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Dear Dave,
I never thought about her being a perfectionist, because she is so messy, but I guess those don’t have to go together, I assumed that perfectionists would want things clean and tidy.
I guess she is messy at home? But you say she’s never happy with the work the workers or volunteers do in the barn, or how the owners mow the grass, and she has the need to fix it afterwards. She wants to do things “right”. This tells me she isn’t messy but rather precise (or at least she is trying to be like that) when it comes to her work environment. So perhaps there’s a split there – messy at home, tidy/precise at work?
That might be the reason though, but if it is, then is there nothing that I can do to help her?
Yes, I believe she would need to resume therapy, because this doesn’t seem like an issue for couple’s therapy. I mean, you can suggest couple’s therapy, and see where that leads. But you can also try to talk to her about the things that we’ve spoken about here, and how her low self-esteem and feeling of “not being good enough” might be causing some of her behavior. Perhaps try to talk to her and see how she reacts?
- This reply was modified 3 years, 3 months ago by Tee.
TeeParticipantDear Felix,
Yes you’re right, i wanna experience what it feels like to live independent abroad… i believe i also can improved my individual skills e.g. cooking skills (as i live alone)…
That’s a good motivation! More independence will definitely do you good, and it seems to me like the right path for you.
If in the future i end up not taking masters abroad, and continue living my life like this….
What should i do to feel confident of myself to start my own family in the future, so that i won’t feel less? Is it to ask my parents to give me more difficult tasks?
Well, if you can’t go abroad, and you don’t really prefer studying that much either, how about moving into your own apartment and taking on a part-time job away from your parents’ company? So to stay in your home town, or your home country, but try to be as independent from your parents as possible? That way you can start practicing your cooking skills too, and in general, learn to become more independent.
Do you think that would be possible? It can be like an experiment, perhaps for 3 or 6 months, just so you get a feel of how it is to live independently and take care of yourself.
TeeParticipantHi miliMeow,
I’ve only just seen your post, that’s why the delay… I believe that when we want to prove our point (like you do in online arguments), it may come from wanting external approval. Like, you don’t feel good about yourself otherwise, and you need to win an argument in order to feel better about yourself.
Maybe for you it’s not so much about external approval, as much as the need to feel better than the other person (I won, you lost!). It could stem from your childhood, where you perhaps felt you’re always losing arguments, or were bullied, or something like that?
TeeParticipantHi Murtaza,
I see you’re reaching out, wanting something, and when Peter asked you what is it what you want, you replied:
Honestly ? The worse, which is either being misunderstood, or the expected thing, which is to be ignored, sometimes i will just make a post to prove to myself the latter, and that norimes, truely don’t understand me, or don’t want anything to do with me,
In a previous thread (Life without dopamine), you said this about other people’s posts:
What my motivation making this post you may ask? Boredom, pure boredom, i will get the same horrible answers i got in my last post.
You see how you’re creating your own reality? You say people give you horrible answers, you don’t appreciate their sincere wish to help, you call them “normies” and are totally dismissive of anything they tell you, and then logically, people don’t want to engage with you any more. So their response is that they ignore you, which is what “you expected”. But in reality, you brought about this reaction upon yourself, because honestly, why would someone want to engage with you, only to be rejected and treated disrespectfully? They rather withdraw.
If you want to engage with people meaningfully, you’d need to stop rejecting them so completely, while believing that they are rejecting you.
TeeParticipantDear Jisoo,
you’re very welcome. Well, now that you say you know his family and he took you to his home, and he isn’t hiding your relationship, well perhaps he isn’t such a scam as I thought he was. If he’s recently lost his brother, he might feel that this is what you have in common – the grief and the pain – and he feels some empathy for you. Does he ever talk about his brother and the pain he’s feeling?
But nevertheless, his secretiveness is a big red flag, and it’s good that you’re not counting on romantic involvement any more and are cutting down contact. Because he still might have some ulterior motives, rather than just being a shoulder to cry on.
TeeParticipantDear Dave,
you ask:
I get hints of resentment from time to time about me not helping her in the barn, I have helped her quite a bit over the years at the farm, but I told her when we first got together that her job is her job, I won’t be helping her all the time. .. So, maybe she is resentful of that, and takes it out by staying late at work?
Well, she might be resentful of you, but I don’t think that’s her main motive for staying late at work. Because you said:
I know that she does all the work in the barn, takes breaks and has tea with the owners, talks with her clients, sometimes she will have a few glasses of wine after she is done with the owners or clients at the barn.
It seems she is enjoying her time at work and doesn’t rush to come home. She even sits down for a drink after she’s done with work. All the time knowing that you’re upset that she is spending so little time at home. It appears she feels better in the barn than she feels at home, and it could be, as I said, because she feels she isn’t a good enough wife and mother, and she finds escape in her work.
Another reason is that she might be a workaholic and perfectionist (you said she’s fixing things after others, because she isn’t happy with how they’ve done it), and she just cannot force herself to stop – even at the expense of her family life.
Being a perfectionist is also a sign of low self-esteem and not feeling good enough. So she tries to make things perfect because when things are perfect in the barn, she might feel better about herself. But deep down, she still feels bad about herself, and that’s why she sabotages her family life…
So it seems to me that her low self-esteem (and not feeling good enough) is what drives her behavior of spending too much time at work and too little at home. At work she is trying to reach perfection, while at home she’s sort of given up. What do you think? Does this seem like a plausible explanation of what might be happening?
- This reply was modified 3 years, 3 months ago by Tee.
TeeParticipantDear Jisoo,
whatever his intentions are, he isn’t sincere because he wouldn’t have been hiding his name from you, and wouldn’t be so mysterious about his life. He knows everything about you, and you know hardly anything about him. You confide in him as if he were your best friend and confidante, and he doesn’t even give you his real name?? He isn’t available in the evenings or on the weekends, which means he wants to keep you out of his private life – because clearly his private life is dedicated to other people. He might be leading a double or triple life, misleading maybe not just you but other women too. If I were you, I would be wary of him.
Regardless of how “caring” and “supportive” he might seem, he is a scam and who knows what kind of game he is playing. You say you’re confused that he doesn’t want anything from you, isn’t forcing you to sex, has endless patience and tolerance, even when you’re attacking him, never raises his voice, and only asks you to stay in touch with him no matter what.
There could be more explanations why he behaves like that. One is that he might feel unwanted in his marriage and he likes feeling important to you (but still, not important enough to leave his wife and have an exclusive relationship with you). Another is that he likes feeling superior to women, and targets fragile women whom he then “helps” and “guides”. Another, a more ominous one, is that he is a psychopath, because he keeps telling you that he’ll stay with you “until the end”. What end, indeed?
Even if the latter is not the case (I might be paranoid!), I’d stay away from him. I understand that you feel fragile after your husband’s sudden death (I am sorry about that), and that you like his supposed caring and guiding you in various matters. You also say you have an anxious attachment style, which makes it even harder for you to be alone. That’s why you are attracted to him and want so desperately to be with him. But he is a scam, I am afraid, and the best would be to stop all contact.
TeeParticipantDear Dave,
you are welcome. You said she has self-esteem issues and lots of self-doubt. That, coupled with her comment “the only reason you love me is that I gave you a son“, might indicate that she really doesn’t love herself. Perhaps she believes that she is a bad wife and mother, but at least her job is what gives her satisfaction, and maybe even an escape from her feelings of failure as wife and mother? She is always late, even when she promises you a date night, and that too can be a way of self-sabotage, because it proves to her over and over again how inadequate she is.
Also, she might want to do things right – fixing the barn – because she believes she can’t do things right in her marriage?
This is just one possible explanation of her behavior – of her rejection of every and all attempts to change her working hours so she can spend more time with you and your son. When you confront her with it, she shuts down, she doesn’t want to talk about it, she stops speaking to you at all. What might be happening is that such confrontations open her wound of feeling not good enough, of feeling like a failure, and it’s too painful. She can’t bear it, so she shuts down.
If this is plausible, I believe your wife would need to continue working on her self-esteem and heal her wound of being not good enough. Because this wound might be causing all this turmoil…
TeeParticipantDear Felix,
Do u think the way my parents guide me for my future is wrong? Although i know they want the best for me…
They wanted you to take the easier route, because in general, it’s easier to get employed at the family’s company that to have to compete on the job market. They wanted to protect you, and it’s probably because they see you as not capable enough to make it on your own (your mother is mocking you that you get your salary just because you’re your dad’s son, not because you deserve it).
They think they want the best for you, but they don’t, because they (specially your mother) have instilled in you since childhood this notion that you are weak, less capable and a reason to worry. And you indeed adopted this view of yourself, and became lazy, unmotivated, and overly dependent on your parents.
They first made you weak, or contributed to your weakness, and now they are “helping” you by giving you unimportant tasks, treating you like a child. It’s not a healthy approach.
Like what do they want actually…. I know they want me to inherit, but they make it seem like i’m useless…
Yes, that’s the paradox. On one hand, they treat you as useless, and on the other, they would like you to inherit the company. How do they think you could some day lead the company if they don’t trust in your abilities? Perhaps you can ask them that… but what’s for sure is that their attitude is unhelpful if they really want you to succeed and thrive some day.
The question is what you want. If you opt for an MBA, what are you hoping to achieve with it? You say:
If i really study abroad later on… i wanna try taking part time jobs while having my masters… then after graduating i’ll try applying for jobs (in that abroad country) to gain experience….
My interpretation of this is that you’re hoping to gain experience and perhaps some independence from your parents, doing part-time jobs, where you’re not given baby tasks like now, but are treated like an adult. Is that correct? If that’s your goal, I think it’s a good one, and would help you a lot.
During those part-time jobs, you might discover what you like and what suits you best, and you may adjust your career accordingly. Perhaps you get to like those business skills (which so far you don’t like) and either choose to go back to your father’s company, to some kind of managerial position, or you get a job elsewhere, in a good company, which takes you seriously. Or, you realize you absolutely hate business, but you discover what you do like and go into that field, away from your father’s company.
So, having multiple part-time jobs would serve as a catalyst to help you decide what you like best and what career to choose. And being away from your parents would help you gain independence and remove yourself from their smothering influence.
So if I were you, I would look for ways to move away from your parents, at least for a while. If MBA or a similar Masters program offers you this possibility, I’d seriously consider it!
August 9, 2021 at 10:58 pm in reply to: We are very different. I don’t know what to do about him #384426TeeParticipantDear Luna,
you’re very welcome. I hope you’ll get accepted to the Masters program and can move away from your family, find a job and slowly start working on yourself.
And yes, loving that little girl, who is scared and confused, is the first step. You’ve been taking care of others for so long, now it’s time to take care of her. I believe having a trusted therapist will help you a great deal. You can do it, Luna, because you are strong too!
Wishing you well, and post anytime you need <3
TeeParticipantDear Dave,
in your first post you described your wife as: “she seems perfect to and for me, she keeps me grounded and listens.”
But in what you are saying, I don’t see how she really listens to you, except that she listens to your complaints, or your suggestions about her business, or she listens to you when you talk about your feelings…. but then she ends up ignoring all of that and is keeping the status quo. She knows everything that bothers you, and those are legitimate concerns, and yet, she is unwilling (or unable due to her own issues) to change.
Even when she asks you to take her out on a date, she is late and sabotages it. You say she wouldn’t be willing to go to a couple therapy either because she would sabotage it too. It seems she isn’t willing to do anything to accommodate for your needs, whereas you are willing to do a lot for her, even opt for vasectomy, which is a pretty final solution.
So when you say she listens to you, does she really listen? Her asking for ideas for her business, or asking to be taken out on dates seems manipulative, because she ends up rejecting it. She might not be doing it on purpose, but there is something in her – some resentment – that she is taking out on you. Do you think she might resent you for not joining her in her business, like leave your job and work full time with her? Or that you don’t join her during the summer, after you’re done with your job, and help her clean the barn etc?
You said: It’s almost as if she doesn’t want anything to change, which I understand,
Why is it understandable that she wouldn’t want to change anything? It appears your son is rejecting her, doesn’t want her to take care of him. Wouldn’t she want to change that?
My friends and family absolutely LOVE my wife, and so anything I say will get back to her and cause a fight.
And you couldn’t bear to have a fight with her? It seems to me you have a problem with asserting yourself and asking for what you want in your marriage, perhaps out of guilt? For example, when she stood you up for a date, and it didn’t happen once but multiple times – have you confronted her or you just let it go?
TeeParticipantDear Dave,
you’re welcome.
We have talked about her hours and changes to her business that would let her have more time, but she doesn’t do anything about it.
So you have been through this cycle of talking about possible improvements, discussing options, you giving suggestions, asking for her ideas… and the result is that nothing changes. Because she cannot make up her mind. For some reason, she is stuck.
Does she realize that she is hurting your relationship by spending the whole day at work and even fixing things that the property owners should be fixing? Have you told her how you feel when she dedicates so much time to her work, while dedicating so little time to you and your son?
Perhaps the first thing to clarify is why she’s staying at work so long – is it because she is avoiding you or resenting you for something (“I am afraid that if I ask her to go to couples therapy she will not have time, or stay at work longer to avoid it.”), or because of reasons that have nothing to do with you, such as her low self-esteem or similar?
In any case, I believe it would be good if you’d express your own needs and also express how it makes you feel when she is never home. Perhaps instead of trying to help her with her business plan (which obviously doesn’t work), talk about your feelings honestly and see how she reacts.
August 9, 2021 at 9:36 am in reply to: We are very different. I don’t know what to do about him #384386TeeParticipantDear Luna,
you’re welcome.
This is an opportunity to think more about myself than about being with others.
Yes, and another thing is that when you start healing your wounds, you’ll be able to have better relationships with others. So it’s a win-win…
It is easier than done but I will try.
You said earlier that you’ll be able to attend therapy once you’re in a better financial situation. You also said you were planning to move for work. How is your job situation now?
TeeParticipantDear Felix,
I won’t turn myself into a lone wolf… as i believe it’ll cause negative impacts on me…. and yeah i have few good friends (less than 10).
Good to hear you won’t turn into a lone wolf! Less than 10 good friends is quite a lot, even 2 or 3 really good friends can be enough…
Although i can still hangout with them, i don’t feel as attach as i used to with them (with my current mindset)…. I don’t even wanna care about their lives anymore…
Good you’re not attached to them and aren’t comparing your life with theirs any more. I believe it’s a good strategy that for the time being, you focus on yourself, learning about yourself, going inward rather than outward, developing more self-esteem etc. Later, when you feel more self-confident, you can start reaching out more, inquiring how they are, showing genuine interest in them. What I am trying to say is that you can care about their lives in a positive, friendly manner, not in an anxious manner, where you’re comparing yourself with them (which you might have done so far).
I posted that kind of pic because she usually initiates a chat with me if there’s something funny…..
Goofy pictures are fun, you don’t need to feel embarrassed at all! Actually it tells others you are cool and relaxed because you don’t mind posting a funny picture of yourself. So rest assured, it’s totally harmless and seen either as positive or neutral. You have nothing to worry about.
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TeeParticipantDear Felix,
i used to play games only because i dont wanna get left out from my friends, but right now i start playing games for myself recently (i play alone)… and i enjoyed it…
I really enjoy being alone now
It’s good you do something you enjoy… just keep up also the physical exercises, otherwise you may become too passive again.
i can see things in a bigger picture now but i became less social… i hope this is a positive path for me.
Well, you said you’re an introvert and that socializing too much wasn’t for you. But we all need company, so don’t go into the other extreme of becoming a recluse, a lone wolf, playing computer games all the time… You have at least one or two good friends, don’t you? Don’t neglect keeping in touch with them, and perhaps hanging out with them once the covid situation improves.
Especially looks, this is a crucial one… as humans are visual creatures and they are easily attracted by appearance…
Well, they say that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. A good-looking girl could have a bad character, and after a while you’ll start resenting her, whereas a girl with a more average looks might be a true gem. So I wouldn’t say looks is the crucial one, not at all. Of course, it’s important that you’d be attracted to the person, but we can be attracted to more than just physical appearance.We can be attracted to their personality, and their good heart, and that’s I think the most important kind of attraction.
The embarrassment isnt only about the housing project… there’s also a post of myself in which at that time i know it’ll embarrass me but i still shared it on social media because i know it’ll attract that “girl” attention… and i remember i posted that kind of pic not only once, but a few times….
What kind of picture of yourself did you post?
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