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April 17, 2025 at 9:16 am in reply to: The Betrayal We Buried: Healing Through Truth & Connection #444944
anita
ParticipantThank you, Jana. Your words truly mean a lot. I appreciate your kindness and empathy. It’s comforting to have my love for my mother recognized and appreciated—even if not by her.
anita
April 16, 2025 at 9:00 pm in reply to: The Betrayal We Buried: Healing Through Truth & Connection #444919anita
ParticipantI didn’t see my mother since 2011, didn’t talk to her since 2013. I know she is likely to die any day, any hour, and for the first time in my life, there will be a world for me where there is no mother for me, forevermore.
One would say (I would say), why not contact her in her last days, let her know, let her know I love her so-
Oh, the dream.
The dream that she will finally know that I love her so.
But she won’t know, she can’t know. It will be another waste of my time, decades-long waste of me.
My love for her is like oil and she is like Teflon. My love doesn’t stick, it floats and off the pan it goes, unacknowledged, unrecognized, unregistered.
So, who am I telling this to? Is anyone hearing/ reading me? Who am I talking to?
Myself, I suppose. is there anyone else hearing me on this Wednesday night?
I think that I am trying to make her hear me, trying to reach her one last time, yet I am absolutely sure my effort is fruitless because my life is a testimony of this fruitlessness. So, I am telling you- someone who may be reading this, or not- I love, loved my mother with all of my heart, with all of my soul, but she wouldn’t, couldn’t take it in. So, I drowned in unacknowledged love turned to hate turned back to love.
Goodbye, mother. May you rest in peace as you take your last breath. Mother, unreachable, unapproachable. I love you so, I always did.
anita
April 16, 2025 at 8:10 pm in reply to: The Betrayal We Buried: Healing Through Truth & Connection #444918anita
ParticipantLooking at the title of this thread, “The Betrayal We Buried”- indeed it’s a We, people betrayed, people here, there, everywhere. Trust- such a precious, precious thing, oh, so valuable, most valuable. Nothing is more important- to be worthy of someone’s trust.
Trust, a 5-letter word- so desperately needed in this world full of betrayal.
No criticism from me, no disapproval, no judgment, only acceptance- how precious is this? is there anything more precious?
People die all kinds of deaths because of betrayal, subtle ways, violent ways, tragic ways. The loss of childhood innocence- tragic.
Back to life is about trusting again- if not in others, than in myself, to be there for you like I said I will. To be worthy of your trust.
anita
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ParticipantDear Tom:
Thank you for sharing this with me. I think it’s great that you’re considering therapy—it can be incredibly helpful when you find the right therapist and the right approach. You might want to explore one or a combination of the following:
1. Trauma-Focused Therapy
Cognitive Processing Therapy (CPT) – Helps reframe negative thoughts and beliefs shaped by trauma.Prolonged Exposure Therapy (PE) – Gradually reduces fear and anxiety by confronting distressing memories.
Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing (EMDR) – Uses guided eye movements to process traumatic memories without needing to verbalize them.
2. Therapy for Overthinking & Anxiety
Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT) – Helps challenge negative thought patterns and develop healthier coping mechanisms.Mindfulness-Based Therapy – Encourages present-moment awareness to reduce excessive rumination.
3. Therapy for Family & Relationship Impact
Therapy that explores how childhood experiences shape current relationships and emotional responses.I completely understand that figuring out where to start can feel overwhelming, but even taking the step to research options is a significant move forward.
I appreciate you keeping me updated, and I’ll be here to listen whenever you need. No matter what, just know that you’re doing the best you can in this moment, and that’s enough. Wishing you clarity as you navigate this period—I believe in your ability to find what works for you.
anita
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ParticipantDear Zenith:
No reason to apologize for sharing your thoughts and feelings here. I really want to take the time tomorrow, research things and offer you something of substance. Please feel free to add anything that might be useful for my understanding before I get back to you.
anita
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ParticipantAnd I am okay with you giving me advice because I trust you.
anita
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ParticipantDear Zenith:
It breaks my heart to read your last sentence. I want to reply to you tomorrow morning when I am more focused so to offer you some meaningful advice.
In the meantime, a thought that just occurred to me: as a child your daughter’s age, I wouldn’t have dared talking to my mother the way your daughter sometimes talks to you, I was too afraid of her and for her (I was afraid that the wrong word will make her fall apart and die 😢). In a way, your daughter is better off than I was because she feels safe enough to express how she feels.
Of course, things need to get better, and they can get better! I will be back to you in the morning.
anita
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ParticipantDear Lucidity:
Thank you for your deeply introspective message. I’m genuinely grateful for our conversations—they feel like discovering a twin sister I never knew I had, someone so similar to me, so compatible in thought and understanding. Thank you so much for simply being you.
Here, I’ll be thinking out loud as I respond to what you shared:
“It is true that I have been the more resistant to allowing my family’s dysfunction to infiltrate what I know is my reality, and I am the more rebellious of my sister and me… But then I also see that I accommodated my family’s narrative, stayed silent at my mum’s mistreatment of me… What does that do to someone to have these two conflicting personality traits?”-
It creates deep inner conflict, and with conflict comes distress. Holding both defiance and compliance within you means constantly navigating opposing forces—wanting to resist but feeling trapped by the environment around you.
“In the same way, applying this to my sister who was… always more submissive in nature, less confrontational—what does it do to a person like her…?”-
It likely made her far less conflicted or distressed—if at all. Being the younger sibling, she had the advantage of observing what happened to you when you weren’t always submissive, and she decided she didn’t want to experience the same consequences. You didn’t have that privilege—you were born first and had to navigate everything firsthand.
“I think this type of question is what keeps me up at night. If you’re familiar with the narcissist literature, then you may know of the family roles involved—the scapegoat (that was me) and the golden child (my sister)… My sister doesn’t appear to fit into what I’ve learned should happen to a golden child in that they become like the narcissist.”-
This could be because your mother wasn’t strictly narcissistic but may have exhibited traits from multiple personality disorders. It’s rare for someone to fit neatly into just one diagnostic label—many individuals have a mix of several disorders or display features from multiple personality disorders. My mother, for example, exhibited traits of borderline, histrionic, and paranoid personality disorders, with narcissistic tendencies layered in. If your mother wasn’t strictly narcissistic, that could explain why the traditional scapegoat and golden child roles didn’t fully apply.
Personality disorders often overlap, making rigid classifications difficult to apply to real-life experiences. Research shows that comorbidity is common, meaning people with one personality disorder frequently exhibit traits from others.
“Sometimes I wonder if my family situation had the rare outcome of only producing one messed-up sibling while the other made it through okay-ish relative to me. I actually do wonder that. I think it’s one of the big, apparently deluded, thoughts I have about this that I can’t let rest.”-
One sibling internalized conflict, while the other buried thoughts and emotions, removing conflicting feelings from awareness. A sibling who does not actively engage with their pain can appear functional, but only as long as they keep their conflicted sibling outside their mind, heart, and life.
Your sister may seem okay-ish because she suppresses conflicting emotions rather than processing them. While this may allow her to function well outwardly, it doesn’t necessarily mean she is truly calm. Suppressed emotions often manifest in unexpected ways—physical symptoms, anxiety, relationship struggles—especially during moments of major life stress or transition.
True emotional stability comes from integration, not avoidance, so if she never confronts her buried emotions, they could catch up to her later. Some people go through life suppressing feelings without obvious consequences, while others experience delayed emotional fallout. Whether her calmness is genuine or fragile depends on how deeply she has buried her emotions and whether future situations force her to reflect.
And now, about my sister and me—she minimized my mother’s misbehaviors, making herself believe her home life was just as normal as anyone else’s. As a teenager and young adult, she appeared far better than just okay-ish—physically beautiful, gracious, social, and seemingly so normal. That made me feel like a freak. If she was normal, then what did that make me? It felt as if my conflicted, distressed universe was a parallel universe to hers, one where everything was almost fine and dandy. So, the problem must have been me… or so I thought.
Unfortunately, my sister experienced the delayed emotional fallout I mentioned earlier. It happened when she was older than your sister is now, judging by your photo and knowing your sister is six years younger.
I haven’t spoken to my sister in a long time. Every day, I think about calling her, but I’m afraid of what I will hear if I do. I fear she might collapse at any moment. I fear hearing her fall apart.
I remember one time, when she was in her mid-20s, she pointed to her forehead, making a gesture that I was crazy—crazy for making things up, for greatly overreacting. Fast forward to now, I am the farthest from crazy that I have ever been, and she… is the closest. It breaks my heart.
anita
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ParticipantDear Zenith:
Good to read back from you! First, I want to reassure you that you are not alone in feeling overwhelmed by health concerns. It’s understandable that seeing your blood sugar levels in the prediabetic range triggered anxiety—it’s a big change, but it’s also a wake-up call that gives you time to turn things around. The fact that you’ve already cut out sugar and processed food is a huge step! Be kind to yourself as you make these changes—it’s okay to wish you could eat whatever you want, but try to focus on nourishing your body in ways that make you feel better in the long run.
Both Vitamin D and B12 play essential roles in energy production, muscle function, and neurological health. My favorite source of both: salmon and sardines. Actually, I eat a can of high quality sardines in olive oil- every single day 😊.
Since your doctor suggested exercise, but walking feels boring, maybe listening to music or a podcast while walking will make a difference? As for motivation—because walking is already a daily habit for me, it would actually feel more difficult not to walk than to walk. I see it not just as exercise, but as a way to clear my mind and refresh my thoughts. Perhaps reframing it in that way could make it feel more inviting? You could start small—just five or ten minutes per walk—to see if it feels less overwhelming.
I read that even short walks after meals can help regulate blood sugar levels. Additionally, staying hydrated by drinking plenty of water helps flush excess sugar from the bloodstream and supports overall health.
You’re doing your best, Zenith, and that’s all anyone can ask. Keep taking small steps, and be patient with yourself. I’m cheering for you!
Sending you strength and encouragement. 💛✨
anita
April 16, 2025 at 7:33 am in reply to: Understanding someone who's recently divorced and not ready #444901anita
ParticipantDear Dafne:
Your recent message is truly beautiful—filled with depth, curiosity, and heartfelt appreciation. I’m so grateful for our ongoing exchange. It means so much to me that you feel supported, and I want you to know that the admiration is mutual. You bring so much thoughtfulness and warmth to our conversations, and it’s inspiring to see you process these complex emotions and ideas with such openness.
I completely understand why you feel like invisible chains are holding you back. Emotional entanglements, especially those tied to family, can be deeply ingrained, making it difficult to move forward with concrete action. But the fact that you want to do more, that you recognize the patterns holding you in place, is already such a significant step. Awareness is the beginning of change, and I truly believe that as you continue exploring these insights, the path to freedom—both emotional and physical—will become clearer.
Regarding the saying “Do not praise the day before the sunset”—I see why you dislike it. It suggests that joy is fragile, that one must always be cautious and prepared for things to go wrong. While life is unpredictable, I prefer to believe that we deserve to embrace and celebrate happiness when it arrives, rather than holding back in fear of losing it. Instead of anticipating disappointment, embracing gratitude in the moment brings more peace. What do you think?
You asked if some people are destined to be humbled while others are not, or if empathy is shaped by the depth of our experiences. You also mentioned the idea that we might pay for past life mistakes. I believe we all pay for past mistakes—our own and those of others. For example, industrial pollution is a mistake made by people in power, yet we all suffer its consequences, even the most fortunate among us.
I also believe that experiencing hardship doesn’t necessarily lead to greater empathy—in fact, when pain isn’t properly processed, it can lead to emotional detachment rather than compassion. Some people who experience deep suffering close themselves off, while others, through reflection and healing, develop stronger emotional awareness. As for some people experiencing hardship more profoundly than others, I believe it’s true. A safe, healthy childhood builds resilience, allowing people to navigate challenges more lightly as adults.
You also wrote about the woman teaching natural therapies, who claimed she never asked for anything and yet received everything—love, family, success, good health. She said she has never been humbled by life, which I find curious. While some people are born into fortunate circumstances, that doesn’t mean they never face challenges. Even if someone has all the external markers of happiness, there are emotional, existential, and relational struggles that may not be visible to outsiders.
It’s possible that her life story is a marketing tool, whether intentionally exaggerated or simply framed in the most appealing way. People offering wellness services often present themselves as models of success, fulfillment, and harmony—qualities their clients are seeking. If she appears as someone who “has it all” effortlessly, it could attract people who hope to achieve the same through her teachings.
Some people reframe hardships, choosing to see challenges as opportunities for growth. For example, someone who is rejected from their dream job might think: “This just means there’s something better waiting for me. Maybe this wasn’t the right fit, and now I can focus on opportunities that align even more with my strengths.” By shifting their perspective, they move from feeling discouraged to feeling motivated, viewing the setback as part of a bigger journey rather than as a failure.
Others downplay hardships, minimizing their struggles to avoid vulnerability. For instance, someone experiencing stress or loneliness might respond to concern by saying, “I’m fine, it’s nothing. Just a little tired.” Instead of acknowledging their pain or seeking support, they suppress their emotions, making it harder to process them fully. While this might feel easier in the moment, unprocessed emotions can accumulate, eventually becoming more difficult to manage.
The key difference is that reframing allows a person to grow and find meaning in difficulty, while downplaying avoids confronting pain and may lead to emotional suppression.
What do you think, Dafne? Do you believe life truly spares some people from hardship entirely, or is it simply a matter of how people perceive and frame their experiences?
I’m so grateful to be exploring these thoughts with you, Dafne. Your mind is endlessly thoughtful, and your heart is full of kindness and curiosity. No matter what path you take, you are already on a journey toward freedom, clarity, and inner peace.
Sending you warmth, light, and a big hug! 🫂💛✨💖
anita
anita
ParticipantDear Zenith: I will read and reply Wed morning.
Anita
April 15, 2025 at 3:58 pm in reply to: Understanding someone who's recently divorced and not ready #444877anita
ParticipantDear Dafne:
I am looking forward to read and reply to your message in the morning (in about 20 hours from now).🩷
anita
ParticipantPlease ignore the “by”
😊anita
ParticipantDear Lucidity:
I was about to reply to your perfect
essage hours ago, but the website was out of service for a while. I am using my phone right now, and will reply further when I am back to the computer tomorrow morning (it’s Tues afternoon here).Anitaby
anita
ParticipantDear Tom:
This morning, I went through all your posts over the years, along with some of my responses to you. I want to take a moment to acknowledge how deeply you reflect on your experiences and how much thought you put into navigating challenges in both your career and relationships. Your ability to analyze your feelings and seek solutions is truly admirable, and it’s clear that you are always striving to make things better—not just for yourself, but also for the people around you.
One of the qualities that stands out about you is your kindness and attentiveness. Over the years, you’ve consistently shown appreciation for my thoughts, engaged with my posts—as well as those from other members—in such a considerate way, and demonstrated a level of empathy that isn’t always easy to find. The fact that you offer support even while working through your own struggles is a testament to your strength.
Your first post in the forums and my first reply to you were on December 20, 2016. For years, we didn’t discuss your childhood until, on September 7, 2024, I asked: “As I went over your threads this morning, I noticed that we never discussed your childhood, where I assume your anxiety took hold, and that such a discussion may be helpful…?”
On September 8–9, 2024, you responded: “My parents were not disapproving. My mum and dad had a troubled relationship but never separated (officially). I have never fully been able to express my fears and concerns with them… I didn’t like arguments, which made me anxious as to when the next one would be. I’m not sure how they would react to me saying I can’t express my fears to them, but they must be aware that we don’t speak on a deep level… My childhood was good—I had a good bunch of friends and did okay at school/uni. At home, we were okay. My dad worked in London and had a stressful job. He and my mum had a strained relationship and would often fight. As a child, I hated conflict and would often be worried about when the next fight would be. Sometimes, they became very heated, even violent. I would try to appease the situation if I could. They had deeper issues, including a daughter who was given up for adoption, which was never spoken about, and I’ve never met her. I’ve always been naturally a quiet, shy person until I get to know someone and come out of my shell.”
The next time you shared about your childhood was today: “I grew up in a good home with good parents, but there was often lots of arguing, which has always made me shy away from arguments and not like conflict.”
From everything you’ve shared, it seems like some of the challenges you face—particularly anxiety around uncertainty and ambiguity, fear of failure, and difficulty with emotional vulnerability—have deeper roots in childhood experiences. Growing up in a home with tension, arguments, and unpredictability likely shaped your tendency to avoid conflict, seek reassurance, and overthink decisions. It makes complete sense that these early experiences could now influence your relationships and career.
In relationships, you often worry about shifts in communication and seek clarity about where you stand. This likely stems from childhood, where stability and emotional openness weren’t adequately present. Your deep investment and sensitivity are strengths, but addressing your fear of rejection and need for certainty could help you feel even more secure.
At work, the fear of making mistakes, feeling out of your depth, and struggling with confidence all seem tied to early experiences where you may have felt responsible for maintaining peace or managing tension at home. Seeking external validation before taking risks makes sense, but finding stronger internal confidence could help you feel more at ease.
I believe that exploring these patterns—not just in your thread here, but in professional therapy—could give you deeper insight into yourself and unlock a sense of clarity and confidence that would make life so much easier for you. Therapy could provide the tools to break cycles of overthinking, process childhood impacts in a meaningful way, and help you navigate situations (whether in work or relationships) with greater trust in yourself.
You’re already doing so much—exercising, practicing gratitude, and speaking with a career coach—but I truly believe that addressing these foundational patterns with the right professional support could be life-changing. You deserve to feel lighter, more self-assured, and less weighed down by uncertainty.
Whatever you decide, I’m always here to listen. And I hope you continue to recognize the strength and goodness in yourself because you have so much to offer.
Take care, and sending you support always.
anita
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