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ParticipantDear Clara: I tried a few times to submit a How-are-you, Clara? Post on your newer thread, but it wouldn’t submit, so I am trying on your old thread: how are you, Clara?
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ParticipantCorrection: When she was not at home, I was able to relax.
Last sentence: I was physically and mentally exhausted and depressed in my first two decades+ of life.
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ParticipantDear Calm Moon:
I am sorry that you lost your little brother two years ago, the boy that you raised. It must be very painful for you..
You wrote about your manager: “too intrusive… She constantly wants to chat and complains a lot. It sucks energy out of me… her energy too controlling and non-negotiable. What’s strange is she seems to be open to ideas and listening, but in the end, she only pushes her ideas… She constantly messaged me throughout the days when I was on sick leave, asking me when I would come back… she constantly wrote to me and asked me to come in a very rude way. In the end, it was so crucial for me to come… I don’t know why I feel depressed and suffocated around her. She seems to be friendly. But many of her actions and words don’t align with me. When she’s absent, I can breathe again“-
– I can understand why her presence depresses and suffocates you, and why you can breathe again when you are not in her presence. I felt similarly regarding my mother when in her presence: she talked to me whenever she wanted to talk, no matter what I was doing. I was trying to do my homework, study for a test, read, focus on something else.. but she’d talk to me regardless, and often in an excited tone that agitated me.
She too was controlling and non-negotiable. She pushed her ideas on me; my ideas were of no value to her. She was very rude to me many times (beyond talking a lot no matter what I was doing). She was nice many times (to me and to others), but much of it was fake, a pretense. When her niceness was genuine, I was not able to appreciate because of the backlog of the too much rudeness and alarmingly consistent absence of consideration of what I may need, want, think and feel.
When she was at home, I was able to relax.
Intrusive is the right word. I once painted (following an art class), my mother’s hands intruding into my brain and messing with it. I was physically and mentally exhausted in my first two decades+ of life.
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ParticipantDear Jakub:
Good to read back from you. Indeed, there is no private messaging in this site. When I offered for the two of us to communicate for some time, I meant right here on your thread. I have done so with many members for months, even years. There were times, after communicating with a member for months, and at the suggestion of the member, we switched to email, but interestingly, in all cases but one, the communication was better here, in these forums. Personally, I feel more comfortable here.
If you would like, you can leave this thread as is, open to all members to reply, and start a new one where you address your original post (and every post following) to me, making it a conversation between you and me.
How do you feel about communicating here, or in a new thread addressed to me?
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ParticipantI still remember you, Emily=> Jasmine, thinking of you fondly.
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ParticipantRemind yourself of this, Zenith: no real threat= nothing to fear. repeat it while taking a few slow breaths, air in (courage in) and air out (fear out).
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ParticipantDear Zenith:
No real threat= nothing to fear. No?
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ParticipantDear Zenith:
I understand that it makes you so anxious and that you hate all the drama, but anxious and hate are feelings/ states of mind. What in objective terms are the dangers in the situation to you (loss of money/ resources, injury, death..)?
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ParticipantDear Zenith:
“I want to cut this off. I want to stop asking them when we go out. I want go out and make new friends“- this is a good plan. As I suggested before, you can have your husband take your daughter to her house sometimes, you don’t have to go there yourself.
“But I am unable to move on as I am scared she would blame me if i move on. She already blamed me for not texting. I am scared she would blame if I stop asking her or texting her…I am here scared like a little kid worried about her feelings.“- and what if she blames you.. what damage can her blaming/ her feelings cause you in real-life, objective terms (beyond how you feel about it)?
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ParticipantDear Irene 74:
A brief history: your first post in the forums was on March 30, 2015, more than 9 years ago (and less than two months before I joined the forums in May 2015). My first reply to you was on Aug 3, 2015. You started this current, 2nd thread on Sept 3, 2019, your last post here, before returning today, was on May 26, 2022 and my last reply was on the same day, 2 years and (almost) 5 months ago.
Welcome back!!!
Oct 14, 2024: “I’m still having stress at work, it just feels like I’ve always got something to be worried about! It’s a different situation but still the same old stress!“- having just reviewed our communication, it sees like we never talked about your childhood where the same old stress, could have originated, did we?
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ParticipantDear Jakub:
You shared that you (29) were born and raised in Eastern Europe. There, you were abused by close family members, and your mother was- is an alcoholic, “Classic parent-child reversal situation… used to look for her around pubs as a kid, to beg she comes home“. You moved to a country that’s not part of E. Europe at 15, with your parents, did well in school, and finished law school, living independently at 22. In the last few years, you quit a job you were dissatisfied with, went back to school, and joined one of the biggest law firms in the world. A week from now, you will be moving to a house where you will be living alone for the first time in your life, with plenty of living- space you didn’t have before, something you are looking forward to.
Since you quit your job, etc.: “I have felt like a scared child. The same innate, overwhelming fear I had of my abuser as a child, I now experience almost constantly in life… each day is marked by an impending feeling of doom“- the challenges of quitting a job, going back to school and working in a very challenging environment awakened or intensified the fear you had as a child, fear of your abuser or abusers with whom you were stuck for too long.
“I haven’t failed at anything and yet each day is marked by an impending feeling of doom“- you had zero chances of success, as a child, to stop the abuse, to get your parents to protect you, and to take care of your mother (“parent- child reversal situation“), so that she will finally take care of you. You failed at tasks that are impossible for a child.
“My whole life I’ve felt like the thoughts in my brain are somehow naughty or wrong, like somehow there’s something innately evil within me and it makes me second guess everything…“- you took responsibility for the evil that was perpetrated against you, as children naturally do, believing that the abusers were not acting on their evil intents, but reacting to the evil or wrongness within you.
“I can’t put energy into a relationship. But I need to somehow figure out how to give myself a sense of security that will help me keep going through tough times in life (such as this job right now)… .. How do I stop feeling like an abused little child that I’m not anymore, how do I become able to put more energy into the difficult job I’m trying to succeed at, and how do I become comfortable with being single for so long that perversely I find someone good to be with?! Everything seems so convoluted.“-
– Simplify the Complicated, Clarify the Confusion, Re-label yourself Good. A sense of security requires that you believe that there is a good person, a good child within you, so that you will finally take his side and give the wrongness back to where it belongs: with the abusers.
I imagine that you made some bad choices as an adult and that you had and have thoughts and feelings that you disapprove of, thinking that these are evidence that you are a bad person and have been a bad person from the start. But such choices can be learned from and corrected, and.. perverse or convoluted thoughts and feelings are reactions to abuse, or just.. normal thoughts and feelings that you view negatively.
There are no good or bad thoughts and feelings because we don’t choose them and they do not help or harm others. Only behaviors (words we communicate and acts we perform) can help or harm, and therefore, be good or bad.
I was abused too as a child. I felt Wrong and Bad as well, and I had to re-label myself Good by going back to my childhood, so to speak, and giving the Bad back to where it belongs. I would like to communicate with you for some time, if you would like that.
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ParticipantDear Zenith:
“Honestly I don’t want have to the conversation about my past… You get hurt when someone who is close to you suddenly drifts apart from you once they meet new people… Now I am scared she would cause any drama by telling others I had hurt her because I have had the same thing happen with other friends who would always blame and create the drama.”– time for the Serenity Prayer, asking the following: “Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference”.
You cannot change what she will tell others, what others will tell her (gossip, drama). You can change or control only what you say to others.
Because people gossip, in the future, don’t tell person A who is in the habit of gossiping what you don’t want person B, C and D to know. When you are talking to Gossiper A, imagine as you speak to her, that Gossiper B, C are also there, hearing you. Also, do not gossip about others (telling person A negative/ judgmental things about person B)
Think before you speak, asking yourself: if I say what I feel like saying now, will it cause drama? Is there a way for me to say what I want to say in a way that is likely to ease conflict (instead of fueling conflict)?
You cannot change her choices of friends or how she feels about you. Try to make peace with it. I would give up on trying to befriend her, or re-friend her. Think of her as a neighbor and an acquaintance, not as a friend.
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ParticipantDear Zenith: I’ll be back to you Sun.
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ParticipantDear Zenith:
The relationship with her is not in a good place, and she is intentionally ignoring you. I wish that she was sensitive to your feelings about being excluded and that she had made efforts in the past to have you included. But even if she did, I assume that you’d still feel excluded at times because of how deep this wound is within you. I’d call it the Excluded Wound (EXW)
“I just want to end this friendship but I keep giving her chances as I do not want to leave her“- there needs to be some honest conversations between the two of you where you’ll explain to her what is hurting you (the EXW), how it came about (having been excluded earlier in life), how much of the sting now is about your past, not about her (so that she doesn’t feel blamed and gets defensive).. a conversation that will get her (hopefully) to feel empathetic toward you.
You want her empathy, not pity, of course, so present yourself in a way that is respectful to you. With no real, honest conversation, I see no resolution.
“On top of that my daughter asks for her daughter. Today my husband went to her house and took along my daughter as little one wanted to play with her desperately“- with the relationship between you and her being in a bad place, I see no other way for your daughter to play with hers, other than your husband taking your daughter to her house.
I wish you didn’t suffer, Zenith..!
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ParticipantDear CutieJ:
You are welcome. Your 9-days visit with her has ended, I am glad you made it home safely.
Beginning of visit: “I came to her place today. She picked me up at the airport” (Oct 2),
Ending of visit: “I worked late at the company to distract myself, and got on the bus to go back home. It was long and scary rides, as I’ve never been on a bus in this city or at this time. After I got off the bus, I ran between cars and bushes to walk back home” (Oct 11).
You arrived to her place, her city by plane and returned to your place, your city by bus? Was it a very long bus ride?
Did the two of you break up, or are you still in a relationship?
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