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anitaParticipantI forgot this part: as she yelled at me, she yelled: “Get out of my face!”.
I was not in her face. She was in mine.
That was the point when I felt my choice was to either go belly up or something else.
The something else was: I looked into her eyes and in a quiet, yet strong, unafraid voice, told her: “Why don’t you punch me in the face?”-
I think that’s when she broke my glass.
.. Later
T
anitaParticipantDear Reader:
* What I share here is for you, Thomas, to read and comment on, if you would like to, as well as for Jana.
Jana, you asked and commented back on Oct 6, on my other thread, “Do you want to share what made her so angry? Itโs not your fault. People are very nervous, angry these days. When I go shopping, I try to spread a positive mood, I smile at people and there are only a small handful of people who return it. There are people who even take a smile as a provocation and get triggered..”-
Thank you. A little background: S is an employee at this place and I am a volunteer. For way over a year, every single day when she worked- I helped her, doing parts of her job for her, lots and lots of physical work done to make her job easier. When I saw she was about to do X- I did it for her.
So, here’s what happened: on Friday (a week ago).. Actually, it started before Friday, S has been critical of me, maybe accusatory (all this is before last Sunday’s confrontation with her). Seemingly small things: (1) she took a break from working and ate lunch from a plastic container. The day after, she expressed to me that I threw away her empty container. I didn’t, but she insisted that I did, arguing that I did. I was somewhat troubled by her accusation. (2) I washed the special dish-drying cloth towels (they require washing by hand in cold water) and hung them to dry, as I have done regularly for more than a year. S complained that I should have used bleach and hot water, that I am promoting the growth of bacteria on dishes, (3) I wiped the inside of a popcorn machine with a (clean) paper towel. S asked, in an alarmed voice and accusatory tone: “You didn’t use a detergent in that towel, did you?”, I answered: “I am not that stupid!”, (4) At a pumpkin decorating setting, I was assigned the role of sitting with the kids (and adults) at the table while they used colors to paint pumpkins. I wasn’t told what to do, just to sit there. S complained that the table was messy and I am not doing my job. She told me to collect the colors in containers, and so, I did, (5) As I normally do and have done for over a year, I wash the dishes for S (it’s her job, but I help her). This time (Sun) she told me that I should not be there (behind the counter with her) washing dishes, and that I should be at the pumpkin decoration area. So I quietly left her area.
Later on Sunday, I approached her and asked her if she was angry with me. She said: “I am not angry, I a frustrated. We all have jobs to do, and you are not doing yours” (not placing the colors in containers, not sitting down at the table all the time). I told her that I wasn’t told to place them in containers, didn’t get a job description.. how would I know?
She said: you mean you didn’t know that colors should be placed in containers? I said: no I didn’t know (colors being spread out are easier for the kids to see and choose from than if they’re in containers, I figure).
S reacted, raising her voice: “Now I am angry with you.. You are making excuses..” (She may have said more, don’t remember). She then spoke to a customer, so, I moved away, sitting a distance away with other people drinking wine and able to see S on the other side of the room. (At that time the pumpkin decorating event was over).
Pausing in regard to events (I am feeling upset right now, heart beating fast, a bit dizzy, scared to confront what happened next.
Next, I see her across the room smiling, talking calmly with a customer and I get angry, thinking: she was rude to me and she’s smiling, that’s not fair!
I finished my first glass of wine, walked to the counter, asked for a second glass of wine and at that opportunity, I told S: “You were rude to me.”
All hell broke loose. She YELLED at me, I mean really yelled (I don’t remember everything she said), tossed the wine out of my glass (my favorite glass, different from other glasses) and broke it then threw it in the trash, screaming and yelling the whole time, then announcing “I QUIT!” and walking away, her last words to me: “You’re bad!” My last words to her: “You are wrong!”.
Behind her she left the pumpkin I decorated for her: her name printed on it with hearts all around the pumpkin.
Had no contact with her since, didn’t hear from her or about her, but will be back to the place this afternoon.. a bit scared.. maybe she’ll show up, don’t know.
More later. Thomas, Jana, anyone else- you are welcome to give me your thoughts..
Anita
anitaParticipantDear Thomas:
Thank you for caring to participate in this thread and for saying that you would like to hear more about this healing process. It feels good to know that I am not alone here, that you are here, reading, and hopefully post again and again ๐.
“You felt Anger in real life. Did you have time to choose your actions while feeling anger?”- I had time and at first, I consciously chose to not react.. but then I un-chose my choice ๐
“I mean did thoughts arise that you were being wronged and you needed to come out on top of this one?”- yes, at one point, I felt that I was being wronged, well, repeatedly wronged by this woman (I’ll refer to her as S), over the course of 3 days. Toward the end of the 3rd day, at one point, I felt that I either speak up or I go belly up/ submit to her aggression. In that moment, going belly up was not an option.
“Or did you have the calm mind to decide what to do next. Whether you needed to fight or stay silent?”- no, no calm mind. It was an alert, sort of excited mind, ready for a fight.
“I ask cause I have spent a little time in self observation. Anger tends to be a knee jerk reaction. Feeling slighted and then the thoughts comes out to support oneโs position of anger. Boom, losing control.”- it was indeed a Boom. I did feel slighted (S was really rude to me), then she got ruder.. In the final escalation, there were no thoughts at all. So, yes, at the ending of the scene, it really was a knee jerk reaction. I will elaborate on it later.
“I see it as being able to make a choice before it is made for me… What I learned in my meditations is to be present. Not to force thoughts or emotions away but to let them go. Not identify with them.”- I want to explore my thoughts in regard to what happened 4 days ago, and since in following posts.
๐ฟ ๐ ๐ค Anita
anitaParticipantThomas Dear, really, really.. you are welcome to comment ๐
I like you, Thomas, and I want you here, in the forums.
Keep posting, I truly appreciate you.
You bring up good points, and I’ll reply tomorrow (8:30 pm here- WA, USA, 11:30 pm Albany)
๐ฟ ๐ค Anita
anitaParticipantThank you, Trav!
anitaParticipantDear Going Through Life:
Got you, in regard to terms of a platonic relationship with SS’s friend’s ex-boyfriend. I hope that a deeper friendship does develop ๐
You do deserve trust and integrity, and these must be the cornerstones of your relationships, platonic or otherwise!
๐ค๐ฟ Anita
October 9, 2025 at 10:58 am in reply to: A.N.G.E.R (trigger warning, child abuse material is included) #450743
anitaParticipantDear Readers:
I am feeling uncomfortable with the title I chose for this thread, “anger” in big case letters. I can almost hear the title screaming/ yelling, and I don’t like it. And so, I am abandoning this thread and am starting a new one titled “A Personal Reckoning”.
๐ฟ ๐ค Anita
anitaParticipantYou are welcome, Tom!
I wonder if you’re already on the plane, being that you posted exactly an hour ago (by the time I submit this post). If you are, I hope that you do have a good sleep and a safe flight.
If you want to elaborate on the self-doubt, please do.
(I used to suffer from lots and lots of self-doubt and know how draining that is!)
๐ฟ ๐ค Anita
anitaParticipantDear Going Through Life:
I am glad that you feel safe working under your father and that he is guiding you like you always wanted ๐
Also, I am ๐ that you are starting to forgive her and yourself, particularly yourself. You deserve peace in your heart and forgiving yourself for all past mistakes while holding yourself accountable for your behaviors today is the way to go.
And I am ๐ that you are opening yourself to new possibilities.
In regard to one such new possibility, a romantic one with SS’s ex-boyfriend, I’d say- don’t rush anything, go slow, one step at a time. I’m saying this because the fear of being alone and the need for comfort can cause a person to rush: to feel too much, too soon, without getting to know the person well enough. And as a result, to act too soon.
I think that you need a partner who you can trust, particularly one who is very unlikely to cheat on you. Getting to know the person in this regard before investing emotionally too much will be very helpful.
I wonder how he feels about his experience of being cheated on. Talking about it more (if you already talked about it) will give you information in regard to shared values/ compatibility on this important matter.
๐ค๐๐ฟ Anita
anitaParticipantDear Going Through Life:
I hear your pain, I hear your angst. I am glad you have your mother and sister to comfort you.
I think that the ship has sailed, so to speak, as far as she’s concerned.
Time to recover, time for a new beginning.
๐ค๐ฟ Anita
anitaParticipantDear Thomas:
You are indeed very welcome here!
Please keep posting, you have lots to say and I want to hear more of your thoughts, your wisdom.
Respectfully,
๐ค๐ฟ Anita
anitaParticipantHi Peter: Yes, I agree.
The illusionย isnโt the pain or the body. The illusion is the story of separationโthe belief that โIโ am alone, or that pain means something is wrong with me.
Healing means meeting the pain without shame, without blame, and with presence.
Healing happens only afterย safety and care. Then one might gently explore the illusion of โIโโnot to erase the wound, but to loosen the grip of identity around it.
“You are not only this. It says, When you are ready, there is more.”- yes, more, Peter.
More.
๐ค๐ฟ Anita
October 8, 2025 at 11:42 am in reply to: A.N.G.E.R (trigger warning, child abuse material is included) #450708
anitaParticipantHello Everyone-
Continued:
My childhood experience resulted in the perception that I was Alone, one separated and removed from everyone else.
All Alone.
A long, long.. long Alone experience, eternal, so it felt.
Year after year, decade after decade.. an eternal, never ending string of long, too long moments, days, eternally stretched seconds of Aloneness.
This is the pain, that Never-Ending Aloneness (NEA).
And in that NEA, there was Anger (A.N.G.E.R) as strong as the desire to be Together.. to no longer be Alone.
This is why I find healing in these public forums. As I am typing this, I know someone is reading, and so, I am not Alone.
You are reading!
You are important to me because with you here: I am not Alone.
Please tell me about you, if you are reading, if I never heard from you..
Tell me about you..?
Seeking connection.
๐ฟ ๐ค Anita
anitaParticipantYou are welcome, Tom!
“I will do my best and at the end of the day, that is all I can do.”-
I will add to the above: sincerely, Tom:
Your best is good enough. Please let this truth sink in ๐ก
๐ฟ ๐ค Anita
anitaParticipantHello Dear Q ๐,
“close the door”-
Close the door on what? (If you can type away whatever comes to your mind..?)
๐ค๐ฟ Anita
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