation). And I often perceived others’ reactions to me.. others’ feedback on what I shared, others’ advice, etc., as re-accusations that I was indeed bad, and that I should be ashamed of myself.
I am making progress in this regard.
I am looking forward to reading more of your interpretation and thoughts ๐
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anitaParticipantI am thrilled to get your message, Nichole.. only 13 minutes ago (by the time I submit this message), feeling good to read your words. Only I am not focused enough to thoroughly respond. I will Thurs morning, good night, special, precious Nichole (hope this is no too much..)
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anitaParticipantDear Going Through Life:
You are welcome, and thank you for.. being you!
You deserve something better than what you had with SS, something more mature, more trustworthy, something you can rest in, feeling safe.
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anitaParticipantHello Everyone:
I have a question for Peter, but everyone is welcome to answer. I am asking because I am trying to understand.
Peter, you wrote today (in your most recent post): “the moment consciousness split into opposites… self and other.”
Hyenas, for example, chase other hyenas who cross their territory and injure or kill the “other” hyenas. So, to me, it means that they have a concept of the-other, an instinctual concept, not one that’s accompanied by the elaborate thoughts that humans, cognitively evolved, are capable of.
Being that the concept of the-other is so instinctually entrenched in nature (all animal species, I think), and we humans are still an animal species.. How can any human undo or redo pre-human nature and not have a concept of the-other?
Or is non-duality about lessening the frequency and intensity of the concept of “the other” in people whose concept of the-other is.. too much, too often?
If you choose to answer me (I’ll appreciate it ๐), please explain it in a way you’d explain it to a 5-year-old, without big words and terms..?
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anitaParticipantHello Everyone:
Bad= Harmful.
I was bad= harmful many times when angry.
I forgive myself for all those times- while holding myself accountable for my words & behavior today, tomorrow, and every day moving forward.
*** I need to be careful, to pay attention when I am feeling angry: to-
Do No Harm While Under the Influence of Anger.
I forgive myself for all those times in the past- while holding myself accountable today.
(A relief)
In regard to those irl who had severely harmed me- forgiving them is not my job, not my duty to spend yet.. more time on them.
My focus is on being a good person today and every day, genuinely, sincerely.. truly yours.
Anita
anitaParticipantDear Lily:
You are welcome to use this space to vent your feelings, all of them ๐๐ฅบ๐ข๐ ๐๐ฅฐ๐๐๐๐ถ
Giving all my feelings space to be is an important part of my healing process, not necessarily to act on all of them, but to give them space, let them breathe, so to speak.
But this thread is about your feelings, your healing. I am looking forward to read more from you.
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anitaParticipantDear Q:
I read both your initial posts and I’d like to respond to both here.
“he started to cry and told me that heโs trying so hard to be better because of me. That Iโm his inspiration… why canโt I accept and take this as a compliment?… I feel like Iโm always helping everyone else. I want someone to be there for me to the same extent and with the same understanding that I give.”-
Maybe, just maybe this role of taking care of others started early on in your life, maybe taking care of a parent so that he/ she will be able (once helped enough, once strong enough) to take care of you..?
And you got really good at helping others.. yet the reward (being helped back) didn’t reach you yet?
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anitaParticipantDear Q:
Interestingly, you started this thread exactly 4 months ago, June 15. on that day you wrote: “sheโs starting to feel uncertain about the relationship. It all happened very suddenly, she started withdrawing affection and things just became more distant.”
Later on, you shared that the two of you broke up in July and that you didn’t speak since the breakup.
The sentence that caught my eye the most as I went over your posts was this “Very slowly, my whole world revolved around her” (Sept 22)
Today, you wrote: “A part of me also feels like ‘what if she comes back? then this would look like betrayal'”.
I think that for the part of you that feels the above, she didn’t yet leave.
What if you contact her and ask her if it’s truly over, as far as she is concerned.. if there’s any chance of getting back together..?
I mean, how can you get over such a strong emotional attachment when you don’t really know if it’s over?
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anitaParticipantDear Q::
“More noticeably, I notice myself feeling like ‘Moving on and dating other women feels like Iโm cheating on her.โ-
To me, this sounds like .. childhood guilt awakening in an adult- romantic context.
You wouldn’t be cheating on her dating other women. It feels like cheating on her because..?
๐ค๐ฟ Anita
anitaParticipantJKPP.. Just Kidding, Push Pull..
anitaParticipantDear Aleesa: You are making a valid point- yes, I did feel that was what she wanted to do (to punch me in the face). I sincerely believe that she chose me as a convenient target for her anger. She was angry, frustrated, wanting to quit for some time before Sunday before last- and there I was, accommodating, eager to please her.. so, she.. used me, really to make her exit.
Dear Peter: “one moment doesnโt define who you are.”- thank you, and yes, this is my point: during that one moment, I was a bad person (challenging her for a fight, and in front of customers). Understanding this was true to that moment frees me from the binary, all or nothing thinking that I’m always bad. Just on that one moment or two..
I have felt calm ever since I labeled myself bad in that moment or two, setting myself free from labelling myself Bad Always, as a permanent state of being. I hope you understand me.
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anitaParticipantThank you for your input, Alessa. I’ll get back to you later. โค๏ธ
anitaParticipantDear Nichole:
I just looked back at our communication over the years, the first day you posted and the same day I responded was Aug 21, 2018, that’s.. 7 years 1 month and 24 days ago ๐ค
“I also began reading your entry on diving into your childhood (It Is really good)”- thank you! Anything you want to ask me about what I wrote here, please do (quote my words, so that I’ll know what you’re referring to).
“When I look back at my relationships I often find that I was the clingy one. I cannot just say I gave more and they gave less, it was more like I needed love right then and there as I was deprived of it so I didnโt mind laying down as a doormat for it.”-
Me too. The pattern was: clingy emotions, doormat behavior => angry, lashing out (inwardly or outwardly) and withdrawing. I suppose that’s why I was diagnosed years ago with BPD (I no longer fit the diagnosis).
“More recently, with the last five years of growth, I am less clingy, less desperate and I know myself more and what I like. I try to give others the space to be them without trying to control or romanticize the relationship. But all of this is a work in progress.”-
Excellent job, Nichole, that’s a lot of healing ๐ซโจ๐ฟโจ๐ธ๐๏ธ๐ผ
“Having my family back in my life was easy and I became lazy with trying to connect. So I do not have much experience as of recently.”- I am not sure that I understand this sentence..?
“What I realized in this group is my expectation for others to take the leap and open their arms to me. I lack initiative in this area and other areas of my life.”- it’d take practice, starting perhaps with imagining yourself reaching out to someone (what would you say, what would you actually do, expression on your face, etc.)
“Well that is my start, I am eager to hear yours.”- Well, Nichole, I’ll start today by saying I really like you, and I am glad that we’re communicating again. I’d like to connect with you more like with a friend, both of us helping each other in this journey of positively connecting with people, one person at a time. With discernment, of course, when and if it’s safe.
Distrust in people prevented me from connecting. I was too sensitive to any sign of rejection or disinterest and reacted with withdrawal and disengagement. I am clearer now, in my mind, about this long-term, lifelong distrust and misperceptions of many people (not of all) in my life. Work in Progress, like you said.
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anitaParticipantDear Nichole:
I am so glad you got back to me!
Not focused now, but will read thoroughly and respond tomorrow morning..!!!
Anita
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