Forum Replies Created
-
AuthorPosts
-
March 24, 2024 at 5:25 pm in reply to: Should a “Cheating” Girlfriend be forgiven over a technicality? #428986ParadoxMusicParticipant
Dear Tee,
Thank you for understanding my pain. Even now she keeps asking me to take her back, but it is very difficult for me to forget what happened. When I initially found out about what happened, one of my friends told me that he could feel the negative energy radiating off me, and I ranted to him about what she did and he said that he wouldn’t mind, that he would forgive. So am I the problem? She sounds like she really regret her actions, but she has repeated the same foolishness so many times that it is hard to just forgive.
I asked her, what if one day we were walking and a female classmate came to give me a hug and I hugged her back? Obviously she wouldn’t like it. And she would tell me that she does not like it when I get too close to women. Then imagine I apologize and say I won’t do it again, then few days later, she finds me hugging another woman. Then imagine I apologize AGAIN and promise to never do it AGAIN, then a few weeks later she finds me hugging another woman AGAIN. Then imagine I plead and beg for her to take me back and she decides to give me one LAST chance, only to find me giving a friendly kiss to a woman’s cheek. How would she feel then? She would feel like I am not learning. I am not changing. That I am making false promises. That I do not respect her. She would consider breaking up with me permanently. That is how I feel. That is the conflict I am facing.
“Okay, so you asked her – not too tactfully – if she was a gold digger” Yea I was not planning to play no games with her. I am an honest man and I always speak the truth and I prefer to be straight forward. So I asked her the question. I understand how she felt in that moment. I understand that she felt offended. But at least listen to me when I correct her misunderstanding. At least give me a chance to explain myself. I just wanted to hear her say that she truly loved me. Just like how she asks me every five seconds whether I still love her, and as annoying as that question is, I still tell her how much I love her. But a break up like that is not an excuse to go sleep with another man. I understand that she was hurting but that is not a valid reason to sleep with another man, which actualy proved my parents right. She literally proved that she was the very thing that she denied being. She proved that the stereotype that my parents had about women in general was true, and made me look like a fool for trying to convince my parents that she was the exception.
“And not only that, but she invited him to live with her” You are right about everything you said except one thing. She did not invite her ex to come live as her housemate. Her ex is actually her other housemate’s brother. There are three people living in the house. It used to be 3 women, but when her bestie (who is actually a bigger cheater than B but they cut ties when B started to see her true nature) left the house, the other woman invited her brother (B’s ex) to live in the house in the vacant room, since he needed a place to stay. But she only told me it was a man. She did not specify that the man was actually her ex. And I had to find out in the most dramatic way ever, where he tried to attack me for being her bf, his jealousy. His face looked familiar to me, so I asked her if this ex was the same man she was half naked with in the picture earlier, but she denied it MULTIPLE TIMES until she finally confessed a year later while confessing the cheating. So that is two betrayals at one time that I had to deal with. B told me that the female housemate begged her to let T live in the vacant room, and that he would leave in a few months because he was going to graduate from law school soon, so she decided to let him stay. And as a very forgiving man, as stupid as I am, I decided to let it go too.
I asked her again today why she did what she did. And she told me that it was because she felt obligated to, she felt like she should obey her aunt, cause breaking up with me made her feel like only her aunt cared about her. So she just did what her aunt told her to. I understand how she felt, but that does not make it right. But every time she calls, crying and everything, I cannot bear the thought of seeing her hurt, to see her in pain. I cannot. It is painful for me. A part of me wants to believe that she has changed. But I am trying to keep a cold face, pushing aside all my emotions cause I feel that breaking up with her is the best option for me and her. Maybe she will treat her next man better.
“I am sure her aunt told her that too, and probably encouraged her to use her attributes to find a rich husband.” I feel that if this was the case, I am pretty sure B would have slept with her manager to keep her job. But she didn’t (as far as I know, and the fact that the manager caused her to get fired) so I do not think her aunt impacted her in that manner. I think the aunt just told her that she should take advantage of men, but the influence was not strong enough to actually act on what her aunt said, as she knows it is wrong. And she sure wouldn’t have chosen me, cause I don’t have a job or anything. If she was focused on getting a rich husband, she could have taken the offer made by a rich army man who wanted to marry her (long distance relationship while she was living with the aunt) but she did not take that offer, so I do not have enough evidence to actually believe she was planning to use men herself. She just seemed to be following her aunt’s orders, and that too for only one time. But one time was enough to screw up everything. Based on all of this, she does not seem to see herself as a sex object or anything. She always reads the bible and prays almost everyday. I don’t think she would go against the bible’s rules, but she knows how attractive she is. And as for the bikini post, I think she just forgot that I disliked her doing stuff like that. She is actually a private woman, who barely posts anything about herself. She literally has like one post regarding pictures she took at a modeling agency, and even in the bikini post, it was a status post that had limited viewers too. I think the thought of me disliking such behavior just went over her head cause she sometimes does not think straight. So she did not actually have a strong drive to post the picture, but she still did impulsively. But that means that if she can do something stupid once, she can do something stupid again later. But either way, we were already broken up, so idk if that technicality relieves her from the responsibility of not going against my wishes. But she should not have went against my wishes, especially if she wanted even a 1% chance of me taking her back.
I thought all she needed was to be loved properly. But I was wrong. I suppose she needs individual therapy. I will suggest that to her. Thank you for the advice.
Paradoxy.
March 23, 2024 at 4:05 pm in reply to: Should a “Cheating” Girlfriend be forgiven over a technicality? #428945ParadoxMusicParticipantDear Anita,
Lol yes, I guess paradoxy is a fitting name for me at this point.
“You love her, but alas, the paradox: you also love to hate her, evident in the many upper case typing.” I do not love to hate her. The use of upper case typing is whenever I feel the rising anger in me as I am literally writing out my thoughts here. The things that I hate about her are the things that torment me. I have not slept properly in the last 3 months. I have been going through a depressed phase of just wanting the pain to end, whether it be through death or amnesia or something. But I understand your point. I never thought of the possibility that I could be projecting my hate for women in general, on B. But I still disagree with it, because if I hated women like that, I would not have even tried dating at all. All i wanted was to find a woman who can be a good friend to me, who is willing to care for me, and do everything else a wife should do, have God at the center of our life and I just wanted to serve such a deserving woman. I just wanted to find such a perfect woman, someone who despite her flaws is still the most perfect being I have ever met. I would be more than willing to serve such a woman, to give her everything she wants, to keep her on that high pedestal, to be treated like the queen that she is. It will be my honor to serve such a woman. And I believed I found that in B, and I have realized that even though she has done a lot of stupid things, she is still 100000x better than most of the other women that I have met. Its like I cannot even blame her for being stupid cause I know she is trying her best to do the right things. How do you even improve someone’s decision making skills? Like how do you teach someone to make better decisions?
Yes you are right about the things I said in 2020, but it had all changed upon meeting B. I had initially loved the pain, the ‘Dark Energy’ but meeting B completely annihilated that feeling. The feeling of being loved by someone for the first time was literally changing me for the better. Knowing that I had her in my life felt like a factory reset button. I was a thousand times happier, more energetic, no longer depressed, no longer suicidal, no longer in love with that Dark Energy. I wanted to do everything I could to make her life better. I wanted to treat her like the special woman that she is. I literally wanted to just serve her, to maintain her happiness, etc. But now that I lost her, I can feel the things of the past slowly creeping back into me, starting with self hate.
I think I agree with what I said in March 23-25, I do not wish to fall in love again. I do not wish to endure such pain again. Love is blinding, a pain in my behind. The relationship with B has ruined me for the worst. I literally do not want to be with anyone else. I do not want to even give anyone a chance, cause that is the mindset I grew up in. Love one woman and one woman only. Even if I give another woman a chance, I feel like I would constantly be subconsciously comparing her to B, and I do not think that is right nor fair for that person. I have grown to realize that everyone else is happier without me existing in their life. All I would be is a source of pain for others, which I do not wish to do. I have thought about everything in my life and I have realized that if my role in each event had been removed, the persons affected by the event would have been happier. Maybe I should blame myself for breaking up with B in January, which caused her to do what she did. Maybe the love I offered was not good enough. I don’t know. And just like I predicted, by choosing to love again, I became an idiot and a fool.
My parents are good people. Though their methods are questionable, their aim was to help me. They did not physically abuse me. But you could say that I was emotionally abused, while B was physically abused.
“In addition to their abuse, they instilled in you the core belief that women are bad, dishonest people who are not to be trusted” No they did not install in me that women are bad, dishonest people. They have taught me that women in the modernized world, can have ulterior motives for loving you so I should have my guard up and should not be vulnerable around a woman. But I am wise enough to realize that though they meant their words to apply to all modern woman, there will always be exceptions to their belief and I should become wise enough to distinguish a proper woman from gold diggers and etc. I listened to my parents but their words only guide me, not control me. So I do not believe that all women are bad, dishonest people. That is why I argued with my parents that B was different from the rest. Unfortunately, I was wrong.
I am not directing the anger for my parents on other people. Do not misunderstand, but I am wise enough to decide who deserves my anger and who does not. My parents are generally good people, they have only wanted the best for me. It is just that their methods are a bit too old fashioned. They are too narrow minded to accept change in life style. To accept a different method to handling situations. They have never listened to me. Always discouraging me from what I wanted to do. Even this med career was their fault. I never wanted this. I wanted to do music or computers. But here I am. But they are still good people. But their methods are questionable, just like Aunt 1, but they are nowhere near as morally twisted and stupid as Aunt 1, and they will never cross that moral line. I am wise enough to see the underlying meaning/purpose behind their actions and therefore, I have chosen to forgive my parents because they do not know any better and their wisdom still taught me to be a good man to the best of my ability, but I will never forget the pain, the anger, I have endured cause of them.
Yes my anger is directed at B right now. Cause she had the power to make the right decision and she still chose wrong. She had many opportunities to tell me the truth. She had opportunities to reject her aunt’s plan. But instead she went along with it. She is a 22 year old who obviously knew what was wrong and what was right. She was aware of the things I liked and the things I hated. She knew that I hated seeing her in revealing outfits in public. She knew that sleeping with another man is wrong. That is why I said that she is a full grown adult capable of making proper decisions because she knows what is right and what is wrong, yet she still intentionally chose wrong.
My anger towards my parents and the anger towards B are totally different things. Do not muddle up those two. I am not that foolish. It is part of my moral code to never redirect anger to someone else, cause I have experienced that myself. I have had my parents’ anger towards something else redirected to me, so I know how it feels so it is part of my morals to never redirect my anger for my parents towards someone else, to never let anyone suffer the way I suffered.
Paradoxy
March 23, 2024 at 3:06 pm in reply to: Should a “Cheating” Girlfriend be forgiven over a technicality? #428942ParadoxMusicParticipantDear Tee,
Yes she was not exposed to sexual exploitation as a child/youth. She did admit that her aunt wanted her to marry an old man to get citizenship to make it easier to pay the bill and etc but other than that there was no other manipulation that I am aware of.
“So did her aunt get married to a rich guy?” Yes, the aunt married 3 different successful men, all of whom are coincidentally dead (weird but no suspicious activity has been noticed as they all died in different ways such as old age, car accident etc).
“I wonder what were B’s responsibilities that Al didn’t want to take on himself?” The responsibilities that Al didn’t want to take on himself were things such as financial responsibilities and her education and home; to take care of her essentially.
“It also seems B was conflicted about starting a sexual relationship with Al, but he threatened to leave her, so she agreed.” Yes that is also correct. Al was her first sexual partner who introduced her to foreplay and the actual sex. (He had slept with a lot of woman too, body count probably in the 20s)
“Was she desperate to talk to her aunt because around that time, she found out that Al was cheating on her?” I think she just did not have anyone actively caring for her at the time so she just wanted someone to talk to, but Al’s cheating probably played a factor but based on my understanding, the Aunt and B only resumed their relationship when starting college, and the breakup and stuff technically occurred few months before college (within 2 months).
“And then, in that moment of fragility, her aunt told her about the married man looking for a young girl for sex?” No, the aunt told her about the married man when B and I started dating. So she was already in a healthy relationship when she learnt about the married man. And when the suggestion was made, she already told me that her aunt wanted her to do it and we had already discussed how wrong that was and it was obvious that I did not want her to do it and she had agreed. Like the situation was so bizarre that I just pushed it off labelling the aunt as just some crazy lady and nothing more. I had no idea that B would be stupid enough to go along with her aunt when it is so obvious that I did not want her to do it.
“It also shows that her aunts are not some good, caring women who instilled positive values in B” My logical explanation is that the aunt suffered in her life, cause her sister (B’s mom) was the reason she did not get to go to college and etc. So she basically used men to climb up the ladder. In a way, life was cruel to her and so she just adopted the belief that the only way to survive is to use men for an advantage, and she could not see any other way to survive and tried to install the same belief in B, but I was there to stop the foolishness but i guess my efforts were not good enough.
“(She had good influence from her family members during this time.) They are in fact immoral women who sought to prostitute their own niece for money.” No only Aunt 1 tried to do that. Everyone else, her father, aunt 2, etc all showed love to B, even her own mother did not continue to harm B. Only Aunt 1 had the twisted morals to ‘secure B’s future’ by helping her make money by giving her body to men. Aunt 1 was not even trying to take advantage of the money or anything. Her aim was to actually help B secure a future, but the method is one of the cruelest things I have ever seen. A 40 something year old woman who has 3 children, one of whom is a daughter almost the same age as B was able to do this? Clearly nobody has knocked some sense into her head.
“Since B agreed…it tells me that this wasn’t strange for her at all” THATS THE THING! SHE DID NOT AGREE UNTIL SHE WENT TO VISIT HER AUNT AND WE BROKE UP. Even when her aunt was sending her $500 per month, she believed that the money was coming from the aunt, not the man. She only found out that it was from the man when she went to visit the aunt. We both agreed that the aunt was crazy when she suggested that B get married to an old man and when she mentioned the man at the beginning but I thought B had made it clear that she did not want to do it. Maybe B did reject the offer but her aunt still continued with the plan, I don’t know.
This story is too detailed for B to have invented it, however she could be lying about certain details. B also told me that she was heart broken and in pain cause of the break up, saying she felt abandoned by me, which was why she was willing to go along with her aunt. But the stupid thing is that the very reason we broke up is because I told her about my parents’ belief that women these days will take advantage of men and cheat on them etc, which she found offensive. BUT THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT SHE ENDED UP DOING. SHE LITERALLY PROVED MY PARENTS RIGHT. Like how does that even work? Shouldn’t she be trying to prove my parents wrong? Make me regret breaking up with her? I broke up with her because she misunderstood what I was trying to say. Based on all the stories my parents told me, I started to fear that they may be right. So I went and asked her if she had an ulterior motive to dating me, cause she once told me that she and her bestie back then were planning to look around the Med Faculty for the future husband, and it just so happened that I am studying med. So I asked her and she felt offended. But when I tried to clarify the misunderstanding, she refused to listen to me and pissed me off to the point I decided that it is better to not be in a relationship with a woman who is keen on misunderstanding everything I say and does not want to listen to the man who has been very good to her. And then she proved my parents right, and hid it from me.
The only proper reason for her impaired judgement at that time is that the break up hurt her enough to just be her aunt’s puppet without resistance. So with that said, should I put this into consideration and give her another chance?
Paradoxy
March 23, 2024 at 6:03 am in reply to: Should a “Cheating” Girlfriend be forgiven over a technicality? #428923ParadoxMusicParticipantDear Tee,
The ex is actually a housemate, as they are not sharing rooms but sharing the house. Besides, I have no choice but to forgive that they are living together because it is not their fault that they are college students who cannot afford to get their own place, but I cannot forgive the fact that she did not let me know who he actually was even though she made me aware of the existence of a male housemate. And regarding the sexual encounter, it is just a possibility as they were both half nude but I can never be certain. I can only wonder what could have happened. So should I give her the benefit of doubt?
“It appears to me that she cannot stay away from men’s advances and men’s attention. This could be a result of her being sexually abused and used for prostitution since her youth. In other words, it could be the result of trauma.” She was not sexually abused and used for prostitution since her youth. She was only put in that state once. She was physically abused by her mother, but other than that she had a normal life. Top of the class, most known romantic couple in high school, church choir girl, etc. Even in the case of her first boyfriend, she broke up with him because she could not afford to buy him a birthday present. That is the level of immaturity that I am dealing with. Her first boyfriend treated her very well: protecting her from her mother’s abuse, getting a phone for her to call him whenever necessary, etc. The neglect from her parents may have affected her, but she was already in the process of healing from those experiences. In fact, I am the only person who took on the role of helping her heal. Not her father, not her aunt, not her cousin or ex boyfriends. It was me. I showed her what it meant to be properly loved. I showed her what it feels like to be respected. Yet she rejected me and followed her stupid aunt.
Her aunt was not her primary caregiver. In fact their relationship was not even that strong. She only lived with her aunt for a year or two, and she did not even maintain contact with her for an entire year until she needed her again. So there is no evidence to show that she had no choice but to obey the aunt. She had a job, supported herself, saved money to go to college herself without asking for help from anyone etc. Even outside of that, she had support from me and her father, and we both truly cared for her. So there is no way that she could have been manipulated into obeying her aunt. She reads her bible, tries to follow the rules in the bible, knows that a wife belongs to her husband and the husband belongs to the wife yet she still managed to put herself in this situation. Like there is no logical explanation for her action and it’s driving me crazy.
“Sounds like she was taking good care of your physical needs” False, she tried her best with my emotional needs as well, I just didn’t think of listing them which is why I said etc. She tries to motivate me whenever the stress of medicine gets to me. She even supported my music development, computer engineering projects etc. She always tried to ensure that I was emotionally and mentally well generally, but it is just when it’s regarding other men and simple misunderstandings where the issue rises. I guess some people are just too stupid/blind regarding certain things. Though she tried her best, her best is not good enough. She refuses to listen to me, accept when she is wrong, shuts me down, always misunderstands things despite how many times I break down the information for her to process better. It is just amazing how such a woman can be the most wonderful wife and still be doing foolishness.
“She isn’t able to reject other men’s advances.” That is the funny part. She does reject other men’s advances. This woman is actually very beautiful and very sexually attractive to many men. I have seen first hand how so many men are attracted to her and she has rejected countless advances from men already. So she is actually capable of being faithful. She has people from modeling agencies, to popular music artists, to company ceos interested in her and she has rejected all of their advances. So I am just confused as to how this situation even happened. My only logical explanation is just plain stupidity.
“If she is blaming you for her behavior and telling you it’s not a big deal that she has secret liaisons with other men, and shutting you down when you want to talk about it… then she is far from accepting that she needs therapy” No she stopped making the excuse that it is not a big deal, but she continues to do things such as posting pictures of herself in very revealing bikini outfits (which is normal since a lot of women does it despite being told not to by their partner but I am not going to tolerate it). And she shuts me down when she is busy accusing me based on her misunderstanding of various situations and she just overthinks so much that she is not able to accept the correct understanding of certain things despite me trying to break down the facts to make it easier for her to understand. Eventually she understands but the amount of pressure I have to put to force her to listen is really high. I have to figuratively shut her mouth with tape to make her listen, that is the level the situation has become.
I am trying to step away from the relationship right now, but I still have lingering feelings for her. Besides that, I know that if I do not protect her, her stupid behind is going to get herself in trouble again and I do not wish to wake up tomorrow to learn that she was raped and murdered. And I also have to think about what she may have felt when she was doing all of these things. Technically, we were broken up when she decided to sleep with other man. So does that technicality give grounds for forgiving her? Should I put into consideration the fact that maybe the break up was so painful for her that she needed some form of sexual release to cope with the pain? We have agreed to try some couple’s counseling but I do not think that will work. I appreciate your advice though.
Paradoxy
March 23, 2024 at 5:13 am in reply to: Should a “Cheating” Girlfriend be forgiven over a technicality? #428922ParadoxMusicParticipantDear Anita,
I believe you may have misunderstood certain things about the matter.
I said “Knowing how humans are” because I have been studying psychology especially regarding relationships for the past three years as part of my medical degree, and all evidences and shared experiences from others indicate that most of them who valued Christian morals only gave in to the idea of sex due to their innocent belief that their current partner would be their last. But you are right, I believed that too, and now here I am.
You have misunderstood B’s history. Most of her life was under her own parents, mainly her mother and she only spent one or two years with her aunt, and that too at the age where she is past the point of childish innocence. Her mother abused her due to being the only one who looked like her father, who had left the toxic relationship cause of how horrible the mother was. Despite coming back for her multiple times, the father was unable to get her to come live with him. Despite this, B did not grow up in a lifestyle where taking advantage of men is looked up on. Her father is a chemistry professor and has made sure to install good values in her during the times that she stayed with him. As she became a teenager(like around 15-17), she had to decide to stay with her aunt or her father, for which she chose her aunt. In the time that she spent with her aunt, she was not groomed to be used as a sex worker. The only behavior that her aunt revealed is her own decision to marry men to gain citizenship, wealth etc. Other than that, she was treated very well in the family, after which she came back to living with her father in 2020, studied law for a year or two, and she was an excellent chemistry student at her college. After an altercation with her father, she started working in a company and she maintained her relationship with her aunt. That is when she started dating Al who introduced her to all the sexual things. She had good influence from her family members during this time. Even to the point where one of her aunts (Aunt 2) wanted her to become a nun. So clearly the only problem then was her immaturity. She was already out of her abusive home, continued her education and everything was normal except for the relationship. Al told her that he was leaving her cause of her restrictions, to which she decided to let go of the restrictions and started having sex with him, staying at his home during week days and living at her Aunt 2’s place on the weekends. Then Aunt 1 (the problematic one) found out about her relationship and took it upon herself to be a good mother and talked to the man and realized that Al is a irresponsible man who did not want to take on B’s responsibilities. She told B to leave Al because she knew Al was not a good man but B, on her own accord, rejected her aunt and decided to stay with him. After which, she stopped talking to aunt 1 for a year.
She had saved up money to start studying at the college where we met, and saved up enough money to rent her own place too, and he was planning to move closer too. But then Al confessed to cheating on her. Then they broke up, after which, she met T. T was a nice guy at first but she believes that he only liked her because he thought she had money. But to her, T was just a rebound for her ex, because “it felt good to have someone to talk to after having your heart broken” (literally quoting her). She confessed that she still had feelings for her ex, and obviously T was hurt. Then T had to leave for some training, at which time, Al returned for a second chance. And still having feelings for him, B decided to give him a second chance. Obviously T was hurt, but Al left her anyway because she was emotionally fighting between wanting both men. So T and B got back together, but that was short lived because T was hiding another woman who he was sleeping with. Then she met me.
Her aunt and she started talking when she started college again. That was almost the same time that we met. She was desperate to talk to her and she missed her. She told her that there was a man who was looking for a young girl for sex. But the aunt told her that she gave her sister’s number to the man instead. But she already had a child so the man wanted B instead. B did not question anything. Aunt 2 started sending the money, which B told me and I warned her that this was not normal. Her job was becoming more of a pain because her manager wanted to sleep with her too. But due to the new source of income, she did not give in. And in December she went to the aunt, slept with the man, returned and got fired from her job.
“But she has had this aunt/ family in her life who instilled some other assumptions, such as using sex as a tool, disrespecting one own’s body, that it’s okay for an aunt to prostitute her niece.” Basically, I told you her history to show that her aunt did not get enough time to install the assumption that sex should be used as a tool, and about disrespecting her own body nor that its okay for her aunt to prostitute her niece. In fact her own aunt had been the one protecting her from being taken advantage of by men, but that effect was still not strong enough for her to grow an attachment to her aunt in that manner.
“Statistically, young people are more impulsive” Yes you are right. That is exactly what happened here. Her own immaturity caused her to be in this position.
“There is no reason for me to believe it was the only incident of prostitution that took place” Based on the history she has told me, there was no room for more actual prostitution to have occurred, so we have to assume that this was the first time she was put in that state, other than being used for sex by Al.
“She needs psychological- emotional help” Yes, I already considered this and it is obvious that she was suffering from the trauma. But now that trauma is also mine. How can I help to heal her when her own actions created my own trauma? How can I help remove the splinter in her eye when I have a log in my own, which she technically put? But despite that, I put aside my own suffering, and tried to help her as much as I could. For the last 3 months, I shut down my own pain and loved her as much as I could, but the severity of the issue was eating me from the inside. I have already seen both sides of the situation. I have seen the bigger picture, but that is not going to change the fact that this all happened cause of her own poor decision making. If she had just trusted me, her aunt would not have had the opportunity to take advantage of her.
B is not the type of person to let her own suffering lead her away from the right path. She was abused by her mother, so she knows pain and for that exact reason, she vowed to become a better woman than her mother. Her mental health issues are actually the lack of maturity, and not having people to guide her properly.
“A man who paid money to her aunt so to have sex with her niece… where is the respect there? Did the aunt respect B when she arranged for that transaction? Did the sexual predator… did he respect B? How about love, where was the love? You expect respect and love from a woman who was shown the opposite of love and respect” Do not misunderstand, I have already considered her situation in this matter. It is true that her aunt nor the man respected her. But what did I do to deserve this? I had been the only one guiding her, helping her with her decision making, loving her properly, supporting her in building a good future, always remaining by her side despite the issues she faced, respecting her, teaching her the value of her own body. I had been the one doing all of this. So why did I deserve to be betrayed in this manner when all I have been doing was to help her heal from all her past relationships and abuse? You think I did not recognize her pain? Do you really think that I am so narrow minded that I would only think of my pain and not hers?
“How about love, where was the love? You expect respect and love from a young woman who was shown the opposite of love and respect” Yes she did not receive respect and love from her family, but I gave that to her. I gave her real love. I gave her real respect. Was my love and respect not good enough for her to give love and respect to me? I offered to continue to be her friend, but now she is asking for couples counseling to deal with the matter, which I have decided to go along with, and she has made it clear that she wants to continue having sex, which I have already rejected. I have already sworn that I would not continue until after marriage.
“Her future life partner is not yet known, and there may not be one. She doesn’t yet have a life partner, but she’s had a aunt in her life for two decades.” False. Though we are a young ‘immature’ couple, we had already started making plans to ensure that we would get married and we would be the life partner for each other. Unfortunately this happened before the plan could be finalized. And she only had a connection with her aunt for 3-4 years, and even then, the influence was far too weak because she did not live with her aunt for long nor maintained communication long enough for the aunt to influence her drastically.
“Your anger is directed at the women.. not at the men?” Again False, my anger is directed to the persons who caused this entire situation: B, Aunt 2, and the man. My first instinctive response was to go after the man, which B discouraged, but then I redirected my anger to the aunt, who should be held accountable for being the main cause of the situation. I even went as far as tracking down her aunt, her job, her children (especially her daughter) before I changed my mind cause of how pointless it is. The aunt’s children does not need to suffer for the things the aunt did. But even then it would be pointless as no amount of pain or suffering would knock sense into a woman like that. But despite that, I cannot ignore B’s part in all of this. She chose to hide and lie about the matter. She chose to make all the wrong decisions. She had all the opportunities to get herself out of the situation, which she told me she was well aware of, yet she still chose to go along with it. That is not something I can forgive and forget.
You are right about some men being sexual predators, but I was specifically referring to the matter at hand in my example.
Please tell me why you disagree with B being the bad one and I being the good one? Because you think I do not see the bigger picture? Because you think I do not see her suffering? Was I not understanding enough? I am not trying to paint B as a bad woman, as I keep reminding you that she is actually a good wife over all but that does not change how foolish she was in putting herself in that situation INTENTIONALLY, when I was constantly trying to pull her back from falling into these traps? Am I not in the right when she was the one who rejected my advice? I may have flaws but am I not in the right regarding this specific matter? I am the one who removed sex from the equation after understanding the severity of the issue. I am the one who had been trying to help her heal while my own scars were fresh and open to infection. I only got to this state because that wound has become severely inflamed.
“You want her to change.. but can you change yourself: to endure your pain and anger, and commit to be part of the solution, not part of the problem, that is, to commit yourself to love, not to hate?” DO YOU NOT GET IT? I AM THE ONE WHO IS STILL IN LOVE WITH HER DESPITE EVERYTHING THAT SHE HAS DONE. I AM HERE RANTING ALL THIS BECAUSE I AM SEARCHING FOR AN EXCUSE, A LOGICAL REASON MY MIND CAN ACCEPT, TO FORGIVE HER AND TAKE HER BACK. I AM THE ONE WHO TRIED CHANGING FOR HER. I AM THE ONE WHO ENDURED THE PAIN AND ANGER UNTIL IT BECAME UNBEARABLE. I AM THE ONE WHO WAS COMMITTED TO HELPING HER HEAL BEFORE MY OWN PAIN AND SUFFERING BECAME TOO MUCH TO HANDLE EVEN FOR ME. I ONLY LEFT HER AFTER SHE REPEATED THE SAME STUPID BEHAVIOR AGAIN. SHE ENTERTAINED ANOTHER MAN, FULLY AWARE THAT I HATED IT. A RELATIONSHIP WOULD NOT LAST IF ONLY ONE PERSON IS WILLING TO CHANGE. I WAS WILLING TO CHANGE FROM THE VERY START. I WAS WILLING TO TOLERATE THIS BEHAVIOR FROM THE VERY START BEFORE I REALIZED THAT TOLERATING IT IS NOT GOOD AT ALL.
Its stupid because she slept with the man after we broke up cause of my parents’ belief that she would sleep with another man. We literally broke up cause of the fear of her cheating and that is exactly what she did after we broke up.
“You see yourself as a very loyal, caring man to her, but you are also a very angry man, angry at her. You shouldn’t try and be in a loving, romantic and sexual relationship with a woman you hate.” Yes I am angry. I can be a very loyal, caring man while also being angry, because my anger is justified. I do not hate her. I hate the things she did. I hate her stupidity. I hate being taken advantage of. I hate that my loyalty and care is rewarded with pain. I hate the feeling of helplessness. I hate knowing that all of this could have been prevented if she had just told me the truth. I hate knowing that this could have been avoided if she had taken the many opportunities she had to not sleep with that man. What I feel is disgust. Disgust knowing that the person in front of me willingly put herself in the situation to be used by that man. She was already aware of what was going to happen DAYS BEFORE it happened. She had time to prepare. Time to think. Time to decide. Yet she still chose wrong.
Like I said, talking to you has organized my thoughts and I am trying to ensure this break up is permanent and I am still offering to be her friend, but she wants me to go to counseling with her and give her another chance.
Paradoxy
March 21, 2024 at 9:42 pm in reply to: Should a “Cheating” Girlfriend be forgiven over a technicality? #428898ParadoxMusicParticipantDear anita,
I appreciate everything you have said. Summarizing all the events helped me organize my own thoughts as well and I must really thank you for it. As it is my first ever relationship, I forgave the general “stupid” things she did because I felt they were normal overthinking and misunderstanding that females tend to go through. So I forgave her for the things she did, that is why I continued to take her back every time she behaved in a “stupid” manner.
“All this so far quite intense, but still in the parameters of teenagers/ very young people in love.” You are right about the incidents that happened in the first couple months could be considered teenager/young people issues that are quite normal. But don’t you think we should be trying to behave like proper adults? Everyone knows that few of the most important rules in a relationship is to not cheat, not hide things, and not to lie to their partner. The first incident of “cheating” happened when she was naked with only a towel wrapped around her while her ex removed her braids. I was already uncomfortable knowing that she had relationships with a few men over the year and slept with multiple men before. And she was well aware of that. But knowing how humans are, I understood that in each relationship she probably assumed that her partner then would be the person she would spend the rest of her life with and so it doesn’t matter if she slept with him before marriage, so I forgave her for her past, because what she did is understandable. However, I think it’s quite disrespectful that she spent a day with her ex partially nude right after we broke up. Anita, how would you feel if you and your partner broke up and the next day he went right back to his ex? And how would you feel if you found out that this happened, but your partner tried to hide it from you first before confessing? Isn’t that a red flag? Doesn’t that mean your partner would probably hide other things from you as well? And how would you feel, knowing that there is a possibility that your partner slept with his ex but denies sleeping with them to you? He probably didn’t sleep with her, but knowing that they were both partially naked, can you really rule out that possibility considering what your partner already tried to hide? I don’t think this kind of behavior is a young people issue cause even adults way older than me have had these kinds of experiences with their partner.
Anita, I understand that what she went through was one hell of a traumatic experience for her. I totally understand that. But knowing what she has done before, it’s hard to ignore the possibility that she is hiding certain details to make it seem like she was manipulated and raped. She already admitted to me that in her previous relationship (with the ex that lives with her which we can call T), she was using the guy as a rebound after her breakup with the guy before him. She admitted that the guy before him (who we can call Al) was the one who taught her everything sexual related, and that means they have done a lot of sexual pleasurable things that she enjoyed but Al also cheated on her so she broke up with him, and then used T as a rebound. So with those things in mind, it is very hard for me to ignore the possibility that she intentionally chose to go along with her aunt’s plan as a rebound after our break up. Maybe she wanted a sexual release as a coping method to dealing with our break up. But it goes back to what I stated in the previous paragraph: how would you feel if your partner slept with another person right after you break up with them? I believe that is utter disrespect. That kind of behavior indicates that she never loved me that much anyway. If she was able to easily move on to the next man, I think it is reasonable to believe that she never loved me properly.
“It is very difficult for a child to see a parent or a parent figure as a bad, horrible person.” Ma’am, this is a 22 year old woman. She is a full grown adult, who has already experienced the pain of being cheated on, and is capable of making their own decisions. She was already aware that going along with her aunt’s plan is extremely wrong, and she still went along with it. Yes you stated that she probably felt indebted to her aunt for taking care of her. But do you think her loyalty to her aunt is more important than her loyalty to her own future life partner who has PROVEN IT IN HIS ACTIONS THAT EVERYTHING HE DID FOR HER WAS OUT OF THE PURE LOVE THAT HE HAD FOR HER? A LIFE PARTNER WHO HAD PROVEN COUNTLESS TIMES THAT HE IS A MAN OF GOD AND ONLY MAKES WISE DECISIONS THAT ONLY BENEFITS HER. Do not forget that I KNEW SOMETHING WAS WRONG AND I WARNED HER!!!!! I warned her that something was wrong about the way her aunt was giving her so much money without expecting nothing in return. And the other thing is that the woman has a daughter of her own who is literally the same age as B. She would not have sold off her own daughter. She chose to sell my girlfriend. B knew what was going to happen and she still went along with it. How can any man bear that? How can any husband, father, or brother bear the pain of knowing that their wife, daughter or sister was sold off by a relative for sex work? And the next day we got back together and we went to the movies like nothing ever happened. I met her aunt and family too and they all pretended like nothing happened. The overwhelming grief of being lied to and the feeling of helplessness, knowing I was not able to protect the woman that I loved so dearly is too much for me. But I thought like you said, and I decided to forgive her for everything she did. But knowing what happened, the severity of the issue, has been eating me from the inside ever since I found out what happened. She lied to me for a year anita. She could be lying about some of the specifics too, I would never know. She continued talking to the man bruh. She continued texting him, to the point that she admitted that she developed feelings for that man, WHILE IN RELATIONSHIP WITH ME. How can I bear this pain? How can I ever get over this? Of this feeling of taking advantage of. Knowing that you poured your heart and soul into this relationship, only for your partner to do this behind your back? I have studied enough psychology over the years to know that her feelings for the man may be a result of Stockholm syndrome, where the person becomes attached to their abuser. But it is hard to ignore all the other possibilities. And knowing that I am probably being manipulated by her is also eating me up. She had all the opportunities to tell me what happened. Instead, she chose to hide it for a year, making me believe everything was normal for an entire year. If she had just told me, I would have helped her through the trauma, but choosing to hide the incident has opened up a lot of questions and doubts regarding whether she can be trusted and about the possibility that it is all a lie.
Months before she confessed what she did, there was another incident with another man, which I forgot to mention earlier. There was another man who was interested in her, a classmate of mine to be precise, and he was not aware that we were dating. And whenever he made his advances on her, she always pushed it aside like it was a small thing. I told her to let him know that we were dating but she said it was unnecessary. Then couple weeks later, right after we had broken up over another fight, I checked her phone when I went over to collect my belongings and noticed that the classmate texted her about the sexual things that he wanted to do to her, and she went along with it, behaving as if she enjoyed it and wanted to experience those sexual things. I was livid when I found out. Can you see what is happening anita? Its literally a pattern. EVERY TIME WE BROKE UP, SHE WENT TO GO ENTERTAIN ANOTHER MAN. LIKE HOW COULD I BE SO STUPID TO GIVE HER ANOTHER CHANCE? AND I DID. MY STUPID SELF FORGAVE HER THEN AND GAVE HER ANOTHER CHANCE. THIS IS PURE STUPIDITY. You really cannot tell me that she is not doing this pattern intentionally. There is no way in hell that she did not do this intentionally. This adds more doubt to her confession about her being taken advantage of by her aunt. She could easily be lying. There is no possible excuse you could come up with after you see this consistent pattern, no excuse to convince me to forgive her. The word stupid is not even close enough to describe the severity of her actions. No matter what hard lifestyle she had, I should not have to be forced to put up with this kind of behavior from a woman who knows better. It is not fair that I am being a very loyal, caring man to her, ensuring that no woman could make any advances on me, only for her to be treating me like this.
I offered to be a friend and not her boyfriend to help her heal and move on with life, but she rejected it saying that she wants me to continue being her boyfriend and she does not want to be just a friend as she still has feelings for me. My undying feelings for her makes me want to give her another chance, but remembering everything she has done makes me not want to. She got enough chances already. I need to have some self respect. What do you think? Should I give her another chance? I always believed that everyone deserves another chance, and as someone who knows the value of a second chance, I am tempted to give it to her, but this experience has completely changed my mind.
Paradoxy
March 20, 2024 at 3:22 pm in reply to: Should a “Cheating” Girlfriend be forgiven over a technicality? #428828ParadoxMusicParticipantHi Roberta,
Thank you for your advice. but I still feel like she is in the gray lines between Red flag and Neutral flag. Though her actions may be out of stupidity but should I really blame her for what her own family put her through? She said that she hid it from me for a year because she was healing from the trauma herself. But the thing she forgot was that as her future husband, I would have done anything I could to help her heal and it would have been easier for me to heal as well because at least I know I can trust her. But hiding it has made me question what else she is lying about or hiding. Besides, I cannot be blind to all the good things about her. The way she took care of me was on par with my own mother. Cooking for me, getting me facial hygiene products, taking care of my hair, giving me massages and etc. Of course I treated her well to the best of my ability too. I stood by her in all of her struggles, helping her through her classes and helping her financially. As a med student, I don’t have time to go work a part time job so all i have is the money i saved up working over the years of my youth so I would even starve myself to ensure that she does not starve. I also noticed that despite all of this happening, she did not cut her ties with her aunt until she confessed what happened to me. Did it not register in her head what a horrible person her aunt is? Is she still that stupid? Her parents did not take care of her well and so it was her aunt who actually took care of her so that would explain why she is so stupid. But even then, I always told her that if she is unsure, she could ask me for any advice as my father’s wisdom was passed down to me over the years that he taught me.
I am not the type to let my one experience cause me to direct the hate to someone else. If I ever decide to go into another relationship, I will still continue to be a loyal and caring boyfriend, but I really don’t feel like going through this drama again. My father taught me to love one person and only one person. I grew up with that belief. Now its very difficult for me to detach myself, especially knowing all the good things about her, I know that it is very difficult to find someone like her again, despite all the red flags. The women these days are becoming more entitled and feministic. They are not wife material (I am speaking generally so no offense to any female reading this). And the same applies to the men too as they are becoming more of an ass (forgive my language). She was a good companion to me, but the decisions she made of her own stupidity is deteriorating my mental health. I have not slept properly in months. Should I give her another chance? She says that she understands her mistakes, especially the one where she would not listen to me because her own friends started behaving to her the same way that she behaved to me so she basically got hit by karma and she is promising to change. Idk what to do. I want what is best for her but I do not think I can ever go back to being a normal relationship with her and that will cause us to divorce if we ever get married, which I do not want. She says I will heal from the trauma of what she did but I don’t see any progress.
I admit that our relationship started too quickly but she proved that she was wife material (excluding her stupid antics). All her previous boyfriends treated her poorly anyway as they all cheated on her, so I was the first boyfriend to treat her properly. But its amazing how someone who has experienced the pain of being cheated on be able to do the cheating and hurt someone else.
March 20, 2024 at 2:57 pm in reply to: Should a “Cheating” Girlfriend be forgiven over a technicality? #428824ParadoxMusicParticipantHi anita,
Yes I definitely remember you and I appreciate all the advice that you gave me back then. I can’t believe I have the honor of meeting you again, especially after almost 4 years.
ParadoxMusicParticipantThank you Anita.
ParadoxMusicParticipantAnita, I do the exact same thing as you: daydream when I listen to music. But more importantly, I have decided to make a remix and call it Moon and Star to depict my feelings. Wish me good luck.
ParadoxMusicParticipantAnita, my music skills are starting to lose value and I lack the time to work on a song besides, my parents would not allow me to. As a 10th grade student, I have a lot of work to do for my exams. But I like your suggestion, but instead of making a song, I listen to songs… songs that take away my hope. I prefer it more for some reason. Don’t ask me why.
Peter, I appreciate your advice and you are right. However, what I want, is to get rid of this feeling of love. It ruined my friendship with the girl. But amazingly, she was ok and she understood. So we continued our friendship. The fact that she understood made me love her even more! And it is annoying. I wish to stop loving. If I love again, I feel like more like an idiot and a fool.
ParadoxMusicParticipantI guess my only option is to stop going after her. But I can’t seem to find a way to stop hoping that she would change her mind.
ParadoxMusicParticipantThank you for answering, Melinda.
I made this thread quite a while ago and no one had answered so I had actually given up on this thread. Unfortunately, things have changed from the day I created this thread.
Firstly, I got rejected by the girl. It so happened that my friend had told her that I liked her and she was worried. But I never told her. Eventually, I couldn’t keep this up and I decided to tell her that I liked someone else and that I needed her advice. It was a scheme to figure out what she was going to say if I confessed my love for her. Turns out, her answer would have been a no if I confessed. So I didn’t tell her who I liked or that I liked her. But she asked me if the girl I liked was her and I had to lie so our friendship would not be awkward; I told her that it was not her. At this, she became very happy and I was heartbroken. (This was how I managed to confirm my theory that she would have rejected me if I asked her.) But she kept pestering me to tell her who it was. But I refused to tell her, for the sake of our friendship. Then she said that she hated me. I was depressed to hear this so I confessed to her yesterday. I also told her that I knew what her answer was. And I couldn’t help but sense an aura from her that she wanted me to leave. I was even more depressed than before, after seeing that she was not happy. Today, she told me she wanted to talk to me. She told me, “I am flattered that you like me, but I have never imagined you more than a friend.” I understood her and told her she didn’t need to tell me that since I already knew. But deep inside I was very heartbroken and it took nearly all my strength to stop my tears. (Don’t judge me; I know that it is stupid to cry just cause a girl rejected me but I’ve never been cared for by another person before, including my parents and my sister. However, I never stopped loving my family and helping people. And I only wanted someone to like me as I like them too.)
Anyway, she also told me to promise her that I wouldn’t be suicidal… It so happened that after my first rejection by the Egyptian girl, I built stuff to cope with the misery and loneliness and sadness I felt. And one of the things I built was a pressurized energy vessel. To put it in simpler terms: a bomb. It was a container that kept heated particles created from the massive pressure used to compress the particles in the form of energy. There was a miscalculation in the build-up of energy; it created too much energy and it blew up and the shrapnel pierced my arm. I had to go to school with a bandaged arm for a couple of months and there was a rumor that I tried to commit suicide due to my rejection, which I was not initially made aware of. So I was told to not be suicidal.
Now to answer your suggestions, I am a part of various clubs at my school and I am bad at making friends. I always hang out by myself alone and I don’t have anything to do other than study. And yes I have composed a couple of songs before on the piano but I never publicized them. I have only played it for my music teacher who recorded it on his music software but it was left incomplete. Due to the lack of software, I was left to make song remixes which I posted on Youtube. But now I do not have the time to work on songs now that I am in grade 10. I also listen to music when I study or I find free time. The music actually controls my emotions. If I listen to my favorite inspirational music, I would end up being very confident and energetic and do some of the stupidest but brave things such as creating the website for the Egyptian girl. Other times I would listen to my favorite sad music that makes me cry and reflects my mood of depression and loneliness.
I also feel that you are right about the fact that people who do not communicate with me regularly is a waste of time and energy. But its not like there are others who actually have the guts to communicate with me regularly either. Not only that, the girl I like, is not the type you can take on dates. What I mean is that she would instantly say that she doesn’t like me if I asked her out. Asking her out on a date will be similar to confessing my love to her. Besides she would have said that she didn’t want to go on a date with me. She is always busy with school work or hanging out with her own friends. She is also part of the school play so she spends most of her time practicing. Anyway, I understand the point you are trying to make.
Also, I realized that accepting my emotions have caused more problems than solutions. By accepting my love for the girl made our friendship awkward. But what is worse is that due to the emotion of love, I lost my only friend and now I am all alone and I am getting this weird feeling of negative energy which I’ve grown to like. But I am slowly dying due to this energy but I feel that it is better to be dead and peaceful than to be alive and suffering. And I know you think I am wrong. But I am devastated from the turn of events.
Lastly, I know that this website is not made for medical or psychiatric treatment but I’ve read stories and I’ve noticed that the suggestions made by others are very useful.
I apologize that my reply is so long.
And thanks again Melinda.
P.S. People actually tend to hate me more after telling them my story….
March 9, 2020 at 1:35 pm in reply to: I've been having this feeling for a long time. Continued… #342498ParadoxMusicParticipantOk, Anita. Thank you for the advice. I can try to change my ways but I do not think watching horror movies affect my personality that much since I barely watch any. And I always watch the movies alone in the night so no one really knows how I react at the gory scenes. And I tried seeking counseling but I could not find the solution that I wanted. That is why I tried to find the solution online. But Thank you.
March 8, 2020 at 6:09 am in reply to: I've been having this feeling for a long time. Continued… #342218ParadoxMusicParticipantI laugh at gory deaths cause I think it’s funny how the person dies (For example: In the movie Final Destination 2, I laughed when I saw a girl being shot to death through the head with a nail gun by accident). You see, with this attitude I’m never going to make friends so I need help figuring out another way I could keep this personality hidden or change it so others are not creeped out and I need help to make friends. Like I said, my cooperation skills have flopped and I’m always alone when the class is doing pair or group work. I end up doing everything myself since no one wants to work with me. And everyday, I am finding it harder to understand emotions but I can understand numbers better than emotions!
-
AuthorPosts