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PeterParticipantCounter-Challenge:
Take a moment with this koan, no need to overthink, just let the words settle and see what comes up:A monk asked the master, āFrom where does the path arise?ā
The master replied, āFrom the source, like a river from the mountain.ā
The monk pressed further, āThen may I walk back to the mountain?ā
The master shook his head: āWhen the river flows, it does not climb. The mountain is not behind you; it is beneath your every step.āThen, write a short story of what a day in flow might look like for you. After that, reflect on why you doubt its possibility.
Thereās no right or wrong answer.
PeterParticipantAnd because I’m me š a reflection and story
When I first began dancing, there were moments when the music carried me, no counting, no measuring, only flow. A quiet noticing. These moments came by accident, before I knew the steps, before the mind whispered, āLet meā¦ā
Later, as lessons multiplied, I chased the flow by trying to perform correctly, and the experience of flow vanished. Until one night, weary and forgetting myself, the dance remembered me. The steps and rhythm had always been in the music; I only needed to step aside. And then, of course, the mind returned: āLet meā¦ā
The dance feels like a circle of remembering, arriving, and forgetting⦠until perhaps, forgetting itself becomes arrival?
I hear the value of words and quantification, yet as I age, Iām drawn to the moment when it dissolves into fulfillment, when love is the ground and the steps remember themselves.
I wonder if what feels like a secret teaching is simply resistance to a subtle truth: one must step off the raft before reaching the shore. The Dharma carries us across, yet clinging to it keeps our feet from touching the ground. The secret is not hidden; it is only hard for a self to trust, so the mind insists: āLet meā¦
A Day in Flow – (need it be a dream?
Morning light spills across the kitchen table. Peter pours tea, not hurried, not slow, just present. The steam curls upward, and he watches it dissolve, smiling at how it mirrors his own thoughts. No need to chase them, no need to hold them.On his walk to work, he notices the crunch of snow beneath his boots. A child slips, then laughs, and he laughs too, because the joy is contagious. He doesnāt think, I should be kind, he simply bends to help, and the gesture feels as natural as breathing.
At the office, emails pile up, but he doesnāt feel trapped. He answers what he can, then lets the rest wait. A colleague comes in tense, words sharp, but Peter listens without defense. Something in his quiet presence softens the room. The colleague exhales, as if remembering themselves.
Evening arrives. He cooks a simple meal, humming to the rhythm of the knife against the cutting board. Later, he sits by the window, watching the sky fade into indigo. No grand revelation, no fireworks, just the steady pulse of life, already whole.
He laughs softly, remembering: We work for that which no work is required. And the day folds into night, the dance continues without his effort, carrying him gently along.
PeterParticipantHi Anita,
A challenge accepted šFirst, I donāt feel Thomas and James are really disagreeing. The words make it seem that way, but underneath, theyāre pointing to the same thing.
So, simply put:
– The labels and ideas that used to interest me donāt feel as important now. Theyāre helpful for learning, but once youāve learned what you need, you can let them go.
– Put another way: When something becomes clear, when you really know it, you donāt need to ābelieveā it anymore. You can live it.I also feel we often hold on to words because the self feels it needs them for control. Thatās where I feel the self is lying to itself, and a part of it always knows it lying.
Iāll add this: letting go of words feels like something that is intended for later in life…
Does that make sense?
PeterParticipantHi everyone
I wonder if all these labels are simply the mind insisting on complexity, a restless attempt to weave patterns where simplicity already breathes. It forgets the subtle truth: the raft must be left behind before the shore can be touched.
Then I wonder, does the mind truly forget, or does the self know, deep down, that stepping off the raft would resolve the questions… only to find such a step too frightening?
For a lifetime I have lived in thought, circling the same waters, repeating the same motions. And know I’m surprised to admit that these games of the self interest me less and less.
The student asked, āIs the shore reached by words?ā
The master replied, āWords are the raft.ā
The student pressed, āThen must I carry them forever?ā
The master said, āStep off before you arrive, or you will never stand.ā
PeterParticipantHi Everyone. The exchange reminded me of a kaon I’ve been playing with:
A monk asked the master, āFrom where does the path arise?ā
The master replied, āFrom the source, like a river from the mountain.ā
The monk pressed further, āThen may I walk back to the mountain?ā
The master shook his head: āWhen the river flows, it does not climb. The mountain is not behind you, It is beneath your every step.
PeterParticipantJames, your words and question remind me of a Sufi story.
There is a legend that God formed a statue of clay in His image and asked the soul to enter it. The soul, being free and unbounded, refused to be imprisoned. Then God commanded the angels to play music, and in ecstasy the soul entered the body so that it might experience the music more clearly.
āPeople say that the soul, on hearing that song, entered the body; but in reality the soul itself was song.ā- Hafiz
The soul refused clay.
The angels sang.
The soul entered.
It was not bound.
It was music.
PeterParticipantThanks, Anita. I appreciate the way you noticed that shift.
Over time, the word love began to feel heavy for me. It carries so many expectations, hopes, and associations that we end up confining it with definitions… a subtle, unskillful tendency I feel, to own and shape it into our image. In that sense, love becomes limiting, a veil, as James notes.
Awareness, on the other hand, feels lighter. When I stay present with what arises and passes, compassion shows up naturally. And from that compassion emerges a kind of love that doesnāt need to be named… something quieter, less demanding, more like being present to lifeās unfolding rhythm.
So I wouldnāt say I replaced love with awareness. Itās more that awareness revealed a love that doesnāt have to be spoken about, because itās already there in the way we breathe and live.
Perhaps I can say it more simply: As words fade, awareness uncovers what was always present.. a compassion, and a love beyond naming.
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Thanks Anita – Perhaps the nicest thing anyone has ever said about me.
Have a great Thanksgiving weekend.
PeterParticipantHi Alessa, and again apologies for the mix-up in the other thread.
I really like the questions youāre raising, theyāre ones Iāve wrestled with myself, so Iād love to share a few thoughts.
Does it matter if we pass willingly or not?
When I think of āGodā as a verb, the word Flow comes to mind. We can resist what is, or we can lean into it with a kind of healthy detachment, engaged but not clinging to results as we would desire or will. To me, thatās why it matters: willingness helps us move with life instead of against it, and that can spare us a lot of unnecessary suffering.Godās will happens all the same. Does it matter what we believe?
Iād say yes, but maybe not in the usual way. Krishnamurti once said, āThe constant assertion of belief is an indication of fear.ā That really struck me. Belief can bind and divide, and when we cling to it, it often comes from fear rather than freedom. So if weāre going to hold beliefs, they matter… but maybe the deeper invitation is to live without clinging to belief at all, to simply be present. I once asked myself what it would mean to live what I believe. Today I would answer: Iād stop ābelievingā and live ā present – to life.And as you said: Weāre all part of Godās will, whether we believe it or not. We come from the same source, and we return to it… as a unfolding.
Happy Thanksgiving!
PeterParticipantLOL – I think I need new glasses. Apologies Alissa
Anita, I think we both answer the question in James thread.
PeterParticipantWatching the news this morning I’ve found myself revisiting a old thread as old thoughts of disappointment arose.
Almost Ten years latter a different response.A Reflection on Cycles and Awareness
We live in patterns. As individuals, we repeat habits of fear and reaction. As societies, we fall into cycles of division, conflict, and forgetting. After catastrophe we say ānever again,ā but memory fades, and the old ways return.The danger is mechanical living and reacting without awareness, repeating without questioning. Fear drives us to create the very outcomes we dread. Nations build walls against instability, only to provoke unrest. People withdraw from others out of fear of rejection, only to end up alone. Our actions re-enforcing the fear we seek to escape.
There is another path. When we notice these patterns as they arise, without judgment or escape, we begin to loosen their grip. Awareness itself is transformative. It allows us to live with clarity instead of habit, presence instead of fear.
The challenge is whether we can sustain awareness before disaster forces us to remember. If we can, then both our personal lives and our societies might break free from cycles that seem inevitable.
Fear repeats the past; awareness opens the door to what has never been…. a “hope” with eyes open.
PeterParticipantHi Anita
All is well and I hope your still dancing.I appreciate how you let associations arise and follow them, itās often where the most meaningful insights come from.
Reading your post reminded me of a question I’ve asked before: What would it be like to actually live what one says they believe?
The answer that arises of late was that I would stop believing altogether. To live it fully would mean no longer holding onto belief as an idea, but simply being in the flow of what is. Perhaps a Krishnamurti influence…
PeterParticipantHi James I hear what youāre saying. For me, I suspect many will find the words God and He problematic as suggesting a ‘Noun’… which might not be a issue for those acquainted with Paramhansa Yogananda.
I might put it this way: if the Source, the reality from which everything arises and to which everything eventually returns, were to call me home, Iād go without hesitation. I wouldnāt cling to obligations or plans, because the unfolding of the world isnāt mine to manage. Itās carried by that greater Truth, the Source itself. My part is simply to listen and respond.
PeterParticipantHi everyone – Revesting past thoughts mirrored in Lao Tzu – 14 Mystery
Look at it: nothing to see. Call it colorless.
Listen to it: nothing to hear.
Call it soundless.
Reach for it: nothing to hold.
Call it intangible.
Triply undifferentiated, it merges into oneness, not bright above, not dark below.
Never, oh! Never can it be named.
It reverts, it returns to unbeing.
Call it the form of the unformed, the image of no image.
Call it unthinkable thought.
Face it: no face. Follow it: no end.
Holding fast to the old Way, we can live in the present.
Mindful of the ancient beginnings, we hold the thread of the Tao.Though empty the canvas contains everything that was and will be painted on it, yet it remains empty. Similarly, the idea that ‘Aum’ is the sound of all words that have and will be spoken yet is its surrounded by silence from which it arises and returns.
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Look upon the canvas: empty, yet infinite. Every color, every form, every story already rests within its silent ground. Though nothing is painted, all paintings are painted. Though nothing is held, all is embraced. This is the form of the unformed, the image of no image.Listen to the silence: from it arises Aum. Within its vibration, all words are contained, every cry of birth, every sigh of death, every song of joy, every whisper of sorrow. Yet Aum dissolves back into silence, reminding us that sound is born of stillness, and stillness is the eternal ground.
Where nothing is born and nothing dies, there is no loss, no gain, no striving. All is held in the embrace of silence, all is sustained in the stillness of the Way. āNot bright above, not dark belowā, beyond naming, beyond grasping, the Tao flows unseen, yet ever-present.
To walk this Way is not to cling, but to release. Not to demand life be other than it is, but to rest in its unfolding. Holding fast to the timeless thread, we live – āPresentā – mindful of beginnings that have no beginning, and endings that return to the same stillness.The canvas remains. The silence remains. The Tao remains.
Empty, yet full. Silent, yet resounding. Unseen, yet embracing all.Song of the Sparrow
[color=blue]A sparrow lifts on morning air, its wings brush silence everywhere.
No canvas marks the sky with line, yet all horizons still are mine.The empty holds, the full is near, a song of nothing, yet all I hear.
From silence rises sound and word, from stillness every breath is stirred.No birth, no death, the Tao remains, beyond all losses, beyond all gains.
The sparrow knows the thread unseen, the timeless Way, both old and green.I do not veil the endless blue, nor bind the wind that carries through.
Your chains are not of earth or sky, but of a self that asks ānot I.āAwake! Awake! The silence sings, the canvas waits for all it brings.
The gate is open, clear and true, the hidden path is simply you.
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PeterParticipantHi Anita,
I do recall the movie and love when these unexpected associations appear.The other day I read: āNothing is as old as the truth, and nothing is as new as the truth.ā
It feels as though life is reminding us that weāve always known the truth, we just don’t always remember or pay attention. -
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