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  • #419209
    Tee
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    Hi Adam,

    I told my psych that it hurts because she didn’t understand how I loved her and loved me differently. She replied and told me that my ex would also be feeling the same towards me, that I didn’t love her how she did. It was interesting and also hard to hear that.

    Yes, it’s typical that people with trauma require all their partner’s attention and care, because the wounded inner child is leading their life. Your ex behaved like a child, and all children are naturally selfish – they want their parents’ attention 100% of the time. Otherwise they wouldn’t be able to survive. So when we are children, that’s totally normal, but when someone behaves like that in their adulthood, it’s a problem.

    So don’t blame yourself for not being able to give her that kind of attention that a baby or a toddler requires from her mother. The fact that she was unhappy with the level of attention you gave her doesn’t tell anything about you, but about her insatiable demands, which are the result of her unmet childhood needs.

    I think when i just need a mental break it triggers my daydreaming a bit.

    And when do you typically need a mental break? Is it after you’ve spent a hard day at work, focusing on what you’re doing? Or perhaps when in a relationship and focusing all your energy on your partner, sort of watching you’ll say, paying attention not to offend her (like it was with you ex)?

    Smoking does as well. Movies and just media in general can trigger a feeling of wanting to daydream. They can last maybe between 5 – 15 minutes. When I was a teenager, I would go on walks to allow time for my daydreaming.

    Do you remember what triggered it back then? Was it also mental fatigue?

    I really felt ready and like she was going to be the one for me. She fueled my fantasies with her comments too. I had that fate and destined feeling straight away with her.

    Yes, you felt ready and you wanted to find a girl to settle down with. It was a strong desire in you. When she told you that she too wants to settle down and be your wife, no wonder you felt over the moon. You thought you’ve found “the one” – something you’ve been dreaming of ever since you were a teen.

    I think that’s why it felt destined. Because everything fell into place, you believed. You thought your dream was finally coming true. And that’s why you tried so hard to make it work, even if you suffered abuse in the relationship. Because you wanted it to succeed at all costs.

    Now I’m worried it will return if she reaches out at any time, and it probably will still be there for a long time. I think it has to do with me being too readily available at times and giving people my all straight away.

    With her, you definitely did give your all straight away. Have you experienced it in other relationships too? (perhaps friendships?) Because in your previous romantic relationships, you didn’t really give your all at first (you were avoidant).

    I am even worried about getting this destined feeling with anyone not just her as I feel like it had made it so much harder for me this whole time.

    Well, if what’s driving you is a desire to settle down and start your own family, and this desire is very strong and pervasive, then it could indeed cloud your judgment and make you cling to people like your ex, even if they’re not good for you.

    I feel stuck in limbo still. This week has been much harder than last, I feel as I’m getting worse with time. Work is being affected and I’m very unmotivated, so I am going to take some time off soon.

    I’ve noticed fluctuations in you – some days you’re more hopeful and upbeat, others you’re more daydreaming and having thoughts of getting back together. I think this is normal in the aftermath of this very painful breakup. Please know that it’s normal that sometimes you feel better, sometimes worse. But you will get through this eventually, because you’re doing all the right things.

    It’s a good idea to get some time off of work, to recuperate. However, try not to use it for daydreaming and smoking weed, because that’s what’s going to make things harder. Being alone with your thoughts and feelings isn’t the best, I am afraid. Perhaps going for a vacation to a new place, a place you’ve always wanted to visit, would be appealing to you?

    I have really hoped anything would be different. My biggest hope since early teens was probably to get a girlfriend and then as I left school, I finally started getting them, but I still have not made it to 12 months with a partner. They always leave and it makes me feel like I am doing something wrong.

    Well, you’re still learning. You said you weren’t that eager in your first relationships and that both of your exes left you because you were avoidant. So in those relationship you were probably doing something wrong – you were smoking and didn’t care much about them.

    Perhaps you sort of sabotaged those relationships because you both feared and longed for a relationship at the same time. So it might have been an inner conflict, which made you wishy-washy about the relationship.

    But with this girl, you were ready and you decided to give it your best.

    There was a trend where I was always questioning myself with all my exes and my last relationship was the worst for this. She told me once during an argument that something is wrong with me and it really hurt. It made me feel like I was in the wrong and the cause of all issues and arguments.

    Yeah, that’s hard to hear. You were trying your best, you gave her a lot of attention, you were caring and supportive, you were there almost 24/7 for her, and yet it wasn’t enough. As I explained above, the fact that she wasn’t satisfied with you is not your fault – it’s her own trauma wounds. So don’t take it to heart. Don’t take it to mean anything bad about you. Because it wasn’t your fault.

    I tied everything about our futures together and that’s what I always told her. My priority was my future together, so it’s our future. She would see this as her not being the priority in the moment. She was never able to envision the future like I did.

    Because she wasn’t really on board with being a wife and mother, I believe. She was too immature for that. She herself was so extremely needy – how on earth would she be able to meet a child’s needs properly? She might have told you in the beginning that she’d be your wife, because that’s what you felt so strongly about and she wanted to please you. But her heart was never in it. In fact, I bet she was actually afraid of such a task. Because women with trauma and unmet childhood needs often feel very scared and incompetent of being mothers themselves.

    What she wanted from you is 24/7 care and attention in the moment, and no expectations about the future. If my assumptions are right, she wasn’t on board with being your wife, simply because she felt incapable of it. But perhaps she never articulated it. And so you kept hoping and pushing for your dream, which wasn’t actually her dream too.

     A week before we broke up it was her sisters birthday, there was a massive argument when they went out for dinner because he didn’t get the right sauce. It reminded me of my ex in a way, like he didn’t get what he wanted so now everyone has to suffer despite being a birthday celebration and it ruined the night. My ex told me he actually said “this is why I didn’t want to go out, because it always ends in an argument”.

    Haha, yeah, it always ends up in an argument because he is the one causing arguments! But he didn’t want to admit it, and kept blaming everyone else. Yes, he doesn’t seem like a positive person. He is probably having anger and rage issues, but is blaming others for his explosive behavior. Your ex also wasn’t able to admit her own mistake but was rather blaming you. So perhaps there is a similarity there.

    I think all this trauma, unresolved mental health, no desire for therapy, reducing medication without guidelines, no work for nearly 6 months or general direction in life, small friend group who weren’t always a positive influence just to name a few things. One of these by themself is enough to damage a relationship I feel. It was a whole concoction of what I just listed. I just want to be done with all this but I am struggling to do what’s best for myself.

    That’s an excellent summary, Adam. You are seeing it very well. It’s good you’re aware that she wasn’t in a good mental space at all to have a healthy long-term relationship. And you’re working on letting her go. But it’s a process, don’t rush it. You’ll get there.

    But as I said, make sure you don’t spend too much time alone, smoking and ruminating. Rather, if you take some time off, take a vacation and get to some new vistas. If you have good friends (or one good friend), you might go together with them.

     

    #419234
    Adam
    Participant

    Hey Tee,

    I am trying not to blame myself, I think I am just caring too much now about how she is and what she is doing. When she is obviously not caring about me so that puts it into perspective a bit. She actually mentioned last time that she blocked it all out but then it all hit her. I know in the future I’ll be fine and I’m already getting closer to that feeling. She has a much longer journey than I do but like her, I shouldn’t be caring right now.

    I wouldn’t say fatigue, more something I enjoyed back then, now it feels like it’s more of a distraction at times.

    I really did feel over the moon from everything she said, especially earlier on, I think that’s the feeling I’m chasing again and again with her. Before the last 2 break ups, which were the worst and longest, she was bringing up future, family marriage etc a lot more compared to after the break ups. I feel like I was gas lit.

    I have never been so committed in a relationship like that. It’s not so much a desire for a family but more so a partner.

    I honestly do feel like I sabotaged those relationships a tad. I also get like towards the end I was doing it with this one. Maybe the last week or 2. Overall I did give my best though.

    Yeah I think it did scare her, she was in no position to even be thinking about kids without work. She just started studying youth support work which I encouraged but always thought how is she managing that when she doesn’t have her own self in order.

    It’s definitely a long process but I know I’ll get there. I’m writing goals etc and trying to bring more discipline into my life. I am just dwelling on everything too much and I can’t seem to put it too rest so I’m teaching my brain to use accept it for what it is and let it be. I am over analyzing now. As I said earlier she doesn’t care so that should be a good enough reason for me not too.

    #419275
    Adam
    Participant

    I thought I would add to my last post.  The first 2 serious relationships of mine seemed a lot more positive now I look back on them but I didn’t feel like they were my type, not as laid back. However my first girlfriend has stuck with me throughout the years in thoughts etc. the psych told me it’s normal to think of exes even if it’s more than you’d like when in a relationship. However I thought about her more as time went on with my ex, maybe it has to do with how bad things were getting and a part of me was missing someone who treated me better and was more reasonable and rational.

    I went to high school with this girl but we dated years later, being my first girlfriend also maybe it is why certain things she said stuck with me. The main thing being what I said on an earlier post – “I should’ve fought earlier” so now I feel like I always fight straight away. Strike while the irons hot is what I believe. Although I do push it too far and probably don’t give exes enough space after break ups.

    Another thing that really stuck with me is how I broke up with my first girlfriend and I’m not sure if it has any significance. Basically she was also withdrawing off her medication and was in a bad spot as well, however I was smoking and doing other drugs at the time so my head was very clouded and foggy. I didn’t understand she would need help and I wasn’t fully in the relationship mentally from my memory. So my first break up was during my partners withdrawals too. Anyway the night it happened she called me crying saying come over and I said okay I can, however she said don’t come if you’ve smoked. I had finished work and already was stoned by that point. After a little argument she left me. What was so confusing for me though was when we spoke again after no contact she said something to me along the lines of “I know I said don’t come if you smoked but you should’ve just come anyway, I called you crying asking for help!”.

    As I said I’m not sure if any of this means much but it was just a few things that have always lingered on my mind throughout relationships especially. Now I think of it a lot of these relationships with my exes have similarities.

    #419276
    Tee
    Participant

    Hi Adam,

    I wouldn’t say fatigue, more something I enjoyed back then, now it feels like it’s more of a distraction at times.

    What were you daydreaming about? Having a partner? You don’t need to give me any details, I am just curious about the main theme of your daydreams.

    I really did feel over the moon from everything she said, especially earlier on, I think that’s the feeling I’m chasing again and again with her. Before the last 2 break ups, which were the worst and longest, she was bringing up future, family marriage etc a lot more compared to after the break ups. I feel like I was gas lit.

    Yes, it seems she wasn’t really sincere when she told you see shares your vision of the future. It could be that in the beginning she agreed with you, because she didn’t want to lose you. But my guess is that she wasn’t ready to settle down, she was still searching for herself, perhaps. She just enrolled college, you also said she wanted to travel (instead of seeking therapy) – this all seems like someone who is still in the process of seeking/discovering themselves.

    In the beginning of our conversation, you said:

    she said I was her best boyfriend, her rock, her best friend etc and wanted me in her life so it is giving me expectations that she does want me as a lifelong partner only that she may not have been ready for it

    It could be that she liked you being her protector and her “rock” while she was searching for herself, being a “free spirit”, making necklaces, collecting shells, having no job… it’s like she wanted you to be her perfect father, while she is playing in the sand, perhaps?

    She wanted you in her life for playing that protector figure, however not for having adult expectations on her.

    However, you interpreted her loving words as to mean that she is on board with your plan of getting married and having kids. Just take a look at this sentence again: “she said I was her best boyfriend, her rock, her best friend etc and wanted me in her life so it is giving me expectations that she does want me as a lifelong partner only that she may not have been ready for it.”

    She might have loved you for being that rock and protector for her, but she might not have loved your expectations about the future. Not that there is anything wrong with those expectations (we talked about it: you have the right to expect certain things from a girl you want to marry). It’s just that she wasn’t the right girl to expect it from.

    In the beginning she might have seemed like she is on board with your plan, because as I said, she didn’t want to lose you (because you were so good in the role of her protector). But as the time went by, she probably felt more and more resistance towards that plan and in general, towards you trying to nudge her to get her life in order. She didn’t like that part of you (the part who has adult expectations on her). She only liked the unconditionally loving protector father figure, who lets her “play in the sand” and has no expectations on her.

    I am trying not to blame myself, I think I am just caring too much now about how she is and what she is doing. When she is obviously not caring about me so that puts it into perspective a bit. She actually mentioned last time that she blocked it all out but then it all hit her.

    Well, you may care for her and have compassion for her. But she is not your daughter and you have no responsibility for her well-being. She’ll figure it out. She has her whole life in front of her to learn and heal, at her own pace. So don’t feel responsible for her feelings and her well-being. You tried to play that role, and it turned out badly. Now it’s time to let her go figure out her life on her own. Your task is to figure out your own life.

     As I said earlier she doesn’t care so that should be a good enough reason for me not too.

    Well, maybe she would like to have you back in the role of “unconditionally loving protector who has no expectations on her”. But would you want to be in that role? Or you actually want an adult partner around whom you don’t need to walk on eggshells and who wants similar things that you want (settle down, marriage, family)?

     

    #419294
    Adam
    Participant

    Hey Tee,

    The dreams can vary from things related to games, movies, sports. the dreams usually have famous people in them etc. For example I may daydream about playing in the NBA but it’s not actually me in the dream.

    I think she really believed that she could share that future with me at first but eventually it did change. Maybe the reality of it became too real and she didn’t want to take responsibility for her life knowing she wasn’t in a good spot for any of what we spoke about. It’s just really disheartening to hear stuff like that and actually believe it, it ruins your trust. Again I always go back to what she said – “Right now what I’d want is to be in your arms selfishly, I say selfishly because I know in the long run it will just cause more harm for the both of us”. It’s like she wanted it but knew it wasn’t right. That’s how I feel now also.

    I have been doing my best at trying to focus on my life. Keeping as busy as I can however I have been smoking a bit, planning on cutting down however I need take the steps to do it. It’s like I know how to be my best but I am afraid of taking the steps to start that. I’m sitting on the fence. Almost as if I’m scared to do this journey alone. I think this is another reason I want a partner, I want someone to grow with and show how much I can change and how good I can be. However I don’t do it for myself…

     

    I would want to be in the role of a partner who I don’t walk on eggshells with. I just wished it was her but in reality it’s not and I need to realise this. I am struggling too though.

    #419438
    Tee
    Participant

    Hi Adam,

    The dreams can vary from things related to games, movies, sports. the dreams usually have famous people in them etc. For example I may daydream about playing in the NBA but it’s not actually me in the dream.

    Okay, so is it like you being famous in those daydreams? (although someone else plays you, e.g. some famous actor or athlete?)

    I think she really believed that she could share that future with me at first but eventually it did change. Maybe the reality of it became too real and she didn’t want to take responsibility for her life knowing she wasn’t in a good spot for any of what we spoke about.

    Yes, very likely. It could be that in the beginning, she was thrilled to have met someone who is super supportive and caring, unlike her father and her exes perhaps. So she was over the moon and felt like she wanted to spend the rest of her life with you. But then the reality kicked in, and she realized you had expectations on her, and she didn’t like it… and she started to resist more and more.

    Again I always go back to what she said – “Right now what I’d want is to be in your arms selfishly, I say selfishly because I know in the long run it will just cause more harm for the both of us”. It’s like she wanted it but knew it wasn’t right. That’s how I feel now also.

    Well, it could be that she realized she can’t be the person you wanted her to be. She wanted to be “safe in your arms” – she wanted you to be her protector, who unconditionally loves and has no expectations of her. But she also knew that you do have expectations on her, which she wasn’t able or willing to fulfill. She knew that her position is “selfish” – not able or not wanting to change in the ways you expected it from her.

    In other words, I think she was aware that there was a big divide between you, and that you will never see eye to eye.

    It’s like she wanted it but knew it wasn’t right.

    Actually, I don’t think it means she wanted the same as you. I think it means she knew you’re not wanting the same thing. And that’s why she sort of knew it wouldn’t work.

    I have been doing my best at trying to focus on my life. Keeping as busy as I can however I have been smoking a bit, planning on cutting down however I need take the steps to do it. It’s like I know how to be my best but I am afraid of taking the steps to start that. I’m sitting on the fence. Almost as if I’m scared to do this journey alone. I think this is another reason I want a partner, I want someone to grow with and show how much I can change and how good I can be. However I don’t do it for myself…

    Okay, this sounds like you don’t feel good enough and you feel you need to change (I want someone to grow with and show how much I can change and how good I can be). This pain of not feeling good enough is causing you to seek ways to self-soothe and numb the pain. And one way is addiction.

    In the past you said you were addicted to weed and other drugs (I was smoking and doing other drugs at the time so my head was very clouded and foggy.) But when you met this girl, you decided to quit and become your “best self”. And indeed, you did your best. It could be that you wanted to prove to her and yourself that you can be a good person (I want someone to grow with and show how much I can change and how good I can be).

    It sounds like there is a part of you who believes he isn’t good enough. And this relationship was a means to finally prove the opposite. But since it failed, you are back with your pain (of not feeling good enough), and again in need to self-soothe…

    What do you think? Does this sound plausible?

     

    #419440
    Roberta
    Participant

    Hi Adam

    Now that you are away from an unsatisfactory relationship it is time for you to explore healthy ways of self soothing whilst you heal.

    You can use your daydreaming more as a positive  guided visualization meditation. There are many books that supply a different meditation for each day of the year if you are easily bored or if you wish to concentrate on giving up smoking weed (addiction) then a more specific program like the 12 steps might help.

    Also is there anything else other than being in a relationship that you would like to achieve or gives you joy in a positive healthy way?

    Try spending at least 15 minutes in a natural environment each day.  When ever I am in a city I look for a green space to help decompress me from the stress of being in a busy environment. In one town the closest space to me was a very small graveyard, but it still helped me become centered and grounded. At work I asked by boss if I could install a  small quiet space for myself & co workers in a unused area of the building & since it did not cost them anything they went for it. It was much appreciated by staff & residents alike.

    #419443
    Adam
    Participant

    Hey Tee,

     

    Yeh I guess you could say its like being famous. I enjoy dreaming about possibilities of other lives etc but in the end im happy with myself still.

     

    It really did feel like that at first, like she knew I was there and would be supportive. However as time went on it was like she was not receiving the support she thought she deserved even though I was there a lot. She wanted it to be only me and her and no one else. I did want the same but I needed independence as well. My own time.

     

    Was there a really big divide from what I have told you? I do understand there were differences but I didnt see it as a deal breaker similar to her. Ofcourse I am going to have some expectations when nothing changes after nearly 12 months.

     

    It definitely does sound possible. I wanted her by my side to grow as a couple and build the foundations of something strong, that was what i always told her. I know relationships are hard work and are never really perfect, I just wanted someone who will stick by my side during the tough times and when we may not agree on certain things. This was too much of an expectation though obviously.

    #419450
    Adam
    Participant

    Hi Roberta,

    The relationship was unsatisfactory however I can’t help but beautify it even after everything that has happened.

    I feel as though I don’t actually understand that this is a hopeless situation for me. It’s nearly been 3 weeks and I have felt like this since a week before the break up. I know it will take time I just feel like my attachment has barely changed over this no contact period. There are other things that bring me joy however at the moment there isn’t much. Seeing friends etc is even an effort. I am over analyzing everything to do with the break up still.

    I am trying to accept that it’s over and it’s for the best however I’m struggling to process it still. I don’t want to cling onto this hope anymore but I’m not sure why I can’t let go. In my head I’m waiting for her to reach out but I know that’s wrong as I can’t wait around for her. I feel like she will reach out still and be apologetic etc. but I know that isn’t good for me.

    Even after blocking her, returning belongings and so on I still feel connected and that it isn’t really over. Would you have any suggestions to help, besides giving myself some time?

    #419452
    Tee
    Participant

    Hi Adam,

    Was there a really big divide from what I have told you? I do understand there were differences but I didnt see it as a deal breaker similar to her. Ofcourse I am going to have some expectations when nothing changes after nearly 12 months.

    I think there was a big divide in terms of what you wanted from her, and what she wanted for herself. You wanted her to get a job and seek therapy so she wouldn’t be so moody and sensitive.

    She wanted to stay unemployed (at least for a while), heal on her own, and in the meanwhile, she wanted you to unconditionally accept and “respect” her moodiness and sensitivity.

    In summary, she wanted you to meet all her emotional needs: soothe her when she is feeling down, understand and accept her moods, and support her in her plan to wean off medication on her own. And not push her to seek either therapy or a job.

    You couldn’t accept it, because as you say, it had been almost a year and nothing changed. She was actually getting worse without her medication. But she didn’t want to be told what to do – she wanted to continue with her plan of “healing” on her own.

    You see? What she wanted for herself was very different than what you hoped she would do. That’s the big divide I am talking about.

    I do understand there were differences but I didnt see it as a deal breaker similar to her.

    Well, you didn’t want to break up with her, even after being emotionally abused. If you’re completely honest with yourself, nothing was a deal breaker for you. But I think she saw it more clearly, and those differences were actually a deal-breaker, if you ask me.

     

    It definitely does sound possible. I wanted her by my side to grow as a couple and build the foundations of something strong, that was what i always told her. I know relationships are hard work and are never really perfect, I just wanted someone who will stick by my side during the tough times and when we may not agree on certain things.

    Sure, a healthy relationship can help us grow, as we go through challenges and tough times together. However, when you say “I want someone to grow with and show how much I can change and how good I can be“, it has a different message to it.

    The message I am hearing is: “I am not good as I am, there is something wrong with me. But I can change and show you how good I can be.”

    It’s different than “I know I am not perfect, no one is, but I am willing to grow.”

    The first would be a message of someone with low self-esteem (“I am not good as I am. There is something wrong with me”).

    The latter would be someone with healthy self-esteem (“I am good as I am. There is nothing deeply wrong with me. I am open to improvement though, because no one is perfect”).

     

    I am bringing this up, Adam, because I think you might be suffering from low self-esteem, even though you might not be aware of it.

    One sign of low self-esteem is being prone to addiction. Because when we feel bad about ourselves, we want to soothe and numb that constant pain that we feel.

    Another sign of low self-esteem might be daydreaming about being famous. You said it’s almost like an urge, you can’t really stop it. And it gives you a relief for a while. It’s kind of an escape. And that’s typical for people with low self-esteem: to dream about being famous, because they feel that’s what will finally make them worthy.

    So this is the feeling I am getting about you – that perhaps you suffer from low self-esteem. I did mention it in the past, but you said that no, you do love yourself and feel good about yourself. But after talking to you more, I do believe there might be problems in that department.

    What do you say?

     

    #419454
    Adam
    Participant

    Hey Tee,

    Thanks for your replies you’ve been a big help for me!

    I understand the divide a bit more now. What you said about her seeing it more clearly. She definitely would be as she processed the break up before it happened. I think what I wanted for her was the same however the way I thought she should go about it was far different from the way she wanted to. Maybe to her I was someone who was getting in the way of how she wanted to heal.  She did say she didn’t ‘need me’. It was always to do with healing in the past break ups but this time she actually told me what the deal breaker was. And after you explaining it I understand more.

    I may suffer from a low self esteem. My mother, best friend and even my ex all said I am too hard on myself and I should be proud of my achievements and where I’m at after everything I’ve been through. I know I am hard on myself, I’m the first person to always admit fault and judge myself. I feel like I can’t switch it off at times but deep down I do love me. I think at the moment my self esteem is low and I’m depressed but in general I’m not. I am confident and comfortable in my own skin, I always told my ex this and I wanted her to have that feeling. I day dream a lot about games too not just fame. Sometimes they are about a movie I saw. I smoke to soothe at times yes and I think it what I’m doing at the moment. I plan on trying to cut down and stop. Last time we split I wasn’t smoking but it’s the same feeling only I get more distracted by smoking.

    I have been talking to myself a lot recently, I am trying to get into the habit of recognizing what the relationship really was. It’s still up and down,  work is hard and I can’t stop thinking about it at times. The urge to reach out is still there as well. I hope it ends soon enough.

    #419456
    Roberta
    Participant

    Dear Adam

    I tell beginner mediators that it takes  roughly as long to unpick/heal as it has being going on.It is more like an ultra marathon than a hundred meter sprint. So each time you ruminate or daydream on this relationship becoming something it is not, you are actually adding extra  unnecessary distance to the journey.

    A technique is to get a clear jar put some water in it  plus a bit of earth and a stick to stir it.

    When you think about this woman stir – the water becomes cloudy ( just like your judgement) You can hold it at arms length and  just watch it settle if another thought of her arises  re stir after a while you may recognize that this is hard work!  Eventually you will decide to put the jar down  and not pick it up after the first stir but watch the water clear from a comfortable distance. Thoughts arise and disappear without the need to cling to or repress them.

    Also look at Eckart Tolle talk on youtube about the painbody its very interesting and it gave me a different perspective on how to relate to  a certain aspect of my being.

     

     

    #419474
    Tee
    Participant

    Hi Adam,

    you’re very welcome!

    I think what I wanted for her was the same however the way I thought she should go about it was far different from the way she wanted to.

    Yeah, possibly. You both wanted her to heal. But you had different ideas of how to go about it. You said you did respect her attempt to wean off medication on her own and get over the “hump”. However, it wasn’t getting better at all, it was getting worse. So the hump wasn’t a hump, it became a permanent state of dysregulation and suffering. But she refused to try anything else…

    Maybe to her I was someone who was getting in the way of how she wanted to heal. She did say she didn’t ‘need me’.

    Well, I think she did need you in that protector role. She needed you to be on standby 24/7 and meet all her needs. But she also didn’t want you to have any demands or expectations on her. So perhaps her stance could be summarized as: “I don’t need you to tell me how to live my life. Just do what I ask of you and don’t complain.”

    I may suffer from a low self esteem. My mother, best friend and even my ex all said I am too hard on myself and I should be proud of my achievements and where I’m at after everything I’ve been through

    What is it that you have been through, if I may ask? Has there been a trauma that you went through?

    I know I am hard on myself, I’m the first person to always admit fault and judge myself. I feel like I can’t switch it off at times but deep down I do love me.

    Yes, you did say that all of your exes judged you. And because you’re quick to judge yourself too, you might have actually believed what your ex told you (that you’re not giving her enough attention, that you’re insensitive etc). I wonder how much you recognized her words as unjust accusations and how much you actually believed what she said?

    I think at the moment my self esteem is low and I’m depressed but in general I’m not. I am confident and comfortable in my own skin, I always told my ex this and I wanted her to have that feeling.

    There is a difference between self-confidence and self-esteem. Self-esteem is deeper: it’s a sense that you are worthy just because you exist. You don’t need to do anything to “earn” your worth. You are worthy just by being born.

    Self-confidence is when you feel good about yourself because of some skill, talent or outer achievement. You are confident that you can sing, for example, because you are a talented singer. Some people have self-confidence, but they don’t have self-esteem. Because they believe that unless they perform well enough or have certain achievements, they aren’t worthy enough.

    So I wonder if perhaps you do have self-confidence, because of your success in some parts of your life? (such as your career). But still, that you may lack a deeper sense of worth – a sense that you are worthy just because you exist? And that you don’t need to do anything to prove your worth?

    Because I remember after the last breakup (in March) you told me you felt bad not just because she left you as her boyfriend, but that you felt bad as a person, because she refused your help. If you felt rejected as a person, this tells me that you do have problems with feeling worthy, which would indicate low self-esteem.

    The relationship was unsatisfactory however I can’t help but beautify it even after everything that has happened.

    I feel as though I don’t actually understand that this is a hopeless situation for me.

    The urge to reach out is still there as well.

    This is just an assumption, so please don’t take my word for it. But what if your main hope is to prove your worth to her? Maybe you still hope that you can prove to her that you are a good person, and not a selfish and insensitive guy she might have accused you of? If that’s what motivates you, then it would make sense that you don’t want to give up and want to prove that you’re a good person, i.e. to prove your own worth.

     

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    Adam
    Participant

    Hey Roberta

    Thanks for your advice. It does feel like I ruminate on it a lot especially the last week or so.

    I will try this jar technique as I think I need reminders that my judgement is clouded, because it really is. One minute I’m loving her next minute I’m hating everything.

    I will have a look at Eckart Tolle tonight, thanks for your recommendations!

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    Adam
    Participant

    Hey Tee

    Your summary about it was good. It really felt that way, like if I say or do anything to unsettle her a bit then I wasn’t being a good partner to her. I think she didn’t like being told at all, she say me as condescending at times. Like I was talking down to her, this is where the similarities with her father came from I think.

    I won’t go into too much but I went to prison a few years ago when I was about 21-22. It wasn’t for long but it wasn’t fun either. When people go on about ‘what I’ve been through’ I think this is what they mean. However it’s something I don’t even think about anymore. I honestly forget it happened sometimes.

    I think I believed a lot about what she said. After our last fight I went outside to get some fresh air and I remember crying telling myself I’m a shit boyfriend and I should be doing better. She made me feel inadequate. After sometime I went back inside and she had no idea I was upset. She was already upset and I had to offer my comfort without showing how I was feeling. That’s how I felt at the time. I think I’m realizing now it was unjust accusations however I still feel like I lack in some departments from being told I am so often, but no one is perfect.

     

    You could be onto something there, maybe I do have a low self esteem. Back in March I really wanted to help because I could see she was in a bad spot, this time she didn’t show it as much. She seemed more bitter and resentful but I still want to help. You’re right I do feel rejected as a person not just a partner. The fact that I couldn’t even get broken up with in person after nearly a year is difficult. I know what I deserve though and it’s a lot better than what I got. I need to treat myself with that love though because I never really got it from her.

    It may have to do with proving my worth to her but I don’t think it does. I showed I’m not insensitive and I care. I made that very obvious, if she can’t see that then it’s her own issue that she needs to adjust, because she has unrealistic expectations from a partner otherwise. I spoke with my Mother about if I’m missing her or missing a partner. And I think I am genuinely missing her. After other break ups I missed the company of a partner but this time I actually miss this girl and I think it was my first true feeling of love. But in reality it wasn’t love.
    It could definitely relate to why I don’t want to give up though. I feel like I don’t want to give up because I just have this gut feeling, that destined feeling still. I think because we have gotten back together in the past so much I convince myself that it will happen again. I want her to reach out to me still despite everything that’s happened. However I also tell myself that I hope she doesn’t because I know if it’s too soon I’m not going to actually hear what I want from her and she most likely hasn’t changed. I am telling myself everyday that I really need to just let go. It’s making it difficult because she lives so close by and we did so many different things together that a lot of stuff reminds me of her and our time together. I drove past her place the other day when I was shopping, I almost wanted to see a new car there, like a new guys. It’s almost as if I want her to give me another reason to move on, but hasn’t she given me enough already?

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