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October 14, 2019 at 2:13 pm #317857AnonymousGuest
Dear cali sister:
With your PhD, with your education, you can get certified to get a good job anywhere in the U.S (and beyond, I bet)- so it is not a totally crazy idea if you do move to where your sister and brother in law are moving, after they settle. I know the relationship between the two of you has improved a lot and your sister does love you, as well as your brother in law. It will be okay, you will see! Enjoy nyc as long as you do get to live there!!!
No need to apologize to me for feeling any which way- unless you curse me of course, or something clearly aggressive- but no need to apologize otherwise, for ignoring parts of my posts (who doesn’t???) or being all over the place.
anita
October 14, 2019 at 5:16 pm #317871cali sisterParticipantYes that is true. But I moved here for me – so like you said. I will enjoy it as much as I can. I was feeling very emotional before. But with time .. let’s see how I feel.
You had asked me perhaps last week to make a list of things that I NEED. Could you please elaborate on this – and then I am really excited to make this list.
October 14, 2019 at 6:25 pm #317875AnonymousGuestDear cali sister:
I will look for the post where I asked you to list what you need and will elaborate tomorrow morning.
It is a good idea to take your time and figure out later if you will move or stay in fascinating nyc. No need to rush choosing now, no need at all. Your life circumstances as well as your emotional state can be different in a few months when they move, and it depends where they move to and other factors. One day at a time, as the saying goes.
anita
October 15, 2019 at 7:34 am #317929AnonymousGuestDear cali sister:
I looked for the post and found it on page 7, Oct 8. In that post I responded to what you shared right before, that you were angry that your sister chose a restaurant near your apartment building so soon after your NC for her birthday, angry that she showed her parents-in-law blown up photos of your parents, so soon after your NC. I quoted what you wrote earlier: “I am so sick of hearing that is what she needs. I need things too sometimes… Always having to deal with things for the sake of others… I say ‘oh no, I’m fine.’ I come off as cool and chill with it- when truly, I am hurting… it is my freaking turn to be protected“.
I then suggested that you “became even more clear and specific about those things that you need. Make a list maybe?”
Today, eight days after that post, for the purpose of elaborating, I ask you to elaborate on “it is my freaking turn to be protected”- tell me more what is behind this sentence, will you?
anita
October 15, 2019 at 8:07 am #317945cali sisterParticipantanita,
It is my freaking turn to be protected (I laugh as I read that because I remember how angry I was and wrote the word “freaking!”
What is behind this sentence: I feel that my life has been about protecting the feelings of others. My sister will speak of being the one who kept the family together and how she had to do so much work – but in reality this was me (this has been discussed in great detail with my therapist). How she spoke for years that she kept the family together undermined the trauma of my role, as indeed the keeper and the scapegoat. She left the house at 18, when I was 11. So, I spent much of my life growing up in the home without her. I had to protect my mother from my father. My father from my mother. My sister from what they said about her. My parents from what my sister said about them. Everyone told ME everything. I had to hear it all. All the bad. And in the end there was me. My thoughts, my feelings, my fears. They were not important. Everyone was too busy telling me their issues. No room for mine. I kept everyone safe. I made everyone feel better. I was always the “wise” one. My parents gave my sister no responsibilities (she would lie a lot, she was very messy, and was forgetful) – so if they ever went on a vacation, I was in charge of the home. I was always in charge. The protector. The protector of feelings, fears, the home. When it came to my worries, if I showed even a brief moment of emotion, I was yelled at. I was tagged as “the one who always has a problem.” I was called weak. And they would say, “we have too many things to worry about, stop burdening us with more.”
When I was young, I will NEVER forget this moment. I had severe OCD – horrible, obsessive thoughts with physical manifestations. I was so overtaken that I went downstairs and opened up to my father about it. I was in tears and I said please help me. He said (I can’t fully remember) but something along the lines of, “Don’t think those thoughts. You’re too young for stress. What do you think will happen when you are older.”
Protection. Never safe. It is my turn to be taken care of – and perhaps this is why I long for a man to come into my life. My turn for others to take into account my feelings and my past.
The reason my crush thing bothers me so much – is I just got it – it makes me feel vulnerable and unprotected. His behavior, like I wrote to you in email, tends to dictate my feelings of the day. This is not healthy. And I want to put an end to it. The external must stop affecting my view of life, of the day.
October 15, 2019 at 9:20 am #317961AnonymousGuestDear cali sister:
What you wrote makes a lot of sense. It fits with what I know. Start the list then- every item needs to be a short sentence, just that one need. Examples: food when hungry, fresh air when it is stuffy indoors, company when lonely (define what kind of company), time alone when distressed, and so on. (1.,2.,3…, a list)
anita
October 15, 2019 at 9:44 am #317965cali sisterParticipant1. protein and milk for breakfast
2. fresh air when it is stuffy indoors
3. candles for aura/peace
4. company when lonely – company that is not exhausting; company that I know well and do not have to explain myself
5. time alone when distressed with pup
6. meditation in morning and evening – can even be breathing exercises – max 3-5 min
This is all I can think of right now.
October 15, 2019 at 10:21 am #317977AnonymousGuestDear cali sister:
By the way, this morning I expressed to your sister the part I told you that I will days ago. I wrote to her that I think it is a good idea that she expresses to you (if she hasn’t so far) that she is proud of you for the NC choice that you make, for this huge step in your healing, that she respects you for making this huge step. (Also I didn’t read your email reply yet- don’t have a visual of my email while on tb).
Regarding your list of needs- good list, see to it that you indeed follow 1-6. Because you did establish NC almost two weeks ago (congratulations, once again!!)- you don’t need to deal with your parents. You still have your sister and there’s been plenty of conflict in the relationship with her.
What do you need from her in the context of time the two of you spend and will spend together?
anita
October 15, 2019 at 10:41 am #317983cali sisterParticipantanita,
I appreciate you doing that. Instead of telling me that – she copied and pasted to me this AM that you typed that to her. I responded saying that it’s best for us to not copy and paste our convos with you — that was the agreement, as you know. So, she hasn’t told me that herself. But pasted that you told her to. This is common behavior on her part. She would do the same with her husband. But that is her issue, not mine.
Thank you for the congrats! Every time I think of it, I feel a dark sadness and then it goes away. Never would I have imagined my life this way as a child.
Today she sent me some ground rules you two came up with. It is odd how she did it. Again, condescending in a way. Almost like – look anita said this so you have to do it. I told her what I need – esp for our trip that is coming up. See below:
1. no talking about others or their body types in a negative matter.
2. no talking about your own body type (she is very thin – and calls herself fat all the time, not protecting my own self esteem issues that I have since I have been called the fatter sister)
3. No talking about her friend S – who she sometimes obsesses over
4. Letting me decide what to eat and drink for myself (she tries to overpower me a lot and tell others what I like and do not like..disabling me from creating my own opinion)
5. No asking me if I’m ok constantly – her way of projecting her own anxieties on me and hoping to blame it on my behavior (example, if she isnt feeling well, she tends to irritate me to get me in a bad mood so that then she can blame her bad mood on mine)
6. no need to be overly friendly to others when we travel. she ignores her own thoughts or what I am saying and focuses rather on other people.
October 15, 2019 at 11:07 am #317993AnonymousGuestDear cali sister:
You and your sister are two precious individuals who had the misfortune of being born to a mother-from-hell, stating it in a simple way. Of course, the relationship between two siblings from this background is not going to be smooth. The two of you separately did NC, she in 2018 and you a year later. Next step is to create a “New and improved” (part of the title of your thread) relationship between the two of you, something that you’ve already been doing. It is not and will not be easy to any one of you.
Now, most important in the context of your relationship with your sister (and in any other context) is that you need to be protected, that your thoughts and feelings are acknowledged and respected. Your sister loves you very much, she is very attached to you and you are in no danger of her cutting contact with you. So she is motivated to continue and improve her relationship with you. For the relationship to continue to improve- and to not regress- the two of you have to practice empathy for each other and to not accept mistreatment.
The rules that you sent her are all reasonable. What you need to see during the trip is that she is trying hard, that when she forgets this or that rule (and she will), that what follows is she correcting herself. Same with whatever rules she sends you- if they are reasonable- see to it that you try and if and when you forget- correct yourself.
-Why she copied and pasted to you what I wrote her- probably because she is overwhelmed, too much on her mind. She is working hard on her own healing and that is the best she can do, together with all the practicalities she needs to attend to. And you are doing the same.
The aim of this vacation is to have fun and relax. The aim of the ground rules is to increase the chances that this happens. Unlike those dreadful experiences during the vacations the two of you had with your mother, no need to pretend anything, no need to pretend to enjoy, to do-enjoy-right. Don’t even aim to enjoy, just be. Soak in the sun and let the sun relax those over-worked brains of yours (yours and hers).
Minimize conflicts and problems, maximize harmony- this is the purpose of presenting and negotiating- if needed- these ground rules exchange between the two of you.
anita
October 15, 2019 at 11:18 am #317995cali sisterParticipantI completely agree and understand.
We are both very excited for the trip. And I think that is all I have to say for this topic. Will look forward to your email.
October 15, 2019 at 11:27 am #317999AnonymousGuestDear cali sister:
Okay. I will get to your email within the hour.
anita
October 15, 2019 at 3:32 pm #318051cali sisterParticipantHi Anita – we can continue this here – from my email
I want to figure out a way to lessen this frustration of wanting something exciting and stimulating. Yes it is normal to want it – but my distress about it can be healthier.
October 15, 2019 at 4:42 pm #318057AnonymousGuestDear cali sister:
I am thinking this: you spent many hours as a teenager and on daydreaming, fantasizing about exciting things, romance and all, didn’t you? I did. I remember we shared before that we have this in common. Thing is in fantasy everything we want- happens and it happens quickly. It takes second to bring up images, moving images, movies in our brain, as exciting as some of the Hollywood movies are, and even more exciting, because the movies we see and hear and feel in our brains as we daydream are fit exactly to our tastes, to what we find exciting.
In other words we can imagine amazingly exciting stories. That helps a whole lot to survive a lonely, depressing childhood. Fast forward, you are an adult and real life is not as exciting, not even close.
So, we have to transition from Fantasy to Reality.
But-I-don’t- want-to! A voice in me just screamed, no, no, don’t want to! Really, it is difficult to give up this rich fantasy life. But if we don’t, reality is forever boring, or boring a whole lot of the time.
When you give up on Fantasy, or I will say, lessen it a whole lot, you get used to a different speed of things happening (much slower), you get used to gaps between somewhat exciting things happening (way longer than the no-gap/ no waiting periods within a fantasy), and you get used to a lot of interruptions that you have no use to in fantasy.
I would say, aim at making this transition and you will be more content with reality. What do you think?
anita
October 15, 2019 at 5:31 pm #318061AnonymousGuestDear cali sister:
I am about to shut down the computer. It is about 8:30 pm your time. I hope you have a restful night and if it takes calming fantasy to relax, fantasize. No reason to give fantasy up altogether. Good night, sweet cali sister and hope to read from you tomorrow morning.
anita
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