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anitaParticipantDear Nikki:
Welcome back 2 years and 26 days after you posted last (March 3, 2022), and C o N g R a T u L a T i O n S for being almost 4-years sober!
“As me and the whole ‘G’ situation I broke things off with him“- congratulations for this as well !
“I look back at the forum and can’t help but laugh a little at the way I was so confused about my feelings for him… I’ve learned a lot about myself and was in another relationship 2 months after ‘G’, and I stopped talking and that’s a whole forum in itself.“- you are welcome to share about having replaced your confusion with clarity, what you learned about yourself.. here in this forum, or in a new forum, if you choose to start one.
Again, good to read from you again!
anita
anitaParticipantDear Melissa:
“My question is because I’m begging for someone to help me… every woman I see, I think does he like her, was she like that, does anything remind him of her… I take full responsibility on how I treated him, and I feel terrible I hurt him, but this is another level.. has anyone been in something similar and can suggest anything to help me wipe it from my brain… Thank you to anyone who has listened and I appreciate your time.“- you are welcome. I am glad you posted (interestingly, you posted exactly 2 years after the thread started, May 29 of 2022!)
Yes, I experienced something very similar to the emotional- mental torture you are going through, and for a long time. I was obsessed with a man’s previous relationship, details replaying in my mind. I lived and re-lived his past as if it was mine, and as if it was still happening and re-happening.
Gladly, it’s all been a long time ago, and I am not stuck there anymore. What a relief!
The reason I was stuck in the man’s past is that I had unfinished business carried over from my past, my childhood- adolescence, to be exact. Growing up, the good life was happening to others, not to me: other girls had fun, later dated, had boyfriends.. but not me: I was so alone and lonely. In the home where I grew up: my mother was so positively attentive to guests, so nice to them, flattering them, telling them wonderful things about themselves, how great they are. But to me, 1-2-1, she said I was “a nothing, an absolute zero“, her words.
And so, I was envious and jealous of others. Fast forward, I was jealous of a man’s past girlfriend, as if she was still his girlfriend. It was my past emotional experience, that got re-activated in adulthood, in a different context.
More about your situation: after being together for about 11 years (in 2022), living together with children, you were sick and tired of the relationship and of life the way it was. You didn’t communicate to him how you were feeling and eventually, decided to end the relationship. He moved out and back to his parents. You lost weight, felt better, got on dating sites, enjoyed the attention, and still slept with your partner, including in mid-July 2023. You later found out that he slept with another woman six times around that time.
“To say I felt my heart break would be an understatement I burst out crying and sobbed… I was shaking gagging thinking I was dying, I’ve never felt pain like it“- a very strong reaction. Reads like a past pain being reactivated. I know this kind of pain, Melissa. I am sorry that you know it too.
“he swore and promise it was 3 times and used condoms.. few weeks later.. he finally admitted it was 6 times, no condoms… he said he never wanted to date this woman, didn’t really find her attractive, it was literally to try and get over me… he said …“- you’ve seen it in movies, haven’t you, a man interrogated by detectives long enough, trapped in the situation long enough, will say ANYTHING to get the interrogation over with. I don’t fault him for being inconsistent about the details.
“He is very, very remorseful… This was 9 months ago.. we are in love, plan to marry, and better than ever… Can someone really just forget someone they have had sex with 6 times and did those little things with them“(?)- yes, someone definitely can forget. And reads like he is dedicated to you.
“I find myself crying daily…. my brain says (there’s) more, he’s lying… why my brain is against me, I don’t know.. we are happy so why can’t I forget it like he has?”- the reason, seems to me, is that for him the 6 times were about those 6 times only, but for you, those 6 times are about much more: your childhood reactivated in an adult context.
“I take full responsibility on how I treated him and I feel terrible I hurt him“- someone in your childhood didn’t yet take full responsibility for terribly hurting you?
I hope to read more from you. I would like you to find peace with his past and more importantly, with your past. It’s not easy, but it can happen for you!
anita
anitaParticipantDear Shy:
I am glad that you started your thread. I just finished reading your first 2 paragraphs, and find your wording very interesting. I will comment on what I read so far, then read some more, comment (before reading what’s next), etc. The boldfaced indicates your words:
You described yourself as very quiet, a ghost. But I can already “hear” noise within you, the noise of doubt (“skeptical to a fault“) and guilt (“my situation is largely my fault… made myself unapproachable“).
You were bullied. In high school you were “always on my phone, unkempt, back of class“.
“You would think then, I’d feel greatly appreciative of my best friend… but I don’t enjoy her anymore“- I wouldn’t think that a person would (or should) necessarily feel greatly appreciative of their only in-real-life friend. I am curious to read further about how you feel about K.
“Lately when she messages me and a mutual acquaintance, often about work, I don’t have much motivation to open… I don’t feel surprised with her anymore, or a spark. It’s on life support for me but again, I feel terrible about it“- reads to me that you feel that you should feel differently about K, and you feel guilty that you don’t feel the way you are.. supposed to feel.
“Any advice from anyone who’s been here? Or close to?”- yes, allow yourself to feel what you feel. It is your fundamental, biological right to feel all that you feel. You don’t have to justify what you feel.
We don’t choose what we feel. No personal choice= no personal responsibility= no valid guilt.
We have some choice as to what we say, type, and do. There’s personal responsibility when it comes to what we put out there into the world, but no personal responsibility to what we feel inside ourselves, in that distance in-between our ears.
How should you act then, toward K, what should you say/ type to her, if anything? My answer to my own question: don’t fake a spark, feeling surprised with her, a motivation you don’t have. Be true to yourself and be kind to her at the same time.
Can you do these two things: being true to yourself (and therefore, being kind to yourself) and being kind to her?
anita
anitaParticipantDear Kshitij:
You are very welcome. Yes, I do believe that you don’t deserve to suffer, very much so!
“Can I send a detailed reply to your thread by tomorrow EOD?“- yes, in the End Of the Day (I googled that, didn’t know the acronym..)
“In the meantime, I have a question- Are these intrusive thoughts that I experience or flashbacks? Or a mix of both?“- both, these are intrusive thoughts (thoughts that disturb you a lot) and intrusive memories aka flashbacks (memories that disturb you a lot). Flashbacks are visual and/ or auditory memories, as well memories that are strictly emotional and physical- no picture and no sound to the memories, only the emotional and tactile re-experiencing of the trauma.
anita
anitaParticipantDear Zenith:
“I should not wear shorts in front of my on laws. I have to dress certain way… I hate the fact that I have to suppress my personality in front of them.“- think of it this way, if you will: here in the U.S., where you live, you still have to suppress your personality in regard to what you wear, depending on the place you are in: you can wear a bikini to the swimming pool, but not to the supermarket; you go for a jog wearing sweats, but not to a party; certain restaurants have dress codes… so you/ we all adjust to the place we’re in. And so, you adjust to your in-laws’ home by wearing long pants in their home/ in their company.
Prepare for your visit in India, prepare your reactions to different scenarios. That will make it easier for you, once you are there.
“I hate…”- Try to not hate anyone or anything because your hate hurts you: it’s unnecessary suffering for you. And I wouldn’t want you to suffer when it’s .. optional, when you don’t have to!
anita
anitaParticipantDear Going Through Life:
You are welcome! I am glad to read that indeed, you want to keep yourself focused on your goas, and not go through attachment issues at this time.
“feels like I’m stuck and wanna still say a lot to her“- this is an opportunity to journal: to type away all that you want to say to her (privately, or here on your thread).
anita
anitaParticipantDear Zenith:
That wasn’t a rant, only 10 sentences (I counted, lol). Good thing you don’t suppress yourself at home and with your parents. You said that you will spend most of your time in India with your parents. Is this still the plan? That would make your visit a less suppressive/ more expressive, way better for your health!
“It’s just when I am with my in laws and co workers or with new people“- I remember that you shared about the rich relatives who used to criticize your parents who were poor, a long time ago. I wonder if you are projecting your very critical and rude relatives into your in-laws, as in re-experiencing your critical relatives when you are spending time with your in-laws (who may be rich too, like the relatives?)
“I tell my kiddo others’ opinion doesn’t matter and how people react is beyond your control. But its hard for me to follow. I have become so highly sensitive“- if you found a way to lessen this sensitivity.. to calm it down enough so that you can follow your own advice..
anita
anitaParticipantDear Zenith:
“Maybe I should zone out when they (say) something stupid“- Maybe you can zone out before anyone says something stupid?
I used to zone out a lot and nothing that was said around me registered in my brain, it’s part of my ADD, Attention Deficit. Nowadays, it happens when people talk too much, it tires me.
“I am always worried about other people.. if I am making them sad by saying no blah blah… I am always worried I would say something stupid… I suppress myself.”
-I too was so worried about hurting other people, not only with the words I said, but with the words I should have said, but didn’t; worried that I’d hurt people with the expressions on my face, by what did or didn’t do (but should have done). It was an endless, tiring, exhausting way to live. I was like under a magnifying glass, in my own mind, criticizing my every thought, my every word, expression, act. I used to get so ANGRY for.. not being free, free to just live, to just be without that critical overseer.
I used to suppress myself most of the time. It was so difficult! It was crazy-making. It is so important to express, at least sometimes, to fully, genuinely, simply express oneself.
I wish you can start doing it at work, in small portions, just a bit here, a bit there. Same in India, at home, anywhere and everywhere.
anita
anitaParticipantDear Zenith:
“It’s just I am worried about people’s (in laws and relatives) judgement. I don’t have the confidence to stand up for myself and be assertive… Due to this anxiety it would be hard for me to face people’s judgement in India“- I wonder if, when you are there with in-laws and relatives, if you can tune out to what they are saying and focus on interacting with children, if children are present, or focus on things in the background? Or you can “listen” to a song in your head, instead of listening to what they are saying? (I am ale to do that.. without even trying, lol).
“The other big thing is my fear with procession of Hindu gods. That would take when I am vacationing in India. I am worried that would trigger me“- can you stay home during the procession?
“Lately, I feel like I am living my life for others. I am a people pleaser“- lately more than before? How?
anita
anitaParticipantDear Zenith:
You are probably very busy getting ready for the flight to India, maybe you are on the plane right now: I wanted to wish you and your family safe travels, and to wish you a good visit with your mother!
anita
anitaParticipantContinued:
Once I understand, deeply, thoroughly, that she and I were always separated, never together, there is no reason, no purpose to keep her falsehoods in me. No reason, no purpose in being loyal to her.
There is simply no way, there has been no way for me to be together with her, she just wouldn’t, couldn’t.. wouldn’t be with me. And so, I could only imagine that I was with her, that there was a Together.
As a child, it was not a biological possibility for me to understand that I was alone. I had to imagine a together, so to not perish in terrible, deadly alone-ness.
And now, I can understand that there was no together. I don’t need to imagine a together with her. I can be together with other people, others who are way less resistant (than my mother) to being together with me.
Healing, sobering up, is not about separating from her, it’s about deeply, thoroughly understanding that she couldn’t, wouldn’t be with me, for me. Not because of a fault in the child-me, but a lack of an ability and willingness on her part to be together with anyone.
– To be continued-
anita
anitaParticipantContinued:
I am accepting some truths, letting these truths sink in, letting them really sink in, and I can see the difference in my daily emotional experience and behavior. My life was bad while my brain was assaulted by untruths spewed by my mother (directly and indirectly, via her voice in my brain, in her physical absence); my life is getting better as my brain is rejecting her untruths (there’re so many, many of untruth that she assaulted my brain with).
Peeling off her Falsehoods, is leaving me with what is True.
The falsehoods are not just what she told me (and she told me a whole lots of falsehoods), it is also what I told myself so to make sense of her falsehoods, and so to maintain loyalty to her, falsehoods such as me and her being a team, us against the world (and therefore, being on her side, against everyone). There was never a team, never a we, as in me and my mother (not outside my imagination).
I only imagined she and I were a team, that’s what I needed to believe so to not really know how alone I was.
Strangely, my healing is not about separating myself from her; it’s about knowing we were always separated.
To be continued-
anita
anitaParticipantI want to add: it shouldn’t be about you and your husband, about who is right, and who is wrong. It should be about the mental health of the children the two of you brought into the world. And so, for as long as you are living with your husband, do keep your cool, every day.
anita
anitaParticipantDear Lily Margarette:
“My husband is selfish. He can never put himself in any one else’s position but his own… I kept my feelings to myself. But.. later today…on the weekend of our daughter’s religious presentation… I’m fuming… I’m really angry now… Now.. the sulking will begin, the slamming doors and being rude… How do I keep my cool? ..my daughter will be upset considering everyone else will be there with their families..”–
– You asked how do you keep your cool because you can put yourself in your 3 children’s shoes (ages 14, 11 and 8, this coming September), and you know how damaging expressed anger in the home is to children, your own children, more damaging than a father not showing up to a religious presentation. Your job, as a mother, is indeed to keep the home as calm as possible because this is what your children need.
Therefore, for as long as you live with your husband in the home, please see to it that your children are not threatened by slamming doors and rude voices and words. Perhaps you can see a medical doctors for a prescription to help you keep calm at this time, temporarily, for now?
Thank you for caring to keep your cool, this is what a good mother does.
anita
anitaParticipantDear Going Through Life:
I am doing well, thank you for being as appreciative and gracious as you are!
“I feel like just texting her again out of the blue, but that will be really illogical“- I agree, that would be illogical.
“I met someone else… Let’s call her SS. She’s nice and sweet and she’s smart too. It’s been going well with her till now but I haven’t come into a relationship with her right now. I’m still thinking about it“- it’s a good thing (!) that you are not in a rush with SS (an acronym for Sweet & Smart?)
“Apart from that my life has taken a busy turn and I’m much more focused on my goals at the moment“- I am glad to read that you are focused on your goals, and not rushing into a relationship!
* On Jan 30, you wrote: “I agree with the fearful avoidant attachment style… when I think someone will love me I will end up pushing them away. I’m scared of that deep commitment“- better approach the prospect of a relationship at a later time, when you are more prepared to manage the challenges of a relationship.
anita
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