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  • #432045
    Roberta
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    Dear Sea turtle

    That boredom comes in for the last few hours of the day. Maybe you could see that what your feeling is part of the natural process of winding down to sleep. If we are overstimulated right up to and often when in bed, then sleep can be illusive and of poor quality. A evening yoga routine, a warm bath and a spiritually up lifting book.

    As for your messy artwork project is possible to cover it up with a cardboard box or the like, so that it is less intrusive and easier on the eye of your housemate.

    Hope your birthday weekend party goes well

    #432141
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Seaturtle:

    I just noticed that by mistake, I wished you happy birthday on your old thread instead of on this one. So, here I am, wishing you a Shakti-full, Samskaras-empty, All Chakras working together for the greater good birthday and Year Ahead!

    anita

    #432188
    seaturtle
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    Hello All,

    I haven’t yet read recent messages, but I have a recent false self discovery and would like to go deeper into it.

    I have always known I have some people pleasing tendencies, but I thought I had them under control. When I moved away from home I realized all the things I did for my fathers approval and began to seek what was actually important to me. I now realize I fell into that habit in a past relationship, in that when I felt disapproval it affected my self esteem significantly.

    When I reflect back on my childhood, there was not much, if any, praise for trying. Instead I remember feeling like there was always something I could do better. Even as an adult living in my fathers home he constantly told me he did not feel appreciated by me. If I was free in the evening and didn’t think to make him dinner, if I didn’t volunteer to do things for him, if I didn’t show enough gratitude for things he did. Or if I ever confronted him about how he hurt my feelings, he would call it being ungrateful for the list of things he does for me.

    I notice in my adult life now, I often ask how I could be better… I told my employer once to let me know if I was doing anything that bothered them so that I could fix it ( I work as a nanny). I seek validation from my roommate about my behavior… after going out if I questioned something I did or said. I want to understand the balance, because when I read that the solution is to stop doing things for others approval and do what feels in align with me, that is how I behaved living with my father and I was constantly called selfish or ungrateful. I don’t want my actions to hurt other people or offend them, but I also want to live in alignment with my true self. Is our true self selfish? How do I think of others and care for them, without comprising my true self?

    Seaturtle

    #432189
    seaturtle
    Participant

    Anita,

    Thank you for thinking of me on my birthday 🙂 I thought of you too! But decided to stay present off my phone as best I could.

    25 year old Seaturtle

    #432193
    anita
    Participant

    Dear 25 year old Seaturtle:

    (I am answering here to your messages in both threads): You are welcome! For the last few years, I acknowledge my birthday in the middle of July, 2.5 months after yours.

    “I have always known I have some people pleasing tendencies… I want to understand the balance, because when I read that the solution is to stop doing things for others’ approval and do what feels in align with me, that is how I behaved living with my father and I was constantly called selfish or ungrateful. I don’t want my actions to hurt other people or offend them, but I also want to live in alignment with my true self. Is our true self selfish? How do I think of others and care for them, without comprising my true self?”-

    – my answer/ my thoughts: we humans are social animal, social beings, genetically, by design. So, pleasing other people is authentic to who we are. Pleasing others is part of our true self. The issue is what you brought up: understanding the balance between too much people- pleasing on one hand, and selfishness on the other hand.

    The balance is in Win-Win interactions and relationships, not Win-Lose. Keep Win-Win in mind, and you find your balance.

    anita

    #432231
    seaturtle
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    “For the last few years, I acknowledge my birthday in the middle of July”

    My friend P’s birthday is mid July as well! You are my second mid July friend 🙂
    <p class=”p1″>I really like your analysis here, that it is natural for humans to please, because there is something about it that makes me feel satisfied and whole</p>
    This is an area that is hard for me to see myself, to separate the false and true self. I think because my dad was so critical I got used to getting outside criticism/validation from him. He truly convinced me that I couldn’t see myself, acting shocked at how “selfish” and ungrateful I could be. This created so much doubt within myself, and it is still there. When I am told I’m being selfish I just believe it because like my dad said “you can’t see it but you are.” I see it in other relationships in my life, where if I receive their criticism or validation I act accordingly, and I stray away from my true self.

    I want to get wiser in this area, and see more clearly when it is appropriate to make a selfish decision and when it is not. And to see when someone’s criticism is truly about me or it’s about them.

     

    seaturtle

     

     

    #432235
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Seaturtle:

    Glad to be your 2nd Mid-July Friend.

    My dad was so critical… acting shocked at how ‘selfish’ and ungrateful I could be…  my dad said ‘you can’t see it but you are.’“- he probably (inaccurately) projected his mother, or a female caretaker in his early life => into you. Parents often do that. My mother projected people who abused her (before I was born) into me and proceeded to punish me.

    Your father’s mother or caretaker, a woman he was very attached to as a boy, was really selfish and really ungrateful for his many efforts to please her, and gain her recognition. Fast forward, he projects that woman into a little, innocent sea turtle who did not deserve criticism for .. what someone else is guilty for.

    anita

    #432270
    Helcat
    Participant

    Hi Seaturtle!

    Happy 25th Birthday! How was your party?

    As you guessed, people pleasing has it’s roots in trauma. So basically, when there is a child there is something called magical thinking. Our brains automatically seek patterns.

    Your father conditioned you to cater to his needs with verbal abuse. Perhaps your “reward” sometimes was not being verbally abused? Not being praised, just not being attacked verbally. Some “reward”, huh?

    Back to the magical thinking and patterns. So you picked up this idea as a child that if you did everything perfectly then MAYBE there would be peace for you. We all seek control in the chaos in abusive situations as children. The alternative that it is just chaos is too frightening.

    But children don’t do everything perfectly do they? Heck, even adults don’t. So no matter how hard you tried, it was never enough because he was always looking for mistakes as an excuse to unleash his abuse upon you.

    The secret is that there was no actual rhyme nor reason to his behaviour. If he was in a bad mood he would find a reason to abuse you. This is the truth.

    So you’re in this abusive situation with a father with unstable emotions being told to manage his emotions for him. Such a large responsibility for a child and frightening to be at his whims.

    Recognizing that it is not your responsibility to manage someone’s emotions and it is not your fault if they snap at you (unless you did something seriously wrong) is how to get past people pleasing. Getting used to setting boundaries with unhealthy people is helpful too. It is stressful at first, but you get used to it with practice.

    I think it’s helpful to view people as equals. Your emotions matter as much as theirs do. But you still have the responsibility to take care of yourself and they have the responsibility to take care of themselves. If that makes sense?

    I don’t think it’s selfish, it’s just not your responsibility unless they are a child as children often need help with regulating their emotions because they are still learning. But even then, it is important for them to learn developmentally appropriate self-soothing techniques. My son is currently learning to fall asleep without being held or fed. Next, he will learn to fall asleep by himself.

    Love and best wishes! ❤️🙏

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