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  • in reply to: I love my girlfriend but im not happy #428313
    anita
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    Dear IMBACK

    “I had a thought today…  I started questioning If I even loved her“- what I boldfaced is the recurring, intrusive, obsessive thought.

    Wikipedia/ relationship obsessive compulsive behavior (ROCD):  “People may continuously doubt whether they love their partner… haunted by continuous doubts regarding the relationship…<sup id=”cite_ref-Doron_2014_169–180_3-2″ class=”reference”></sup>

    “ROCD is a form of OCD. Cognitive Behavioral Therapy<sup id=”cite_ref-12″ class=”reference”></sup> (CBT) are considered the Gold Standard psychological treatments for OCD. <sup id=”cite_ref-13″ class=”reference”></sup>According to CBT models, we all have unwanted, intrusive thoughts, images and urges. <sup id=”cite_ref-14″ class=”reference”></sup>Individuals with OCD interpret these intrusive experiences as meaning something bad about their character (crazy or bad) or about the future (a catastrophe is going to occur)… Such interpretations increase attention to unwanted intrusive experiences, making them more distressing and increasing their frequency…”.<sup id=”cite_ref-16″ class=”reference”></sup><sup id=”cite_ref-18″ class=”reference”></sup>

    Do you relate to this quote, and if so, do you feel that if you lost the loving feeling for her, it would make you “crazy or bad” (from the quote above), or that some catastrophe will happen?

    “So I had a thought today, that maybe it has something to do with the fact that I feel like I have to love her and be over the moon with her every single minute of the day”-

    – and if you don’t love her over the moon, every single minute of the day, what’s the worst that can happen?

    “Or could it be that I’m afraid of the future... Now we are getting close to her 18 years birthday and I’m about to meet her family in 2 weeks”- what are you afraid of, IMBACK?

    anita

     

    in reply to: I love my girlfriend but im not happy #428306
    anita
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    Dear IMBACK:

    You started your first post today with “I had a thought“. Are you familiar with obsessive thinking, as in the same thought repeating in your brain over and over again?

    Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD) is a thought disorder that is fueled by ongoing anxiety. Are you familiar with this term?

    anita

    anita
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    Dear Robi: It’s Friday, March 1, 9:30 pm in Spain, I hope you had a good flight and arrived safe to your New Beginning!

    anita

    in reply to: Stuck. #428298
    anita
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    Dear Sandy:

    (I am adding the boldface feature to the quotes): “My partner has a hot temperament and when he gets bothered by something, he will turn cold, withdraw and not want to communicate”-

    – the temperature shifts of anger: from hot to cold, cold as angry as hot. You are Stuck in an extreme weather situation inside your home (assuming you are living with him), metaphorically,  aren’t you?

    “I’ve always felt like I was walking on eggshells because he felt like a time bomb“- Stuck in a war zone.

    I always try to encourage him to talk and I ask what upset him, I often find myself apologizing“- you are trying to defuse the bomb (to bring him to moderate temperatures) by encouraging him to express himself with words, and by apologizing to him.

    “(I) can’t remember a time when he apologized to me“- he doesn’t mind being in the wrong, when he is in the wrong, and he doesn’t have a bomb in front of him to defuse… so no apologizing. Or he’s afraid that if he apologizes, he will lose a sense of power in the relationship.

    “So essentially he’s a wall I cannot get through to, no matter how calm I am, how much I offer to listen, how available I try to make myself to talking about the problem“- an angry wall, an easily angered wall who doesn’t want to talk about his anger. I imagine that in his mind, neither him nor his anger is the problem. In his mind, are you the problem?

    “Going through the silent treatment has broken me down“- his treatment of you = breaking you down, the war metaphor seems fitting.

    “Each time we are in it, all I feel is anxiety, fear, hopelessness, abandonment. Over time it’s broken down my trust in him and the relationship, it’s damaged my sense of self worth and confidence“-  the consequences of war, and of being alone in it, alone against the enemy.

    “And it’s made me feel like I don’t have a voice. I’ve forgotten how to express my feelings because he hasn’t allowed me to feel like I have a space to feel whatever set of emotions I’m feeling”- shoved against an angry wall, you have no space to breathe, to feel anything but that anxiety, fear, hopelessness

    “Regardless of how wrong and damaging the silent treatment is or refusing to sit down and communicate the problems a couple is facing, I cannot help but constantly feel at fault. I feel like all he sees are my reactions to situations but doesn’t see or acknowledge how I got there“-

    – in his mind, you are the one at fault. I imagine that when you express distress and anger at him for being the angry wall that he is, he points to your natural, normal reactions to his actions as proof of your alleged faultiness.

    “That has been a reoccurring struggle for me because  I acknowledge I am sensitive towards certain topics, I acknowledge I might show sensitivity towards other people in his life, yet I cannot help it“- you acknowledge that you are human. You can’t help being human.

    Being given the silent treatment while simultaneously watching your partner treat other people with kindness and respect beats you down“- you didn’t mention it, but I assume still that you are living with him, and the other people are visiting, or you and your partner visit them. You get a Wall, they get a Door…?

    I continually try to filter and sugar coat what I want to say to the point where I feel defeated and I feel like no matter what I say, how I say it, will never be received in a positive or supportive manner…  he will see the worst version or intention“- he sees you as the enemy, the one with bad intentions. No matter how much sugar you mix into your words, he tastes, or claims to taste bitterness…?

    “I do not want to be quiet, I want to have a healthy, balanced conversation, I want to be able to go to my partner and tell him how I’m feeling without feeling anxious about his reaction or the consequences. I’m just stuck, I don’t know how to reclaim my voice here“- start perhaps with substituting the word partner with.. enemy? Because this is war, isn’t it?

    Has anyone been in a similar situation? Your thoughts and advice would be helpful.“-

    – Yes, I grew up (or grew in, more accurately) with a person like your partner.. or enemy, more accurately: my mother. Like you, I was Stuck (with her). She was hot tempered and she gave me the cold, silent treatments. She was a time bomb, and I too felt like I was walking on eggshells, stuck in a war zone. I too tried and failed to defuse the time bomb but she was a wall and none of my efforts got through to her in any way that was positive…

    Except for one effort that did get through to her and positively pleased her: when she hit me and called me names, etc., she said this one time that I remember, she said: the only thing I like about you is that when (I hit you, shame you), you say nothing back, you look down at the floor, quietly. My quiet submission to her aggression pleased her. For a while. Until the next time.

    Like you, I suffered the consequences of a prolonged war (a war in which I was alone facing the enemy): anxiety, fear, hopelessness, abandonmentbroken down.. trustdamaged.. sense of self worth and confidence: broken down,  didn’t grow up or outward, I grew in with a minimal sense of self.

    Like you, I lost my voice, don’t remember ever having a voice. I was angry a lot, inside.. and when she saw my anger, my silent anger in my eyes.. seems like she was bewildered, as in not seeing at all that my anger was a natural reaction to her actions against me. She thought that my anger was proof that I was the faulty girl she thought I was to begin with, and she told me so. I believed her.

    Like in your case, my enemy treated other people/ visitors, with kindness and respect.

    No matter how much I tried to sugar coat my words as I tried to reach her, to reach her with my honesty and in some depth, she cried: BITTER. She repeatedly claimed that there were bad intentions behind my words, (re) actions, etc.

    In the dynamics between my mother and I, her primary motivation was Power Over (me). My primary motivation was Positive, Honest Communication (Love). There was a lack of compatibility there, not wanting the same thing.

    My advice: leave the war zone and attend quality psychotherapy.. and post again, if you would like. It may help to talk further..?

    anita

     

    anita
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    Dear Seaturtle:

    I was thinking, if the amount of my responses is too much, you don’t have to respond to all that I submit. You can respond to some, and if you want to consider responding to more, you can copy parts of my responses for later, for some other time.

    anita

    in reply to: Telling the difference between gut and fear in relationships #428286
    anita
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    Dear Seaturtle:

    A major realization for me to end things was asking myself ‘if the world ended and you had to spend the rest of your days in a room with this person, would you choose them to be your one person there?’ And my answer was no“- respect this major realization, keep it- consistently- in your awareness.

    I’m so curious about your partner and the type of relationship you have“- I didn’t share this in your thread.. how do you know I have a partner?

    I worry that he feels like ‘people always leave’ and that I contributed to that fear“- he left himself, didn’t he?

    one day I wanna hear more about what it was like to do what you are doing“- can you be more specific/ clear about what it is that you want to hear more of?

    I just don’t expect people to see me. I’ve accepted there are places in my head I will always be alone, but I’ve also learned that some people see you better than others“- too many people are too troubled to be able or willing to SEE another person. The world is a troubled world.

    so you can still see your childhood affecting who you are now?” – of course. I was formed during my formative years, aka my childhood.

    It’s amazing how many people there are in the world with their own bias of everything. I wonder what the world reads like, or what people really look like from zero bias“- people would look like infants, the age of zero bias.

    I have been called out and feel it was untrue many times in my life, hence being unseen most of it. However with you many things you notice about me feel true and are helping me understand myself faster“- I am not the same person I was before communicating with you. I see more of me because of you.

    I still can understand how you concluded what you did, which challenges me to really ask myself if it’s true for myself“- I wrote the above before I read this sentence..!

    “if I 100% believe my person is out there for this lifetime then I wonder what they’re doing right now and when I will hear about it“- believe that your person is out there, but your person will not always SEE you, not a 100%. Not a (perfect) soul mate..

    You know what, I know you said you don’t watch a lot of tv, and I still wonder how. But have you ever watched like standup comedy on Netflix? Those got me through quarantine times“- actually, I watched a lot of standup comedy during quarantine, (YouTube videos, not TV)!

    Good night, Seaturtel, 6:02 pm here, 7:02 pm where you’re at.

    anita

    in reply to: Telling the difference between gut and fear in relationships #428285
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Seaturtle:

    I was questioning my every move. Overthinking my own authenticity made me feel awkward. Wow this is a realization/ memory for me. I felt awkward in my body, and hyper aware of what I was doing, how I was standing or how to have conversation with certain people, how to be me“- ditto, this is MY experience, my past experience.

    This is interesting because as mentioned above, having a parent who shamed your authenticity led us to question what our authenticity was. Creating this desire to understand ourselves“- in all our communication, I never felt so similar to you, having so much in common.

    I’ll respond to what I didn’t yet in the morning. I hope you are okay this evening/ night!

    anita

    in reply to: I love my girlfriend but im not happy #428284
    anita
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    Dear IMBACK:

    You are welcome, and I am glad, by the way, that you are BACK. The talk with your father makes good sense to me. Your dad seems like a wise man

    I’m scared that if I do it again she won’t be able to take it anymore (which Is understandable, I’m still confused on how she can still be with me after treating her like this)“- next time you don’t feel love for her, do not get alarmed. Like I said, it’s normal to not always feel love for the person you love. Love, after all, is way more than a feeling!

    Don’t tell her that you don’t feel love for her, or that you didn’t feel love for her when apart from her, it’s not fair to her, not any more than it’d be fair for her to tell you the same thing.

    Feel free to come back here to your thread if and when you need my input and advice.

    anita

    in reply to: I love my girlfriend but im not happy #428271
    anita
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    (I was in a hurry and signed out twice by mistake)

    in reply to: I love my girlfriend but im not happy #428270
    anita
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    Edit: The losing of your feelings for her happens sometimes because your brain wants to protect you from the Fall we discussed, and at other times, you don’t have loving feelings for her because.. no one has loving feelings for another person all the time, so it’s normal, it’s natural.

    Now, imagine every person would tell their significant other when they don’t have loving feelings for them..  that would be hurtful and unnecessary, wouldn’t it?

    (I will soon be away from the computer and back hours from now, and maybe not before tomorrow).

    anita

    anita

    in reply to: I love my girlfriend but im not happy #428269
    anita
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    Dear IMBACK:

    I didn’t notice that you posted again when I submitted the above.

    I’m afraid that I will end up hurting her again and I think that I have convinced my brain that I don’t have feelings for her“- you are making a good point here about her getting hurt by you losing feelings for her (however temporarily), again and again, and telling her about it: this is not good for her emotional health…!

    Could it be that I have just lost feelings?”– yes, temporarily. No one, no person in the whole wide world, feels love for another person every minute, every hour, during all their waking hours. it’s normal to sometimes have no feelings for a person you love.

    anita

    in reply to: I love my girlfriend but im not happy #428268
    anita
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    Dear IAMBACK:

    Your plan to connect with friends and with your parents reads like a good plan (as long as the people you connect with are good to you and for you), as well as your plan to place time-limits in the relationship with your girlfriend, once the relationship resumes. You can discuss the limits with her and agree on specific limits, like number of texts per hour or day.

    To regulate/ lessen your anxiety you can look up emotion regulation skills. Taking a long walk every day, for example, is an emotion regulation skill, or practice, and so is listening to/ watching to a Mindfulness guided meditation audio, or video, and other Mindfulness practices.

    anita

    in reply to: Telling the difference between gut and fear in relationships #428266
    anita
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    Dear Seaturtle:

    “Two years with N, feels like a lot of time and what was the point? One major point is this, recognizing my need to be seen by a significant other, before N I didn’t realize I wanted that, or what it even meant to me”- indeed, it’s a major point of learning from this 2-years experience.

    It makes me want to try to SEE somebody else.. maybe you?“- what do you see when you “look” at me via the computer screen?

    I wonder if everyone is complex or others are more simple, I suspect this is true but wouldn’t it be a superiority complex to claim that I am more complex than some others?“- the healthier I am, the less complex and simpler I become. N is complex, he Teflon-s his complexity, but it’s still there. You, Seaturtle, are courageously and intelligently looking into your complexity with an open/ opening third eye and an activated crown chakra.

    wow so when I feel unseen I lean more narcissistic on the spectrum“- yes!

    “And dating N made me recognize I was overcompensating for something, and it was that I felt unseen. That’s a lot to take in. Why did it take him to trigger that?“- you shared that he was the first guy you fell in-love with, and he was your first long-term relationship.

    with N, if they stop giving me their energy of trying to see me… I must see myself, and this is where the narcissistic behaviors can enter. Slowly, my priority narrows down to only myself, and their feelings become less important“- very well said!

    we both clearly have a similar desire to be better every day“- yes, indeed.. we’re bot the bees’ knees!

    If there wasn’t better then I’d still rather be single than with him“- remember this realization next time you forget it.

    “I feel empathy for him… I feel guilty that I couldn’t be the love he needed in his life“- I am relieved that you are this much removed from the alarming areas of the NPD spectrum! I hope that this guilt is not great, and that it will shrink over time and be no more.

    I hope to find someone who sees all the love that I am directing towards them, and that I can see their love as well… there’s some compatibility of some sort that enters the equation“- compatibility in the context of two fellow being human casually interacting in the world is different from the compatibility required in the context of a close friendship and/ or a romantic relationship.

    one day I wanna hear more about what it was like to do what you are doing. I thank you, because I need this, someone who cares to see me as much as they can. And you are that person right now (heart emoji, and leaf emoji because this feels very natural)“- it makes my day reading this!!! (a huge snow flakes emoji… it is snowing here right now, and the snowflakes are huge!)

    ‘complex.’ I am thinking about this word right now, how did I get this way and is everyone on the planet on a spectrum from a simple to complex?“- like I wrote above, before reading this part, the mentally healthier I become, the less complex I am, and yes, complexity/ Simplicity has to be on a spectrum too.

    You know what, at least a silver lining of being ‘unseen’ is that I am familiar enough with the feeling that I just don’t expect people to see me“- that’s a good thing, to not expect it, and be delighted when it happens!

    Edit: I feel more seen by you than N, to an extreme degree“- this is a compliment as huge as the snow flakes falling right now, thank you for saying this!

    I will read and reply further later.

    anita

    in reply to: I love my girlfriend but im not happy #428264
    anita
    Participant

    Dear IMBACK:

    You are very welcome!

    I’m still on a break with her and I don’t really know if I should stop the break or wait it out so I don’t fall into the same pit with texting her so much that I don’t enjoy time with my friends“- if you can, wait it out and see a therapist while on a break with her.

    I also want to ask you if the feeling of not being in love with her could be caused because I don’t want to go up to the mountain again and that I unknowingly tell myself that I’m not in love with her so I’m more likely to not go back onto the mountain?“- yes, I believe that’s what it’s about.

    anita

    in reply to: I love my girlfriend but im not happy #428262
    anita
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    Dear IMBACK:

    What you are experiencing, I believe, is a mix of fear and love. When you love something, you want that something (or someone) in your life; when you are afraid of something, you want it out of your life. Your girlfriend is someone you love (and want in your life), and she, same person, represents something you fear (and want out of your life).

    The love part: “We just hit it off from the start. We had our first kiss and I was over the moon for this girl. We started messaging each other and we fell In love… We were together almost every day, and we wrote messages to each ALL THE TIME… every time we talked or wrote to each other I became happy…”

    The fear part: “A month ago..  I started questioning everything. I was not sure if she was THE ONE or what I was feeling… I could also feel that it got too much and that we needed space so the both of us could do something outside of the relationship… I started questioning my feelings for her…”.

    The problem: “I was not happy outside of the relationship. I had lost my friends and I barely talked to my parents anymore… . I was very lonely, and still am. I have still almost no friends“, “She was and is my only source of happiness. Nothing else makes me happy“-

    – a human being is a highly social animal (particularly teenagers, and you are 18), and like other social animals (wolves, dogs, etc.), if a social animal is alone for too long, it get anxious and depressed. A social animal is not meant to be alone. You live with your parents, I imagine, so you are not physically alone, and you go to school and parties, so again, you are not physically alone, but you are emotionally alone (aka lonely), and you have been emotionally alone for too long, lacking close, intimate connections with others.

    When you spend time with your girlfriend you feel so.. good, happy, it’s like being on top of the world, isn’t it? It is an emotional high made possible by chemicals secreted in the brain (neurotransmitters) and other chemicals secreted into your blood (hormones).

    After and in-between the times you spend with her, when you are back to being emotionally alone, it is too much of a shock to the system: it is like falling from the top of a mountain (being with her) to a deep valley underneath (being alone again). And so, your brain (thinking and overthinking) is looking for a solution to this scary emotional falling down experience, and the solution it comes up with is to not go to the top of the mountain anymore (to not  love her anymore, to not be in a relationship with her anymore). If you don’t go up the mountain, you will not fall, so the logic (behind the fear) goes.

    Yes thank you very much. I have one last thing. Could it maybe be that I just need space? We’ve been physically together almost everyday the last 7 month and we message each other all day, everyday“- You are welcome. The Problem is not that you spend too much time with her; it is that Fall I talked about above: the going back to the Low of loneliness after experiencing the High of spending time with her.

    when I think of her all the time, I get the thoughts of breaking up, but the less I think of her, the more I want to be together. I don’t know if this could mean something I just got the thought.“- yes, it means something: you will need to think of her less, but how can you make it happen (to think less of her)? I think that the answer is quality psychotherapy/ counseling where you form a close connection to a caring, capable therapist, thoroughly express your emotions and learn to regulate them, to lower the intensity of your distressing emotions (aka emotion regulation).

    anita

     

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