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anitaParticipant
Dear Raising Again:
You are very welcome. Do your best to be kind to yourself, and you will perform better at work and elsewhere. Anytime you’d like to share more, here on this thread or in another you may want to start in the future (so to not feel alone), you are welcome to do so.
anita
June 17, 2024 at 6:37 pm in reply to: Telling the difference between gut and fear in relationships #433930anitaParticipantDear Seaturtle:
oceanic society. org: “Sea turtles are often compared to dinosaurs due to their scaly, reptilian appearance. In fact, sea turtles were around at the same time as dinosaurs! That’s right, sea turtles as we know them today evolved 110 million years ago and have changed very little in the years since. This means that they not only coexisted with dinosaurs for around 45 million years, but they also outlived them, surviving the mass extinction event that took place approximately 65 million years ago…
“Sea turtles take an extremely long time to grow from a hatchling into a reproductive adult. Depending on the species, a female sea turtle can take between 10 and 30+ years to lay her first eggs“- and the Sea Turtle OP of this thread is 25-years-old, still has time before laying her first eggs..?
“When sea turtles hatch from their nests, it’s thought that they learn their location using the Earth’s magnetic field, a phenomenon known as geomagnetic imprinting. Even after as many as 30 years, when a sea turtle hatchling becomes a mature adult, it remembers the location from which it was born, like an address. The turtle will then be able to navigate thousands of miles back to the same beach (or nearby beach) to lay its eggs“- thinking about you, Sea Turtle.
anita
anitaParticipantI am sorry that you are suffering, Kshitij. I wish I could help. I wish you will get help from someone, someone who understands exactly what you need, and how to go about it.
anita
anitaParticipantLisa feels Alone, but she is not alone feeling-Alone: there are others out there feeling utterly alone. I felt Alone for the longest time. I am not Alone Anymore.
anita
June 17, 2024 at 5:49 pm in reply to: growing up – becoming adul / procrastination – in connection to childhood trauma #433927anitaParticipantThinking about you, Robi, hoping you are okay.
anita
anitaParticipantDear Flow28: I didn’t do a good job in my first reply. I’ll try again:
I can see how hurt you are. The shock and disappointment: from “I was sure we were together” to him saying: “we’re not together yet“, his preference to go to a long trip without you, and now, he’s seeing someone else. All this left you hurt, sad, angry, doubting if he was not into you, or if you scared him off.
It is hard to analyze his words (those you quoted) without seeing the context: the whole conversation, what led to it, etc.
Seems like you were more interested in him than he was in you, and so, the (unofficial) relationship had a power imbalance: you were in the weak position, the one chasing him to take you with him on the long trip, the one pressuring him to make the relationship official (the ultimatum), the one hanging on his words.
And seems to me that he has some problems that preceded you and more likely than not, there would have been a breakup even if you behaved.. perfectly. After all, most relationships, particularly those starting online, don’t last long.
I am sorry that you are hurting and I hope that you will learn what you can learn from the experience and that you feel better soon. Learning often makes me feel better. i hope to read from you again.
anita
anitaParticipantContinued:
I am experiencing Less Fear, less Anxiety and enough Healing to feel, to subjectively experience mental health. To actually understand it, not from the rational level, but from the emotional level: to understand this novel idea that I am of no less value than anyone else. That’s an amazing emotional understanding for me, very new. I always thought/ felt/ believed that I was less than every one else, way less. It was a horrible way to go through life. It wasn’t really living, it was surviving as an inferior specimen.
How strange. Today, for the first time in my life, I can see myself a mother, and teaching him/ her well. Too old for that, but I can see it now, I can see myself a mother.
I felt today, for the first time in my life, no fear about making waves in real-life, expressing my discontent, for someone hearing my discontent, my complaint.. not afraid to cause things to happen, to affect events.
Me: having a say irl, expressing and feeling empathy for myself. I feel.. equal and healthy, and it is an amazing feeling!
anita
anitaParticipantDear Raising Again:
“Few of my ex-colleagues… are quick and good in their work… I feel bad about myself for not able to complete my work on time and doing my work with little progress only… My Friend says it ok for the little progress, as she has long term plan for me. I just feel struck with myself… Please help.“-
– you say that you have kids. Let’s say one of your kids starts school in Jan instead of Sept the year before. Her classroom peers are advanced in their studies and your kid is a beginner. Where would your focus be, as a mother: on how well her peers are doing and how less your kid is doing in comparison, or on the progress your kid is making every day (however small)?
anita
anitaParticipantDear Flow28:
“He was texting me a lot, calling, setting up dates etc. He said he’d never felt so good with anyone before. He mentioned us being in a relationship in the future“- he was already in a relationship with you when he said that there may be a relationship in the future.
“He said ‘for us to blah blah (I don’t remember at this point) we’d have to be in a relationship’ and then he added ‘but when we get into one in the future, we will (…)’“- indirectly, he made a promise to you: that there will be a relationship in the future (while there was one in the present).
“He added he wouldn’t cheat on me & that he uninstalled the app.”- according to his words, he was in an exclusive relationship with you.
“I said someone who loves his gf would take her with him… He was like ‘you’re not my gf’, ‘we’re not together yet, we’re still seeing each other…’“- the image of a man (after a swim) sitting by the pool with one foot in the water, comes to mind, saying: I am not in the pool yet.
“he said we were seeing each other once a week or even less, which is completely untrue (it was 2-3 times per week). He said we weren’t texting regularly but we were“- continuing the image above, you tell the man sitting by the pool: what do you mean you are not in the pool yet, you were in it 10 minutes ago, that’s why you are still wet! And he says: no I wasn’t! Or, I almost wasn’t.
“He said he felt uncomfortable with me treating it as if we’re a bf & gf bc ‘it’s not at that level of closeness’ & that he didn’t like such control. He has told me he hasn’t asked me to be official because I didn’t trust him“-
– the clue to his behavior may be in the words control and trust: maybe he doesn’t trust women and fears being controlled by a woman, so he, figuratively, only dips his foot in the water, or if he takes a swim, he quickly exits the pool and denies he was in it.
“During our early dates he would make sexual innuendos and jokes & he complimented my looks. He talked about his sexual preferences… he wasn’t really affectionate… he said he had been with many girls but didn’t sleep with anyone before me“- it is possible that he lied when he told you that he didn’t sleep with anyone before you, and that he lied about other things as well, and like most or all people who lie, some of what he said was true, overall producing a mix of truths and lies. It is also possible that he has a very low sexual drive.
What do you think?
anita
anitaParticipantDear Zenith:
Hush that voice, lower its volume, literally utter hushhh shhhhhhhh, kind of suffocate its voice under the hushing.
anita
anitaParticipantDear Zenith:
I knew you’d survive the colonoscopy, and you’ll survive the recent bout of religious OCD. No wonder it got triggered in India, with your family, because that’s where it started.
“OCD is telling me that I am a bad Muslim. This theme sucks“- what if you talk back to the OCD and say to it: you suck, ocd! Maybe standing up to the ocd will make a difference!
“I always felt less anxious at my mother’s place, but now I don’t have the peace of mind.“- key word: less (anxious). OCD will make any person anxious, that’s why it sucks. What if now, that you are in the location where religious ocd started, what if you courageously talk back to it/ stand up to it?
anita
anitaParticipantContinued:
I never paid much attention to the word narcissistic (and to the diagnosis of Narcissistic Personality Disorder, NPD) because it’s so commonly used online and elsewhere as name calling. It is only recently, that I am taking the term/ diagnosis seriously when it comes to my mother. I accepted long ago, that she is/ has been a mix of these personality disorders: Borderline, Histrionic, Paranoid, and Obsessive Compulsive, showing strong evidence for each part of this 4-part combo.
Understanding myself requires that I understand her because of the very, very long-term fusion- in my mind- between who I am, and who she is. Recently, I see that I cannot understand her without adding a 5th part of the 4-part combo above, a 5th part that is the basis for the other 4: her NPD, the covert type.
It explains her “highly developed compensatory false self” (quotes are from online sources about NPD) which created great confusion and self-doubt on my part: for how can such a nice, friendly, empathetic, good person- with others- be the bad mother that I personally, and privately experienced?
It explains why she didn’t see me as a person (entitled to my own thoughts and feelings, such that are not always identical to hers), how she was not about relating to me, but about dominating me, and using me to feel better; how she placed herself in the center of attention with me and in every social occasion, if it was possible for her to do so. It explains how I was not allowed to be a center of attention (except as a thing to be cleaned, dressed, fed, and brought back to health when I was sick with fever).
To her, I did not exist as a person, I was a thing that she expected to .. be her/ an extension of her who thinks her thoughts, feels her feelings at all times. It explains her RAGE, her narcissistic rage: “unreasonable, disproportional and cuttingly aggressive… intentionally trying to inflict pain.., on others“. It explains how in her mind, the problem was always someone else, always my fault. It explains why she never took in any of what I tried to educate her with (as a teenager, reading about psychology in books, trying to help her).
It explains to me that really, there was nothing I could have been differently or done differently to have anything but a troubled relationship with her. A healthy relationship was simply not possible: not because of who I was, but because of who she was/ is.
There are things I understand most recently that I never understood before: before, I thought that she was the only good person in the world, and everyone else was bad and taking advantage of her (that was her histrionic theme). Most recently, a thought occurred to me for the first time: if she was the only good person in the world, the only person in the world who is being taken advantage of (because she is good), who do all the many millions of bad people in the world taking advantage of? They can’t all be taking advantage of my mother..?
In other words, if (according to her theme), she is and has been the only victim in the world, and everyone else (including myself) are her victimizers/ the perpetrators.. who are all the many millions of perpetrators victimizing? Surely, my mother is not available to be victimized in every town, city, country, continent, every moment of every day and night?
Surely, my mother is not omnipresent, except in her own narcissistic mind where she is everywhere and there’s no one there but her.
* I am still not angry at her, still no-longer angry after a lifetime of angry..
anita
anitaParticipantDear Kshitij:
I had some thoughts this morning about the relationship of Anger and Ruminating/ Intrusive Thinking; the role of anger that’s repressed (subconsciously pushed down, without awareness) and suppressed (consciously pushed down, with awareness). I thought of Anger being to Intrusive Thoughts like Fuel to a fire.
And so, I re-read much of what you shared since Feb 18 (almost 4 months ago). Following are quotes from what you shared since April 10, followed by my comments and a practical suggestion. Please read, if you will, this long post when you have the time and do so patiently. (All your words included in the quotes are important. What I boldface are some of the words that show me that your anger exists in the present time):
“I have never heard an appreciation or compliment from my father about my nature, about who I am, apart from studies. Instead from early childhood, I would get to listen to very harsh criticism and ‘sermons’ (if the word conveys what I try to say) on even the most trivial issues. He would use to presume that in any given situation, I would be automatically at fault. It was like he had a problem with everything I did… My father would project his anger towards… my grandfather (to) me… At times it felt that he was not eve considering me as an individual person, and just as a copy of my grandfather… he did have a problem with me not being ‘like’ him, in my thoughts, actions, behavior and other things. One reason he acts differently towards my younger brother is because he probably sees himself in his personality, he finds a similarity…. Since childhood I would use to ruminate over incidents of his unkind treatment, and that happens even now when I think about a past situation, or hypothesize about a future confrontation. It leads me to rage fits at times, although I am usually a calm person. If I remember correctly, back when I was a kid/teenager, there used to be times when I would be filled with rage, despair and frustration and I would cry myself to sleep…
“At times these memories and thoughts lead me to rage fits, where my anger just seems to be like boiling. Even today before writing this post I had one such instance of rumination which led to me getting enraged over him again. I was at home for a few weeks in March-April and I had a few situations with him, so my thoughts have become more frequent since then…
“I am trying to process the childhood trauma, meditation and journaling are helping me in at least keeping my mental peace and not letting my past memories and rage subsume me completely. I am sometimes surprised seeing that a memory which would cause rage to me five years ago has the same sting even today… Sometimes I just end up having violent rage-filled thoughts that ruin my mood and subsequently my day. No matter how many times I have gone over a past memory, it stirs the same emotions every single time…
“I feel emotionally exhausted by having either intrusive or enraged thoughts… I had to bear up with a lot of ‘sermons’ from him, criticisms and disapprovals from other members of my family; I began focusing too much on ‘achieving’ things, in pursuit of ‘showing everyone’ what I could do through my decisions and career. Now I see, this showed up in my workaholism and my desire for external achievements and approvals… I think that is one area where my father’s past behavior definitely impacted me because it had already damaged my self-esteem as a child. It felt comforting to type down all these things…
“Being enraged for a considerable time of the day is indeed exhausting, I was in a loop of enraging memories a few minutes ago as well. It becomes very difficult to not let the emotions take over, it is even interfering with my studies at time. On your reply dated 20th May- the officer certainly did that because they wanted to, it was completely intentional. I could see other applicants getting their files approved with ease, and even after submitting the required clarification multiple times, they just didn’t let my application proceed. The more I tried, the more personal it became for them. I don’t know why they did all that, but it was unjust, it felt cruelly unfair. I agree that there was some unresolved anger because I took that anger on myself. I was frustrated, frustrated to the melting point, and I took that frustration on myself. It felt that I was taking some revenge by hurting myself. I can remember this because during that time, I simply refused self-care or any help, I began developing an apathy towards myself, believing inside that why should I put my efforts when all things have to happen this way. A part of my intrusive thoughts are about self-harming behavior (not physical harm) like discontinuing therapy, cutting off all friendships and relations, refusing proper diet and taking care of my physical health and even giving up my career aspirations and a desire for numbness… It was a point when I began feeling anger towards life itself, because all I could feel was despair, defeat and hopelessness, I felt so much for pity for myself for having to face all this. I would like to know more about solving this unresolved anger... It’s been pointed out to me by some of my closest people that I do have a habit of self-loathing“.
My comments (all quotes in this section are taken from the above): your father’s criticism of you was severe, in objective terms. I can tell how severe he was in his criticisms by how severely his criticisms affected you for all the years of your life so far. What fueled his severe, very harsh criticisms has been his rage (intense anger) at his father, rage that he projected into you. You did nothing to deserve his rage. You were the victim. He victimized you.
As a child, you naturally felt hurt and angry about how terribly wrong his behavior was. You naturally ruminated about the severe criticisms and rumination prolonged your anger, back then, as a child, and since then: “Since childhood I would use to ruminate over incidents of his unkind treatment, and that happens even now.. It leads me to rage fits at times, although I am usually a calm person“- I suppose you are usually a cam person not because of absent anger, but because of repressed anger.
“At times these memories and thoughts lead me to rage fits, where my anger just seems to be like boiling“- at times, your repressed anger (hidden below your awareness), and suppressed anger (which you intentionally push down, when you do) rises up to the surface, flooding your awareness with overwhelming rage and other very difficult emotions.
At times, your anger is directed at your father but I don’t think you expressed it to him, overtly. So much valid/ understandable anger not expressed, what happens to it? It’s gets misdirected against the self: “I do have a habit of self-loathing“.
Anger is an energy in motion, it moves, and it has to have the body move with it (moving the body to say something or do something). When the anger is pushed down (not saying anything, not doing anything: no external expression), it keeps moving below the surface, creating internal distress: depression, despair and other very difficult emotional experiences.
A practical suggestion: express the rage safely, in small, controlled portions (so that you don’t get overwhelmed). Perhaps here, in your thread, by typing away angry letters to your father (such that at this point at least, you will not be sending him). Perhaps hitting a pillow at home. Express the anger: let it move from inside of you to the outside, move through your fingers typing a letter to him, and/ or through your hands hitting a pillow.
Through safe, adequate expression (perhaps in talk therapy as well), you will be free from repressed and suppressed anger, and your internal distress, including ruminating and intrusive thinking, will lessen and lessen until gone.
anita
anitaParticipantDear Kshitij:
What if you bring your laptop or phone to the session and tell/ message her that she can message you her questions and you’ll message her your answers..? That way you will not need to speak at all.
* I wonder if it’d be less difficult for you to vocally answer her questions if you don’t keep eye-contact with her, if you look away and focus on an object in the room. Also, dim lights may help. (You can let her know that this is your preference, if it is)
anita
anitaParticipantDear Kshitij:
Oh, you shared nothing at all with her. If the problem is that it’s difficult for you to share in-person/ face to face, you can type and print half a page with all that troubles you, and hand it to her to read at the beginning of the session (or if you have her email address, you can send her an email instead). You can even copy parts of what you shared in this thread, print/or email it to her.
Or you can print half a page or so, and read from it to her, at the beginning of the session.
Otherwise, you can start with: I suffer from Intrusive and Anxious Thoughts (the title of your thread) that are distressing, depressing and exhausting, and my sleep is troubled (it’s 12:54 am where you are at right now!)
anita
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