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February 22, 2024 at 4:57 pm in reply to: Telling the difference between gut and fear in relationships #428070anitaParticipant
Dear Seaturtle:
I read the exchange… for crying out loud, Totally Un-cool… he wouldn’t give you your stuff. Will re-read in the morning and reply further then.
anita
February 22, 2024 at 1:13 pm in reply to: Telling the difference between gut and fear in relationships #428062anitaParticipantDear Seaturtle:
I am just about to go out for a walk+, so I’ll read and reply Fri morning.
anita
anitaParticipantDear Worldofthewaterwheels:
I am glad that you located my previous post that included the RSD information (when I submitted my post for you two hours ago, I assumed that you read the previous but ignored it).
I don’t know if you noticed my recent post, the one I submitted a couple of hours ago (it starts with: “Dear Worldofthewaterwheels: A soldier as you mean it:…”).
I will get back ton your thread Fri morning (it is Thurs almost noon here) and reply further to your most recent post and to anything you may add to it before I return to you).
anita
anitaParticipantDear hatata:
“I was never good at making friends“- it’s understandable that you were never good (so far) at making friends because (1) Your mother discouraged you from making friends by telling you that “friends come and go so there’s no reason to pursue friendships, to avoid disappointment“, and by rarely giving you “any money to go out and hang out with.. school colleagues“,
(2) You got into the habit, from an early age, to be “into books and solo activities“, meaning spending time alone. Habituated to spend time alone, you feel “overwhelmed with people“.
(3) The current friends you spend time with in a bigger group setting use weed, and “everybody is focused on ‘having good times’, not actual conversations“- people using weed are not likely to be focused and clear-minded enough to have conversations. and you are interested in conversations.
You ended your short original post with: “Mostly after trying to be social I’m just exhausted and disappointed. I’m in the same community for the last three years and can’t name one person I’d call to vent to“- it is interesting that your mother’s prediction that pursuing friendships will lead to disappointments came true.. only it came true because she habituated you to a life without friends (#1 and 2 above).
“How to make friends? Real friends?“- Seems to me that to make friends, you will need to start not in a big group, but in a small group, or better, in a 1- to- 1 context, not when smoking weed, and not spending too much time per visit with others, because you’ll need your alone-time to come down from the heightened stress involved in socializing.
Over time, the intensity of the stress will lessen and you will become more comfortable conversing and socializing. What do you think about my suggestions?
anita
February 22, 2024 at 10:58 am in reply to: He Left me after 7 years together for Conservative Parents.. Help me Please! #428055anitaParticipantDear Sushmita:
You are very welcome, and thank you for your appreciation and loving sentiment! So good to read your positive update, and I hope that others reading your words will be encouraged by your uplifting message. Thank you for caring about others and being so kind to me!
Anytime you feel like it (feeling positive or not), do post again.
anita
February 22, 2024 at 10:45 am in reply to: growing up – becoming adul / procrastination – in connection to childhood trauma #428054anitaParticipantDear Robi:
You are welcome, and thank you for your appreciation of me! “I’ve spent maybe too much thinking of these aspects that I often feel like I overly analysed the story of my childhood to the point of not living fully in the present moment anymore“- I am all for you living fully in the present moment, aka living mindfully!
“Today I’ve bought my plane ticket to go to Spain. I’m going in the first of March. New Month, New Beginning…“- – C o N g R a T u L a T i O n S and how exciting… a N e w B e g i n n i n g !!!!
“Now, tomorrow morning after waking up, I’ll do my yoga, meditate and have an online interview with a Language Academy in Spain. ( Alicante – if you were wondering where I’m going)“-
– About Alicante, Spain: “The area around Alicante has been inhabited for over 7000 years. The first tribes of hunter-gatherers moved down gradually from Central Europe between 5000 and 3000 BC” (Wikipedia). It is amazing that on March 1, 2024 AD, Robi will be flying from Central Europe (Poland) to a place first settled by Central Europeans 5,000 or 7,000 years ago!
“I’d like to become more grounded in these situations, to be less scared of failure and feel less of an impostor. After all, I’ve done it before. I’ve been teaching English for a while and I didn’t suck at it… knowing I’ll have that interview tomorrow – a big wave of anxiety hit me. A wave of nostalgia and false reasoning… Suddenly I’ll miss Poland. I’ll miss the dark, wet and cold days… with the right amount of discipline, awareness and momentum… So, yes, I feel anxious – almost paralysed… Often my newly discovered sense of courage, the part of me that finds hope and clarity, loses to my older inhabitants that have been the ruling party for much longer”-
– being scared of failure, feeling like a imposter, the wave of anxiety and feeling paralyzed, these “older inhabitants” of your brain-body are neurological- chemical (neurotransmitters, hormones) habits. Intellectual understandings of the whys do not undo such chemical habits. It takes discipline to lower the intensity of the old habits and slowly, with disciplined practice and an attitude of courage, to form new habits.
Notice how instinctively, your brain got nostalgic, as a way to keep you in Poland, so to prevent you from leaving to Spain. Nostalgia.. another mental (neurological- chemical) habit.
“The girlfriend has to stay here for a while. I’d love to be able to take her with me!…She loves (Spain) “- I hope that the two of you will reunite in Spain.. something to look forward to!
“What I’m going to do now, is prepare for the interview. My CV doesn’t even acknowledge I’ve ever moved away from Spain – and on paper, I’ve never stopped teaching English. So now, I gotta make sure tomorrow I look like I know my s****. I know, maybe not completely fair but I’m in a bit of a hurry to get my s**** together.“- Mindfully, being patient with your old habits (they will not just .. disappear), but persistent with the making of new habits… do get your s**** together, I am excited for you!
anita
anitaParticipantDear Worldofthewaterwheels:
A soldier as you mean it: “someone who feels like they are in a battle, trying to communicate, trying to get by, trying to stay strong, There is really no choice if you want to survive in the world as it is… to stay tough and fight an enemy“- the World is the Enemy. An enemy is not to be trusted. An enemy is to be survived, not to get close to.
More about being a soldier from your earlier posts: “I’m worried about my survival….being.. bullied and targeted… for no real reason… I’m an attractive polite and kind woman who has had a lot of bad things happen to her, I didn’t complain…Guys seem rude and aggressive… .what it is that sets it off? being nice? saying hi? Because I don’t understand it… I’ve often looked in the mirror and wondered…do I have a dumb expression? is it the shape of my face somehow? my body?… I’ve managed to survive this far, mainly by finding the strength in myself…no drugs, no therapy.. just hanging in there“- an Enemy that bullies and targets the innocent, an enemy that needs to be survived.
The results of the battle, from your most recent post: “The symptoms I feel of my life, are in the end, physical.. exhaustion, tension and stress in my body“- War is draining, exhausting.
“Trying to navigate social communications is like a minefield to me“, you wrote yesterday. Pervasive, persistent and enduring distrust in people is akin to living on a minefield, to being at war: being hypervigilant to verbal attacks by others, being inclined to misinterpret benign remarks by others as hurtful or threatening, being suspicious of others’ motives, believing they’re trying to hurt your feelings when they aren’t, etc. This makes intimate relationships and close friendships impossible, and it makes workplace relationships difficult.
“It would be nice to believe other people go through this but I know, it’s not the case for a lot of people and they are just chemically/behaviourly different than I am. There are people out there who do not get depressed like this and don’t understand it… I notice when I hang out with some other people that they have light minds… there may be some sad stuff or difficult stuff, but they are not weighed down, brush it off quicker and move on… I just wonder why everything feels so difficult for me when other people are much lighter“-
– I think that other people are lighter and more resilient than you (brush it off quicker, etc.) because there is someone in their lives that they trust. For humans, as for other social animals (dog, coyote, wolf, etc.), trust in others (not in all others, but in some others) makes positive, trusting social interactions possible. It is the positive, trusting social interactions with others that keep us lighter and more resilient in the face of difficulties.
Alone for too long, the social animal’s neuro-chemistry really changes and the animal becomes sick. A dog that’s left alone for too long becomes anxious, depressed, lethargic and aggressive. A dog that has plenty of social interactions wags his tail, is affectionate.. lighter. A social animal is not meant to be alone; you are not meant to be alone.
You physically survived your abusive childhood, but your trust in other people was lost along the way, and mistrust took over. Most likely, one group of your negative adult-life experiences with other people was the result of their wrongdoings; a second group was the result of your misinterpretation of others’ expressions, words an actions, and the third group was the result of your expressed mistrust in others turning them off to you, leading them to reject you.
Healing as much as is possible for you, I believe, will take identifying these 3 groups in your life, past and present.
anita
anitaParticipantDear Worldofwaterwheels:
Thank you for the explanation. I will reply further after you respond to my longer post of today, if you will. Please take your time and if you choose to respond, do it at your convenience, when you are calm enough.
anita
anitaParticipantResubmitted (hoping to clear the excess print):
Dear Worldofthewaterwheels:
(I am adding the boldface feature to the quotes in this post): “A study in loneliness and rejection... Lately I feel everything is a rejection… I feel totally rejected by society… if I really go for something I want.. I get rejected even harder by others, things get even more crazy. It feels like the world is against me. I’m old enough that I don’t even cry anymore, its internalized…I’m so sensitive and reactive to things… I want to write about it and then I think ‘who would want to read that?‘… I write my own ideas down and disregard them, I somehow can’t formulate anything coherently or smoothly, even in art I was never satisfied with what I did because it just didn’t have the right effect. But not being able to turn left or right.. that fear of choice.. it’s mind-blowingly hard.. if I could figure that out maybe something would move forward?“-Rejected by society, rejected by self
Cleveland clinic. org: “Rejection sensitive dysphoria (RSD) is when a person feels intense emotional pain related to rejection. The word ‘dysphoria’ comes from an ancient Greek word that describes a strong — if not overwhelming — feeling of pain or discomfort. Though RSD isn’t an officially recognized symptom or diagnosis, it’s still a term that experts use in connection with recognized conditions. While rejection is something people usually don’t like, the negative feelings that come with RSD are stronger and can be harder to manage or both. People with RSD are also more likely to interpret vague interactions as rejection and may find it difficult to control their reactions…
”Emotional dysregulation happens when your brain can’t properly regulate the signals related to your emotions. Without that ability to manage them, it’s as if the TV volume control is stuck at a disruptively or painfully high level. In effect, emotional dysregulation is when your emotions are too loud for you to manage, causing feelings of being overwhelmed, uncomfortable or even in pain...”The key symptom of RSD is intense emotional pain. That pain usually has to be triggered by rejection or disapproval. However, people with RSD often have difficulty describing what it feels like because it’s so intense… Instead of losing control of their emotions outwardly, some people with RSD may turn their feelings inward. This can look like a snap onset of severe depression…”The condition seems to happen most often in people with ADHD… people with ADHD commonly have trouble processing information from their senses. It also makes them prone to feeling overwhelmed by loud noises, bright lights or sudden changes in what’s happening around them. The brain of someone with ADHD might not be able to regulate pain-like activity, which would explain why rejection is so much more troubling and painful to someone with RSD…”Therapy can help a person learn how to process and manage feelings so they’re less overwhelming. That can help a person with RSD feel more in control of their emotions… Your provider can recommend treatment options and guide you on what you can do to help yourself as you learn to manage RSD…. Adults with RSD are more likely to experience anxiety, depression and loneliness“.Worldofthewaterwheels, is this quoted information potentially helpful in your study in loneliness and rejection?anitaanitaParticipantDear Worldofthewaterwheels:
(I am adding the boldface feature to the quotes in this post): “A study in loneliness and rejection... Lately I feel everything is a rejection… I feel totally rejected by society… if I really go for something I want.. I get rejected even harder by others, things get even more crazy. It feels like the world is against me. I’m old enough that I don’t even cry anymore, its internalized…I’m so sensitive and reactive to things… I want to write about it and then I think ‘who would want to read that?‘… I write my own ideas down and disregard them, I somehow can’t formulate anything coherently or smoothly, even in art I was never satisfied with what I did because it just didn’t have the right effect. But not being able to turn left or right.. that fear of choice.. it’s mind-blowingly hard.. if I could figure that out maybe something would move forward?“- -Rejected by society, rejected by self
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<p class=”font-normal text-rem19px leading-rem32px text-gray-800 bp900:leading-rem34px max-w-body undefined” data-identity=”intro-text”>Cleveland clinic. org: “Rejection sensitive dysphoria (RSD) is when a person feels intense emotional pain related to rejection. The word ‘dysphoria’ comes from an ancient Greek word that describes a strong — if not overwhelming — feeling of pain or discomfort. Though RSD isn’t an officially recognized symptom or diagnosis, it’s still a term that experts use in connection with recognized conditions. While rejection is something people usually don’t like, the negative feelings that come with RSD are stronger and can be harder to manage or both. People with RSD are also more likely to interpret vague interactions as rejection and may find it difficult to control their reactions…</p>
<p class=”font-normal text-rem19px leading-rem32px text-gray-800 bp900:leading-rem34px max-w-body undefined” data-identity=”intro-text”>”Emotional dysregulation happens when your brain can’t properly regulate the signals related to your emotions. Without that ability to manage them, it’s as if the TV volume control is stuck at a disruptively or painfully high level. In effect, emotional dysregulation is when your emotions are too loud for you to manage, causing feelings of being overwhelmed, uncomfortable or even in pain...</p>
<p class=”font-normal text-rem19px leading-rem32px text-gray-800 bp900:leading-rem34px max-w-body undefined” data-identity=”intro-text”>”The key symptom of RSD is intense emotional pain. That pain usually has to be triggered by rejection or disapproval. However, people with RSD often have difficulty describing what it feels like because it’s so intense… Instead of losing control of their emotions outwardly, some people with RSD may turn their feelings inward. This can look like a snap onset of severe depression…</p>
<p class=”font-normal text-rem19px leading-rem32px text-gray-800 bp900:leading-rem34px max-w-body undefined” data-identity=”intro-text”>”The condition seems to happen most often in people with ADHD… people with ADHD commonly have trouble processing information from their senses. It also makes them prone to feeling overwhelmed by loud noises, bright lights or sudden changes in what’s happening around them. The brain of someone with ADHD might not be able to regulate pain-like activity, which would explain why rejection is so much more troubling and painful to someone with RSD…</p></section>
<p class=”text-gray-800 my-rem16px text-rem19px leading-rem34px” data-identity=”paragraph-element”>”Therapy can help a person learn how to process and manage feelings so they’re less overwhelming. That can help a person with RSD feel more in control of their emotions… Your provider can recommend treatment options and guide you on what you can do to help yourself as you learn to manage RSD…. Adults with RSD are more likely to experience anxiety, depression and loneliness“.</p>
<p data-identity=”paragraph-element”>Worldofthewaterwheels, is this quoted information potentially helpful in your study in loneliness and rejection?</p>
<p data-identity=”paragraph-element”>anita</p>anitaParticipantDear Worldofthewaterwheels:
I’ve been reading and working on a reply since you submitted your post today, and I just thought to ask you (in case you can answer while I am still working on a reply), what you mean by “I’ve been like a soldier for so long“?
anita
anitaParticipant* Dear Anonym932: If you would like to tell your story and ask for feedback, you are welcome to do so, here, on this July 2017 thread of 6.5 years ago, or in a thread you can start by going to FORUMS at the top of the page.
anita
anitaParticipantDear Kshiti:
“I tried something like this in that situation only to fail in keeping it“- there is a saying, if it works, keep working it, so if the Serenity Prayer works for you, repeat it, keep doing what helped before (but don’t expect it to help every single time).
“I am trying my best to accept all things in my life through a more neutral perspective“- there is a term, Radical Acceptance, which means to completely, radically accept (what we cannot change).
“Thinking about a purpose is empowering, and I did this activity once after coming to my university. It helped“- keep going back to this exercise, edit it, develop it, make it more and more true to you.
“About intrusive and self consuming anxious thoughts, what should I do to deal with them in a better way?“- first, understand the nature of thoughts: these are temporary events in the brain, nothing dangerous. If you are walking in nature and come across a mountain lion, that’s dangerous. Thoughts are not.
If you try to block thoughts, they will intrude on you, insisting to be there (aka intrusive thoughts). Don’t be scared of thoughts, don’t try to fight/ block them. Instead, when a distressing thought occurs, say: oh, this is just a thought, and gently direct your attention elsewhere.
You can apply the NPARR strategy that I use every day for various distresses: Notice (in this case, that a distressing thought occurred to you), Pause (the repetition of the thought, rumination), Address (the situation, saying to yourself something like: this is a distressing thought. It is not dangerous. I am not in danger because of this thought. Thoughts are temporary events in my brain, they are not permanent), Respond (say or do something about it.. maybe in this case, journal the thought in a Thought Journal.. not sure), and lastly, and very importantly, Redirect (your attention elsewhere: a walk outdoors, a hot bath, a cold shower, a task like doing dishes, listening to music, etc.)
anita
February 21, 2024 at 8:39 am in reply to: growing up – becoming adul / procrastination – in connection to childhood trauma #428002anitaParticipantDear Robbie:
“In my country many kids were hit by their parents and It’s considered almost normal, although illegal. Only recently I started thinking more about those events, and I realised that might’ve been one of the reasons why I didn’t trust my parents and the reason why I disconnected myself from not only them, but partly the world around me. Actually I’ve always remembered those events, but didn’t think they meant anything. I was wrong, obviously. I thought that I deserved to be hit, like many other kids from my generation did. I didn’t connect the dots until recently”-
– (1) As I read this, I thought of a book you might write and publish one day, for people of your age (and older), in your country (and in other countries) to read. You express yourself so well, and with such refreshing emotional honesty.
(2) Indeed, physical abuse of children inside the home leads to mistrust and disconnection in the society at large.
“As for my mother, your description is perfect. ‘crazy – not sensible or reasonable. She seems bitter, angry, chronically stressed, perhaps, unaware/ having no insight into herself or into others.. unpredictable, impulsive‘. My mother always took care of others- she had to take care of her siblings so from an early age she took the role of the caregiver. Her mother wasn’t very emotionally available either, she gave her many responsibilities and didn’t give her space to be a kid… She suffered a lot through her childhood, married a man who’s family didn’t like her at all… When she was 24 she had an abortion. My father didn’t want to have a kid… Few years later, I came out – my mother told me she had to trick my father into it. (whatever that means..)”-
– I imagine that growing up, as she took care of her siblings/ others, she got some positive reward from her mother, however small, and that filled her with hope and excitement, an emotional motivation to keep taking care of others, hoping for more of a reward: for affection and love, and to be taken care of in return. Not having received that greater reward day in and day out, year after year, filled her with anger, chronic, ongoing anger, motivating her to turn against those she was helping (“they never really had a good relationship, it was always very intense“, you wrote about her relationships with her family of origin)
Fast forward, she displays the same conflicted motivations as a mother: on one hand, taking care of you and feeling that hope and excitement combo, as in when you asked for financial help last Christmas (“At first, my mother was thrilled… I’ll give you the money right now if you want“), and on the other hand, angrily, she turns against you, during the same Christmas visit (“My mother was already acting very standoffish… She cornered me and started a fight – told me I didn’t care about them and I only cared about myself… she said to me – ‘You’re leaving in 3 days. From that point, you’re on your own’. She didn’t talk to us for the next days“).
Having a kid (you) was her new hope to receive the love that was not available for her elsewhere. She had to.. almost steal this new opportunity- in her mind- to be loved (by tricking your father).
“Very often I’ve heard from them ( actually my mother mostly ) things like: ‘please don’t forget us’, ‘keep calling us’ ‘don’t leave us’. ‘We are your parents and we do everything for you’, ‘You can always rely on us’“- growing up, not receiving love, she felt undeserving of it. She kept taking care of others, hoping to become deserving of love. Fast forward, she feels undeserving of your love.. and hoping to become deserving of it by (financially) helping you more.
“Since, she’s been through a cancer, when I was 13 and quite a few health problems. Her traumas are showing in her body“- ongoing, chronic anger involves lots of stress hormones released into the blood, day in and day out, and over time, such do damage to the body.
“but she doesn’t hear it. I am very often worried, and I find it hard to live my own life knowing she needs so much help, but I’ve tried to support her and I see that there isn’t much I can do. I tried helping her become more aware, but it doesn’t always work like that“-
– indeed, it doesn’t work like that. The love she needed as a child was not there for her for too long, so her emotional love receptors, so to speak, got filled with scar tissue (way before you were born). When you were a toddler and a young child, you loved her very much, it was a pure and unconditional love (as it is the case of any young child), but it was too late for her to receive your love because of that (figurative) scar tissue.
You tried to help her to become more aware, but becoming aware involves pain.. like the pain of removing a scar tissue that’s well embedded in the flesh. I don’t think, from all that you shared, that she can be helped except by a quality, professional counselor/ psychotherapist whom she’d be willing to see.
“My main objective now is to head back to Spain and find stability. I’ll have an online interview on Friday with a language school from Spain, I’ve sent quite a few applications… In Poland I didn’t manage to find a job. I also don’t want to live here anymore, it doesn’t make any sense to me. I hope next month I’ll get to Spain and start working. I hope to use my parents financial help for as little as possible and become financially independent again as soon as possible. What do you think of this?… and I also don’t want to move back with my parents“-
– I think that it’s a good plan for you to (1) not move back with your parents, (2) to find a job and become financially independent again.
As far as moving to Spain, will you leave your girlfriend behind in Poland, or will she be joining you?
anita
February 20, 2024 at 5:50 pm in reply to: Telling the difference between gut and fear in relationships #427988anitaParticipantDear Seaturtle:
Further thoughts: we have to be careful about expecting and demanding from people what they (we) cannot deliver, such as asserting oneself and telling you what one wants (in my case, in N’s case). We have to be more accepting, more understanding, more forgiving.. the things so scarce in our world, whenever, wherever possible. Understanding of his weed addiction included. Not as his girlfriend, but as a fellow human.
anita
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