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anitaParticipantWell, Alessa- I ate and I am F.U.L.L: chicken substituting for turkey, some other, fatty meat+ stuffing, cranberry sauce, beets (cake and dessert I didn’t have) and red wine.. and I am STUFFED.
Had a wonderful first meeting with a Canadian woman whose name is the same as mine, Anita, a psychotherapist (referred to as “a psychologist” up north; got her contact info.. a special experience meeting her.
Almost danced, but not quite.
I am GLAD the holidays- for me- are over. Hate the food aspect of it.. tasty though. I just like every day to be the same as the one before. I don’t like “special” days.. just regular days 😌
That’s my report 😢
I hope you are sleeping well at this time, Fri, 4:07 am your time (Thursday, 8:07 pm here)
❤️ Anita
anitaParticipantDear me aka ladies man 😊
Can’t-help-it-lol is so much like you, me..
So, when will you be talking on the phone for the first time..?
anitaParticipantIt made my day reading your response. Truly, a 😊 on my face. Have a great Thanksgiving yourself 🦃 🥧 🍂🍁
anitaParticipantI suppose we did, Peter 😊
Happy Thanksgiving. I give thanks for Peter being a positively one-of-a-kind individualized expression of The Source 😊
🙏 🤍 🙏 🤍 Anita
anitaParticipantHAPPY THANKSGIVING, Alessa!
Today, I am giving thanks to myself (just shared about it on my other thread).
And I am giving thanks for all the good people in my life, and you are included, Alessa 🙏 🙏 🙏 ❤️ 🤍❤️ 😊.
3.5 hours to the gathering, I’ll tell you about it when I’m back.
(I love Chinese food, by the way.. I wonder if anyone doesn’t..).
I hope that you have a restful night 😴🛏️🌙✨😌💤
Anita
anitaParticipantDear Tee:
“I hear you and understand that you might be feeling befuddled by these newest realizations: that you didn’t see something that you say was pretty obvious (your mother wearing a wig), or that you’ve only now realized that what you saw that early morning wasn’t a dream, but you really saw your mother’s bald head.
“But your mother told you it was just a bad dream, and so you didn’t question it further. You accepted her words… You needed to believe her, because this is what allowed you to stay attached to her, which is what we as children need to survive. We need to stay attached to our parents, and that includes believing that our parents are good people and that they have our best interests in mind.
“So, believing our parents, trusting their intentions, blaming ourselves rather than them if they mistreat us… that’s all how we keep the hope that our parents are good people and that we’re safe with them.
“In addition, abusive parents (specially narcissistic parents) regularly gaslight us and tell us various lies (that they’re the best parents, that they only want what’s best for us, that we’re bad, ungrateful and unworthy, but that they love us anyway, etc. etc.). Similar lies that your mother told you.. And they’re really good at ‘selling’ their narrative.
“So I think it’s kind of a 2-fold action: we want to believe them, because we need it for our survival, and they’re really good at portraying themselves as good and us as bad. They’re very convincing. And I think that as a result, we get easily brainwashed: we are receptive to it, and they are master gaslighters.
“And then we start gaslighting ourselves too, telling ourselves that our parent is a good parent, that things aren’t as bad, that they mean well.. and I think that as a part of that self-gaslighting, we might not even see or perceive certain things that would be obvious to an outside observer.
“It’s like we don’t want to see those things, and so we block them from our conscious awareness. I suppose that’s what happened to you, and why you never put 2 and 2 together regarding your mother wearing a wig. She told you it wasn’t real, and you believed her, because you wanted to believe her: not only about the wig, but about everything else. Because you needed to believe her, because that was key for your survival.
“At least that’s how I explain it to myself… what are your thoughts on this?”- I agree with every word I quoted above, every single word.
“The lies are unfortunately pervasive: almost everything she told you (or conditioned you to believe) about yourself and other people isn’t true. Also, a lot of what she told you about herself – how good and loving mother she is – is also not true.
“But the worst lies are those that we’ve accepted about ourselves: about our worth and how worthy of love we are. And it’s good to hear that your sense of self-worth is growing by the day… I’m really happy about that, Anita ❤️ It’s a great sign, and indicates that her lies are having less and less impact on you! 🤞”- Thank you, Tee (did I already say that you’re the best..).
Developing the thoughts I copied above: To maintain attachment to her (biologically, instinctually, a matter of survival), I submitted to her in every possible way, best I could: let her wash me, let her dress me, eat all the food she wanted me to eat (overeat), study in school best I could, hours and hours.. let her endlessly vent to me (about “the evil” of others), let her hit me while looking down as she did (because she said she likes it that I do), TRIED to clean the apt to her satisfaction.. Tried to teach her (as a teenager) what I read in psychology books, offered to be her warrior and get the “evil people” away from her..
* This is amazing.. I never listed the things I did, or try to do for her. She always listed in great detail what she did for me and how ungrateful I was. Here is my FIRST time acknowledging what I did for her.. what she wasn’t grateful for!!!
Oh, and the money I sent for her, or in her direction (much, much more than what I mentioned before).
Oh, and faking a marriage so that she can be brought to NYC, her dream come true (not proud of it.. yet the motivation was to make her happy).. And more and more.
Truly, I wasn’t aware of this before, how hard I tried in each and every way that was available to me- to please her, to satisfy her, to make her mind and life better. Never gave myself credit!
The title of a book, I think it was, “People of the Lie” comes to mind. She gaslighted me so much.. She LIED to me so thoroughly. About who she was (UNGRATEFUL to me… except that one time when she said the trip to NYC/Florida was.. something positive, don’t remember the words she used, but I remember how unique, a first it was that she gave me credit for anything 1-2-1.
(Her bragging about my non-existing academic success in school was .. bragging to others so to elevate her image).
So, today, I am giving myself credit for all my many, many.. many efforts to help her. FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE!
Coming to think about it- the timing is perfect: Thanksgiving!
Thank you, Anita, for your many, many efforts and all your hard work invested in helping this woman!!!
People of the Lie- it’s a lie that I was selfish and ungrateful to her.. a lie she told me.
All her guilt-tripping and shaming me were based on LIES.
Okay, better I try to relax now.
Thank you, Tee 🙏 🙏 🙏
❤️ 🤍 🫶 ❤️ Anita
anitaParticipantDear Mollie:
“my parents (as much as I love them”- I have no doubt that you love them very much, and always have (even when you felt or feel hurt and angry).
“(They) perpetuate the cycle of this is the profession for you, because it’s the best one and you are the best.”- Reads like they’re not aware that what’s best for you and what they think is best for you.. are not the same thing..?
“As much as they say they’ll always support me, I don’t know whether it’s always true.”- So, you feel that their support/ love is conditional on you becoming a lawyer?
It keeps amazing me how often parents love their children conditionally, more like the rule than the exception..
“My parents were worried about my brother, there were arguments at home, to the extent that I would develop tension in my tummy (what I now know to be anxiety).”= the birthplace of your anxiety, seems to me.
I wonder why they were worried about him.. and how you tried to be different from him- to not cause them any worry on account of you..?
💚 Anita
anitaParticipantThank you for the acknowledgment, dear James. Truly, you are very kind 🙏
Best Regards back to you!
anitaParticipantI am thrilled that you posted, Tee. I was worried that you were in pain and discouraged. I was going to inquire and saw that you submitted a post for me.
I didn’t yet read most of it, but I will.
Thank you so much for posting even though you are not very focused.
I hope that you are not in pain 🤞
🙏 ❤️ 🫶 ❤️ Anita
anitaParticipantDear Going Through Life:
I am relieved that there’s no damage to your spine, as in any disc getting dislocated or bulging.. since that can happen as a result of a fall. Follow the doctor’s instructions and 🤞 the ligament will heal in 2 weeks!
Yes, I like the taproom. There are plenty of taprooms in Bengaluru (the epicenter of taprooms, so I read), and Pune, Gurugram, and Mumbai are catching up 🍺🍻🍷.
My late morning is fine. Later I will attend a Thanksgiving get together.. in 5 hours from now.
🤍 Anita
anitaParticipantHi Peter:
You responded right above to Alessa’s post mistaken it for mine 🙂
I haven’t danced for a while. I miss dancing!
I am glad you reactivated this now 11-page thread. Amazingly, I submitted a post in this thread last Thanksgiving (Nov 28, 2024). I asked on that day how we can make the world a better place.
What would be your answer today, Peter?
🤍 Anita
anitaParticipantDear James:
A little study inspired by your thread:
Paramhansa Yogananda was a renowned Indian spiritual teacher (1893–1952), best known for bringing yoga and meditation to the West, and for his influential book “Autobiography of a Yogi”, a spiritual classic translated into more than 50 languages.
On changing the world, he said “Change yourself and you have done your part in changing the world.”
On success and failure: “The season of failure is the best time for sowing the seeds of success.”
On freedom: “Freedom means the power to act by soul guidance, not by the compulsions of desires and habits. Obeying the soul brings freedom; obeying the ego brings bondage.”
* Soul= the true rue essence of who we are. it’s a fragment of God’s infinite consciousness, it’s individualized but never separate.
It is our eternal identity, distinct from the ego, thoughts, and physical body. Unlike the body (which dies) or the mind (which changes), the soul is timeless and indestructible.
It is inherently blissful, peaceful, and free.
About God: “He is not a man or a woman. He is that eternal consciousness which is present in everything.”
“God is the ocean of Spirit. We are little waves of that ocean.”.
🌊🌍🐬🐳🐟 Anita
anitaParticipantHi Mollie:
Good to read from you 😊 and thank you for the warmth and good thoughts you sent my way!
You are welcome to vent here anytime.
I am glad that you had reassurance from him that he would never act on his thoughts!
“There are some days like today, where I feel overwhelmed by the tiredness and intensity of the course… I must admit, I feel a bit sorry for myself. It’s like I’ve gone from one type of difficult to another.”-
Having just read through our past communication, no wonder you’ve gone from one type of difficult to another: overthinking/ obsessive thinking makes life difficult. Your life circumstances may change over time (jobs, locations, relationships) but as long as you’re carrying the same overthinking into every change, the difficulty remains.
I suffered from OCD for many years. I travelled across the world, experienced a few days break from overthinking, maybe as long as 3 months break at the beginning of my travels (the ecstasy of being in London and then in NYC for the first time in my life placed my overthinking on hold), but.. it returned and so, my life was difficult no matter where I was or what I did.
Anxiety is very much part of overthinking/ OCD and it’s difficult to live with that troublesome internal disquiet.
Do you remember when and in what circumstance your anxiety/ obsessive thinking started (childhood, I am guessing)?
🤍 Anita
anitaParticipantDear Tee:
I thought that out of nowhere, I had a dream where I saw my mother bald. I didn’t know that it wasn’t a dream, that it was actually a memory of seeing her bald.
I thought it was only a dream, a weird dream.. because she told me it was a bad dream, and nothing more.
I believed her because there was nothing I needed more than to believe her.
So, I closed my eyes and believed it was only a dream. I did, for 20 years- before someone told me she was bald.
And then, it took 30 more years to realize (because you brought it up TODAY, Tee), that it was not a dream at all.
I SAW her bald, and then she said: You didn’t. It was only a dream!
And my eyes closed.. half a century+ by now.. until today. I thought it was only a dream.. I didn’t connect the OBVIOUS.
She (the “mother”) made a fool out of me in so many.. many.. many ways, and it was so very easy for her to do so.. Telling me it was a dream. And I believed her: 1967-2025 of believing it was a dream… How many years is that.. 58 years of believing I dreamed she was bald.. When she really was bald the whole time.
58 years of believing I dreamed what I actually saw in-real-life.
So.. What else happened that she told me didn’t happen?
I feel like such a fool…
anitaParticipantDear Alessa:
I am glad that your inner child is starting to trust your adult self 😊
I will share with you how I explore taking care of my inner child. I’m actually looking forward to sharing with you about Thanksgiving tomorrow, the get together for people who don’t have family locally, or people who prefer to not be with.. Family.
You asked if I was forced fed too.. Yes, I was. She forced fed me when I was a baby (blocking my nose, so when I opened my mouth for air, she shoved food in).
No, she didn’t deal with her eating disorder.. There was no awareness of it back then, no name for it, she just made herself throw up on a regular basis. I didn’t understand it back then, neither did she, I imagine.
You wrote: “I think the most shameful part for me, is that when I was younger and didn’t understand. I liked the attention. If that makes sense?”- I don’t quite understand this at this time. I would like to understand (not very focused right now). Please tell me what you mean..?
Thank you for your support, Alessa.. I wonder what happened to the dog (a beagle) I tried to defend. .. Coming to think about it, I think that my interference led the neighbors finding a different home for the beagle. I think that my interference/ standing up for the poor beagle- made a positive difference for him!
Sometimes, that’s all it takes, standing up for the powerless!
“Yes, so many lies”, you wrote.. I will be exploring this point further. Thank you, Alessa!
❤️ 🤍 Anita
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