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  • #455412
    Robi1992
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    I’m still in Romania right now.. and still not sure when or if I will go to Warsaw.
    Indeed.. if only things could be simple and easy.
    These last weeks haven’t been easy at all.. Actually I’ve felt more and more confused and exhausted lately. These days I’m trying to be as quiet as I can.. I feel I need some quiet. All the arguments and conversations we’ve had in the last weeks are now showing results – my body feels exhausted and my mind feels foggy.

    So I’ve decided to tell my girlfriend that maybe we can text each other but not call for a few days. We’ve been arguing and blaming each other for so many things in the past couple weeks that I have no more room for anything. Tomorrow I’m having an online job interview for a job I don’t even want – in Warsaw. Of course It’ll be good for my financial independence and it would help me stay there with my girlfriend.. but I don’t even know if I still want that to be honest. I mean.. I do want to get a better job and make more money so I can stand on my own feet but I’m not so sure about being with her anymore. I feel like I’ve tried so hard and I gotta change so many things in my life for things to work but she doesn’t really want to put much effort into it.. I feel like I’m on my own. And.. so does she. She feels like I’ve blamed her too much for not being more committed to our relationship. And I did.. I told her that I’m tired of not being a priority to her. I always put her first but she couldn’t. She always prioritised spending time with her mother over spending time with me.. Although I’ve moved to her country and found it so hard to live there. Still, I feel I ended up sacrificing so much in order to see her giving as little as possible. I feel like these dynamics leave no space for a relationship. I know that my own struggles don’t help either.. and I might not be ready for a stable, healthy relationship.. but neither is she.. and from her side I haven’t seen much effort to change anything.

    Anyway.. I don’t want to start ranting about it.. it makes no sense. These days I’m just trying to sit with my emotions and leave all distractions aside. I don’t know what I’m going to do. These last weeks seem to bring out so much uncertainty and very little clarity. I feel I need to sit down a little, stop stressing out about making everything work.. and just be for a moment. I’ve been so damn stressed lately. Of course I feel a little guilty for not calling her, for not being more chatty.. but to be honest I don’t feel like talking to her at all. So I won’t – until I feel like it. I feel I’ve been giving so much.. and I got tired.

    There’s probably a lot more to come out but I lack the energy to write anything that makes sense..
    You asked me about the coaching session – how do we mirror each other. Well, both of us depend on our parents. I depend financially and she depends emotionally. I challenge the relationship she has with her mother – because I feel that the way her mother is omnipresent in her life makes things very difficult for us to be together and have intimacy. She challenges the relationship I have with my parents – them supporting me financially – which also makes having a relationship very difficult.
    I guess you get the picture..

    I want to write again these days.. once I get more energy going..

    Take good care of yourself Anita!
    Thanks for writing 🙂
    Robi

    #455419
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Robi:

    Interesting, you started this thread on Feb 18, 2024 and we talked on Feb 23, exactly 2 years ago. On this day (2 years ago), you got a job interview in Spain for March of that year.

    Not very long ago, really.

    As to what you shared today (Mon night, your time), I can understand your frustration in regard to your girlfriend. You wrote something to the effect that you’re exhausted and may not make sense, but truly, to me, you make perfect sense. The way you present the conflicts with her sounds fair to her, objective, seeing 👀 both sides’ validity.

    As I 👀 it (I’m using my 📱, and when I do, all these emojis show up and I can’t help but click on them, and sometimes I ask for them), the fact that (it seems to me), she’s enmeshed, or emotionally fused with her mother, is a big problem because it means that.. if you choose the daughter, you also choose the mother 😱 ?

    Is she at all troubled by her emotional dependence/ enmeshment with her mother?

    Of course, ongoing arguments 🙄 are not considered the basis of a healthy relationship.

    I am curious about what an argument 🤔 between the 2 of you looks like, like who starts it, what does she say, what do you say.. and I wonder: in what specific, concrete ways do you need her to be invested in you (which she is not)? Is it that she’s not willing to pay all of the rent until you are able to contribute?

    And I understand you may be too exhausted 😩 to answer this.

    Which brings me to the thought 🤔 that a relationship should Energize 🔋, not Exhaust.

    Hope to read from you soon enough. I wish 🤞 you Clarity and the Energy 🔋 that accompanies clarity.

    😱👀🔋🌙 Anita

    #455421
    Thomas168
    Participant

    Sorry for interrupting, I see this as an issue between partners. You have a need for your girlfriend to become bound to you. To follow your boundaries and desires. That is natural. A man wants his woman to be a part of his life. For her to show that she choses him on a daily basis. And of course, a man needs to bend and not break in order to keep and maintain a decent relationship with his girlfriend. In a modern world where woman have many more choices than before, men need to be able to understand growth take time. Establish the love first. Make sure that is real enough. Then go about talking the needs of each person. Find out if they are compatible.

    I can see turmoil in a decision to head into this relationship. Go for an interview for a job in another place near her. You want to know that she will return the love you show by moving somewhere you do not believe you will have an easy time establishing yourself. That it is worth the effort. The only thing I can say about that is that you can not control another person. You can’t make them change. If you find you two do not want the same things then hanging on will only hurt more later. However, you can only change yourself if you really want to be with her. There is a song going thru my head now. By Roxette, the song is “Listen To Your Heart” Feeling very melancholy.

    Human feelings are such a strain on the soul. I hope you find out what exactly you want and if you can get that from your girlfriend. If you can change to be what she needs and be happy about it. When I met my wife, I was very tired of being alone. So, when a fight would start, I just stopped and told her I don’t ever want to fight. In the 30 years we have been together. We have fought twice. I bent the knee to keep the marriage together. I give and I take. Can’t say it was easy. But, after years, we just grew into what we have now. Good luck.

    #455422
    Thomas168
    Participant

    If I am out of line then please just ignore me.

    #455431
    Robi1992
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    Interesting, you started this thread on Feb 18, 2024 and we talked on Feb 23, exactly 2 years ago. On this day (2 years ago), you got a job interview in Spain for March of that year.

    HMMM! This is crazy isn’t it? What do you think of that ?:)) Why do you think these things aligned like this?

    Anyway, I’ll get back to you later on. I’m having the interview in one hour and a half and I’m going to take a little walk. My energy levels are not very high and I feel some resistance in me. Of course I don’t feel like taking a job I have no interest in.. But let’s see how it goes.

    Stay in touch
    Robi

    #455439
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Robi:

    How did the interview go? I understand your heart not being in it because you’re not at all sure about your girlfriend.

    I hope to hear back from you soon!

    ⏲️ Anita

    #455448
    Robi1992
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    Just watched a film, feeling a little better now. One of the newer Woody Allen’s.. You like his films? I guess he stopped making films.. he must be 90 something these days..

    The interview went well, better than expected. The whole thing left me energised and feeling quite light. I thought I would feel drained. I actually felt much better after that.. spent most of the day outside in the sun, fed some cats and drove around a little.

    You asked me about the arguments I’ve been having with my girlfriend… Well… they very often have the same starter.. The fire starter! like the Prodigy. ( never drive a car listening to that band .. make you do crazly things ).
    Of course, it’s the relationship with her mother. It’s the main topic. Somehow we almost always end up arguing about that. Somehow, all roads seem to lead there… :))
    Its usually me saying something, maybe even casually.. Something like..
    “ Should we have coffee at that nice corner place later on? “
    “ Ah.. I told my mum I’ll be spending some time with her. “
    And then I would make one of my usual faces. Something like.. “ here we go again “. Yes, okay sometimes I roll my eyes a little.. but I’m so damn fed up with always hearing the same thing.
    “ I see.. OK. But.. you live with her.. don’t you spend time with her every day anyway?”
    And from there, things just.. explode. She lets out all those thousands of times I said something on the topic – which she bottled up very, very tightly. Boom. From that point she’s mad that I’m again criticising her relationship with her mother, and I’m pissed off because in 4 and a half years nothing has changed there and here we are again, having the same conversation.

    The thing is I’m just done feeling like there isn’t enough space for me. There has never been space for me. I know .. right? But this.. this is different. When I met her in Spain I thought we will build something together.. and I knew it wasn’t going to be easy. I knew things won’t be easy.. even while growing up. Something had told me that I’ll be facing a lot of challenges and harmony won’t be earned cheaply. I entered this relationship knowing there’s a lot I’d have to be working on and when she told me my relationship with my parents isn’t serving my growth I couldn’t agree more with her. She was right.. and I accepted that. I’ve decided to try to work on it. Although I’m not too happy with my progress, I know I’ve done a lot. Somehow I thought I’d see her do some work too.. Because I thought there is some to be done as well.. Perhaps I was wrong. But was I?

    Ok..I know. I should give you a little more context.

    What was I saying earlier.. I constantly feel like there isn’t space for me. I constantly feel like I’m being put in the same basket with her mother and the 2 of us ( me and the mother ) are being carefully balanced so each one of us gets a fair share of time, space, interaction. This sounds silly, I know. But the thing is.. I don’t want to be put in the same basket with anyone. Her relationship with her parent and our romantic relationship have absolutely no reason to be that close. Actually, they need distance from each other, they don’t need to be fused together. I don’t need her mother to be everywhere and in everything and often I feel that’s the case.
    If we are somewhere out, she’s texting her mother, calling her, there’s always something. And the more it happens, the more evident it becomes.
    When we are in her flat.. let’s just say.. we’ve decided ( me and her ) to go buy some groceries.. half an hour tops. Once we are ready to leave, there’s like a ritual going on. Her mother gives her a long hug while they whisper something to each other’s ears. In the mean time I’m unlocking the door and wait. Once they are done I just say goodbye to her mother and both of us leave. While we are walking towards the elevator her mother watches her, until we reach the elevator and the elevator doors open. They say goodbye once again. Once we get outside the building her mother already reached the balcony window and she waves to her again. It’s always the same, the exact same. Even if she’s only away for a few minutes.
    Once we are back, there’s another ritual. They do it all again, only this time they do it backwards!
    No.. I’m joking :)) Well, I’m only half joking…

    I remember talking about my girlfriend to a therapist during my therapy session… and I briefly mentioned that my girlfriend has a close relationship with her mother. I didn’t even get into details.. and the lady says to me:
    What makes you think she’s going anywhere?
    Back then I thought she was going to move to Spain with me.
    I thought… maybe I’m missing something. That was a couple of years ago when I did think she wouldn’t leave her mother’s flat.. but I thought I’m making a bigger deal out of it than it actually is.

    So I confronted her about this many times… I told her how I felt.. I told her that I didn’t feel like a priority to her..
    And.. well yes.. I blamed her for it. I told her I’ve done so much for us to be together, I moved to Poland ( more than once ) in order to be with her.. in a country I didn’t like, language I didn’t speak, I had no friends, I had no job. But I thought its worth it.. because our relationship was more important than all those other things.
    But then I realised for her, moving out of her mother’s flat in order to be with me wasn’t an obvious thing. I also realised I wasn’t really her priority.
    When I moved to Poland, I found a place for us to live, something I can afford and also had great confort and space. I managed to pull some strings and rent a nice house from a guy I met in Warsaw for a good price. We had a great space, a garden, a gym. But guess what, she choose not to be there full time with me… she chose to live half of the week with her mother. She said the because she works from her flat ( she has also a Yoga studio running there, in her mother’s flat ) she couldn’t travel for 40 minutes via bus 3 days a week when she had classes there. So we didn’t live together 100%.. That didn’t feel right.. because I feel I’ve made a big effort for us to be together. I didn’t feel like she made us a priority. I moved countries but she couldn’t take 40 minutes a bus ride 3 times a week. So half the time I was on my own.. which wasn’t completely bad. It’s nice to have some alone time.. sure. But I felt like.. well.. What am I doing here.. in Poland? Why am I here while my 39 years old girlfriend prefers living with her mother instead of living with me.

    Anyway… recently she visited me in Romania.. I’ve been here for many months already. Last month… we spent one week in Cluj. I decided not so stay here and rent an AirBnb there. Although there’s space here I wanted us not to stay in my parents house. I think it’s time to stop playing house in our parents house and try to move on to something that serves both of us better.
    Of course.. we ended up arguing about the same thing. She’s been writing to her mother every hour – from morning to evening. Since I’m a watch enthusiast it wasn’t very difficult to come up with this accurate conclusion.. I just had to glance at my wrist every time she pulled out her phone. I’ve never done anything like that before.. but this time I thought.. Ok.. let’s see how often do they actually text each other.
    Don’t get me wrong… it’s not that I have something against her talking to her mother… or anyone else. It’s just that after seeing all that, so often, it always hits me in the same way – This will not change, she will be wherever her mother is.. and if I want to be with her.. so will I. And.. I don’t want to be wherever her mother is. I want us to be wherever the fuck we want to be. I’d like us to be a couple – not a bunch of kids who meet in their free time and go back home by dawn. Fuck that.

    And I told her.. of course. We live apart.. haven’t spent much time together in the last more than 6 months and although we only have a week.. there she is writing to her mother evert hour. She was going back to her in a couple days anyway.

    So… yeah… I don’t know. Maybe you think I’m an asshole for criticising her like that. And.. maybe I am. That’s fine. But this is just how I feel… And I know I shouldn’t have told her all these things so often.. I must’ve told her hundreds of times.. Wrong thing for me to do. Perhaps I should’ve just left.. or stayed.. when I was in Spain.
    Some say all this is here to teach me something. Sure.. I agree. But I’m so damn tired. I thought I needed to be well rested in order to learn anything.

    This is longer than I wanted it to be.. as always. If I knew then, when I met her… that I’ll be moving to Poland to live with her and things will end up like this… well.. not sure If I’ve would’ve done the same thing.

    Oookay. I might even have a glass of wine. I’ve recently decided I can have some alcohol on occasion. I’ve become too healthy and too boring!

    Take good care of yourself Anita,
    Thank you!
    Robi

    #455450
    Robi1992
    Participant

    Dear Thomas168

    I’ve read your post yesterday and I’ve been thinking about it since. Thank you for your words and support!
    I am trying to ” listen to my heart ” and the truth is.. there’s a lot of fog around everything and I’m not sure.
    She’s been really good to me.. but both of us have to work on many things in order for this to work better.. and I’m not sure we still have the energy to go through all that.
    I keep asking myself.. what if we are not really meant to go further. Maybe we’ve learned all there was from each other and now it’s time to move on. But it’s hard to move on.

    As you said.. I’d like her to choose me on a daily basis.. but I don’t really see that happening.. and I’m not sure If I should wait any longer..

    You have a good day!
    Thank you:)
    Robi

    #455452
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Robi:

    I’m looking forward to reading and replying Wed morning. I hope you sleep 😴 well (after midnight, your time).

    🤍 Anita

    #455457
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Robi:

    I read your recent posts tonight, earlier that I intended.

    You say she’s 39?

    Looks like an emotionally incestuous relationship with her mother (who is in her 60s?)

    Your girlfriend is.. 25 years late separating from her mother.

    Sounds like a love story of 2 women, one having birthed the other.

    Please tell me if I’m off 👣 track.

    I am guessing her mother doesn’t have “adult” relationships with others? Like she made her daughter her friend, her confidante, ever since her daughter (your girlfriend) was a child/ an adolescent?

    I am guessing her mother is invested in her daughter having an.. unworkable relationship with a man (you), such that will not threaten The Relationship (hers, with her daughter)

    So, you provide a function for her mother: a non- threat?

    You moved to Poland, arranged for a place for the two of you, and she chose (or was chosen) to spend half of the time with her parent-partner?

    I’d say, RUN, Robi, run 🏃‍♀️, because no matter how lovely your girlfriend may be on any one day, or night, you need a woman who is not OWNED by her mother.

    Please 🙏 tell me your thoughts about this input.

    🤍🌙😱 Anita

    #455471
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Robi:

    To add to my last night’s stream of consciousness, full of questions reply, in regard to Woody Allen, I used to LOVE his movies, great fan but stopped watching him/ his movies when he married his partner’s (Mia Farrow’s) daughter who was around 21-22 when their romantic relationship became public, being 35 years younger than him (and who knows when their sexual relationship started, before it became public).

    You wrote yesterday, “There has never been space for me. I know .. right?… I don’t need her mother to be everywhere and in everything and often I feel that’s the case. If we are somewhere out, she’s texting her mother, calling her… Her mother gives her a long hug while they whisper something to each other’s ears.”-

    I’m thinking that maybe you do carry a sensitivity carried from childhood, for not having space BUT her too-too-too close relationship with her mother would bother anyone.. well, it bothers me just reading about it. They “whisper something to each other’s ear”- it’s like your girlfriend is already married, like her mother is in the center of her mind/ her life, and you are in the margins.

    I am sorry, Robi. I can see why it’s been so draining to you 😞

    Before I go, I copied the last post you addressed to me and without adding any of my thoughts, nor adding anything else you ever shared, I asked AI to analyze your girlfriend’s relationship with her mother as well asking how that relationship would affect any man wanting to build a life with her. Here’s the answer:

    “It sounds like your girlfriend’s relationship with her mother is extremely fused, to the point where there’s almost no emotional or practical separation between them.

    When a parent and adult child stay that tightly intertwined, it can make it very hard for a partner to build a life with them, because there’s no real space for the relationship to grow on its own.

    The constant texting, the rituals before leaving the house, the need to check in every hour, and the difficulty she has spending full time away from her mother all suggest a bond where the mother remains the central figure in her life, even above the relationship.

    That kind of dynamic can leave any partner feeling like a visitor rather than a priority, because the parent-child connection takes up the space where a romantic partnership would normally develop.

    It doesn’t mean she’s a bad person or that she doesn’t care about you — but it does mean she hasn’t created the emotional or physical independence needed for a shared life with someone else. Anyone in your position would feel sidelined, exhausted, and unsure of their place, because you’re trying to build a two‑person relationship inside a structure that’s already built for two — her and her mother — with no room left for you.

    Her relationship with her mother appears so fused and boundaryless that it leaves almost no emotional space for a romantic partner. That alone can make a long‑term partnership extremely difficult, no matter how much love or effort the other person brings.”

    🤍 Anita

    #455476
    Robi1992
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    Indeed, both you and the AI describe exactly how I feel. Its good to see that I’m not exaggerating.. I always thought this situation would bother any other man not just me.. but every time I would say something about it (and that happened very often because it bothered me so much) my girlfriend would act like I’m imagining things.. like I make no sense.. like I’m telling her she a has a toxic relationship with her mother while none of that is true. To be fair I never said that to her.. I never said she had a toxic relationship.. it’s her who often says that when she gets mad. And I always reply: ” But I never said you had a toxic relationship… why do you keep saying that? “.

    ”What’s wrong with having a good connection with your mother? Most people don’t have that.. most people don’t get along well with their parents. ” – she would say.

    And.. I agree with her. Most people don’t have that.. and having a good connection with your mother is a great thing, I’m sure. But still, something in me feels like there’s something not quite right there.. something’s going on. As I said before, as you confirmed, even the AI confirmed – there is no space for me – because that seat is taken. And I told her that, many times.. but she doesn’t seem to get what I say. I think she actually does but its too difficult for her to accept it.. I often see her so frustrated because she knows I see her.. I’m triggering the painful spot.. I know.

    Now, I find interesting what you said. I read it earlier today and did some sprinting on the local football field. No one plays football anymore.. everyone looks at TikTok around here so I get my own private empty football field to do my sprits and workouts. Amazing! There I was, sprinting, resting, sprinting… and thinking about you telling me I should RUN :)). I am practicing. I should run probably.. I thought about it so many times.. I thought this is so ridiculous.. this whole thing..
    I thought.. she’s also waiting for me to get my shit together.. and maybe its only fair for me to do the same.. I mean, I’m not perfect either.. but I still feel deep unfairness.

    You are probably wondering – why would a 39 years old woman be so fused to her mother? That’s a very legit question. These things don’t just happen like that.
    So.. her father died when she was 10. The last years of his life were quite tough. He’s been cheating on his wife for years and treated his daughters pretty badly. Then he just died.. The guy had a hearth attack while banging his 25 years younger mistress. Some way to leave…
    They were living very well at the time but after his death they lost almost everything. There was no more big house.. no more money.. So they sold the big house and moved into a small flat – the small flat. They struggled a lot for many years.. her mother was deeply depressed and couldn’t work for years.. savings ran out..
    Her older sister moved to Moscow where she lived for more than 20 years now.
    The 2 of them were left together in the flat. Somehow they made ends meet. Her mother eventually managed to get a job but they always struggled financially. They’ve been through thick and thin as she often says. And I get it.. those are very difficult things to go through.
    Later on in her 20’s, she started working, doing her yoga and pilates classes and started earning money. She didn’t go for the corporate job, she went for the thing she liked even if that meant a lower income at first. She said she couldn’t have afforded doing what she likes and live on her own – so she decided to stay in the flat instead. She decided to convert one of their rooms into a yoga/pilates studio and do classes there. I mean, sure.. I get it. It makes sense. Depends how you look at it.

    But there’s also another angle. I sometimes ask myself – didn’t she just build her entire life around her mother? home, job, even romantic relationships ( the one before me and for a while, with me ). Before I met her she’s been in a longer relationship with a guy who lived there, with them – who never complained about these issues. But the guy didn’t want a relationship.. he only needed a place to crash and that was convenient for him. I’ve been told he didn’t have very high standards of living. That was a difficult relationship for her.. for different reasons. The guy was quite traumatised and had many issues..

    Now.. when I met her and moved there.. I noticed right away.. This is so strange.. how does this work? What’s going on here?
    So.. it didn’t take long until I started asking questions.. and since then we must’ve talked about it hundreds of times but it never took us anywhere. We always ended up arguing.. I felt bad for ”stepping all over” her life, home and relationship with her mother. She felt triggered and she kept telling me that I should focus on my problems instead.

    Well.. I was! But somehow this situation became more and more personal.. and that kinda makes it.. also my problem.

    These days I feel I cannot stand her mother. I just.. don’t wanna hear anything about her.. I don’t wanna talk to her. I’m just very irritated by her. I’m just not interested. There’s something almost repulsive about all this..
    I’m not saying Its okay for me to feel like this.. maybe it isn’t. Maybe I’m being very rude. Does that make me a bad person?
    Well.. maybe. But I’m ok with that. What is it that I’m supposed to change in me so I accept such things? Should I accept such things? Well.. I don’t feel I should at all. I often feel I just wanna tell her to go back to her f*cking mother and be with her instead. She doesn’t need a partner – I feel she already has one.
    Yeah.. I’m actually getting angry right now.. even though I’m listening to Jazz. Imagine if I listened to Prodigy.. I might’ve needed a new MacBook :))

    Now. Live has a very funny way of arranging things. These days I’ve been a little more distant. Well.. burned out.. therefore distant. So guess what? This morning she sends me a screenshot of her plane tickets to Romania and some AirBnb reservation she had rented for a few days. So we’ll be spending 4 days together next week in Cluj ( again ). She said she wanted to see where we are, and how we feel about each other. Sure.. I get it. She started feeling like I was losing interest in her. But what I find very interesting is this: she refused to pay rent for us to live together but prefers spending money on holidays with me instead. Hm.

    Now.. of course.. there’s a lot more I could write on the topic.. but It’ll cost me the rest of my days. And.. I’ve just realised my tea had gone completely cold. I forgot about it.. again. I always do that. I don’t know why do I even bother making tea..

    I hope I provided you with some context. I’m sure it all makes more sense to you now.
    Now I’m curious, what do you think?

    Oh yeah! Did I tell you I’ve dusted off my old photography equipment and I’m thinking about starting to shoot portraits again? I’ve got a bunch of pro cameras laying around, studio lights, umbrellas etc… I sometimes ask myself.. When I’ll be on my death bed will I be pissed off that I’ve wasted my potential?

    Perhaps there’s still time..

    Have a good evening where you are 🙂 I again forgot what time is is there in The Evergreen State.
    Stay in touch,
    Robi

    #455482
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Robi:

    It occurred to me, in regard to your girlfriend telling you that you should get your sh** together, that a man with a stable source of income, someone INDEPENDENT, wouldn’t put himself into a situation where he would become DEPENDENT (by proxy of his girlfriend or wife’s emotional dependence) on her mother.

    It’s a man like her ex who needed a place to crash or a man like you who’se not settled, who needs a place to stay in Poland, who would be willing to put up with dependency on her mother.

    So, she and her mother may reject an independent man and accept a dependent one, yet complain about him.

    The fact that she doesn’t seem disturbed over her emotional fusion with her mother-at 39- tells me a change is not likely to happen, at least not for as long as her mother is alive.

    I suppose that when her mother was depressed for years, your girlfriend tried her best to make her feel better, to take care of her emotionally (role reversal) and her mother rewarded her for it, so the role stuck.

    Mentally, your girlfriend may be her mother’s mother, and she’d be a bad mother if she was to abandon her child (her mother).

    As to why she’s willing to spend time on a holiday with you but not on living with you.. I suppose it’s okay with her mother that the two of you spend a holiday together, but it wouldn’t be okay with her mother (she’d be sad or hurt) if her daughter moved away.

    As I am typing, I am thinking of Role Reversal. Your girlfriend having a little girl (her mother) to take care of, to call her often when away, to keep reassuring that mommy (gf) will be back home soon.

    Yes, Copilot and I independently think that this situation will bother ANY man with any measure of mental health, and you are mentally healthy enough to be bothered by this situation 👍

    Congrats for dusting off your old 📸 equipment!

    🤍 Anita

    #455510
    Roberta
    Participant

    Dear Robi

    You have not had to go thru anything like what your girlfriend & her mother have been thru.
    To be betrayed & then lose a parent/husband, to lose your family home & live with a down turn & uncertainty over finances all in a relevantly short period is not something you recover from quickly or easily.
    Your girlfriend chose to do a less well paid job she loved rather than a job she hated, this was probably much better for her longterm mental health & happiness this takes a lot of strength & wisdom.

    Many years ago I too had a a LDR & it was me who had to pay & travel. Within a short time I noticed things that were red flags. I was glad that I didn’t quit my family home, job & spend serious money on getting tied up with this person.

    Maybe you two are not right for each other for whatever reasons, anyway I am glad that you have dusted off your photographic equipment to do something that hopefully you will enjoy & be inspired by.
    Roberta

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    anita
    Participant

    Dear Robie:

    You did go through a traumatizing childhood- not equal to your girlfriend’s, but no less harmful. Maybe it was worse than hers.

    So, it’s not that you are the fortunate one vs your unfortunate girlfriend.

    Her father betrayed her and her mother. Both your parents betrayed/ neglected you.

    What I am trying to say is that in this crazy 🤪 world, you deserve a bit of sanity, which is a man and a woman (you and a partner) joining forces for a better future for both, as a team.

    Not tied up/ enslaved by childhood patterns.

    You are not wrong, Robie. You are not unempathetic.

    You’re a man trying to free himself from old patterns: your mother, your father, her dead father, her living mother.

    🤍 Anita

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