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You are right. Will keep talking to her. I have gone into relationships at times without taking the time to fully evaluate: that can lead to serious problems. There are times when I am glad to have never been physically intimate and all the complications it brings.
Heck, I have gone this long without a relationship, taking the time to learn more won’t be the end of the world.
Wouldn’t it be great if there were signs floating over everybody’s head that said yes/no? Maybe it does exist in some fashion and I am blind to it.
XenopusTexParticipantWasn’t thinking of finically helping at the moment. Just mentioned that I could.
You are probably right about me being smitten. Trying very hard not to go overboard. Have done that in the past, and don’t want to do it again.
XenopusTexParticipantRan into her again. She was really happy to see me. I talked with her about her daughter. Trying to show that I actually do have a caring side under the thick armour.
She was really, really happy to see me. Perhaps maybe she is waiting for the paperwork to get filed and done. Walked with her over to a meeting. Noticed how cute she is :).
It was strange. For that brief period of time, it didn’t matter that she is about a foot shorter than I am, that she has a child, or that she appears to have made a relationship mistake. It felt good walking down the street next to her and talking. I just don’t want to be in the same situation as with the previous woman.
I also don’t want to do anything that would jeopardize her position in finalizing the end of her prior relationship. Hopefully that will get taken care of fairly soon.
I could definitely ease her financial worries, etc., but don’t want to be seen simply as a cash cow. However, I don’t think she knows my finances, she could look up my salary if she wanted though.
Would mean a lot though to have a relationship with somebody as happy to see me as I am happy to see her. Unless there is some horrible secret hiding there, I could see her as being someone I could share the rest of my life with.
XenopusTexParticipantTrue. I just wish I knew more up front. That way could figure out what is or is not correct.
XenopusTexParticipantI agree with Anita’s analysis.
XenopusTexParticipantUnderstand the frustration/pain. I live in a small town, not a native of the area. But, as you have discovered, even being in a large city can still result in feeling lonely.
Perhaps there is still a part of you that seeks out those people because they are who/what you are familiar with. I have found that one can self-sabotage pretty easily. May not even consciously realize that you are looking for situations that won’t work.
Sounds like you never really got the chance to see a good relationship?
In some respects, you remind me of me a bit.
XenopusTexParticipantThe evaluation thing is where I seem to have issues along with trying to stay optimistic. Hard to tell if I make bad evaluations or kill things later. This isn’t like zeroing in a rifle. How do you separate out bad selection from killing off something later?
Was this last woman a bad choice maybe? Did I kill it by forgetting that she had a child at one point or being wrong with the time initially? Did she give up due to my schedule? Is she just waiting for the paperwork to be filed, and maybe there is nothing wrong? Based on my last discussion, is she unhappy about being out here and may go back home? Does she feel guilty/bad about unloading some of her story on me, because she was apologizing about it the first time?
It is hard to know what to fix/adjust without knowing how one got to a situation.
I tried being optimistic, letting her talk about things, etc., and nada. While I am not as smitten by her as I was the other one, I see long term relationship potential if she were interested. I really think that she has a lot of good qualities. I would be very happy if she wanted to go out, but can understand with the pending divorce thing, might look bad.
Of course, I don’t know the specifics of the break up either, so maybe I am being an idiot.
XenopusTexParticipantArguments against relationships:
1) getting burned- emotionally, financially, etc.
2) takes time away from other things
3) could lead to a repeat of the issues found in familyArguments for relationships.
1) companionship
2) self-actualization
3) love and the expression of love
4) possible financial and emotional growthOne of my problems throughout life has been a focus on the bad stuff and not so much the good. There are more good reasons than bad for a relationship. Just not sure why the no component is so strong. Kind of embarrassed by the realization that the position is likely rooted in fear.
38, soon to be 39, and afraid of something as simple as being with someone. Yeesh. I let fear control me for this long?
Perhaps maybe the reason I put in so many hours at work was because I was trying to avoid interactions/relationships/etc. not so lonely when working on projects, and felt good to be needed. When I would get home, would engage in diversionary activities.
Now, I realize how silly I was, and think of the opportunities I should have taken. However, still working on killing off that “no” voice. The “no” voice doesn’t really make sense in a general scope. Specific scope, yes. General scope, no. The “no” is more emotional based than logic based. Logically, yes wins, especially because no essentially means that I am incompetent in an area I have never fully explored.
I feel strongly about this last woman, and actually feel empathy toward her situation. Just a couple of weeks ago; she seemed happy and positive. Today she looked tired and glum, and expression I am familiar with. She used to like living out here, and today not so much. It hurt to see the change. I wish there was someway I could have brought back that happy person for the day.
XenopusTexParticipantWill respond to the other post when I have more time later tonight. I hope she didn’t pick up on he no component. Wonder if showing additional interest would help.
XenopusTexParticipantRan into her today. Asked to get together for lunch, talked with her about her daughter. She seemed more stressed today. Wondering if it relates to her family issues, etc.. Let her know that I would make time. We will have to see.
XenopusTexParticipantCouldn’t locate her today. Will try tomorrow. guess these issues may be the product of my conflicted mind. Need to silence the part of me that says no to relationships. What’s the old line about a house divided against itself cannot stand?
XenopusTexParticipantI agree with Inky. The more one hypes a product up, the more suspicious I become of it. Look at infomercials. If those products were really that great, would they need a carnival barker at 2:00AM? Or, Honest Bob’s Clean and Dependable Pre-Loved Cars… Stuff like that. Relationships seem like that as well. Who is he trying the hard sell to?
Note that there aren’t too many truly Fairytale any things.
As far as promotions, etc. go, most places don’t really care about such things as affairs. Heck, look at the past presidents: Jefferson, FDR, Clinton, etc.
Hard truth is that he chose to use you, and you were naive/smitten enough to believe that he actually cared. Harder truth is that he probably never “loved” you, but figured out how to manipulate you into getting what he wanted.
The question is, what are you going to do with what you learned?
XenopusTexParticipantThere is nothing that says you cannot be a powerful person as a woman. There are women political leaders, scientists, CEO’s, etc. And, like men, some of them are great at what they do and others aren’t.
You probably wouldn’t find it easier as a “man” because you aren’t one.
For example: I went to law school with a woman who was about 4’10” and weighed about 75 pounds if you put a diving belt on her. Smart woman, did well in school, and the last I knew of her, she had a good job in the legal field. Would she have become more powerful trying to be a 4’10” 75 pound man?
Embrace what you are. People make comments about things all the time. People can be crude. It is not a problem with who you are, it is a problem with them.
XenopusTexParticipantGot called to the office at 4:30am today. So much for rest, then spent time doing trial prep. Got an email who how people are too stressed to cover some of the stuff that I have going on in the office.
You are right that I need to get separation from mother. She’s now asking who I am calling, texting, etc. Really think that it is going to be me that moves, because I don’t see her actually moving. Not sure how that will look financially, but something has to give.
Will pursue that lunch date this week. You were right, I was thinking of all of the reasons why it wouldn’t work, and not why it would work.
I was thinking of the one big difference between my financial life/goals and relationship stuff. In the financial realm, I was thinking that I could do better than my family, in the relationship arena, not so much. Perhaps I should forgive myself for holding onto the self-sabotaging beliefs with regard to relationships.
Does it really matter if she isn’t the “ideal” height or family status? She seems really smart, and is well educated. Despite her recent apparent mistake of judgment, I would like to be in a relationship with her. At least she only made a mistake for a few years :p
Will try to take care of myself, eat better, etc. Read a decent chunk of the book emotional intelligence 2.0 today. Interesting book.
XenopusTexParticipantAnita, I am sorry, you are right. I had been responding without responding to your posts. I went back and re-read the thread.
You had asked if I was going to stay awake or go back to sleep. My objective is to stay awake. I have slipped a couple of times, especially when feeling overwhelmed.
With the new woman, I will locate her next week and talk.
You had asked what I meant by improving presentation. Lots of aspects to that. When I first started out here, I was impeccably dressed and even found an hour to hour and a half to hit the gym most days. As time went by, along with feelings of depression, I spent less time working out to the point of zero time, and became less picky about my appearance. Also working on improving my verbal and non-verbal communications.
Grabbing some sleep.
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