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anitaParticipant
Dear Kshitij:
You are welcome. I am looking forward to reading how the daily routine works for you following about a week of it.
“can you suggest me on how should I open with my therapist because I do not think I will be able to share anything in the coming session too“- can you tell me what did you share with her so far (and/ or what you didn’t share with her at all)?
anita
anitaParticipantDear Kshitij:
You are welcome. I am sorry to read that you suffer from a nerve compression that causes you severe pain..
“Please tell me what should I do“- to the exercise regime you are already doing, add some aerobic exercise (walking and/ or swimming) that is safe for you to do, about the same time every day.
Listen to one of Mark Williams audios every day, perhaps in the morning and at night.
At times when you feel acute distress, get up, move around, get outside if possible (don’t stay seated).
How is that for a start?
anita
June 13, 2024 at 8:05 am in reply to: Telling the difference between gut and fear in relationships #433811anitaParticipantDear Seaturtle:
I have more time this morning, sitting in front of the computer, to reply to your yesterday’s posts more attentively. You asked me yesterday: “Him calling me selfish, cold and that I made him feel used. Those are things my father also told me. I don’t want to be those things, do you think those could be false selves?”
From Wikipedia/ true self and false self:
“The true self (also known as real self, authentic self, original self and vulnerable self) and the false self (also known as fake self, idealized self, superficial self and pseudo self) are a psychological dualism conceptualized by English psychoanalyst Donald Winnicott. Winnicott used ‘true self’ to denote a sense of self based on spontaneous authentic experience and a feeling of being alive, having a real self with little to no contradiction.
“‘False self’, by contrast, denotes a sense of self created as a defensive façade, which in extreme cases can leave an individual lacking spontaneity and feeling dead and empty behind an inconsistent and incompetent appearance of being real, such as in narcissism…
“when what Winnicott was careful to describe as good enough parenting—i.e., not necessarily perfect—was not in place, the infant’s spontaneity was in danger of being encroached on by the need for compliance with the parents’ wishes/expectations. The result could be the creation of what Winnicott called the ‘false self’, where ‘other people’s expectations can become of overriding importance, overlaying or contradicting the original sense of self, the one connected to the very roots of one’s being’. The danger he saw was that ‘through this false self, the infant builds up a false set of relationships, and by means of introjections even attains a show of being real’, while, in fact, merely concealing a barren emptiness behind an independent-seeming façade”.
Back to your words from yesterday: “I have been called ‘cold’ by the people that I do in fact intend to distance myself from. Like F, my friend P and N… Him calling me selfish, cold and that I made him feel used. Those are things my father also told me. I don’t want to be those things, do you think those could be false selves? Because if they are, then he saw them.. What do you think about the concept of the people we meet in life are mirrors into ourselves? I don’t like my reflection looking at him, does that make it wrong?”-
– First, “What do you think about the concept of the people we meet in life are mirrors into ourselves?”- the people we meet generally show us who they are, more than who we are. Generally, the mirrors we look at in others show us a murky mix of who they are and who we are.
Second: “I have been called ‘cold’ by the people that I do in fact intend to distance myself from. Like F, my friend P and N… Him calling me selfish, cold and that I made him feel used. Those are things my father also told me. I don’t want to be those things, do you think those could be false selves?“- I don’t want to answer this because I don’t want to either join the people who call you cold, selfish and/ or a user, and I don’t want to tell you that you are not these things because you may be, at times.
Therefore, I will tell you about me in regard to my true and false selves: my true self was loving and trusting and felt ALIVE, but then, it was terribly abused by my mother, twisted into knots and generally emptied of the feeling of being ALIVE. What followed was a feeling of emptiness, an inner death of sorts, depression, shame and guilt.
My mother was paranoid and very much emotionally detached from me and often, angry at me. One of my false selves was the angry, judgmental self that was invested in a misguided loyalty to my abuser: I was angry at the people who hurt her, and since she claimed that everyone (sooner or later) was hurting her, I hated everyone, including myself. The purpose of this false self was to be on my mother’s side so that she will be.. on my side, so that she and I will be together.
These days, I am in the process of dissolving this false self and resurrecting the generally trusting, loving self, loving and trusting myself and others.
anita
June 13, 2024 at 7:21 am in reply to: Telling the difference between gut and fear in relationships #433810anitaParticipantDear Seaturtle:
I have more time this morning, sitting in front of the computer, to reply to your yesterday’s posts more attentively. You asked me yesterday: “Him calling me selfish, cold and that I made him feel used. Those are things my father also told me. I don’t want to be those things, do you think those could be false selves?”
From Wikipedia/ true self and false self:
“The true self (also known as real self, authentic self, original self and vulnerable self) and the false self (also known as fake self, idealized self, superficial self and pseudo self) are a psychological dualism conceptualized by English psychoanalyst Donald Winnicott. Winnicott used ‘true self’ to denote a sense of self based on spontaneous authentic experience and a feeling of being alive, having a real self with little to no contradiction.<sup id=”cite_ref-2″ class=”reference”></sup> ‘False self’, by contrast, denotes a sense of self created as a defensive façade,<sup id=”cite_ref-:0_1-1″ class=”reference”></sup> which in extreme cases can leave an individual lacking spontaneity and feeling dead and empty behind an inconsistent and incompetent appearance of being real, such as in narcissism…<sup id=”cite_ref-:0_1-2″ class=”reference”></sup>
“when what Winnicott was careful to describe as good enough parenting—i.e., not necessarily perfect<sup id=”cite_ref-4″ class=”reference”></sup>—was not in place, the infant’s spontaneity was in danger of being encroached on by the need for compliance with the parents’ wishes/expectations.<sup id=”cite_ref-5″ class=”reference”></sup> The result could be the creation of what Winnicott called the ‘false self’, where ‘other people’s expectations can become of overriding importance, overlaying or contradicting the original sense of self, the one connected to the very roots of one’s being’.<sup id=”cite_ref-6″ class=”reference”></sup> The danger he saw was that ‘through this false self, the infant builds up a false set of relationships, and by means of introjections even attains a show of being real’,<sup id=”cite_ref-7″ class=”reference”></sup> while, in fact, merely concealing a barren emptiness behind an independent-seeming façade”.
* I will submit this post next because I expect lots of extra print because I pasted and copied from Wikipedia. In the next post, I will remove the extra print.
anitaParticipantContinued:
There is a war in the middle east, Iran (by proxy of Hizballah and Hammas and the Houthis) vs Israel. I was born in Israel, lived there for 24 years. I speak Hebrew.
All along, my Mother was My Enemy: not the terrorists, not the Arab nations nearby (Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon). My personal enemy was my mother: isn’t it amazing, that in this context of national enemies & terrorists-within, my own, personal, private enemy, was this one person, just one: my mother..?
I think that the BEGINNING of every war is a mother (or father) turning against her/ his child.
anita
anitaParticipantDear Kshitij:
Again, I am replying sooner than I planned.
“I have been feeling depressed the whole day. Tried to uplift myself by watching something or studying, but there is a heaviness inside me. It did get slightly better in the evening… I hope things get better (even if slightly) without (psychiatric medicine), that’s my only bet. Thanks Kshitij“-
– you are welcome!
Question: are you able and willing to commit to a daily routine of (1) aerobic exercise (jogging or fast walking), (2) yoga and/ or Tai Chi and (3) a few guided mindfulness meditations?
anita
June 12, 2024 at 6:55 pm in reply to: Telling the difference between gut and fear in relationships #433788anitaParticipantThank you, Seaturtle: I am still thrilled (not on the phone now, so no emojis in this post)!
anita
June 12, 2024 at 5:09 pm in reply to: Telling the difference between gut and fear in relationships #433785anitaParticipantStill typed on my phone: thank you 😊 ☺️ 🙂 🙏 (these emojis are the only ones that showed up for me) thank you, Helcat!
Anita
anitaParticipantDear Kshitij:
I read your update, and will reply further tomorrow. For now, I accept your assertion that you will not go the psychiatric medicine route. I hope you sleep better tonight!
Anita
anitaParticipantHow are you, Kshitij?
Anita
June 12, 2024 at 2:54 pm in reply to: Telling the difference between gut and fear in relationships #433777anitaParticipantDear Seaturtle: The above is my first EVER tiny buddha emoji
Thrilled true self anita
June 12, 2024 at 2:48 pm in reply to: Telling the difference between gut and fear in relationships #433776anitaParticipant😄
June 12, 2024 at 2:44 pm in reply to: Telling the difference between gut and fear in relationships #433775anitaParticipantDear Seaturtle
This is the first time EVER that I am typing a post using my phone, I don’t know how to copy and paste. Or how to find an exclamation mark, etc. Nonetheless, this is history in the making, znd it is done on your thread.
About false selves mirrored by N, specifically you being cold, his word, as in Cold False Self Seaturtle, and being selfish, his word, as in Selfish False Self Seaturtle… Let me ask you first: did you behave coldly and selfishly with him- Sometimes? Often? Rarely? Never?
anita
June 12, 2024 at 10:21 am in reply to: Telling the difference between gut and fear in relationships #433767anitaParticipantDear Seaturtle:
I want to supplement the above post, because it is not balanced. It is my current understanding that the relationship with N failed because of this combination: (1) he did not see you enough, partly because he is stoned much of the time, and (2) your craving to be seen has been intense, and when you felt unseen, you overreacted, emotionally and often, behaviorally as well (the overreaction started at the very beginning of the relationship with N, on the 3rd date; it’s not a reaction to who N is, it’s something you brought with you into the relationship).
A few examples in your own words, starting in your first, July 29, 2023, post: “Our third date, he accidently stood me up after an all-nighter and I was absolutely devastated, and told him it was over“.
“My flirtation is lost on him and that is sooooooo hard for me“.
“He is silent and I don’t catch him staring at me or complimenting me… N doesn’t really laugh at my jokes… And in those moments I feel so so lonely“.
“I want to explode and just be like: “DO YOU SEE ME“?
“On fourth of July I was upset with him, honestly, I cannot remember what he did, but I remember feeling like he didn’t care about my feelings and was putting other things ahead of me… I cried and wanted to just run away“.
“He sometimes doesn’t text me and just lets me wait, which feels quite tormenting“.
End of examples.
I don’t want to analyze the above here. I think that if you attend psychotherapy with a therapist you can trust, it’d be the place to bring the above up with the therapist.
I hope you are well, Seaturtle, thinking about you fondly!
anita
anitaParticipantDear Kshitij:
I decided to reply this evening because if I reply tomorrow, that would be after your session with your therapist. So, before your session, my input is that I believe that you do need professional help with your depression.
My understanding of depression, as well as intrusive thoughts, is that your brain is in the chemical habit (neurotransmitters secreted in the brain, hormones secreted into the blood) of depression and intrusive thoughts. To change this habit, it’d take a serious commitment to a new habit: a new daily routine of physical exercise, mindfulness-guided meditations, Tai Chi, and/ or yoga, etc. If you don’t have the ability to embark on such a daily routine, then anti-depressants that are effective at relieving depression and obsessive/ intrusive thinking is your best bet, not for a lifetime, but for a while, so to take the edge of the distress, giving you the relief that you need.
I hope you address possible solutions, including (temporary) psychiatric drugs with the therapist tomorrow!
anita
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