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January 10, 2017 at 5:23 am in reply to: When someone you love makes poor relationship decisions #124994Nina SakuraParticipant
To be honest, I dont think there is much you can do here except have the whole family have a good talk with her, knock some sense into her. Beyond that, I doubt there is much to be done. Or get her a new rich guy who behaves better but that’s not much of a long term solution either. She could probably be depressed in reality and is therefore settling for this shit from the other guys.
Nina SakuraParticipantActually wish, what I want to ask is – how did you manage to go there – what line of work or subject you are in?
What are the prospects like in your country and possible alternatives? See I know you are depressed things haven’t worked out and your friends seem to be doing better but feeling sorry for yourself isn’t going to help. You are gonna sink deeper and deeper into this over time if you keep brooding.
You have to make the effort to come out of this. You atleast have your family with you. They are surely supportive and good people.
Come on, you really think God is punishing you for going overseas by making your parents sick? You love your family and you have your own wishes too. What’s wrong with taking the leap? You would be there for your parents no matter what. Of course they are gonna get old. With age, health does decline. It’s not you. Don’t be so hard on yourself.
It’s been a few months only and perhaps the economy is just down – you will figure something out but you gotta get out of this mindset that life is over, your dream was crap. No I don’t think it was crap. You tried to live your dream. How many have courage to even try that? So what if it didn’t meet your expectations? That’s life, isn’t it?
There is no peachy perfect. There is some good and some bad. What if your parents fell sick when you were away from home now? How would you feel then? Think of that possibility, atleast you are back at home when they need you most.
Sometimes what we expect doesn’t materialize but it does help us see what we actually want, gives us perspective. You were brave enough to try, surely you can be a bit brave and come out of this. I am guessing not having a job is giving you the most distress at this moment. How are you going about the process?
Nina SakuraParticipantWhat exactly was your dream? Was the actual problem the loneliness you faced when you left or the dream?
Nina SakuraParticipantDear Kiva
I haven’t read the book but I have read Mark’s articles. The basic points are indeed good but the use of the f word after every sentence wasn’t something I enjoyed.
Essentially what he says is – Know what’s important to you, stop going after the nonsense to please others, expect life to beat you to the ground anyway.
It reminded me a bit of Rocky Balboa’s speech to his kid minus the expletives and some more positive commentary about ones own inner resources.
Essentially what Mark advocates is being more considerate of the important things in life, the ones that actually matter to “you”. As my mom used to say, albeit bluntly when I was a teen, stop complicating your own life by inviting more nonsense thinking 😛 (sighs, still working on that)
Mason’s ideas are nothing new, the only new thing is that he doesn’t sugar coat it that hard and kinda irritates one too with the whole glorified language, slightly over the top talk.
Frankly the best self help book I have ever read isn’t a self help book. It was Victor Frankls “Man’s search for meaning” – it made me see just how formidably strong people can be in the most barbaric situations. Then Marc and Angels blog is good as well. Simple, real and not a pretentious pile of positivity or negativity crap “excuse the vocabulary”
Have you read more of his book so far?
PS : I am not a Buddhist or Buddhist-ish but religion, spirituality is an area of interest.
Regards
NinaNina SakuraParticipantDear learn more
This feeling you describe – what’s its like really? A sense of feeling disconnected from people, an uneasiness about yourself and life? What’s it like and what kind of thoughts do you get? Is there a particular occasion when you feel more in this state?
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NinaNina SakuraParticipantRun, run, run and run far away unless you want to be wife number 9 or 12 or whichever. Do you think he will stop after you? Sure he is nice to you now but how can you be sure about a man who has already had 8 wives and happens to be from a very patriarchal culture?
You aren’t just gonna be with him. In the end, you get tied to his family too. So that dream solution of only staying here and never going to Nigeria…well trust me, it ain’t that simple.
Are you willing to adapt to such a culture so that you feel more stable after a 16 year old marriage ended? I dunno if this is worth it to feel less lonely.
And again, totally agree with Xenopous for a change – the drugs, the multiple wives, online women – these aren’t good signs.
January 8, 2017 at 4:54 am in reply to: did he ever loved me ?or was just playing ?what should i do to move on? #124820Nina SakuraParticipantDear person88,
Please go through the previous messages.
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NinaJanuary 7, 2017 at 1:13 pm in reply to: did he ever loved me ?or was just playing ?what should i do to move on? #124786Nina SakuraParticipantDear person88,
The physical pain and crying is normal because you are going through a grieving process as a relationship has ended. However to really cut the chord, you must make sure not to allow this man to contact you for whatever reason. Better to block him on fb to be honest or you will end up stalking his profile eventually when you are in a low mood.
There is no right or wrong here about it being “odd” or not in terms of unfriending. He was a jerk to you and you can decide for yourself to have this space. I suggest blocking bcoz if u unfriend, he will use this as an excuse to contact you somehow by sending friend request again. Your call though.
I know this is so painful- to try so hard to be with someone, to give your heart to him and have them do this to you. I tell you though, it wasn’t your fault at all. You did your best but as you can see, his behaviour wasn’t right at all. Don’t allow him to make you feel bad. Any guy would be lucky to have a girl who cares so much. It’s his loss that he didn’t understand your value. It’s your gain that you realised his true nature much before you even got married to this guy and had children. Just imagine how complicated things would have been then.
I can only say that let time heal your heart. Allow yourself to cry, write your feelings down often, go see a friend and go for walk…anything to get your head away from this guy. He wasn’t worthy of this effort.
I am really sorry it ended this way. It does get better though – the heart heals…when I first got my heart broken in a long term relationship, I lost a lot of weight and took up fitness, art to cope with the awful feelings. I cried all the time, felt angry at him and missed him too. Somehow over next couple of months, it got better. He tried to contact me again and do emotional blackmail but I ignored him, blocked him.
It will hurt for a while but it will get better. Don’t be alone during this time though. Go meet your friends, keep yourself occupied. Stay away from fb for the time being.
Regards
NinaJanuary 7, 2017 at 6:14 am in reply to: did he ever loved me ?or was just playing ?what should i do to move on? #124748Nina SakuraParticipantDear person88,
Your whole post is about him, it was about him in the relationship, it is about about him even now. What about you? Do you honestly believe you deserve a partner like this who,
1) Treats you and orders you like a maidservant?
2) Doesn’t bother to give you enough time and thinks that saying few sweet words, showing up at your door will solve all the bullshit he does?
3) Has no problem with other women in his life?You have been saved from a shitty marriage. He will come to you once in a while when he is bored with the other girl. He will make you guilty for the crap he did, even blame you when its convinient. Then say he is sorry and within next day, back to his usual behaviour when he is convinced you are back.
His behaviour has had too many red flags in just one post. It’s good you were able to come out of this.
Forget what he thinks. It doesn’t matter what he is doing. Cut this man from your life.
Please move on for your own happiness with your own life, work, set of friends, a better romantic partner than this one. Please give your exams properly. You will have more regrets if you ruin your studies because of a relationship.
I know you are hurting still but be glad you were strong enough to take the step that is healthy for you. Now you have to stay strong for your sake.
If you happen to have English subtitles, watch this movie called “Queen” (Hindi) – I have a feeling it will cheer you up a bit.
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NinaNina SakuraParticipantDear Russ
I am going to get back to you soon about this once I go through the previous posts as well. I feel it would give me a better understanding of things.
One thing I am still unclear about is how did their time of financial difficulty affect you?
Were you a teen then or a kid? We’re there any instances you felt anxious or felt instances of irritation from them? What was the environment at home when this phase was going on?
What do you mean by “responsibility of it transferred” – does this mean when you went to college, or when you got married or when kids happened? When do you reckon the anxiety really got bad about this? Please explain this particular thing in detail in terms of who, when and how. Hope you don’t mind me bugging you with these questions 🙂
I will send you the file soon once I can find it after my laptop is back from repair. Do write back, it’s good to dig deeper into some specific areas and understanding ones own belief systems. Everything is oddly linked.
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Nina- This reply was modified 7 years, 10 months ago by Nina Sakura.
Nina SakuraParticipantHave you mentioned this anxiety about money to your therapist? I think a deeper assesment of its roots would be beneficial. How did it affect your relationship with your former spouse ?
(Sorry about the numerous questions 🙂 )
Nina SakuraParticipantHey Russ,
No problem at all. You can surely make a fresh ID and I will send it across. I also don’t use my main email ID anyway 🙂
I must say your description of what you in a friend is rather beautiful actual. It’s so simple and can be easily found at the right places with a little bit of effort. You essentially want quality companionship, not emotional intimacy per say. That is something you appear to crave with a romantic partner, a future spouse.
In simple terms, you want good, solid, down to earth people who are kind.
They are out there actually no matter how materialistic and superficial the world seems at times. The funny thing is, lot of people actually seek this very bonding you described.
Someone to have a laugh with to wash away worries.
It’s good that you are aware of this need.
The anxiety that you described about money is something that really intrigues me. It seems to have had a huge impact on your life, relationships along with things that happened with your rather religious folks at home.
I am really curious to know – when did your issues with money start? Since you started working, got married or after kids? What was your family’s attitude towards money when you were growing up?
Hope to hear from you soon.
Regards
NinaNina SakuraParticipantDear jaz
In very plain terms, the honeymoon phase of the relationship is over. Sparks are there at the start. Then there is a vaccum and the farting phase starts after that. What this means is, it’s no longer crazy but it’s more stable, calm kind of love – getting ready for the long haul. The part where you decide is whether you want to stay or not and the flaws become more visible.
Having crushes here and there is okay as long as you choose to remain faithful to your partner both emotionally and physically. The day you cross that line, things are indeed over. As the other posters pointed out, it’s about establishing trust and stability for a long term commitment. Learnt this the hard way thanks to the last failed relationship.
Forget the fireworks. They are great for Katy Perry songs but those only go on for 5 minutes. If this is the one, it’s going to be boring and hard at times and sometimes plain annoying to put up with this person over the years. But there is just something about this person and the feeling of wanting to stay because you “want” to, not because you “need” to.
Close your eyes and just think that you will never call him again, see his message again or even meet him again, hear his voice in your head and feel it vanish. Imagine it. You will know. This is something none of our advice’s can tell you.
I suggest you also work on the depression issues – often that has a spill over effect in relationships too.
Regards
NinaNina SakuraParticipantHey Russ,
Forgot to ask you something though – which was the point of your first post, especially about friends.
What do you define as a friend?
How do you find them?
What does having a friend do for you?
Do you reckon it gets harder to make friends as one gets older?
What kind of friendship do you want?
What qualities do you generally look for in a friend?
According to me, there are acquaintances, people between acquaintances and friends, and then of course friends. The intimacy and familiarity varies accordingly.
Based on this, what do you really require? What’s the need they will serve for you?
You seem like a really considerate person bdw. I was very happy to see that you put the effort to personally reply to us all. Very rarely have I seen this and appreciate this.
Regards
NinaNina SakuraParticipantDear Russ,
It hasn’t been an easy process but worth it. I still feel anxious, low once in a while but I am better at coping with these states. There is more balance now. It was worth to make an attempt to change my outlook.
How I started was through plain research – looked through various kinds of therapies, self help books, talked to people who knew me well and I trusted them. During that time going to therapy was beyond my economic means, so i didnt opt for it. I did go eventually for a short while and felt that my problem was workable with right support and information.
Therapy teaches us the means to cope better but it is us who has to implement them after all when in distress. Medication is one way but there are more too. It boils down to understanding the problem and doing ones homework.
For example, here you can pick up the various points others have raised as possible areas to look into, strategies. Copy paste these down in word for now.
I accumulated all the ideas, points I came across relevant to my problem in a word doc with a big heading – “Means for change” – then of course the question came, what do I really want to change?
I always had a basic idea about what I hated about myself, my life but the list seemed never ending. I was worried all the time about everything possible. You can imagine how difficult it was to be this negative and anxious. This next list called what I want to change was huge as a result.
There were two things that I then considered :-
1) How do I like what I am and what I have?
2) what can I actually change?This is where the serenity prayer comes in –
“grant me the serenity to accept what I can’t change, the courage to change what I can and the wisdom to know the difference”
Of course this process was messy and took time
So this is where the excel comes in –
Now I had tried to write here on what the excel really looked but I realize it’s too cumbersome to explain in words what is essentially a rather long doc. If you would like, I can send you the format and a sample. Share any email ID and I will send it across.
Ironically this internal audit was very helpful in helping me keep track of things and it appealed to my type A nature.
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