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Hi JuliaM,
I don’t think you sound off-balance at all. This is a painful experience.
Do you have any gut instincts as to why she initially pulled away from you? What was happening in both of your lives when you first noticed that she was distancing herself?
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BrandyParticipantHi Karina,
It’s interesting that your “wronged” friend invited you to the jewelry party. Maybe she’s starting to come around, to understand that she overreacted. What’s annoying is how badly she’s made you feel, even after your tearful apology. You made a mistake, felt terrible about it, and over-apologized for it. You tried to do the right thing but she’s been unforgiving. So I agree that she’s childish, weak, and easily manipulated… and also cruel.
So about tomorrow, if I were you I’d probably put all of the above aside and give her the benefit of the doubt. She’s going through a difficult time in her personal life and who really knows how much of the anger she’s directed at you is really about her sad marriage situation instead. You don’t deserve the cruel treatment you’re getting but her marriage is falling apart and she probably isn’t fully conscious of her behavior. So, no, I would not be fake-nice; I’d be real-nice instead. She’s probably just as nervous to see you as you are to see her so do your best to put her at ease. Give her a hug. Tell her it’s good to see her. Look her straight in the eye and smile.
And keep it short and move on.
Then when it’s time to leave the party you’ll walk away feeling good about yourself.
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PS – No, I don’t see your not including her in your activities as petty because she’s the one who has distanced herself from you for the past 6 weeks. It is she who has been boxing you out with the exception of the recent evite to the jewelry party, right? When someone is giving me vibes that she doesn’t want to see me, I’m going to respect her wishes.
BrandyParticipantHi Karina,
Part of me thinks it’s important that this woman knows exactly why you’re upset with her but I’m not sure meeting for coffee is the way to go. You already know you can’t trust how accurately she’ll describe your conversation to the others, so why set yourself up? Also, there’s a chance you’ll say something you regret which may blow this thing up even bigger. Maybe I’d write her a letter telling her how I feel and while I’m writing it I’d be fully aware that it’ll be shared with others in the group. I would not come across as angry because that could fuel more anger in these women, and I wouldn’t try to make her or anyone else feel bad. I’d keep it very short and I’d chose my words wisely.
There’s a good chance, however, that after writing the letter I wouldn’t send it for several days, maybe a couple weeks, maybe even not at all because there’s another part of me that believes that sometimes these things get worse when we try to fix them. Sometimes they work themselves out on their own if we are patient and can handle the uncertainty of the future. I think that deep down this woman, your friend of five years whom you introduced and welcomed into your group, knows that you are hurt that she didn’t support you when you really needed her to. I mean, how could she not know this?
Albert Einstein once said “You cannot solve a problem from the same consciousness that created it” or something like that anyway which to me means it may be better to wait things out, become more mindful before deciding on the right action to take, if any needs to be taken at all.
Sorry, I wish I had a better answer for you. Take a deep breath and try to calm yourself as best you can. Keep posting here and I’ll answer and maybe some others will too. Hang in there. π
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BrandyParticipantHi Karina,
You are welcome and I’m glad the stay-at-home dad was able to confirm some things for you. Thanks for the kind words and yes for me it was one of those experiences that I wouldn’t un-do because it taught me how important it is to not get dragged down by negative thoughts, to observe them and let them go. It takes a lot of work at first but then gets easier.
I too had those imaginary conversations telling those women off, and although putting them in their place would have given me immeasurable satisfaction, it only would have made things worse. I think assertiveness is important but maybe not so much in this context. If certain women are not accepting your heartfelt apology and are now distancing themselves from you, that’s their choice (however warped it may be) and you need to accept it. Confronting them only makes you look desperate which you are not. Get up, dust yourself off, and get on with your life. Like you say, these are not your people.
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BrandyParticipantHi Karina,
I completely understand how you feel. Yes, that’s what I was doing too, trying to become friends with the parents of my kids’ friends because I felt that if I wasn’t then my kids would be excluded from activities, birthday parties, play dates, etc. Also because these women were a big part of my social life and I liked being a part of their group. Early on, though, my instincts told me to be wary of some of them; I ignored this in order to keep the friendships going (moms need friendships too!) and because my kids loved their kids. It’s a no-win situation.
And then, of course, once one of them turns on you for a minor human mistake the games start, the gossiping and the pretending. They can look you straight in the eye and pretend with you, try to manipulate you. You know what I mean. And if you react to it they’ll continue behaving this way. So the key is to walk away, let it all go, and to not let it bother you.
But how do you do that? The first book I read on mindfulness was A New Earth by Eckhart Tolle. My problem was that I was ruminating on the unfairness of my situation, felt paralyzed in that I couldn’t properly defend myself and that my kids would suffer as a result. Honestly, I also felt rejected and sad. So this book helped me to get my mind off it, get out of my head. The other thing I would recommend is to get back to meditating, 20 minutes twice a day, and give it at least 3 months before you judge if it’s helping or not. After practicing mindfulness/meditation for a short time I learned that I’m not the one with the problem, they are. I also learned that my kids are fine, that the situation was much worse for me than it was for them.
But I’ll never forget what happened, especially when I see it happening to other unsuspecting moms.
Maybe others here can recommend better ways to get started with mindfulness.
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BrandyParticipantHi Karina,
The primary reason why I set out to explore mindfulness and meditation years ago was because of the distress brought on by my participation in these parent circles. When my oldest child had reached kindergarten age I was excited to register him in school envisioning nothing but harmony, close friendships with other moms, and volunteering at the school. Boy was I wrong! Here’s how it works in my area: There’s a group of “powerful” parents who basically run the community. The PTA president and her husband run in the same crowd as the board members of little league baseball, president of the athletic booster club, leaders of the boy scouts/girl scouts, president of the district’s fundraising organization, classroom moms, bible study leaders, etc. Many of these people attain their positions by making sizable donations to the organizations they want to lead. And they are all “friends”. They are tailgating together to local college football games, having exclusive parties, seated together at the fundraising events, controlling every aspect of your child’s school events, etc. So anyone in this group is pretty much protected; their kids are assigned to the baseball teams they want to be on, to the classes with the best teachers, and they all have each others’ backs regardless of their bad behavior, and the rest of the parents in the community are their pawns. I know, it sounds crazy and I’d never believe it had I not lived it myself!
So one day you decide that you’re going to take back your power, that you’re not going to play the game anymore. And the very second you do that you are free!
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BrandyParticipantHi Michelle,
You are welcome.
Hang in there.
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BrandyParticipantI wanted to add that since the purpose of this thread is to find ways to get past your fear, I think your attorney can help you. If you are making the impulsive thing you did into something bigger than it actually is, your attorney should be able to put your mind at ease. If you really do have something to fear should news of what you did get out, your attorney should be able to advise you on how best to protect yourself and proceed forward. Since you are unable to share transparently here on this thread but you can behind closed doors with your attorney, he’s in a much better position to give you the right advice to help you get past your fear.
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BrandyParticipantHi Michelle,
It reads to me that the impulsive thing you did was merely an attempt to fight back after having to endure harassment and false accusations at the hands of this person. Sometimes when we take this kind of action the person who’s harassing us will stop, but other times it only fuels the fire, makes the person angrier and eager for revenge, especially when he/she may not be mentally well as you indicated may be the case.
My advice is to discuss this with your attorney. In order to competently represent you, your attorney needs to know everything relevant to the case, and the attorney-client privilege ensures that what you disclose to him remains between the two of you only.Β The truth will set you free!
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BrandyParticipantHi Michelle,
Is your attorney aware of this impulsive thing you did? Also, were you questioned by law enforcement before or after this thing you did?
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BrandyParticipantHi Karina,
You are welcome. I understand how hard this is. My kids are older now but I remember so well the awful pressure associated with fitting in with certain “powerful” moms at my kids’ elementary school, wanting so badly to be included, trying so hard to be considered “worthy” of their friendship. But one day you realize it’s all nuts! Women can be so tough. They get together for lunch or a night out and everything seems great, but then the next day one will begin criticizing another behind her back for such an innocent transgression. Just one comment interpreted the wrong way by just one woman can mean the beginning of the end of the poor woman who made the comment. And it’s all done in such a sneaky, snaky, covert way, labeling another as “loser” without being seen as a bully. Face it, some women, no matter what they do, are going to become targets, and other women who do the exact same things will be forgiven and celebrated. It’s totally bizarre. But I’ve been there, seen the body language, excluding, ignoring, eye-rolling, you name it, and I survived! π
Hang in there, always take the high road, and know that it gets so much better when your kids hit high school.
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BrandyParticipantHi Karina,
Yeah, I agree with both of you, this lady is probably redirecting her anger at you.
So how to move on….this is what I’d do: Look at this as a huge learning experience that will save you countless headaches in the future. No more talking about any person behind his/her back period. And don’t talk about this situation anymore. When you’re with friends and someone brings it up, say you don’t want to talk about it and then change the subject. Even when you’re having a weak moment and you feel the need to express your side of the story to a friend, go for a walk to clear your head, or talk to your husband instead. If you keep talking about it with others you’ll be keeping it alive. Just let it die.
When nothing’s happening, when there’s nothing to talk about, people move on to the next drama-filled scenario, and once a situation is in the past they often look back and regret the ways they behaved in it. These women are being too hard on you and I think they’ll eventually regret how they’re treating you. In the mean time, forgive yourself and hold your head up high! You’ve done nothing that you don’t deserve to be forgiven for! Research ways to sit with uncomfortable and unresolved feelings, like mindfulness and meditation. This is a great opportunity to improve yourself, to become emotionally stronger. Also, plan activities that you like to do that don’t involve the women in this circle. Take up a new hobby and look to make new friends. And be polite and friendly, even to the women in this circle.
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BrandyParticipantHi Karina,
The two women who told you about the separation had no right to share that sensitive information with you. They put you in a situation you shouldn’t have been in. So that was their first mistake, and their second was not being clear with you about how “top secret” the info was.
Your mistake was assuming it was okay to tell others, but in your defense you thought it was already public information. You mentioned that while telling the others, your conversation wasn’t mean-spirited but more “concerned”. A big lesson to learn here is that when you are genuinely concerned about a friend, go directly to that friend without involving anyone else.
Friends make mistakes and forgive each other. That’s what they do. When they don’t, the friendship ends. You have recognized your mistake and apologized to her. What more can you do? Nothing, so stop beating yourself up. She’s making too much of this.
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BrandyParticipantYou are welcome, Jane, and that reads like a very solid plan to me! π
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BrandyParticipantHi Jane,
When I look at my friend’s situation it seems to me that her son is rewarding his dad for giving him money and punishing his mom for not giving him money. His dad’s reward is a relationship with his son and his mom’s punishment is no relationship. That’s how it appears to me but it could be far more complex than that.
Maybe your situation is a little something like that too: you refused his request for money last week so he’s going to punish you by not talking to you. Your goal is to re-open a dialogue with him without giving him money, and if it were me I’d probably write him a letter telling him my honest feelings which I think you said you were planning to do, and then the decision about re-opening the dialogue is his to make. Ball’s in his court. There’s really nothing more you can do because you need to hold firm on your decision to not give him money.
I see it gets complex when you factor in that he’s probably also using your guilt to get money because this has worked for him in the past so why stop doing what’s been working? So the longer he goes without speaking to you the more you probably beat yourself up for the mistakes you’ve made, and he knows this. He wants this. Yes, you’ve made mistakes that have affected him and I don’t mean to minimize those mistakes but the key now is that you acknowledge that you made them. And guess what….we all make mistakes as parents.Β We mess up but we learn and we get back on track no matter how late in the game. Make a decision today to be the parent you want to be. This means put it all out there, all the stuff you two aren’t talking about, things that have been brushed under the rug, and start the healing for the both of you. Do your best to make things right with him. This is what I would do. As painful as it may be to rehash the tough stuff, you’ve got to do it especially if he won’t do it (with or without you) in therapy, and if it’s too explosive a situation then put it all in a letter to him and then send it.
I think sometimes adult kids cut off their parents when the kids 1) see only one side of their childhood story, 2) don’t see any improvement/change in their parents’ behavior, and 3) believe that their parents didn’t/don’t love them.Β So help him to understand the other side of the story, show him you know you’ve messed up but you’ve learned and changed, and let him know you love him and want what’s best for him. Then you’ve done all you can do. He can decide what happens next. And you can move on with your life knowing you’ve done your best.
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