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Dear Jana:
Thank you, and you are making a very good point- the middle way is finding a balance where I acknowledge and validate my emotions (giving them space) without letting them take over my life (giving them too much space). Mindfulness helps maintain this balance.
I didn’t think of the idea of giving emotions too much space before you brought it up, Jana, not in these words, so I want to elaborate: an example of giving FEAR too much space: a person who is afraid of public speaking avoids all social events and turns down job opportunities or promotions because of their fear. This avoidance limits their personal and professional growth, isolates them socially, and reinforces their fear, making it even harder to face in the future.
An example of giving SADNESS too much space: a person who experiences a breakup withdraw from friends and family, stops engaging in activities they once enjoyed, spends most of their time ruminating on their sadness, and neglects self-care and responsibilities.
An example of giving ANGER too much space: a person lashing out at others, dwelling on negative thoughts, and making impulsive decisions based solely on your anger.
Here is a poem on giving emotions space, not too little, not too much:
In the gardens of our hearts,
Emotions bloom and wither, night and day
Each one cherished, each one told.
Each one deserves a gentle touch.Fear and joy, they come and go,
Like petals in a fleeting show.
Acknowledge them, but don’t hold tight,
Let them dance in morning light.With mindfulness, we tend the soil,
Where love and peace begin to coil.
No overwhelm, nor neglect,
Just balance that we can reflect.In this space where calm resides,
Balance in our hearts abides.
A perfect tune of ebb and flow,
In this garden, we will grow.Coming to think of it, Jana, looking at the title you chose for this thread, “Will I ever be free of this fear of people?”- giving this fear too much space would mean constantly avoiding social situations, avoiding public places, isolating oneself from others entirely => leading to fear becoming more entrenched and harder to overcome.
Giving this fear too little space would mean ignoring or suppressing the fear by forcing oneself into social situations without addressing the underlying anxiety, pretending the fear doesn’t exist and therefore, not seeking any help or support=> leading to increased anxiety and stress, the fear remaining unresolved, and the person feeling overwhelmed and unable to cope.
Giving this fear just the right amount of space would mean acknowledging the fear, understanding its origins and gradually exposing oneself to social situations in a controlled and supportive manner, such as attending smaller gatherings before larger ones, and seeking therapy or counseling => leading the person to gradually experience reduced anxiety, improve social interactions and to living a more balanced and fulfilling social life.
I hope it’s okay with you, Jana, that I elaborated on the topic the way I did above: is it okay with you, perhaps helpful?
anita
anitaParticipantThank you, Zenith,take care yourself!
Anita
anitaParticipantDear Zenith: Good to read that you had a great time!!! I left the office, went to the pellet stove, took of my socks, warmed them up, ate cashew nuts and feel warmed up some. Raining acts and dogs outside, miserable weather. Three days ago, with wet socks, I walked across the kitchen, slipped and fell, bruised my face a bit and hurt my left shoulder.. wet, slippery weather really is dangerous.
anita
anitaParticipantDear Zenith:
I am tired and very cold. I am sitting in a heated office, been here for hours and yet my feet and hands feel frozen almost. Did you celebrate the New Year? (I am never out that late on any night).
anita
anitaParticipantDear Beni: I am sorry that you lost your post. What I do every time before I click “submit” is to copy my post, so that if it fails to submit, I can re-submit my copy. Looking forward to reading from you later!
anita
anitaParticipantDear Stacy:
Before thoroughly reading your update, I read through our past communication. Interestingly exactly 1 year ago, on Jan 2, 2024, you submitted a post addressed to me (here on this thread). You quoted me and responded to my quoted words:
” ‘When people in your family who have mistreated you accuse you of being too sensitive and overblowing situations, that’s further mistreatment on their part, mistreatment on top of mistreatment..’ — I’m not trying to be difficult here.. (but) I actually DO overblow situations and react very sensitively to things… If I’m the problem, I don’t feel I have the right to say I’m being mistreated or ‘deserve’ a better partner… It’s like I feel that I don’t have the right to say I was mistreated because I sabotaged and overblew the situation… Again, I’m trying SO hard for this to click with me because I feel this is THE biggest mental block that is keeping me from moving forward”-
A year later, I say that it’s clear. in your words above, that you have internalized the criticism from your family, leading you to doubt the validity of your feelings and reactions. Because you view (or viewed back then) yourself as overblowing situations, you felt undeserving of better treatment or a better partner. Your statement that this is “THE biggest mental block” keeping you from moving forward highlights how this self-doubt and internalized criticism have been major obstacles in your emotional growth and healing. You recognized, a year ago, the need to address this issue.
Despite acknowledging your sensitivity, you felt a strong need for validation that your experiences and feelings were legitimate. This conflict between self-blame and the desire for acknowledgment of mistreatment has caused you significant distress.
In essence, you were caught in a cycle of self-blame and self-doubt, making it difficult for you to acknowledge the mistreatment you were subjected to, and move forward. You recognized this as a major mental block but was struggling to reconcile your sensitivity with your right to be treated well and to heal.
As I was reading through the pages, I cam across what you wrote here, addressed to me: “I can see how much I’m beating myself up about this all… it’s what I do in every area of my life. Hence why I don’t trust myself. I see that it’s not serving me; it’s not productive. I can’t hate myself into loving myself“-
– you were becoming aware of your pattern of self-criticism and its negative impact on your mental health. You understood that this behavior is unproductive and that self-love cannot be achieved through self-hate. This awareness is an important step towards changing your mindset and fostering a more compassionate relationship with yourself.Reading through, I noticed the Enmeshment topic. You acknowledged your struggle with family enmeshment.
Living with your mother made it difficult to separate your own issues from hers, part of your ongoing struggle to maintain healthy boundaries within a close-knit but troubled family.Elsewhere you wrote: “I just want to feel like a woman, a capable woman“, and about your mother, you wrote: “I also see that she is physically and financially incapable of a lot of things she wants to do and it suffocates me… It makes me feel hopeless for her and for me“- You needed her to become capable so that you (the part of you that’s enmeshed with her of her) can become capable..?
“My therapist said years ago that I do indeed struggle with family enmeshment and I try to work through this but living here I think hinders me from separating at all… I don’t feel like I get to have my own adult life or sense of identity outside of her… I’ve never moved out of the house or had my own separate life outside of her…I don’t want to abandon her… I know I have to live my own life, but the guilt I’d feel from that would be horrific“- powerful words, powerful emotions, Stacy!
And now to your todays update: thank you for sharing your update and I’m truly sorry to hear about the ongoing challenges you’ve been facing. I admire your strength and resilience through it all.
Regarding your health, it’s incredibly frustrating not to have clear answers. I hope you find some peace and relief soon. It’s important to continue seeking medical advice whenever you feel it’s necessary.
As for the breakup, it’s understandable that you’re still grappling with the pain and confusion. Unresolved feelings and the lack of closure can make moving on incredibly difficult. It’s clear that this relationship was significant to you, and your feelings are valid.
It might be helpful to consider unfollowing him on social media as a step towards healing. Keeping that connection seems to be hindering your ability to fully process and move forward. It’s okay to prioritize your mental well-being, even if it feels difficult.
If you feel that expressing your emotions directly to him would bring you some closure, then it might be worth writing a letter or message. However, please do so with the understanding that you might not get the response you hope for. Sometimes, healing comes from acknowledging your feelings and releasing them, rather than seeking validation from others.
I’ve been thinking about everything you’ve shared, and I want you to know how important it is to find validity in your own feelings and to trust them. Your emotions are real and meaningful, and they deserve to be acknowledged and respected.
While I understand your worry about overreacting as an adult, it’s crucial to recognize that the circumstances of your childhood were incredibly challenging. In those situations, you probably underreacted, repressing and suppressing your valid feelings as a coping mechanism. It’s not uncommon to numb oneself to survive difficult experiences.
Now, as you navigate your life, it’s essential to re-associate with those feelings you had (and still have) as a child. Those emotions are a vital part of your story, and reconnecting with them can be a powerful step towards healing and self-acceptance.
Your feelings are valid, and your journey towards understanding and embracing them is just as important as any other aspect of your growth. You deserve to trust yourself and your emotions fully.
My (ongoing) healing process, or journey, wouldn’t have been possible if I didn’t go back to my childhood, figuratively, so to pick up the emotions I left there unattended. No wonder I lived a miserable, dysfunctional adult life, being that this very vital part of me (those intense, impactful emotions of childhood) was abandoned and left behind.
Again, good to read from you again, Stacy. Wishing you a new year of healing!
anita
anitaParticipantDear Stacy: I am thrilled to read from you again. I will get back to you in a couple of hours or so.
anita
anitaParticipantDear Jana:
Thank you for sharing the insightful passage. Of the six principles for a happy relationship from the video you mentioned, # 3 is something that never crossed my mind as “a principle for a happy relationship”: “Treat your partner with mental kindness (kind thoughts lead to kind words and actions)”-
– true: kind thoughts lead to kind expressions, verbal and non-verbal. I realized lately that negative thoughts get expressed on my face automatically, without my choosing- before I am aware of these expressions. And when I become aware of them, I can’t go back in time and reverse these expressions. I can pause before I speak, but there is no pause between the negative thoughts (and feelings that are attached to them) and their instant- however subtle- expressions on my face.
Angry, suspicious, accusatory non-verbal communication (facial expressions, other physical gestures and reactions, tone of voice) are generally harmful or unpleasant to the people on the receiving end. The only way to prevent these non-verbal, potentially harmful, automatic physical expressions is to purposefully choose kind thoughts to replace or balance the negative thoughts.
“It is not clear if “the life to come” means next life or just future in this life”- it could mean both (not one or the other): as the next life in a karmic sense or the future within this life.
Wishing you peace and happiness-
anita
anitaParticipantDear Gage:
First off, I want to acknowledge the tremendous effort and care you’ve put into supporting your girlfriend through her struggles. It’s clear you have a deep sense of commitment and compassion.
However, it’s essential that you prioritize your own mental health. Constantly walking on eggshells and feeling isolated from your friends has been taking a significant toll on your well-being.
It’s not sustainable to sacrifice your own health indefinitely.
You asked: “At what point do I take my own mental health into account?”- my answer: immediately.
You ended your original post with: “I’m torn because I refuse to give up friends for an easier relationship, but I also don’t want to give up on her because I think she’s capable of improving. Just not before my mental health plummets completely.”- my response: I understand how torn you must feel. It’s commendable that you want to support her and see her improve, but it’s equally important to prioritize your own mental health. You shouldn’t have to sacrifice your friendships or well-being for the sake of the relationship. It’s crucial to find a balance where both of your needs are met.
It will be best (if you haven’t so far) that you express to her your concerns and feelings honestly and compassionately. Let her know how her actions are affecting your mental health and the relationship and see how she responds.
It’s a good thing that you both agreed to go to therapy (together, as a couple?). It can be helpful to discuss these recurring issues with a couple therapist to explore deeper solutions and strategies for managing her paranoia and building trust. It can be beneficial to seek support from a therapist or counselor individually. This can provide you with the space to explore your feelings, gain clarity, and develop strategies for self-care.
Ultimately, it’s about finding a balance where both of you can support each other’s growth without compromising your own health and happiness. It’s okay to prioritize your well-being and seek a relationship that allows both partners to flourish.
anita
anitaParticipantKinga, how are you in this very beginning of 2025, soon enough to be right, I hope.
anita
anitaParticipantDear Jana:
You are welcome and thank you! I am feeling fine these days, more inner peace than ever, I think. More giving my emotion space to breathe, an opportunity to just be, instead of criticizing and trying to cancel them (aka suppressing them).
Anita
anitaParticipantDear Jana:
It is inspiring to read about your ever-expanding self-awareneas, as well as your understanding of other people.
I wish you a year of further and farther-reaching expressions of the suppressed Jana of previous years.
I wish myself the same
Anita
January 1, 2025 at 11:02 am in reply to: Understanding someone who's recently divorced and not ready #441185anitaParticipantPost #3- Dear Dafne:
Your mother spent years trying to change or accommodate (enable) your father, denying the reality of the situation, and ignoring your opinions and feelings. She has been pushing you to maintain contact with your neglectful and abusive father and uses emotional manipulation, such as threatening to give away the dog or worse, if you leave her. She often criticizes you, compares you unfavorably to others, and brings up past mistakes, leading to feelings of sadness and the need for recovery time. When you tried to address your disappointments or her drinking, she deflects by saying that you have your father’s character or aren’t strong enough.
She alternates between protecting the father and speaking badly about him, creating confusion and emotional turmoil for you.
Your mother rescued a dog during COVID-19, demonstrating her capacity for compassion and love. However, she also uses the dog to manipulate you by threatening to give it away if you leave.
She provided free babysitting and housekeeping services to the man you were supposed to marry. This behavior might indicate a desire to ingratiate herself into his household, potentially seeking a larger, more stable home for herself.
You understandably feel that your mother is unsupportive and dismissive of your feelings and opinions, leading to frequent arguments and feelings of pointlessness in conversations. You also feel guilty about leaving her and are manipulated by your mother through guilt trips and threats regarding the dog.
The constant criticism and emotional manipulation results in you feeling overwhelmed, leading to significant emotional breakdowns. You had to sacrifice your plans and well-being due to your mother’s moodiness and lack of support, leading to resentment and stress.
Overall, your mother’s behavior is characterized by emotional manipulation, control, and inconsistent support. While she shows compassion, such as rescuing the dog, she simultaneously uses that compassion as a tool for manipulation. Her actions, such as providing free babysitting and housekeeping, may stem from self-interest, seeking to secure a better living situation for herself.
Your mother’s inability to deal with her own issues healthily resulted in a deeply dysfunctional relationship with you, one where you feel trapped and constantly criticized.
Your struggles with self-worth, emotional security, and relationship difficulties are a direct result of your mother’s behavior, these are natural responses to growing up in the toxic environment created by your mother.
Your heightened sensitivity was not a flaw but a normal and understandable reaction to the challenges you faced. It’s important to acknowledge that your emotional responses were shaped by your environment and the behaviors you were subjected to.
Seeking therapy and external support can help you address these challenges, build healthier coping mechanisms, and develop a stronger sense of self-worth and emotional security. Your awareness and willingness to understand your past are crucial steps toward healing and personal growth.
Any little girl growing up with the exact same mother as yours, having a father with the exact same behaviors as yours, and growing up in the exact circumstances, including not having any significant support from any other adult while growing up.. any such girl, would have grown up to suffer from the same challenges you’ve been suffering from- including significant self-doubt and lack of self-confidence.
* A note about myself and how I relate to you: much of what you shared about your mother is very similar to my experience with my own mother: selective compassion (for some animals), self-interest (no consideration at all for my emotional well-being), controlling, very critical of me, manipulative (guilt-tripping, histrionics), etc.
Similar to your mother, my mother blamed me for the natural reactions to her abuse, and for being weak, comparing me unfavorably to other (allegedly strong) daughters. It was similar, figuratively, to one person (my mother) stabbing another person (me) with a knife, and then complaining that I was bleeding, accusing me of.. overreacting to her stabbing (by bleeding).
Back to you, Dafne: I sure hope that you find a way to separate from your mother, as I have done in regard to my mother, so that you are no longer a subject to her control and abuse. But I do understand that it can be very difficult for you to move out and live away from her because of guilt and self-doubt (which I heavily suffered from myself), and that professional help may be necessary for you at this time, so that you can live separately from her.
It reads like you may have been looking for a romantic relationship as a way to escape your mother’s control and abuse, as in looking for a man to remove you from your mother’s abuse (this was true to me)..?
I hope that the above is helpful and remember- I understand how difficult all this is- so, give yourself the space and time to figure things out at your own pace, preferably with the help of quality professional help.
anita
January 1, 2025 at 10:11 am in reply to: Understanding someone who's recently divorced and not ready #441184anitaParticipantPost # 2: What you shared in this thread about your mother and your relationship with her (in parentheses are my clarifications):
“My mom was the only one trying to accommodate (my father), change him, give him too many chances. She denied the reality and sometimes didn’t want to hear my opinion and feelings…She still pushes me to send him the birthday wishes, Easter, Christmas etc. I feel it’s not right…. I’m still taking care of my elderly (including my mother) and feel guilty leaving them. Talking to my mother seems pointless at this stage. It always ends up in some kind of argument and pointing all my past mistakes…My mom has a dog and told me that if I will leave her, she will give him away to strangers or even worst. She knows I love that dog, and it feels like a manipulation with my feelings… She also drinks and her mood is horrible after that. She got bitter with age and that’s her way of dealing with problems and the regrets. Every time she talks about the past, my mistakes with other man, shouts, compares me to my father etc. If I try to protect myself and tell her that she should not drink and that I felt disappointed by both of them and abandoned, she says that I have my father’s character …She always gives examples of daughters whose parents were alcoholics and abusers and those women were strong, not like me, and found husbands & got married… Every time her hurtful remarks make me sad and I need a few days to recover from that… It is mostly those little statements that my family (including my mother) always used on me: don’t talk, stay quiet, what people will think, hide in your room or he (my uncle or my dad) will get more angry when he sees you smiling (I could not smile in the presence of my uncle), don’t touch this, your opinion doesn’t matter etc… My mom’s dog is a COVID baby as she got him around that time. She rescued him and had to pay a lot of money as the place did not want to keep him due to his appearance… Nobody wanted him but my mother showed her loving heart and took him… To be fair to my mother, yes, she did meet (my ex-fiancé) and his kids in person… So, my mother stayed for 2 weeks in (my ex-fiancé’s) house to cook, clean as the kids were small and he could not do much (he did not want to pay for babysitter or any help). My mother did it for free… My mother refused after hearing his conditions and refusal of getting married civilly. She thinks that religious marriage is not enough nowadays and giving up my rights as a wife is an insult to her and to me…The problem is that if (my mother) gets angry or realises that I want to move out, she starts blackmailing me… She starts guilty trips or memory flashbacks. I think she is able to give him away when the need arises to make her point, and she might harm herself too. I just don’t trust her judgment when she drinks… about my mother standing up for me and herself, no.… At home, it got worse. I finally gathered strength to book a trip away from it all but then I had to cancel it. My mother promised to stay with the dog. It all looked well but then her moodiness came back and said no. She said that she has other more important commitments. It is not the first time that I sacrificed my plans for her but this time she was really mean. She provokes fights all the time. One moment she protects my father, the other moment she talks bad things about him. Then keeps reminding me about all my mistakes with men and life. Last night I had a really bad breakdown. I couldn’t breathe; I couldn’t talk. I had pain in my whole body. I started to cry and just ran out of my home. I felt like finishing it all. I couldn’t stand this pressure anymore. She run after me to stop me and pretended to faint. I returned and suddenly she was ok. But I wasn’t. She went to sleep but I couldn’t. Something happened that night and I feel a wreck. I don’t feel like me anymore both physically and emotionally.”
January 1, 2025 at 9:35 am in reply to: Understanding someone who's recently divorced and not ready #441182anitaParticipantDear Dafne:
On March 19, 2024, you shared and asked: “I was quite sensitive and shy as a small girl so there was no way for me to express myself freely. I had to be quite and hide in my room to avoid the conflict & the constant fights. Maybe my personality as a child contributed to the fact that I can’t cope with life or romantic relationships in my adult life?”-
– on this Jan 1, 2025, morning, I want to answer your question best I can. Paraphrased, your question is (in my mind) the following:
Was I, Dafne, inherently flawed and overly sensitive, or was my heightened sensitivity a natural and normal response to my childhood circumstances, especially given my relationship with my mother?”
(This paraphrased question is the same question I asked myself for decades, a question that tortured me for the longest time)!
In the next post, I will quote most of what you shared in regard to your mother (I read it all). I will not be referring to your father’s mistreatment of you on this day and focus on your mother because you are still living with her and the relationship with her is still troubled.
In a third post, I will offer you my best answer.
anita
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