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Dear humour,
you are very welcome! I hope those resources will be helpful to you. If you have any questions, please write. Wishing you all the best!
TeeParticipantDear Addy,
you are very welcome, and thank you for your kind words of appreciation.
It does took time for me to start trusting them. I’m guessing I need to loosen up hard grip a bit more
I’ve just come across a video by one of my favorite psychologists, Dr. Henry Cloud, where he explains the connection between empathy and trust. He says (and I agree) that we tend to trust more, and understandably so, to people who show empathy to us, because they understand what we’re going through and aren’t judgmental but rather supportive. The video is on youtube and is titled “Using Empathy to Fuel Trust“.
It seems you had trouble trusting your girlfriends, even though they showed empathy for you. This could be because your trust was betrayed many years ago, with your mother promising to talk to your father and make him treat you better, and then failing to do it. You trusted her and she betrayed you. Also, she didn’t show real empathy for you, but expected of you to have empathy for a bully. She turned the concept of empathy on its head because we aren’t supposed to have empathy and understanding for the bully, but for the victim.
So I can see how your mother’s inappropriate reaction might have lead to you not having trust to open up to another person, and to guard your heart as much as possible, not to be attacked.
Yes so expressing this kind of negative feelings I just don’t know how to do that well, I don’t feel comfortable and I just try being more sarcastic or just sugar-coat things maybe?
In fact, the best would be if you could work through some of those emotions on your own – because they stem from your childhood wounds. If you have unresolved childhood trauma, it will pollute your relationship(s) as well.
Let’s say you get impatient and angry with your girlfriend about something. Probably it’s because there is an expectation underneath – something you expect from her, which she isn’t fulfilling. The question is a) is it a reasonable expectation, and b) have you communicated it with her? Because she might be doing something innocent, but it is triggering your childhood wound and you feel similarly like you did in your childhood, and you want it to go away. But it’s not really your girlfriend’s fault, but your own unresolved issues. That’s why I said you’d need to solve those unresolved issues first before you can engage in a relationship in a more healthy way.
That does sounds nice, But I don’t really know what kind of person I want to be with or the fact if I want deep emotional intimacy with someone just yet. I just don’t feel like ready for it?
As it seems, you’re not ready for it yet, because emotional intimacy is scary to you. This might change, but for now, it’s still scary.
I think I already did that in my childhood like not in front of my parents but l did that because I knew that it’s wrong but out of respect I wasn’t be able to tell them their mistakes
Alright, so you’re saying that you knew it was wrong, both your father’s and your mother’s behavior, already when you were a child? So you weren’t blaming yourself for your father’s verbal abuse and your mother’s blaming you if you lost your temper?
I think that even if you were a very advanced child and youth, a part of you certainly did blame yourself, and is blaming yourself to this day. How do I know that? Because your inner critic is still very active. He has soaked in and is replicating the words of your father and your mother, two outer critics.
It seems to me that you’re blaming yourself for not being successful enough professionally – which is what your inner critic adopted from your father. And you’re also blaming yourself for being emotionally weak – which is what your inner critic adopted from your mother. So you’re blaming yourself for the same things that your parents were/are blaming you.
That’s why, Addy, even if a part of you knows that they are wrong, another part still believes them… That’s because the child always blames themselves when he/she is criticized by their parents. There’s no exception to that rule. The child in you still blames himself for being not good enough and not emotionally strong enough.
You as the adult Addy would need to get in touch with that child and tell him he’s not to blame. That there’s nothing wrong with him. You, the adult Addy, need to show him love and compassion that neither of your parents showed to you as a child. You need to be a good and loving parent to that boy – that’s how you will heal those childhood wounds. As I said, best do it in therapy.
(Don’t do it to your parents’ faces). – Obviously not.
Once you heal those core wounds (e.g. the wound of not being good enough), you’ll have a different relationship with yourself. You won’t blame yourself any longer, you’ll respect yourself more. And you won’t allow your parents to treat you with disrespect either. You’ll be able to set some basic rules for communication with them, so they cannot treat you the way they have been treating you all your life.
TeeParticipantDear Addy,
thanks for asking, I am able to sleep again (a tremendous relief), so I am very happy! Now I am only experiencing a slight loss of taste and smell, but that’s not such a big deal and I hope it will get better with time.
that’s why I said I need to develop the trust first. And I do have trust issues as well so… Are you suggesting that I should be vulnerable and showing weakness with everyone? At this day and age?
When we operate under a false premise that people are out there to attack us for showing weakness, then no amount of trust will be enough. You yourself said that both of your girlfriends were supportive where you expressed some self-doubt, and yet, you haven’t started trusted them suddenly, right? You were still afraid that maybe you shared too much and that they haven’t shared that much about their own weaknesses, which might put you in an unfavorable position.
You see? Their supportive reaction didn’t do anything to disperse that fear of yours and make you trust them more…
Are you suggesting that I should be vulnerable and showing weakness with everyone? At this day and age?
No, not at all. Not everyone is well intentioned and have our best interest in mind. You don’t need to show too much vulnerability in professional settings. Or with acquaintances and people you only know superficially. Or even with some family members, with whom you don’t feel safe.
But what we’re discussing here are romantic relationships. That’s a different ball game altogether. There you do need emotional intimacy, and in order to have emotional intimacy, you need to be honest and open, including about your own dilemmas, fears, what worries you etc. And you’d need to be open to listen to your partner if she has such worries herself, and empathize with her, without judgment.
Both of you would need to be free to be yourself in the relationship, i.e. to be authentic, without sugar-coating things, pretending, hiding parts of yourself, or walking on eggshells etc.
I do like the spontaneity… I’m actually a Product Manager so maybe that’s why I’m just more organizational.
Okay, the fact that you like planning ahead isn’t a bad thing. We need a healthy balance of planning and spontaneity.
About the weaknesses I may or may not be afraid of that thing. Because I’m sharply honest… And another thing is that I think is weaknesses are just some things you haven’t learned yet and to be honest it can be fun too. … But for emotional weaknesses in particular I haven’t revealed too much I accept that.
Right, so weakness as in “lack of skill” doesn’t bother you too much, because things can be learned. But it is the emotional “weakness” that is worrying to you, that’s what you’re afraid of. That would include feelings of hurt, anger, sadness, impatience, envy, jealousy and other negative feelings that you may have either towards yourself, your partner, or other people. I am not saying you have all those feelings, just that these emotions would be unacceptable for you to express to your partner, right?
For example, you said you’ve been trying to be patient with your current girlfriend… but I can imagine it was hard for you, and you might have been trying to hide your anger and impatience? You didn’t want to show it, but yet, you felt it?
When I said “Do not settle” mindset I meant more for like places because I’m just changing cities every few months. I need to explore lot of places and wonders of nature.
So you like your dynamic job, where you get to change cities every few months, and explore various places and nature in those areas? That in fact is not in contradiction with having a deep, intimate relationship. Because you’re not talking about getting married and having children any time soon (the latter would require to settle down in one place). You’re still in the phase of looking for a suitable partner, right? And perhaps a suitable partner for you would be someone who shares the wanderlust, who likes to travel and hike and enjoys similar activities like you do. What I am trying to say is that having a deep, intimate relationship is not in contradiction with e.g. your love for adventure.
However, fear of emotional intimacy is indeed in contradiction with having a deep, intimate relationship. Those two don’t go together.
Regarding the battle between your weak part, and your seemingly invincible part:
It’s the confusion and battle between these two things does tires me emotionally sometimes
I don’t even think it’s a battle, but I think it’s more that the “invincible” part (the Protector) is defending the “weak” part (the inner child). No one knows (but you) that you feel weak inside, or to be more precise, that emotionally you don’t feel strong because things bother you much more than you would like to admit, right?
Anyway, I think the solution is in rewriting some key scripts from your childhood, i.e. saying what needs to be said to your parents. Don’t worry, you don’t need to say it out loud to them, but you do need to – in your imagination – defend yourself from your father’s verbal abuse. You, the adult Addy, need to protect little Addy (your inner child) from your father’s abuse, telling him in no uncertain terms that you will not allow him to talk to little Addy like that and to back off.
Also, the adult Addy (in your imagination) needs to explain to his mother that taking abuse silently is not a virtue, and that you don’t want to allow your father to abuse little Addy any more. Tell her she might have meant well, but has caused you harm. Instead of putting some sense into her husband and demanding that he (an adult man) treats you differently, she expected her son to be the mature one. She allowed the abuse to happen, while maintaining the illusion of “peace” in the family.
The above is called finishing the unfinished business. The best would be to do it in therapy, with a skillful therapist. (Don’t do it to your parents’ faces). The idea is to express what you need to express, feel all your emotions (including anger and hurt) and by doing that, put an end to the “old script”. The old script is where you just endured and accepted abuse silently, made excuses for your father, and pretended that all is fine in front of your mother.
By finishing the unfinished business you open yourself up for a new script. And in the new script you’ll feel differently about yourself too – you won’t feel emotionally weak and you won’t need to pretend that you are strong. You’ll be strong and vulnerable at the same time.
What do you say?
TeeParticipantDear humour,
you are very welcome! If you are able to financially, do look into therapy because I think that would help you tremendously. Take care, dear humour!
TeeParticipantDear humour,
you’re very welcome.
the other things you mentioned are there I think. I don’t understand if the way I perceive myself is the way people perceive me or how I should behave at my age and so on.
If you grew up separately from your mother and had no interaction with her as a child, then one thing that was missing was the s0-called mirroring. The baby reaches out, and the parent responds to the baby’s gestures. Or the baby cries, and the parent soothes her. The baby smiles, and the parent smiles back. That’s called mirroring.
If there is no one there to mirror us (to respond to our signals, our communication), I think one of the consequences is that we don’t know ourselves. We don’t know how others perceive us because we weren’t “perceived” (seen and mirrored) properly by our parents or care-takers.
So if that’s what happened to you, you’d need mirroring. You would need someone to see you and respond to you. I think the best way to do it is within a therapeutic relationship because a good therapist is (among many other things) a safe mirror. So that you slowly get that feedback, i.e. response to the signals you give out…
TeeParticipantDear Katrine,
Your right there wasn’t any rejection directed at me, but I took it that way. … I am just really sensitive in these situations, I need to practise this more.
Yeah, and I think it’s good to be aware what triggers your sensitivity, i.e. hypervigilance. You mentioned what it is for you: loud music, lots of people, not being able to see the exit… When you’re in those kind of situations, there is a higher chance that your anxiety will spiral out of control. Therefore it’s good to be prepared (because you don’t want to necessarily avoid such situations all of the time) and sort of count on it, and have a plan what to do in those situations, which will help you stay more calm.
There is a youtube video by psychologist Kati Morton, titled “7 tips to stop hypervigilance from PTSD“, where she explains how to help yourself, both in general and in those triggering situations. One of the key tools is deep belly breathing, same what Dr. Lepera suggested too. This deep breathing should best be practiced when you’re not triggered, but when you feel calm, so that when you get triggered, you can apply it immediately.
I think that apart from deep breathing in triggering situations, you might add a mantra of your choice, telling yourself positive affirmations, e.g. I am worthy, I am lovable, People like me. Or you may apply another self-soothing method, which will help you calm down.
In any case, I think having a contingency plan would be really helpful, because it would help you feel more empowered rather than helpless when those triggers occur.
Just as a side note, another calming method is progressive muscle relaxation (not mentioned in Kati Morton’s video, but elsewhere). This too should be practiced once per day – not in triggering situations, but when you’re calm. I think this is like an “exercise” for our nervous system – it teaches our nervous system how to relax better.
There has been so many incidents with my sister reacting very strongly and me being blamed for it. Lately with the christening, my parents usually don’t take my side in this case they did and it was really nice to try.
Good they took your side in this instance… but unfortunately, this was an exception to the rule. Because throughout your childhood and youth you were regularly blamed for things that were not your fault, while your sister was excused from blame and responsibility, I guess due to her illness?
It so hard when your walking on eggshells. Like during the pandemic I sunk into a depression so bad that I was thinking about suicide every single day, I honestly didn’t think I would survive it. My sister ask me to come to her house (with a few other people) to meet her new boyfriend but I couldn’t get out of the house (cuz of the depression) I kindly declined and the next day a girl called my and told me so your just staying away to be passive agressive and hurt your sister. That hurt.
Yes, that was very hurtful. She seems like a very self-centered person, without much empathy or understanding for others, specially for you. It’s all about her (me, me, me), and nothing about you and your needs.
That feeling the people think that I am a bad person, especially since I spend most of my life being a people pleaser and didn’t have any boundaries cuz they made me feel selfish. Now I am learning that a boundary isn’t a no to them but a yes to myself.
Yes! You said it perfectly! Keep applying it, don’t fall for your sister’s (or anyone else’s) manipulation and guilt-tripping!
The coffee date was a succes. We spend all day together and had the best time it went by so fast, and she is totally up for doing it again. So I am very happy that I asked.
I am so happy for you! That’s a really good development. I am so so glad….
TeeParticipantDear Addy,
thank you, I’ll try turmeric (just googled it, didn’t know about sleep-inducing properties of turmeric…)
I think Yes. and That’s why the shield because showing weakness meaning afraid of more attacks you know?
I see… your assumption here is that when you show weakness, you’ll be attacked. Although you said that when you did share some of your weaknesses and vulnerability, both of your girlfriends showed understanding for it. They didn’t attack you, condemn you or ridicule you.
But the problem is that your father did attack you and condemn you harshly for not performing a certain way, be it handing him the proper tool perfectly, or finishing proper school (one that he deems good and respectable enough). If you failed at any of his expectations, I guess you were judged for being “weak” in his eyes. Whereas your mother condemned you for being weak if you couldn’t control your anger. You were supposed to be “strong enough” (or “wise enough”) to take your father’s abuse silently.
So both of your parents condemned you for showing some form of weakness – whatever each of them deemed as weakness.
And so due to your childhood/youth programming, you adopted a false belief that showing weakness means opening a hunting season on yourself. Allowing others to attack you. While that’s not true at all… but it is true in your worldview, based on your childhood experience.
Can you see now how our childhood experience shapes our worldview, i.e. the narrative we live and operate in? To you, showing weakness means being attacked. And this is probably what prevents you from emotional intimacy…
I do worry about showing myself as a weak person. Because part of me doesn’t accept that I’m a weak person, The things I’ve been through the weaker person wouldn’t be able to pass that. I know I’m very resilient and strong about what I want.
You’re not a weak person – your parents gave you that message. They’ve convinced you that you are. And a part of you (your inner child) believes them. Another part fights against it. That’s the Protector, who says “you can’t hurt me, I’ll never admit that you’ve hurt me.”
You are indeed very resilient (you’ve lived on your own since you were 16 or 17, right?)… but regardless of that, a part of you (your wounded inner child) feels weak. And the Protector part will do anything in his power not to show it to anyone. The Protector part will do everything to appear strong and cool. That’s the part that often uses sarcasm…
On another hand If I do start the dating or relationship, I make sure fulfilling my responsibilities from my side. Giving proper attention, Communication, Planning and Spending time together.
Seems like you really want to be prepared for a “project” called relationship. You want to plan everything, so you wouldn’t fail and none of your weaknesses gets revealed, right? You want to pass it with flying colors…. But the thing is that if you plan too much, perhaps spontaneity is lost? If it’s a project, and you’re the project manager… what’s the role of your girlfriend? The one who goes along and fulfills the plan set by you? I am being provocative here on purpose, but do think about it….
I do have what you can say “Do not settle” mindset.
Yes, I understand… but I don’t think your reason for not settling is the fear of missing out. Because you said you’ve never approach the girl first – it’s always them who approached you. This tells me you’re not a butterfly, wandering from flower to flower, afraid to miss out… You might have been fine alone, had those girls not initiated a relationship with you.
That’s why I think your fear of settling and commitment is caused by what we’ve discussed above: your fear of showing weakness, i.e. being seen as weak.
TeeParticipantDear Addy,
my head is slightly clearer today, and so I’ve noticed an error. This is how the first sentence after your quote should have looked like:
This seems like you’re afraid of showing too much vulnerability, i.e. “weakness”, and you’re also comparing yourself to them.
(not themselves to them – obviously 🙂 )
TeeParticipantDear Dan,
good to hear from you! At the moment I am sick with covid and am struggling with some unwanted side-effects, like insomnia (and feeling pretty beaten during the day due to lack of sleep), although the respiratory symptoms are almost gone. I hope it goes back to normal… Thanks a lot for inquiring!
Nothing really has changed. I’m still sad about the whole thing and depressed most days.
I am sorry to hear that. Are you going to therapy? I think you would need as much support as possible. It would be great if you could surround yourself with supportive people, rather than isolating yourself and staying alone with your thoughts…. Do you have friends (or one good friend) whom you can talk to and confide in?
TeeParticipantDear Addy,
sorry for the late reply, I’ve had a setback with covid, and have started having sleep problems at night and headaches during the day 🙁 So I am not at my best, even though the respiratory symptoms are almost gone.
They both were supportive and trying show me the bright side. But even though I felt like I was being too much vulnerable with them and they’re kind of not that much open? But that may could be also because I told them about my complaining thing
This seems like you’re afraid of showing too much vulnerability, i.e. “weakness”, and you’re also comparing themselves to them. Like, you don’t want to seem “weaker” or “lesser” than them, even though they were supportive and not judgmental when you shared those self-doubts with them. So maybe there’s the fear of being seen as weak by your girlfriend, and also the fear of being seen as weaker than your girlfriend. Would you say that’s true?
So, weak is bad, but weaker than is even worse?
All that can be related to the way you were brought up, and your fear of showing vulnerability/weakness both in front of your mother and father.
As for the fear of commitment, it can very well be related to the fear of emotional intimacy/vulnerability, which boils down to the fear of being seen as not good enough, as lesser than, as inadequate. Like, you don’t want a committed relationship with someone who might down the line judge you for your imperfections? Or an even deeper fear: you don’t want a committed relationship, because it would sooner or later reveal all of your (perceived) imperfections and weaknesses to the person, and you couldn’t bear that?
So maybe, your fear of commitment is the fear of being “revealed” as imperfect, weak, not good enough?
So because of this fear of commitment and etc I talked to my friends and they told to go for casual things.. And I’m still confused if that’s really for me or not because I need to feel connected as well but without too much attachment…
I wouldn’t recommend casual relationships because it’s never a solution and only causes more pain. Instead, my suggestion is to work through those fears (e.g the fear of being seen as not good enough – if that applies), and develop true self-esteem, free from the wounds of the past. And then start dating again, when you see yourself with new eyes…
TeeParticipantDear Andypandy,
I am very sorry about your wounding and the resulting PTSD. It could be that PTSD (if you’re still suffering from it?) contributed to a very strong reaction of sadness and hopelessness after she left you. But from your last post, it seems you’re getting stronger and have resolved to get over it sooner than later.
I don’t know why I have been feeling this way and I think it is the way that she refused to communicate, never gave a reason and how she could walk away so easily after everything we had done together.
As anita said, she probably didn’t feel such a strong attachment to you as you felt to her, and that’s why it was easy for her to leave you. Ever since February 2021, up until your breakup, she was pretending to love you, while she was already involved with someone else. It shows her not too stellar character and selfish motives. But it seems you take her betrayal as a sign that something is wrong with you:
Not knowing why she chose someone else means I constantly feel unworthy and the fact it went on for so long makes me feel I was just used.
You feel unworthy – as if it’s your fault that she used you like that and betrayed you. It wasn’t your fault – no one deserves to be treated like that.
I think if you could accept that her betrayal is not your fault, and that it doesn’t tell anything about you and your worthiness, it might be easier to deal with it.
TeeParticipantDear Andypandy499,
I am so sorry for your suffering – both your illness and having been abandoned and betrayed by this woman, a woman who meant so much to you.
A long time ago I was abandoned by my first boyfriend, and I too thought that my life is over. I was crying every day, not understanding how he – who used to be so loving – could be so cruel to me. It took me 2 years to recover…
Later I’ve realized that the reason I was so incredibly hurt and incapacitated is that without him, I felt unlovable and unworthy. I also felt like an orphan, all alone in the world. What happened is that his leaving triggered my childhood wounds – primarily the wound of abandonment, and I regressed into that childlike, helpless state.
It seems to me that you too might be experiencing something similar:
I don’t think I can move on, I miss her so much that even now I still cannot focus to carry on. I have tried to hate her but I cannot. I have tried to forget and move on but she is still here, in my head when I walk down the road. It’s like a ghost of her appears next to me at places we have been and that time replays in my head and I end up crying, which can be awkward in Starbucks. I feel so hopeless.
I am willing to try anything to take away the pain and the emptiness eating me up each day.
May I ask – have you experienced abandonment in your childhood in some form? Because that might be the reason why you feel so broken now.
I wish you get to the bottom of this, and find love and hope outside of this woman who treated you so unfairly.
TeeParticipantDear Addy,
thank you for you empathy, I appreciate it.
Maybe yeah I guess… and also I felt like she’s just doing too much for me, So I didn’t felt it right and I felt pressured and after that I started to question myself if I really love her.. So that’s why
So yeah with my 1st girlfriend I wasn’t very vulnerable
Right… so it seems to me that she felt inferior in your relationship, specially since you’ve never or rarely shared about your own weaknesses and vulnerability. So you were the “perfect guy”, and she probably felt inadequate. She was trying to impress you, was doing things that you liked and was probably afraid to tell you that she doesn’t really enjoy those activities that much.
You say you also felt pressured because she did too much for you. So you had an impression that she is trying too much, trying to be someone else, not being authentic. I guess her reason was that she was afraid of rejection, so she tried to mold herself into something she isn’t, so you wouldn’t reject her.
But you’ve noticed that she’s not really enjoying the activities that you enjoy, but is only pretending. You’ve noticed that she’s not honest with you, that she’s faking it, and not being authentic. And you didn’t like that about her. So you stopped being attracted to her, and eventually left her. Does this roughly describe what happened?
with later two girlfriends yes.. but like after spending few months…
So you were more vulnerable with your later two girlfriends. You did share some of your “imperfections” and self-doubts. And how did they respond to that?
You said that you start feeling trapped very soon after the initial elation about the girl. So when you shared those weaknesses or yours, being authentic, several months into the relationship – at that point did you already start feeling trapped in the relationship?
TeeParticipant(* Dear Anita, thank you a lot, I am feeling much better today. The fever is gone, and now it seems like a regular cold.)
Dear Addy,
But as of now I’m thinking like being fake like that takes an effort too. And I don’t think I’m that much effortful my relationships or with other people
I prefer authenticity that’s what I know
Because When I broke up with my 1st gf (Not LDR) Just because she was trying to fit in with me. I knew she’s doing these things and showing she’s enjoying (More or less) Hiking and Walking for hours at the beach..etc but I knew she’d prefer more if it’s indoor activities. And that’s what you can say not being authentic or faking?Okay, so you’re saying that you broke up with your first girlfriend because she wasn’t being authentic with you and was faking that she likes the things you like, so that you would approve of her?
Let me ask you something: with your later two girlfriends, have you sometimes shared when you’re not in the best mood, or when you have doubts about yourself (such as what you’ve shared here on the forum: that you fear you’re not doing enough, not being successful enough, etc). Do you share those self-doubts with the person you’re involved with?
TeeParticipantDear Lukas,
you’re very welcome, and thank you for your blessings. You are very kind!
I am already working on a business plan for exactly that, with the foundation being capitalistic – in a sense that its the base for the company to be healthy, to not write red numbers, but do not have it as an ultimate goal, which I currently feel like is the case with the company I am owning a big share of. I already communicated my intentions to sell everything off and start anew.
Good to hear that you’re already working on a new business model. So your plan is to sell your share in the company you’re owning together with your brother, and start alone?
About your brother, you wrote that you’ve changed your attitude towards him:
At the same time I tried to look deeply into my brothers existence and understand his suffering to gain compassion and understanding, both of these things helped me tremendously already. As a third practice I now ALWAYS hug my brother when I see him and listen to him thoroughly when we talk, to give as much attention as possible in order to not just practice on my cushion, but to also live what I try to practice.
That’s so sweet! To try to understand your brother and really listen to him, and have compassion for him. Do you still feel jealous at him sometimes? I am not asking this to judge you, just to check how things are now…
There is a book in german roughly translated to “Lead, shape, move: Values and wisdom for a globalised world” by the dalai lama on ethical business and it inspired me a lot, maybe you can find it as an English translation
I’ve looked it up and found an interview with Dalai Lama about ethical business. And the interview is on another really cool website, called bthechange dot com, if you want to check that one out as well.
Thank you so much for your kind words once again!
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