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Hi oregonguy,
Believe it or not, I’m sure your parents understand and chalk it up to youth/immaturity. After all, if you’re 30 years older than someone, you will always think of them as a “kid” going through a “phase”. LOL
My dad expressed remorse to me years and years and years after my grandmother had died. He admitted that he was a little mean to his MIL and regrets it so much. I told him I’m sure she understood and was more forgiving about it than he thought. She never brought up any bad times and only spoke about him with love and affection!
Strive to do better and you’ll do better in time.
Inky
InkyParticipantHi secrettattoo,
Actually, I think with some guys, they’d be relieved! My college boyfriend never liked PDA and my DH won’t hold hands in public. I’m more like you, actually, but when I am affectionate, it is sincere and can be overpowering. I think when you really love someone it shows through in your energy, being and aura. When people are all “needy” it means they are not “feeling it” from you.
Don’t change your nature, but maybe have a ritual going forward: A hug when you leave and a kiss when you return. Holding their hand tight during meal times for a moment and then letting go. Saying “I love you” when you wake up and when you fall asleep.
Best,
Inky
June 24, 2015 at 5:42 pm in reply to: Discussion about hardships in relationships, when to stay and when to leave? #78807InkyParticipantHi Again,
I would leave:
1. When Respect is not there. Contempt, anger, invalidating ~ those are deal breakers for me.
2. When there is infidelity, physical or emotional. Caveat: I have kids now so I would actually stay in the marriage until the last one is grown. A child’s stability trumps crazy girlfriends who would break up a home because they are “soul mates”.
3. When there is an issue “beyond” me. We are wives/girlfriends, NOT trained therapists. Addiction, abuse, gambling, anything with an anonymous 1-800 number.
4. When the man won’t take care of himself. Morbidly obese, untreated health problems, untreated depression. If they won’t take care of themselves, how would they help take care of their family? Especially in an emergency?
Best,
Inky
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InkyParticipantUpdate:
Talked to the wife and expressed my fears and asked her questions.
1. Have you read up on The Watchtower organization and founder?
2. Are you concerned that the potential for abuse is there in the Kingdom Hall because of the Watchtower organizational setup?
3. Do you know who your Elders are? (That would predict your future). Have they ever dis-fellowshipped anyone there before? Why? Worst case scenario, what happens if only one of you gets shunned, what would you do?
4. Will we still be friends as I am “worldly”?
5. DH shouldn’t proselytize to me as the way he’s doing it is actually making me turn AWAY from the JWs.
6. I’m sorry I’m bringing this up, I’m just so concerned I love you I love you I love you!!
She TOTALLY understood and had NEVER (!) done research on the organizational set up or knew who the Elders were in her Kingdom Hall. She understood that my fears were of them being under some outer Control. She said all organizations have problems. I said that when I Google “Protestant” I don’t get “Cult” like I do for JW and that’s why I’m concerned!
OK, thanks for letting me get this off my chest!!
InkyParticipantHi LotusFlowerinTheMud,
I’ve been with my DH half my life, and we couldn’t be more opposites. The artist and the engineer! The one glue that has held us together in harmony is RESPECT. Even when we disagree, I understand where he’s coming from. The only (rare) times I’ve “put my foot down” were on well being and safety issues. The rest of the times don’t matter and I’ll follow his lead (oftentimes pleasantly surprised!) and he does the same. I also let him enjoy his life/interests and he lets me enjoy mine. We meet at the end of the day and compare notes! And the weekends we are devoted to the family and each other.
Best,
Inky
InkyParticipantMatt, brilliant answer! I got tears in my eyes reading it! Thank you, thank you!!
Anita, yes, that’s one of my eventual fears. Us vs. Them, “Are you with Us, or are you Them?”
InkyParticipantHi anita,
How did you handle Robbie? Did you eventually say, “Not for me”?
I’m thinking (next time he brings it up) to say, “So, what’s up with all the cult warnings about JW?” and just plant the seed.
InkyParticipantI agree as I have one other JW friend (best friend’s sister). She is moderate, normal and has a brain.
This situation is alarming to me as we have been friends for fifteen years and the contrast is just too great. (I could have written more.) They are being totally swept up in this. Critical thinking lost. I don’t want them to be eventually be totally in control of the Watchtower thought police or have the Kingdom Hall run their lives. Their decision, yes, but utterly painful to see.
I have been polite about the proselyting but yes, the time has come to say, “I’ve done my own independent research and this isn’t for me. Please don’t waste your time on me with this, I’m just your friend and neighbor.”
InkyParticipantHi crazz,
It’s only natural to feel responsible for our spouse. That’s what marriage is for, after all, to fight back to back together against the world, if need be. You are exhausted because you have been doing all the “fighting”.
And at least he’s trying! If you do the right thing, even for the wrong reasons, one day you may wake up and do the right things BECAUSE it’s the right thing! Only time will tell, for him.
Hang in there (but only if you want to),
Inky
InkyParticipantIt is so trite, but:
1. Time heals all wounds and
2. Living well is the best revenge.
Nicole, I can almost promise you that in a year he will talk to and treat his current girlfriend as badly as he has to you. And that in a year after that, they won’t be together. In fact, in five years don’t be surprised if you run into her and you compare horrible notes.
Two stories to make you feel better:
My first love had treated me a little shabby and at his worst would say things like, “Go back to the people who love you” and crap like that. He, of course, was gorgeous. Cue fifteen years later. We see each other again. He had lost all his looks, and it looked like life had treated him about as well as he had treated me. He had a chip on his shoulder because the world may give good looking people a free pass on bad behavior, but ugly looking people the world will usually give no pass at all. I’m there with my tall, blonde, handsome, kind husband who loves me. He mutters sarcastically, looking at him: “Who wears a tie?” and stalks away.
The second story.. Me and my sister are in a bar and my ex-brother-in-law’s now ex-girlfriend is there. We start comparing notes. We say, “No, it’s not your imagination, he is really like that”. She says he had dumped her last year and she will still get texts from him, giving her crap. At that moment her cell phone chirps. It’s him! She says, “Oh, by the way, I’m sitting here with your old sister-in-law and your ex-wife!” He hears us three burst out laughing at him! He was all, “Why are you friends?!?” He never called to bother her again!
Chin up! You are all that and he knows it! Otherwise he wouldn’t have tried so, so hard to bring you down!!
Karma will work out in your favor for you to see it, you’ll see!
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InkyParticipantHi sandy,
I think you’re being too hard on yourself. When you’re in a new relationship or dating, everyone puts their best foot forward. Even “10s”. And even if you’re a “5” everyone can polish up for a first date to seem like an “8” to a “10”. It’s what we do!
1. For a date coming over to your house, OF COURSE you’ll clean up! It’s what we do when company’s coming over anyway. It gives us a chance to clean!
2. Don’t talk about your debt or leave “WARNING: Third Notice!” envelopes out in plain sight. If you’re a student, of course you’re in debt! How can you not be? Everyone gets it and no one will talk about it, assuming you’ve got it under control. Even millionaires have debt! It’s the American Way, after all!
3. No one talks about their family’s addiction problems until you’re already established in a relationship. And when you bring it up, guess what? The other person will offer their family’s skeletons in the closet too! No family is immune to problems. There is no perfect family.
4. Guys don’t care if a woman’s not already established or “successful”. They just don’t, in my experience. They want someone pretty, nice, stable and supportive who gives them happiness and no drama.
You’re not as bad as you think, and the guys out there aren’t as good as they’re projecting either.
Have Fun!
Inky
InkyParticipantHi Again,
What I mean by your loneliness/isolation being excuses:
We feel our feelings, and instead of reaching out to others or being comfortable in our own skin, we say “BUT”. i.e. “I feel isolated BUT the people around me are not very open” (therefore I’ll do nothing and stay miserable). That’s all I meant. Basically I’d rather you stay busy and active, and meet new people rather than stay depressed.
Make a plan for people to see, things to do and places to go this very weekend.
Good Luck!
InkyParticipantHi jdkm,
So let’s say you’re on a diet. But you go to an event, have a bite of birthday cake, and beat yourself up. That’s what they mean by “Don’t be so hard on yourself.” They don’t mean buying a Carvel cake and eating it all in one sitting on purpose!
But you’re not on a diet, you’re not a bad person, you don’t have a goal. You have gone through a break up! Even if you feel you should be “over it”, it is SO common to sleep around after one! Kind of proving to yourself that you’ve still “got it”.
I’m not sure why we have meaningless flings ~ probably a deed seated fear of being alone.
“Don’t judge anyone, not even yourself.”
Next time say to the guy, “I don’t go home with anyone unless there’s a commitment.” Be brave. If he leaves for sure it will re-trigger the feelings you had during the breakup. But don’t even get to that point. You are OK on your own AND a gift for any man.
Blessings,
Inky
InkyParticipantHi anita and everyone!
I think of my mom and step-dad when I hear “Have your goal be Here and Now”.
So this is their life: The Grandkids, Travel, and the Power Squadron. That’s it! Every month they see all the kids/grandkids. They go on a trip for two weeks every season. And they do all their club’s activities. That’s It, Man! When nothing is going on they have their routines. No stress. No “arriving”. No “ambition”. They love those three things and they schedule them in.
They are utterly happy. They have their goals here and now.
InkyParticipantHi lotuslotus,
I think what has happened is that you worked so hard for so long, now that you have “arrived”, you essentially crashed. You know how your body suddenly gets sick after you’ve gone through a long ordeal? When it’s “over”, the body says, “Now is the perfect time to reboot” (get sick so you can recover). You are depressed. The shyness/isolation/you miss your boyfriend ~ I’m not saying it’s not real, not at all ~ but to me they seem like mental excuses to keep yourself unhappy. Because you don’t have the energy to get into this new life of yours. The disappointment of “This is it?” now that you’ve arrived have compounded your discouragement too.
What I would do is give it time. Work at your job with no expectations. Do things that interest you with no expectations. Join a place of worship and a gym ~ again with no expectations. Meet your neighbors. Go on local Meet Ups. Volunteer. Again, no expectations. By the end of the year take a step back and critically review your life. I bet you will happily discover you actually have several friends.
Best,
Inky
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