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April 16, 2021 at 7:06 am in reply to: Confused whether I was actually lead on by my closest guy friend #377860TeeParticipant
Dear Ishita,
you said he sometimes used to just listen to you when you were upset about him, and didn’t say anything:
Whenever I used to bring these things to his notice, he either used to keep defending himself with baseless reasons or trying to be âoverly technicalâ About everything(trying to show how smart he is) or when I used to really make him realise what was wrong, he would go entirely silent but never to own up and say sorry or give a rigid answer, unlike me.
There used to be times when I used to be upset for some unresolved issue of ours, and then he used to call me even though he be sleeping and I d keep telling him that we can take this up later, but it used to feel sweet how he used to not let go and listen to my take., (but eventually I realised that just listening wasnt helping, we were just wasting hours talking abt the same thing again and again because he didnt use to give me a rigid answer., just used to listen)
First, could you give an example of how he was being “overly technical”? And what was the issue that you accused him of, to which he “defended” himself just with silence?
April 16, 2021 at 5:46 am in reply to: Confused whether I was actually lead on by my closest guy friend #377852TeeParticipantDear Ishita,
Thanks for giving some examples…
So then I get this angry message from him, that u just told me u werent available , and now u are in the meeting and I was waiting for you(when I had already let him know that I wouldnt want him to wait) . So, I left the meeting and called him immediately, but he just wouldnât pick my calls at that point and neither talk to me, he was pissed for I dont know what reasons. But unresolved issues make me bothered even if it doesnât to him
Well, this incident when you couldnât come on meet (and texted him about it), after which he got offended and acted like a spoiled brat â definitely shows his immaturity. Not only then, but on multiple other occasions too, he expected you to drop everything for him, to always be available, to talk to him first before talking to anybody else – but he didnât do the same for you. It really seems he used you when he needed you to boost his mood, but I donât think he genuinely cared about you.
And youâre right that he probably knew what he was doing by leading you on, because he could see and recognize similar behavior in other guys. So heâs not that innocent and clueless as heâs portraying himself to be.
And apart from these conversations there used to be his weird expectations that I talk to him first before anyone else if I told him i will call him back or so and let him know whenever I am gng out (which is kind of what a boyfriend would say)
Actually, if heâs a narcissist, this might have even been his strategy to make you believe he cares about you. Like, I care so much, I am so possessive of you. It looked like a behavior of a jealous boyfriend, and no wonder you thought he might really have feelings for you. But it might have been actually an act…
This is what Iâve got so far, I am still thinking about the best plan of action, and whether you should confront him. Letâs wait what Anita has to sayâŚ
April 16, 2021 at 4:12 am in reply to: Confused whether I was actually lead on by my closest guy friend #377842TeeParticipantDear Ishita,
you’re welcome!
He started to become more about himself, and criticising me for smallest of things, making me feel uncomfortable.
Could you give an example of what he was criticizing about you?
Whenever I used to bring these things to his notice, he either used to keep defending himself with baseless reasons or trying to be âoverly technicalâ About everything(trying to show how smart he is) or when I used to really make him realise what was wrong, he would go entirely silent but never to own up and say sorry or give a rigid answer, unlike me.
Again, if you could give an example of a situation where you had a quarrel, and how he was trying to defend himself?
I think it’d help me get a little better picture of his character…
April 16, 2021 at 2:28 am in reply to: Confused whether I was actually lead on by my closest guy friend #377835TeeParticipantDear Ishita,
Good to read from you again! I am sorry youâre still struggling with feeling betrayed and disappointed in your friend. This is what I am noticing so far: you appear to be someone who is very cautious not to send wrong signals to male friends:
I m someone who is very particular about what kind of vibe each and everything in my life is setting in me that includes the things that I do and the people I am involved with.
And incase of a male friend I am even more careful, because I have almost always had a bad experience with getting close to a guy friend that they kind of start having feelings even though they know I dont feel that way. And then it no longer stays the same.
You are very careful not to cross boundaries and not to be misunderstood, because you had a bad experience with a male friend misinterpreting your kindness and openness, I guess, and it was uncomfortable for you. So youâre super cautious not to send the wrong vibe.
You believed he was a solid guy, you respected him a lot and looked up to him, so you thought he is similar like you and would never send wrong signals and cross boundaries unless he meant it. You believed that he shared the same values as you do in this respect, and that heâs mature enough not to lead people astray. What I am thinking is that he might be mature and responsible enough in other fields, like his studies, and supporting you in standing up for whatâs right, but it doesnât mean he has the emotional maturity and insight that you do. It appears youâre emotionally more mature than he is.
He probably felt good receiving all that attention from you, especially after his breakup, when his self-esteem was hurt, and he didnât think about the consequences. Maybe he was aware of what he was doing but didnât have the emotional maturity to stop himself from doing it.
And then it struck me, that if all of this never meant to him as crossing the friendship boundaries, did I even know this person? Was he even ever a friend or was he selfish enough to let our friendship be ruined for his personal means?
Iâd say you knew him partially, but not completely. This situation revealed that he probably lacks emotional maturity. Was he selfish? Well yes, he did what felt good to him without thinking much of the consequences. Iâm not sure though how aware he was of what he was doing to you. Thatâs why itâs good you asked him and clarified it.
This really broke me, he is one of the only two friends of mine with whom I have tried to stay in touch everyday, (the other is my bestfriend )Â and now it shatters my self esteem that I could allow someone to have this much of my attention and affect with their toxic behaviour in my life. I feel bad that i thought i could trust him with myself, that even though guys have this tendency of leading girls on, he is not one of em.
You seem to be disappointed not only in him, but also in yourself for not seeing his intentions earlier. For not seeing that he wasnât really this perfect guy you thought him to be. Well, it wasnât your fault really, because you didnât have a full picture of him earlier. You saw him as solid, reliable, responsible, kindâŚÂ because you werenât in a position to see him from this proximity. Now you had the chance, and youâre not in an illusion any more.
I donât know if heâs narcissistic â which means irreparably selfish and self-centered â or he simply needs more self-awareness and emotional maturity. Perhaps youâd need to figure that out before you decide how to proceed with him.
These are my thoughts for now, let me know what you thinkâŚ
April 15, 2021 at 11:27 pm in reply to: trying to live with unrelenting shame (maybe I should kill myself) #377832TeeParticipantDear ninibee,
you’re absolutely not wasting my time, and I don’t feel you’re spinning around in circles, and I am so glad you’re posting. I believe we all were able to understand a little better the reasons for your unrelenting shame – which most probably stem from your very early childhood, and are related to your mother not meeting your needs. They have nothing to do you with being unlikeable or repulsive or shameful. Try to understand at least that. It wasn’t your fault that your legitimate needs weren’t properly met.
I know it’s hard for you at the moment, and you’re identifying with your older self, who might have done some shameful things, but remember that it was all a reaction, a consequence of your childhood wounding. You, as a young, confused adult, were in pain, and you behaved accordingly. What Anita said a few days ago was so true, and it resonated with you: “I was mentally unwell, confused, desperate, in pain, and therefore likely to act in shameful ways. And I did.â
So try to see your shameful acts not as a reflection of your true self, but as a consequence of being in pain. And then try to see beyond them, and see in front of yourself that little adorable baby who needed to be lovingly touched and cuddled and cooed to and smiled at, and enjoyed that she exists… but she wasn’t. She was rejected. And she started to believe there’s something wrong with her, she started to feel shame, she might have even felt she was a creep, a monster… (I felt that about myself). And when we’re in so much pain, we need ways to soothe or numb ourselves, and we act out.
Please try to see it as it was, and have compassion for yourself, because none of it was your fault. And please keep posting here, you have nothing to be ashamed of, and you’ve helped me too with your sharing <3
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TeeParticipantDear lk09,
I wish I had simple lives like those friends of mine who met their partners in college and married them after college.
If we had simple lives, we wouldn’t be here on this forum đ
I read somewhere that around 50% of people in the US (elsewhere might be different) are securely attached as children, which means they later don’t have problems in creating healthy relationships, while 50% are insecurely attached (be it anxious, avoidant, or disorganized), which later creates problems in relationships. So, we belong to 50% of the population… which means there are many many people like us. Very rare are those who marry their high-school sweetheart and remain with them till the end…
I have never met anyone who cherished me like I was a prize they won.
That’s a part of the craving, I’ve tried to explain it before. You said you wanted him to not be ashamed to walk hand in hand with you and show the world that you are his. It’s your craving to be valued and affirmed that you’re special and important – which you haven’t received in your family. In your family your sister was special and important, while you were secondary, you weren’t seen, your wishes weren’t respected, you were bullied. I am thinking your sister is probably narcissistic, and has abused you, and your parents never stood to protect you, but rather, defended and excused her abusive behavior. The result is that you feel unwanted, lesser, unimportant, not special… You crave to be someone’s No1.
But even if you get it from someone, it won’t satisfy the inner craving – you need to heal the craving by accepting your own worth and specialness. And then, someone who is able to truly appreciate you and remember your birthday and make you his No1 will show up…
I donât think I know what a healthy normal relationship is like. And I am afraid.
Work on your self-esteem, learn how to value yourself, and you’ll start attracting people who truly appreciate you, not in an obsessive way (like “I can’t live without you, I am lost without you, I am no one and you give my life meaning”), but in a healthy way…
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TeeParticipantDear lk09,
Why did it have to be a person whom everyone disapproved of in my house? why did it have to be a long-distance relationship and why were things always tougher for us than other people?? this hurts a lot, these questions do.
It appears it was a long-distance relationship not just because of covid, but also because you weren’t sure it would succeed:
I was also scared that if I move into the same city as him and he breaks my heart, the city might haunt me for life.
It wasn’t just circumstances or your family who prevented you to be with him. It was the two of you, he being ambivalent and playing the push-pull game, and you being afraid to move into his city, lest you be disappointed and judged/condemned by your family. But mostly, things were hard because he was ambivalent, he wanted breaks, he told you about having interest in other women etc. It had nothing to do with long distance. Even when he came to visit you this February, and things looked promising, he later went back into his ambivalent, fearful mode, not knowing if he really wants to be with you or not.
I know it’s hard to face, but the above is why it was tougher for you than for other people. True love and dedication and commitment was missing on his part. If he wanted it to succeed, he would have done something about it – you gave him million opportunities. I am sorry if this sounds harsh, but I think it’s better to see things as they are than to seek excuses for why things didn’t work out and torturing yourself in the process…
TeeParticipantDear Ava,
you’re welcome.
In case you know more about the topic, would you mind elaborating more on the topic of people changing personality during sex?
Unfortunately I don’t know much more, just that sex involves (or should involve) intimacy. If we’ve experienced wounding and abuse in our closest relationships, i.e. with our parents, the related hurt and the need to revenge and punish the perpetrators may come up during sex. Your girlfriend might have experienced some sort of abuse, possibly sexual, and her abusive behavior towards you is the result.
Since she wants to have (abusive) sex practically all the time, it means her personality is almost completely consumed by her shadow self. Even though you might have compassion for her, and seek to understand her better, try to remove yourself from the situation in which you are exploited, as Anita also suggested.
TeeParticipantDear lk09,
I do drink quite a bit when I feel like speaking my mind out but it is only then. It is occasional.
And when you need to get drunk in order to speak your mind, that’s also when you aren’t loving and respecting yourself enough…
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TeeParticipantDear lk09,
They know I have always wanted to choose my own partner but the delay that happened in my sisterâs marriage has scared them and they are not understanding my current mental state.
Your sister had the right to make a mistake, didn’t she? She was engaged back in 2018, and then the wedding was cancelled (not sure whose fault it was though?). And she is about 33 now, right? So she received that grace and understanding from your parents. You have the right to get the same treatment…
I have tried moving on many times in the last 2.5 years, it did not work. I have consciously tried to move on, to like other people but I am unable to. That scares me a lot.
As I said before, I believe the reason is a childhood wound… there was a dynamic with him where you were his savior, his helper, he valued you and looked up to you, you helped him in his decisions, and the two of you were similar in many aspects. You could even tell him your darkest secrets, you could be completely honest with him. You thought he was “your person”, the other half you were waiting for while watching the skies…
The truth is that you were valued and appreciated and seen by him – some of the time. But you were also unappreciated and rejected by him at other times, lots of other times. Now it occurs to me that it almost reflects your childhood experience – you were loved and appreciated by your granny in your early childhood, but then you were rejected and unappreciated by your parents and sister later.
He was the promise of perfect love, where you would be loved, appreciated and valued at all times. The childhood dynamic was there: you were doing your best to get his love (you were doing that with your parents too), you were trying to help him heal so he can finally love you. You craved for love from someone who couldn’t fully love you…Â the same as in your childhood. That’s why you were so hooked, and why it’s so hard to get unhooked now.
I believe the way to heal is to learn to love, appreciate and value yourself at all times. You thought you love yourself, but when you’re accepting lesser treatment, when you need to beg for someone’s love, when you’re afraid to tell your parents not to arrange marriage for you – all those are examples when you’re not loving and respecting yourself enough. When you feel awkward during a group setting, probably feeling judged by others (you didn’t answer why you feel awkward?), you also don’t love yourself enough. If you work on loving yourself completely, your magnetic attraction to people who can’t love you completely will lessen.
April 15, 2021 at 3:05 am in reply to: trying to live with unrelenting shame (maybe I should kill myself) #377758TeeParticipantDear ninibee,
if my salad was an achievement, I not only did not want to share the news of my great achievement with her, I wanted to avoid the possibility of her seeing it or commenting on it. For a moment, I wished I had not made a salad at all.
As we talked about earlier, it might be that you felt so thoroughly rejected by her in your early childhood (which you don’t consciously remember), that you later decided to reject her thoroughly too – you felt repulsed by her (this is what you know and feel consciously). All this time you’re probably angry at her for not giving you what you needed, and on an even deeper level you’re hurt and in pain because she never gave you what you needed.
However you don’t want to show it. You show neither anger or pain, but what you do show is that you don’t care. You don’t need her attention, and if she gives you any attention, e.g. asks you about your lunch, you’re doing your best to show how completely indifferent you are, how you couldn’t care less (“I said it as boring as possible”), perhaps you even show a slight hostility and impatience that she even asked you. It’s a defense mechanism – your indifference actually hides your deeper anger at her, and beneath the anger is pain…
I believe your anger at her manifests indirectly, by you sabotaging your own life. But it’s not expressed at her directly. During healing, we first need to get in touch with our anger (in a safe, therapeutic setting), and then with our pain.
TeeParticipantDear lk09,
regarding your drunk incident, I think you should forgive yourself you kissed that guy back because you weren’t aware of what’s going on around you. At the same time, drinking to the point of passing out isn’t really helpful, so I think you’d need to look at that tendency – if it’s a tendency and not an isolated event? Do you feel more relaxed and funny at a party, if you drink?
As for confessing it immediately to your boyfriend – well, since you two were honest about everything and knew each other’s vices, then it makes sense. And I guess it didn’t harm your relationship. Sometimes though it’s not necessary to confess everything, specially if we know it will hurt the person and it was some foolishness we did once and never again.
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TeeParticipantDear Weiword,
I believe the best way for children to have a healthy attitude to life, where they feel empowered and able to go after their goals and dreams, is by proper upbringing. It starts from a very early age, where the child is loved, appreciated, seen, validated, encouraged… If so, the child will develop a healthy personality and won’t be prone to flawed beliefs and theories like pre-planned destiny and similar.
TeeParticipantDear lk09,
you left him a really loving message here, it shows you care a lot about him and his well-being. But at the same time, you’re right not to reach out again and repeat the same cycle… he needs to be willing to help himself first.
At home, nobody is asking for my consent anymore. They didnât ask if my relationship with him ended or not, they are like since the choice was between my sister and this unknown man⌠Obviously our daughter will choose her sister and so they started telling me about different boys suitable for arrange marriage.
Have you told you parents you’re not interested in an arranged marriage but want to marry out of love? In one of the previous posts you said that you kept your relationship secret from your family:
we never did even have a chance to live how normal couples do, with love and without worries of what our families would do if they knew we are still dating.
I know you were on and off, so I guess that was one of the reasons you kept it a secret. But still, perhaps there’s a part of you that is afraid to claim the right to love whomever you want. I know it’s hard in the Indian society to love freely without being obliged to your family, but perhaps it’s time to stand up for yourself and claim your right to make mistakes on your path to finding true love. It’s very rare that we immediately find our companion for life, and we’ll trip over and experience heartbreak, but it doesn’t mean our parents know better and that arranged marriage is a better solution. It’s definitely not. So perhaps stand stronger in your determination that you don’t want arranged marriage and are capable of finding the right person for yourself, even if it takes more time and some trials and errors.
Regarding you being withdrawn and uncomfortable in a larger group:
I have difficulty enjoying myself with everyone as well. It is not just that I have difficulty sharing my mind with people, I have difficulty even enjoying myself in a group. I become awkward and I notice that people avoid my company as they feel I am too serious.
It’s possible that one feels awkward in a group, and can only truly open in 1-on-1 relationships, like you can. I am also like that, being much more comfortable in the company of one, max two people. This can be partly due to your personality, where you want to connect more deeply, better understand a person, listen to him/her, and create a deeper bond. And you’re not able to do that with many people at the same time, because you’re not the kind to like superficial chit-chat and just throwing around jokes.
However, if you feel truly uncomfortable and perhaps even judged by others while in a group situation, you should look at that, because there might be a self-esteem issue there and feeling not good enough.
TeeParticipantDear lk09,
I am sorry, I feel I might have contributed to his leaving by openly asking you if that was him. But I wouldn’t feel fine communicating with him, and at the same time keeping you in the dark about his crush, since I wasn’t sure if you knew about it. And I thought you should know, because it might have explained some of his behavior, like trying to get your sister’s approval. I thought you should be privy to this information. Well, later it turned out you already know all about it, which is good. It’s good you were honest and open with each other about those kinds of things.
I actually have a lot of compassion for him and know what it means to have low self-esteem, frequent crushes and addictive behaviors. Been there, done that. I am sorry he didn’t stay here… but at least he reached out, even for a short while. I do hope he seeks professional help, or re-joins the forum, because he’s suffering now, and there’s a way to stop his suffering. I hope he chooses to help himself…
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