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October 1, 2025 at 8:01 pm in reply to: Should I Forget about him, or was he the one that got away? #450485
anitaParticipantDear Emma:
Your last words to me, 7 days ago: “And I am so touched, that you keep on helping me too! I know Iβve been a bit absent lately.”-
I don’t think I’ve been helping you, Emma. I wish I did. Not your fault.
There were times no one was able to help me. My thoughts were louder than anyone’s words. My shame was too loud, my guilt like an ongoing earthquake in my psyche. The self-doubt.. excruciating. The regret.. unforgiving.
I don’t want to lose connection with you, Emma.
Groetjes, π€πΏ Anita
anitaParticipantI should add: she was so important to me that I thought I was equally as important to her. Yes, she repeatedly shamed and guilt tripped me, but I thought that underneath it, she loved me.
Looking back, when someone repeatedly shames and guilt trips another person for years, even decades.. there’s no love underneath π
anitaParticipantDear Milda:
First thing, it is your choice whether you take a break from your mother or not. Absolutely your choice.
Second, I so relate to your story! For me, “mother=guilt” can easily be the title of my story.
Third, I will share more of my story with you in regard to this prediction you made less than 5 hours ago: “she will fight to get the old me back, because old me was comforting and enabling her, fixing for her, caring for her.”
I was so sure that once I cut contact with my mother she would fight for me, that is, she would fight to get me back! I was absolutely sure! I thought she couldn’t live without me in her life.
I cut contact, got a birthday card from her six months later, and then… NOTHING. 12 years of nothing. No fighting to get me back, not even a tiny battle.
What I realized was that for so long, I couldn’t live without her. I believed I couldn’t, so I projected this belief-feeling into her- thinking she couldn’t live without me.
It was just a projection, and an inaccurate one.
My story is that of unrequited love. I loved her. She didn’t love me back.
I am not angry about it anymore. She simply didn’t have the capacity, had a very traumatic childhood and a very difficult life.
But Truth remains: unrequited love.
π€πΏ Anita
anitaParticipantDear Milda: I will read and reply by tomorrow, take care!
anitaParticipantDear me:
It’s a good thing you’ll see your buddy, that the trip won’t be just about spending time with her. It’d be less scary this way, meaning if things don’t work out with her, you’d have him to talk with, as a friend. Right?
π€πΏ Anita
anitaParticipantDear Milda:
I am happy to communicate with you too, Milda. Thank you for giving me this opportunity!
“I always searched for ways to meet their emotional needs UNCONDITIONALLY.”- you loved them unconditionally. You are and always have been a loving daughter. I can tell you are a loving person overall by the attentive, kind and appreciative ways you respond to those of us who respond to you, here on your thread.
“But meeting my needs by them was always conditional. Always. And conditions were not on my side, so I was left alone with my problems and my need for safety, acceptance and love.”- the fact that they didn’t love you back in the ways that matter most does not take away from the fact that you loved them so much and for so long.
“Canβt feel nothing authentical about me”- I think that your loving nature is very much an authentic part of you!
“If it was only who could make another person happy, problem-free, my parents would be acting differently. They are not happy people, they are doing their automatic behavior and nothing changes.”- your authentic, unconditional love for them did not bring any positive change in them.. it made no positive difference in the ways they think, feel and live.
Not because you loved them wrong, but because they didn’t take in your love. It met their surface, but never their depthβit slid off them like oil on Teflon. Do you agree?
“my problems, this ‘hanging’ situation with my parents about how to continue the communication with them, so that I do not become this stressed, over functioning person. Right now it feels as if itβs impossible to have a peaceful relationship with parents. They want answers from me, they want to know what happened and the saddest part is that I could try to explain, but they will never understand… The lack of ability to see the next step now that I have stopped communication with parents is crushing me.”-
As I see it, you are indeed in a “‘hanging’ situation”- neither here nor there- neither in regular communication with your parents, nor in a cessation of communication. It’s like you are still on the phone with someone, on a pause. You didn’t hang up the phone yet.
What if you hang up the phone, that is, make it very clear to them that you will not be communicating wit them at all- not directly and not indirectly- for the next two years, let’s say. It’d give you a significant breathing room. You can put as much love into this kind of clear, assertive message. Ask them to respect your choice, make it clear to them tat you are struggling and need this break from them for your mental health.
Not that I have reason to expect them to respect your assertion (from what you shared about them). This message would be still about your love for them, but also about your love for yourself.
What do you think/ feel about my suggestion?
π€πΏ Anita
anitaParticipantDear me:
I am not surprised she wants to travel with you. After all, the two of you had a lot of fun together.
How do you feel about the idea of traveling with her? That would be the first time you’d be with her outside of work, right?
π€πΏ Anita
anitaParticipantThis is all difficult stuff, Milda.. the Anger vs the Empathy.. The Love vs the Anger..
I wish I could be of some help to you.. however little.
The contrast between caring too much.. And the need to survive that too-much-caring..
You relate to what I am saying? (It’s okay if you don’t)
If you do relate, let me know. Let me help you best I can.
π€πΏ Anita
anitaParticipantDear Tom:
You posted the above on Oct 1, 10:19 am, Singapore time, right?
Only 25 min ago..
You’ll make it through, Tom. Try to make the best of it. Focus on the positives…And post here, anytime you feel like it. I am here!
πΏ π€ Anita (Sept 30, 7:44 pm here, U.S.)
anitaParticipantDear M:
Yes, I had a similar experience in that I had a complicated mother (who produced a complicated daughter π). Much of my life was Too much (and too little).
How long ago was your diagnosis.. How is your health now?
π€πΏ Anita
anitaParticipantYou are welcome, Jana, and thank you for stopping by this morning (here, U.S.), your afternoon (Czechia).
Good to read that you are feeling peaceful and calm, like autumn ππ»π
π€ back to you!
anitaParticipantDear Milda:
“So, she pushed the button in me by saying: ‘well we are not the center of the world, there are still ALIVE relatives.'”-
What if you answered her (in your mind, at the least): I AM ALIVE and I AM IN THE CENTER of this one world: MY OWN LIFE!
Neither you nor grandmother or any other living or dead relative deserve to be the center of my personal world!
It’s MINE, not YOURS!
I typed the above feeling angry. I mean, how dare she!
How does it feel to you, Milda.. my anger right above?
“Iβm so very lost and scared. Itβs devastating. π”- this is pain that was inflicted on you, wouldn’t be if you had parents who had mercy on you. Your pain is heartbreaking.
And it’s similar to the pain I carried with me most of my life.
You deserve healing, Milda. you deserve reclaiming center stage in your own life!
π€πΏ Anita
anitaParticipantDear me:
It made me smile (my first smile of this Monday, feeling sad that the socially busy weekend is over) when I read about the good, playful times the two of you had, particularly when I imagined your eyes meeting through the holes in the box π
Thank you for sharing about these good times, good memories!
I am looking forward to reading from you again, another time, another thread.
Please take good care of yourself!
π€πΏ Anita
anitaParticipantDear Milda:
“their one sentence gets me into guilt and old behavior⦔- it took me 10+ years of no contact with my mother, more than 10 years of not hearing her voice irl.. to actually stop hearing her voice. More than a decade.
Her voice, shaming, guilt-tripping, so powerful in my psych.. a dominating, domineering voice. A cruel voice.
“their words hit me like a bullet”- I relate. Like a bullet.
I’ll write more in the morning.
Anita
anitaParticipantDear Milda:
You are very welcome, and thank you for your appreciation and kindness β€οΈ
As I was reading the second paragraph of your post right above, the image of a child touching a hot stove for the first time came to my mind. Developing the image: the kid didn’t know how it would feel to touch a hot stove until she touched it. She never thought about it, didn’t consider it. She touches it. Consequence: the alarming, painful sensation of burning. She moves her hand ASAP away from the stove. From then on, she remembers and doesn’t touch a stove until she makes sure it’s not hot.
Similarly, in the beginning, you didn’t know that saying “no” was.. like touching a hot stove, didn’t even cross your mind, so you said “no”. Consequence: the alarming, painful sensation of guilt and shame. (“when I had situations where I said ‘no’ and my parents guilt tripped me for that, said something shameful, insulting”)
From then on, you remember. You don’t say “no”, and you want to make sure the stove is not hot/ you make sure they’re not angry with you (“a signal: do something so they are not angry with you”).
The touching a hot stove story makes sense. It really is, objectively, dangerous to touch a hot stove and keep the hand there.
On the other hand, it is healthy and helpful to say “no” and set boundaries. But alas! The kid is punished for healthy behaviors, and the result: doing what’s healthy feels dangerous.What to do?
Maybe understand more, for one, how wrong it is for a parent to guilt trip and shame a child for something healthy. A post ago, you wrote: “I do not blame anyone”. For the purpose of healing, it might be helpful to assign blame where it clearly belongs.
Anger is a natural response to being wronged (guilt-tripped, shamed and insulted for healthy behaviors). Anger may give you the strength, or courage to reclaim your human right to say “no” and set healthy boundaries.
Not Anger Forever. Not explosive, or abusive anger. Just enough of it to counter the fear (“To start feeling scared and still act in a new healthy way.”), and to give the “bad” that they threw at you back to them (“I believe this is the biggest issue- that I feel scared, I feel a bad daughter (by my parents terms)”)
For the longest time, I had this core belief, set so early on by being repeatedly guilt-tripped, shamed and insulted by my mother, that I was a BAD daughter. For many years I tried so hard to become a good daughter (by my mother’s terms), but never accomplished that goal.
Fast forward, I handed her the BAD (in regard to the guilt-tripping and shaming), and the result: no more bad for me to carry (in regard to having been guilt-tripped and shamed by her). The bad is for the one inflicting shame to carry, not for the victim of the infliction to carry.
What do you think, Milda?
πΏ π€ Anita
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