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TeeParticipantDear moonlight,
good to hear from you again, and thank you for your kind words!
I am 8 months pregnant and things are looking up for me I am so excited to meet my baby and have so much to do before the baby arrives, I’m so worried about getting sucked back into all of this drama which I extricated myself from in the last year. What do I say to my sister? Do I just ignore her or do I tell her I dont want to talk to her? I dont want to be hurt anymore by what she has to say, so I dont want to say anything that could make her hurl vitriol at me.
You are right that you want to protect your peace of mind and your mental health in the last month of pregnancy – so by all means remain firm in your decision not to meet your sister and mother/monster! Your mother doesn’t deserve it at all, she tortured you physically, mentally and emotionally throughout your childhood, and in your adulthood, she never expressed interest in you, never visited you, but only used you for doing her paperwork.
This is what she told you:
“So now that you’re married you think you’re better than the rest of us” and “Now that you married a rich guy you think you can just cut out your family like that” and “you dont deserve to have your own family because you treat your current family like crap”
She accused you of treating her and the rest of your family like crap, when in fact she was the one who treated you in most despicable ways, since the moment you were born. She accused you of cutting her out, when in fact it was her who cut you out from the rest of the family, from the time you can remember. She did a great injustice to you, and is still treating you despicably, so indeed the only thing to do is to cut all contact with her.
Unfortunately, your sister agrees with her, she is repeating her words about you cutting them out, and you treating them like crap. When you opened up to her and explained your reasons for stopping contact with your mother, your sister didn’t have any compassion or understanding for you, but accused you of being the guilty one.
I see no reason why to keep contact with your sister because she unfortunately is completely blinded by your mother’s narrative. Perhaps it suits her to have you as a black sheep in the family, so she can throw rocks at you and keep your mother’s wrath from turning on her.
I dont want to be hurt anymore by what she has to say, so I dont want to say anything that could make her hurl vitriol at me.
I understand that your sister’s words hurt you because you do love her and care for her, and you wanted a closer relationship with her. But unfortunately this is not possible, at least for now, until she is in her current mindset. Try not to take her offenses to heart – as in, don’t believe what she is accusing you of!
You are a good, kind and loving person, not a selfish and uncaring one, as your sister and mother are portraying you. You are the one who was reaching out and was kind to your mother all this time, but she was heartless and cruel to you. Now she is portraying herself as the victim, because you decided to not tolerate her abuse any more. You decided not to be a doormat, and this makes you a bad person in their eyes. Well, don’t trust that, moonlight, don’t believe their words! Know your worth and your heart – know that you are a kind, loving person – and you will be able to deal more easily with your sister’s accusations. It will be easier to stop all contact with her.
You can decide how to stop contact – whether to ignore her messages or to tell her something – but important is to stop all contact without having a sense of guilt. Don’t feel guilty about it, because it’s none of your fault. You have the right to stop contact with your abusers.
I wish you determination and strength. I think you love yourself enough to be able to do it. I am rooting for you!
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TeeParticipantDear Javier,
I hope you get at least a partial functionality in your left arm. God speed to you!
I imagine it’s hard being alone, without your family’s support, but what matters the most now is that you find yourself, slowly but surely, putting one foot before the other, living day by day… Things will get better, just keep at it!
TeeParticipantDear ginn,
No, actually it is just a simple things like try to post a video on YouTube. When thinking about I have to use a lot of time to watch tutorials and don’t have special content, then it just stopped me to execute it.
Have I understood it right that you want to post a video on youtube, but don’t have a topic (a special content) you want to talk about?
I also thought of starting a business, then when I think that I have to use a lot of time to do research, it stopped me again. I guess I’m too weak at take action immediately.
Well, starting a business is a huge topic and not easy at all. It takes a lot of research and preparation. Do you know what kind of business you’d like to start?
TeeParticipantDear ginn,
I always have plan after I quit my job, but once I quit it, I’m too lazy to execute the plan. Probably I need to deal with laziness and procrastination too.
How feasible or realistic is that plan? Earlier you said:
Here’s the repeated pattern, resigned my job to stay at home hoping for doing something bigger to change my life or the world.
If your plan is to do something big that will “change the world”, no wonder you feel overwhelmed by it. Perhaps the first thing would be to evaluate how feasible the plan is, is it just “a pie in the sky”, or it’s feasible but you need to break it down into smaller steps, make an action plan etc…
TeeParticipantDear Javier,
thank you for responding. I am sorry you’re still feeling bad, but glad that you keep keeping on, that you are attending therapy and trying to help yourself. Are you also getting physical therapy for your left arm?
For now you may feel like you are in survival mode, but with time, I hope you’ll be able to silence those negative thoughts and feelings, and feel just a smidgen of love and appreciation for yourself… and that this will be a breakthrough for you, gray clouds parting and a patch of blue sky appearing…
I am sorry I can’t help you with concrete suggestions about how to feel better, but I am keeping you in my thoughts and prayers and rooting for you. I wish you a better and brighter New Year, and a slow but definite progress!
TeeParticipantDear ginn,
thank you for your kind wishes. I wish you a happy, healthy and prosperous New Year as well!
The list you came up with is great – very well done! I don’t think you are missing anything – those are all great points to develop a healthy and compassionate relationship with yourself. I think they can help you a lot in situations like this:
Another example is when I was working part time at high school, I couldn’t find a joy from it, then I simply did my work and made a lot mistakes. I was so scared that my boss would find out and fire me, so I decided to quit it before he find out.
If you tell yourself that it’s okay to make a mistake, you won’t start panicking and catastrophizing, believing that you deserve to be fired. You can tell yourself that it’s human to make mistakes, and that you aren’t a bad or hopeless person for having made a mistake. You can decide to pay more attention next time, but without feeling bad about yourself.
Or, if you feel your current job isn’t the ultimate fulfillment of your dreams, you can be aware of that and aspire for something else, but you don’t need to rush and quit your job immediately. Instead, you can apply the “Slow down and don’t rush for big goals” motto. Which may mean that you stay at the same job for the time being, while you are exploring your options. You don’t quit impulsively, in a rush, but when you’ve figured out what to do next.
Yes, I feel free to be completely honest and show my vulnerable with my therapists. It just the fees is hard for me to continue with them.
I am glad you’ve got a good therapist, and I hope you won’t need to quit the sessions, because it would be great to keep the momentum going and keep working on your personal goals. Perhaps a part-time job would be an option? It doesn’t have to be a dream job, but just something temporary, that helps you pay for the therapist and allows you enough free time to explore your passions and interests, i.e. your future career options. How does that sound?
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TeeParticipantDear anita,
thanks a lot, happy New Year to you too! Happy New Year, ginn!
TeeParticipantDear Canadian Eagle,
in my experience, we can only let go if we have forgiven ourselves and the other person, and learned the lesson from the failed relationship. How do you feel about your past relationships? How do you feel about yourself, i.e. the other person? If you’d like to share some more, you are welcome…
TeeParticipantDear ginn,
When I read both of yours reply, I cried so hard. It felt like after a long time, someone finally understood me. Thank you for giving me a different perspective on this issue.
I am really glad you felt seen and understood, and that this conversation helps you see things in a different light.
I’m sorry to hear you had the same experience and I hope you’ve gone out from it.
Yes, it’s been a while that I am not too bothered by my mother’s criticism. I used to be very sensitive and tried to make her happy and pleased with me, but this was an impossible mission, so I gave up. I have much more self-esteem now and feel better about myself…
This also made me never seek help from others; I always tried my best to do everything on my own.
Right, because you thought asking for help means weakness…
I think that’s why I always choose to run and hide myself when someone criticizes me, and if someone criticizes me, it triggers a panic attack. Every time I meet anyone or a stranger, I have to be constantly on guard in case others will criticize me.
Being criticized probably just deepens your sense of “not being good enough” and feeling unworthy. To make things worse, you feel you have no one to turn to for support and consolation (since your father taught you that showing weakness is a failure), and this probably makes you even more anxious, leading to a panic attack. If you had a close friend whom you can share your fears and insecurities with, it would be easier… but since you don’t, it makes things more difficult. You feel like you have to sort it out on your own, and… it makes you panic. At least this seems like a plausible explanation to me.
I’m too afraid to meet my friends, my former colleagues, because I thought I’m too bad in everything.
I know the feeling. I too had a similar sense of shame, feeling inadequate, worse than others… and the fear that I’d be judged.
Yes, I did get in touch with the gentle voice, after I learn to stop thinking negative thoughts. There’s a small small voice telling me I’m good enough, is okay to fear or fail. I’m glad that it got some improvement.
That’s great! Just keep connecting to that voice as much as you can. Whenever you hear your inner critic getting loud with accusations, remind yourself that what it’s saying isn’t true, and that you are good enough, and that it’s okay to fail. And that vulnerability is an asset, not an obstacle.
I also think it would be important to have someone non-judgmental, whom you can confide in and be honest about your fears and insecurities. Your therapist can be such a person for you… do you feel free to be completely honest and vulnerable with your therapist?
December 31, 2021 at 2:46 am in reply to: A date with a coworker felt like a bright spot in 2020 (and maybe it was)? #390539
TeeParticipantDear Ryan,
My mother is still quite reserved. I did some Christmas shopping with my father when I was home, and he told me that my mom is typically stressed and sad during the holidays. Likely due to her poor relationship with her parents. To your point, I certainly feel that my mother’s detachment and cool demeanor (at times) led me to believe that I’m not good enough for another.
Yes, because if the child cannot make their mother happy, if she is often sad and depressed in spite of all the love the child is showering her with – then the child concludes that something is wrong with them. That the problem is in them, not in their mother.
One consequence of that is that you don’t feel good enough. You’ve expressed that notion many times before here.
Another consequence of having had emotional trauma is that as adults, we are attracted to people who remind us the parent who hurt is. We hope that this time around, it will be different, and that we will finally get the love we crave for. That’s all unconscious, we aren’t aware of those patterns, but still, the craving for a certain type of person is there.
You started this thread pining for your work colleague, who I believe is a person who reminds you of your mother. You often spoke about her having her walls up and not letting you see her true self. This is what you wrote about her:
She was safe and so welcoming…but only to a point. She would often text and call, and when I was with her, I did not feel like I was not wanted there. Yet, there was a distance between us. Her own “walls” she kept up in this brief relationship. There is much I did not know about her, and much that I was not permitted to know about her.
And then you’ve realized that you yourself used to do the same thing to your previous girlfriends – erecting walls and not letting them near you:
I think what is frustrating is that I see in her what I used to do in relationships: Fearful of judgement or disappointment, I was unwilling to let my partner in by maintaining or fortifying the walls, so that they never really knew the “real me.” I can see that reflect in her so clearly now. She enjoys her time with me, cares for me, and is attracted to me; however, due to her perceived flaws or fears, she keeps me at a distance, so she protects herself and controls the relationship. This, based on my experience, makes the other person anxious and walking the tightrope to either a deeper relationship or falling and being hurt.
You are now doing the same thing to your current girlfriend – you’re keeping her out and withdrawing. Since she is available and open to you, since she isn’t erecting walls towards you – you aren’t interested. Were she rejecting and pushing you away, you would be interested, I am almost sure about that.
You see the pattern? Those who don’t want you, you crave for. Those who do want you, you don’t want.
I believe this is all caused by your emotional trauma with your cold and distant mother. I don’t think you’d need to explore further what exactly happened in your childhood (by means of hypnotherapy), since I believe this should be enough to work on in therapy.
I think the wound you’ve experienced is emotional neglect: you mother not showing enough love, appreciation and interest in you, since she was suffering from the consequences of her own childhood wounds. She wasn’t emotionally available to you, and it always felt as if there is a wall around her heart, that you couldn’t get in. She didn’t show you her true self, and she probably wasn’t interested in your true self either.
And so now you are craving to be truly seen by a specific type of woman: a type who is emotionally guarded and unwilling to let you inside of her walls. You want to see her and be seen by her, to share your deepest self with her. But she refuses. That’s what happened with your colleague.
Your current girlfriend is open and receptive, she would like to share her deepest self with you, but that’s not attractive to you.
It’s been a largely lonely road for me thus far and I do not want to end up alone in life.
I understand, and I hope you too can see why it has been lonely… because of this pattern you are stuck in. You’d need to heal the wound of emotional neglect, inflicted by your mother, if you want to maintain a healthy relationship, where both parties are equally keen on each other, and there is no unrequited love.
December 30, 2021 at 3:32 am in reply to: A date with a coworker felt like a bright spot in 2020 (and maybe it was)? #390512
TeeParticipantDear Ryan,
I was able to fly home for the week before Christmas to see my parents, sister, and daughter. It was a busy week but a pleasant one. I’m moving here in about a week and a half, so I’m been prepping.
I think I’ve misunderstood you in my previous post. Are you actually moving to your parents’ place till the time you’ll be required to return to the office?
You say your time with you family was a pleasant one. That’s nice. How are you feeling around your mother? Is she still emotionally reserved?
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TeeParticipantDear ginn,
I would just like to add something else, which I think is important. You said:
Here’s the repeated pattern, resigned my job to stay at home hoping for doing something bigger to change my life or the world.
The desire to do something important and “change the world” is very familiar to me. I had the same desire in the past, and I can tell you that it stemmed from my low sense of self-worth. I believed I needed to do something big, so I would finally feel worthy. It wasn’t a conscious thought, but it was still driving me unconsciously.
Like you, I always dreamed about big things, but never really did any of them (Unfortunately, all the thoughts just in my mind, no actions are taken.)
I never felt capable enough. I felt stuck, like you, between big dreams and no realization. The reason for that pattern is low self-esteem and the need to prove your worth, both to yourself but mostly to your parents.
December 30, 2021 at 12:47 am in reply to: A date with a coworker felt like a bright spot in 2020 (and maybe it was)? #390504
TeeParticipantDear Ryan,
good to hear from you again, I am glad you replied.
I’m moving here in about a week and a half, so I’m been prepping. … our return to the office was pushed back from Jan to possibly March or April.
I see. So I guess you are still staying in the same area (in the Appalachian), since the cost of living there is much smaller than in the big city?
The girl I’ve been seeing for much of the year would like me to move and return to stay with her …. It is a source of stress for us both.
Right. Because she would like you to stay, and you would like to leave the relationship, at least you wanted it a couple of months ago. Has that changed in any way? Are you still determined to break up once you move to your new location?
By the way, what do you think about what I’ve said earlier as a possibility about your childhood:
You mother didn’t show emotions to you – that could mean she didn’t show joy while she was around you, taking care of you, spending time with you, playing with you. If the mother is cold and detached and doesn’t show warmth and tenderness, that can be devastating for a child. It registers as rejection – and it could lead to you concluding you aren’t good enough and there’s something wrong with you.
Do you think this is a possibility – that your mother being emotionally cold and detached led you to believe that you are unlovable and that there is something wrong with you?
TeeParticipantDear ginn,
you are welcome.
I know my dad shouldn’t do that, but it’s the way he talks because it runs in family blood (my grandpa).
Our parents often repeat their parents’ mistakes. My mother brought me up similarly to how her mother brought her up… with lots of criticism and very little empathy. Your father and grandfather sound the same…
Even though I’m grown-up now, he still criticises me when I make mistakes. I believe his behaviour has had a big impact on me, slowly accumulating from a young age, and subconsciously has taken a toll on me.
It’s good you’re realizing that your father’s behavior affected you, and still affects you badly. It is what caused your low self-esteem, i.e. the sense that you aren’t good enough.
You say your parents support you in everything (My parents are always supportive for everything I want to do in my life). However, it seems your father has only been supportive if you are winning, if you are strong and fearless, if you are not afraid. But he hasn’t been supportive if you are losing, if you feel weak and afraid, if you feel confused and are lacking direction. In those situations, from an early age, he had no empathy and understanding for you. Although such situations are an important part of life. We are all vulnerable, and the worst thing we can do is to try to suppress or “defeat” our vulnerability.
Brene Brown gave an amazing TED talk on vulnerability (The Power of Vulnerability), please check it out. She explains why vulnerability is so important. She goes as far as to say that “Vulnerability is the birthplace of innovation, creativity and change”.
Feeling weak and vulnerable is really sucks.
It sucks because you were made to feel weak and useless, and by extension, unworthy of love, whenever you felt vulnerable. You received a wrong message…
Actually I’m learning to stop thinking negative thoughts and allow myself to be weak and vulnerable.
It’s great that you have started doing that!
But when I tell myself that it’s okay to fail or make mistakes, my inner self denies it and tells myself that if you do this way, you can do better because you’re weak and that’s why it happens.
Your inner self is your inner critic, which is the internalized voice of your father. This voice pushes you to be strong, so you would be loved by your father. I think this is its main motivation.
If you start telling yourself a different story – that vulnerability is not a weakness, but in fact an asset and a precondition for a healthy personality – you might notice that this inner critic isn’t so loud any more…
I was overwhelmed by my own emotions and had panic attacks. I couldn’t even control my thoughts and forgot to tell myself I should stop. I guess I need more practice and can’t hope that I will change my mind in a short time, right?
Yes, it takes time and practice to tame our inner critic. You would need to develop a positive inner voice too, as a counter-part to the inner critic. It would be like an inner cheer-leader, or an inner compassionate parent, who has a lot of empathy and understanding for you, specially when you feel weak and useless. Have you perhaps gotten in touch with that voice too?
TeeParticipantDear aphroitte1,
you are very welcome. Wishing you a Happy New Year too, and an enjoyable New Year’s Eve, if you choose to go out and celebrate. Best of wishes, dear aphroitte1!
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