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anitaParticipant
Dear Clara:
I realized yesterday that it was 6 days since you last posted and was going to submit a how-are-you inquiry post, but knew that I was going to be out for the rest of the day and wouldn’t be able to answer (at least not thoroughly) if you answered on the same day. Good to read from you today, a week following your last post!
“I am slowly adjusting to my pace. I begin to get used to being alone in the house… Yesterday she returned something and put it in the lobby of my building. I don’t know why but I cried immediately when I stepped foot in my flat… She still has something left in my flat“- I wish that she’d return all that belongs to you, and take all that belongs to her, all at once, so to no longer re-ignite your attachment to her. It isn’t fair to you!
“If she came back today, I think I would still want to be together… However, I also feel that I am moving on to find myself and to try to see other people and the world“- a moving on to the New while still attached to the Old: this is what healing from a breakup is about.
“I also got some photos of my family and my travel, and I hang them around the house. I feel this made the flat belongs to me a bit more.“- bit by bit: well done, Clara!
anita
anitaParticipantDear Helcat:
I like the title of the book, “Secure Love“- I think that this is what love is about: to cause the object of our love to feel secure in our love (as much as it is possible to do). To be worthy of our loved-one’s trust.
“We have both been through some very similar things. It’s crazy how two people (our mothers) can be so alike on different sides of the world from different cultures. It is a shame that we had those experiences. No child deserves that“- It is indeed a shame, and neither little girl anita, nor little girl Helcat, two vulnerable girls on different sides of the world, deserved it.
“I’m very tired and I need to pace myself with the exercises in that book. Bringing up my trauma hurts a lot… I hope that it can help to unpick, the past from the present and make the present less painful, so the past can stay in the past“- it’s a gentle process, no rushing it, as you know.
I haven’t been in contact with my mother for over 10 years (May 2013 was the last time I talked to her on the phone. On Jan 2014 I sent her a message through my sister). A few days ago, I heard a mention of her and that she (still) has big pictures of me on the wall in her apartment. At first I felt a tinge of emotion/ guilt, as in my loving mother has pictures of me on her wall, and I am depriving her from contact with me. But then I realized it’s a lie, that her presentation (on the wall) is a false presentation.
A huge, necessary part in my eventual success (to a large extent) in separating the past from the present, and leaving the past in the past, has been separating truth from lies: she claimed (still claims, I am guessing), to love me, but a person who loves does not terrorize, and repeatedly, the supposed object of their love: never to address what they did, never to express regret for what they did, never to repent for what they did, and do their best to correct and make amends.
* by terrorize, I mean, in my case: explicit and expanded-upon threats to kill herself, threats to kill me, actual beatings (hitting my face/ body with her hands, arms and legs), and explicit and expanded-upon verbal shaming, false accusations, and guilt-tripping, going on and on and on until she was exhausted (and then accsing me for … exhausting her).
“Sleep deprivation really is a form of torture“- there was a time when I slept less than I do now, staying up at night thinking, so much so that for the longest time I just got up and posted on tiny buddha in the very early hours of every day, giving up the efforts to sleep. I sleep much better now, in comparison. An attitude change that helped me was, that at one point, while lying awake, I decided to no longer try to or expect to sleep. Instead, I expected to rest (while awake).
Another thing that helps sometimes is that while awake, since I am thinking (and can’t not-think), I choose to think not about current happenings and people in my life, but about someone or something that has never has been part of my life. it’s a more.. rest and sleep-compatible kind of thinking
“I managed to control my feelings and talk to my husband from a place of vulnerability, it went well.“- well done, Helcat!
anita
anitaParticipantGood Saturday morning, Jasmine. I hope that you and your son have a restful, pleasant weekend. You are welcome to post and share about your thoughts and feelings anytime.
anita
August 17, 2024 at 7:22 am in reply to: My boyfriend is traveling & I had surgery. I feel abandoned #436299anitaParticipantDear StrormMako:
I am glad that you finally talked to your boyfriend and that he made more of an effort to talk to you yesterday. I hope that your boyfriend will not be regularly traveling for work.
How are you feeling today?
“My boyfriend is traveling & I had surgery. I feel abandoned… I know he is so overwhelmed yet I feel so abandoned… I don’t have a very trustful or emotional connection with my mom, so he is so important to me“- I think that earlier in your life, you lost trust in your mother (to whom you were very much emotionally attached) because in some meaningful way, or ways, she abandoned you and betrayed your trust.
Fast forward, in your vulnerable state post-surgery, your boyfriend (to whom you are very emotionally attached) travels for work, and your past painful abandonment experience awakened in the present time.
“He’s my world… I miss him so much… Am I playing the victim too much in my head here?… I feel guilty that I expected more from him when he is obviously very overwhelmed… I still feel guilty for feeling abandoned… Anxiety really does blur the whole picture“- (1) I think that much of your anxiety is about the awakened abandonment experience, (2) that feelings of guilt from your childhood also awakened, (3) perhaps your mother portrayed herself as a victim, and you don’t want to be like her in context of your relationship with your boyfriend..?
anita
anitaParticipantThank you, Jasmine. I hope that you enjoy your day too!
anita
August 16, 2024 at 1:40 pm in reply to: My boyfriend is traveling & I had surgery. I feel abandoned #436276anitaParticipantDear StormMako:
I will reply further later, maybe as late as tomorrow, but for now, in regard to: “I still feel guilty for feeling“- there is no real, or valid guilt in feeling anything. Whatever you feel now, or felt then, is not a matter of your choice. No Choice = No Guilt.
What we say and do is subject to choice, not what we feel.
“What is your advice for feeling guilty about something as silly as this situation?”- you did not say or do anything wrong. Rest in this fact, best you can.
(I used to feel guilty about anything and everything because my mother raised me on guilt, guilt-tripping me on a regular basis).
anita
anitaParticipantDear Jasmine:
Yes, rarely do things go exactly as planned, often not even close to as planned. We need to allow for our own imperfections, and for other people’s imperfections, to patiently and forgivingly progress, one step forward at a time, just like you wrote.
(I will soon be away from the computer for the rest of the day).
anita
anitaParticipantDear Jasmine;
Yes, keep at the goal no matter how you feel, but allow for slower days and some temporary regressions. So, you are waiting for a phone call so to complete the intake form by phone. Yes, one step at a time!
anita
anitaParticipantDear Helcat:
“To feel close to you, I need to know: You value me and our relationship, You’ll respond to me in moments where I reach out to you… You hold me in high esteem, You are willing to see and understand me, My feelings are valid to you, You respect me.. I can trust your love and loyalty, You can trust my love and loyalty“- very well articulated: this is true to me too.
“Growing up, I didn’t have those things. I realised that I literally never had a single person care for my emotional needs as a child“- I could have written this.
“97% of the time our relationship is good“- congratulations for 97%!
“Since having a baby some of the things that have been said during arguments have hurt. Only 3 times. But the pain lingers in that part of me.“- my little prayer: may we forgive ourselves and others whenever possible, wherever appropriate. In this messy, chaotic world, may we focus on the positive and the orderly (the sane), and may we help each other be better and better people.
anita
August 16, 2024 at 10:15 am in reply to: My boyfriend is traveling & I had surgery. I feel abandoned #436267anitaParticipantDear StormMako:
I hope that you fully recover from the surgery and the complication!
“My mom kept my boyfriend up to date as best as she could. He’s in another city for work for 3 days (and left the day after my surgery) and I’ve barely spoken to him… I know he’s busy with meetings and meeting new people. I know he is so overwhelmed yet I feel so abandoned… He’s my world and he’s so incredibly loyal“- try to look at the situation from different angles, to consider possibilities you didn’t think of:
Is it possible that your boyfriend expressed his anxiety about your post-surgery situation to your mother, maybe repeatedly, and she calmed him down so that he can focus on this very important work-related travel, for the benefit of his career (and for your benefit, if you live with him, or marry him)?
If so, from your point of view so far, he was indifferent to your post-surgery situation, but from his point of view, he was not indifferent, it’s just that he didn’t talk about it with you.
He left the day after your surgery. Was it before a post-surgery complication became evident? If so, maybe your mother didn’t tell him about the complication, so that he can focus on his work. It might be that she minimized the complication and told him that you were being taken care of very well, so to ease his anxiety.
It’s possible that he sent you messages through your mother, telling her to tell you tat he loves you, etc.
“Am I just overreacting? Am I asking too much? Am I playing the victim too much in my head here?“- I don’t think you are asking too much, but not having enough information about the situation from his point of view, you are making assumptions that may be incorrect.
You wrote that it’s the first time he travels for work. This travel may be very important for his career and for his relationship with you. So, it may be that he is anxious about his career-success or failure, while you are anxious about your post-surgery situation and about your worry that he doesn’t care.
When we are anxious, we don’t do our best thinking: we focus on one thing, one corner of the picture, and ignore other things (not seeing the whole picture).
If he is ignoring you at this time, temporarily, it may be forgivable (if he was assured that you are in no danger)..?
“I don’t know what to do.“- I would wait until he returns from his travel, if I was you, before I express to him your feeling abandoned, etc., so that he can indeed focus on his work.
anita
anitaParticipantDear jasmine:
“Yes we can think together on how to make that change happen“- making progress is indeed way easier when we feel positive and excited than when we feel negative and depressed. Key is to keep at it regardless of how we feel. Easier said than done, of course. Yet, I see no other way to making progress on an ongoing basis.
“Yes, I still motivate myself daily with positive affirmations“- you can continue to make progress, Jasmine: you have what it takes!
“I started the process already I reached out to my local career center to apply for them to pay for the training class. Once I complete the 6 weeks to 8 weeks of training I receive my certificate. This will not be a overnight process I’d say within the next 6months because of the training payment assistance.“- congratulations for starting the process! So, at this point, you are waiting for the career center to approve your application to have your training class paid for?
anita
anitaParticipantRe-submitting the last part (trying to clear text of excess print):
– here is something that can help from Cleveland clinic. org/Peter Pan Syndrome May Have You Saying, ‘I Don’t Want To Grow Up’: “… for some, growing up seems near impossible — so much so, that their immaturity can ruin relationships… Growing up is particularly difficult for people who have what’s popularly known as Peter Pan syndrome… Peter Pan syndrome (PPS), while not a recognized diagnosis, is a popular psychology term used to describe an adult who has difficulty growing up. The term is derived from the fictional character of Peter Pan, a magical boy who never grows old… ‘Much like Peter Pan, these individuals experience a failure to launch or a refusal to grow up… There’s sort of an egocentric nature to them…
“people with PPS will often seek out others who have what’s called Wendy syndrome. Named after… Peter Pan’s friend, Wendy syndrome also isn’t an official diagnosis, but a popular psychology term used to describe an adult who is empathetic, nurturing and even self-sacrificing…. people who are highly nurturing and want to be of service to others…
“In the beginning, it’s a match made in heaven. You have someone with PPS who’s really fun and charismatic that draws this other person in, and the person who has Wendy syndrome is able to be there for them, support them and offer suggestions to try to better them. But the problem is that it eventually backfires, and the person with Wendy syndrome inevitably starts to feel taken advantage of… With the Peter Pan and Wendy syndromes, the relationship ultimately falls apart when both people are at odds with each other’s behaviors.
“People with Wendy syndrome tend to experience emotional burnout because they’re constantly feeling like they’re giving and giving and not getting anything in return… At the same time, people with PPS may feel that their partner is controlling, trying to change them… As people with PPS have difficulty maintaining healthy boundaries, they’ll often jump from one person or relationship to the next in search of people who enable their behaviors…
”For people with Peter Pan syndrome, their distress tolerance is very low, which leads them to avoid certain situations because there’s this tendency to not be able to hold onto or tolerate these more difficult feelings… When conflicts arise or the person who has PPS is confronted about their lack of maturity, even having a healthy, productive conversation may prove to be difficult… Without being able to tolerate distress, it’s really hard to hear any criticism and therefore it becomes really difficult to have mature conflict resolution…
”Like most things related to psychology, the characteristics of Peter Pan syndrome exist on a spectrum, and what’s problematic for some may not be problematic for others… For therapy to work, they need to be willing to recognize and discuss what changes they want for their life and the cost of continuing if they do not make these changes… Often, at the core of entitled and self-centered behavior is very low self-esteem… Therapy can help people improve their self-esteem…
”And often, the core of therapy sessions revolves around increasing one’s distress tolerance… What often happens with people who have a low distress tolerance is that the minute something uncomfortable bubbles up, they push it away. They’re not even really knowing what they’re feeling… So, we start by naming our feelings… asking yourself questions like: What are you feeling right now? Can you locate in your body where you’re feeling it?… Making space for feelings is challenging for many people because they’re used to pushing them away or distracting themselves from difficult emotions… it’s about staying with that feeling and trying to give it more life as opposed to fleeing from it or avoiding it. By doing this, you’re building that distress tolerance”.
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anita
anitaParticipantDear butterfly:
You are welcome. This will be a long reply because I will include quotes from all your posts as well as quotes from an online article.
From your recent post: “he is literally physically up and in front of me waving for my attention or tapping on the floor to get my attention. lol“- like a child, a young boy trying to get his busy-mother’s attention, not yet able to regulate his emotions/ to tolerate distress.
“Adapting to him is something I already do a lot“- perhaps Adopting him is something more appropriate to do, lol.
“I think I need to properly assert what is that I am willing to accept and what is not okay to me“- like a mother trying to figure out how to discipline an unruly child.
But the child is a man who doesn’t want to be disciplined/ to grow up. From your previous posts:
“he LOVES when I am here too since he can share everything that happens at his job… he wants to share that spontaneously, when it happens“- he loves it when his mother is around, so he can tell her everything that happens on the playground: look Mom, Nathan just pushed Sarah down the slide, he shouldn’t have!
“He admitted to be very intense and would not change as it has always been like this“- he’s always been a child, and he would not change being a child. He doesn’t want to grow up.
“I told him that I would build a wall and separate my office from his physically… He said that he would still open the door and barge in“- like a child: I want to talk to you when I want to. Now!
“he said that it removes all the fun and spontaneous interactions we had“- happy children are about fun and spontaneity, anytime, anywhere.
“Where I went too far was when I said that ‘normal’ people needed time apart and their own space during office hours“- normal children don’t want time apart when they don’t want it. They want it only when they want it.
“I think I am judging him to be clingy and immature“- immature, yes, like a young child.
“I understand that he has some work to do on himself“- I don’t think that he wants to grow up and abide by grown-up rules: that’s not fun!
“He is not able to control his impulsivity (proof of that is the entire past year)“- he doesn’t want to control his impulsivity (whether he is able or not).
“it is my own house, I bought it a month before meeting him. I wanted to do a fixer-upper project“- and you ended up with a fixer-upper boyfriend project (transforming him from boy to man)?
“Am I wrong for trying not to label my boyfriend?“- notice that in this reply, I did not and will not use a psychiatric label for him: there is no need for it.
Back to your recent post:
“I don’t think he is initiating the fights all the time, it’s mostly me being sensitive to his emotional bursts and me trying to fix his behaviour“- a fixer upper project?
“He says so many people always tells him that he always look irritated or grumpy“- because he often doesn’t get his way/ because much of the world is run by grown-up rules..?
“Sometimes, I am not really in the mood myself and I offload, but afterwards I retreat to my little corner and I expected him to do that instead of offloading on me all the time. He has to moderate for god sakes“- he needs time out, doesn’t he, so that he can learn to be by himself when he doesn’t feel like it.
“Both of us are sensitive. I started feeling angry inside more often than not, and maybe that’s a good thing to now be able to feel the anger instead of suppressing it, but I don’t like the frequency of that feeling“- he gets to be a child at your expense.
“He says he is very curious about what I do and says I never tell him anything, but when I start talking he loses focus“- because when you tell him about you, you are not talking about him, and you are keeping him away from.. what he would rather do..?
“I have to deal with feeling unseen a lot“- a mother’s job is to see the child; it’s not the child’s job to see the mother. Indeed parenting, the way it should be, is very much a selfless project.
“I also feel the only things I can do peacefully at home is when I know I’m not going to get interrupted“- like a mother who needs a break from her always- there, always active/ demanding child.
“What issues am I creating myself? I think sometimes I withdraw too much and that creates anxiety for him“- children do get anxious when their mother withdraws.
“the question I ask myself is: are we able to adapt to each other?“- are you willing to adapt to the role of a mother? I don’t think he is willing to adapt to the role of a grown-up.
“I also just booked couple’s therapy. I have been insisting for a few months and he finally gave in“-
– here is something that can help from Cleveland clinic. org/Peter Pan Syndrome May Have You Saying, ‘I Don’t Want To Grow Up’: “… for some, growing up seems near impossible — so much so, that their immaturity can ruin relationships… Growing up is particularly difficult for people who have what’s popularly known as Peter Pan syndrome… Peter Pan syndrome (PPS), while not a recognized diagnosis, is a popular psychology term used to describe an adult who has difficulty growing up. The term is derived from the fictional character of Peter Pan, a magical boy who never grows old… ‘Much like Peter Pan, these individuals experience a failure to launch or a refusal to grow up… There’s sort of an egocentric nature to them…
“people with PPS will often seek out others who have what’s called Wendy syndrome. Named after… Peter Pan’s friend, Wendy syndrome also isn’t an official diagnosis, but a popular psychology term used to describe an adult who is empathetic, nurturing and even self-sacrificing…. people who are highly nurturing and want to be of service to others…
<p class=”text-gray-800 my-rem16px text-rem19px leading-rem34px ” data-identity=”paragraph-element”>“In the beginning, it’s a match made in heaven. You have someone with PPS who’s really fun and charismatic that draws this other person in, and the person who has Wendy syndrome is able to be there for them, support them and offer suggestions to try to better them. But the problem is that it eventually backfires, and the person with Wendy syndrome inevitably starts to feel taken advantage of… With the Peter Pan and Wendy syndromes, the relationship ultimately falls apart when both people are at odds with each other’s behaviors.</p>
<p class=”text-gray-800 my-rem16px text-rem19px leading-rem34px ” data-identity=”paragraph-element”>“People with Wendy syndrome tend to experience emotional burnout because they’re constantly feeling like they’re giving and giving and not getting anything in return… At the same time, people with PPS may feel that their partner is controlling, trying to change them… As people with PPS have difficulty maintaining healthy boundaries, they’ll often jump from one person or relationship to the next in search of people who enable their behaviors…</p>
<p data-identity=”paragraph-element”>”For people with Peter Pan syndrome, their distress tolerance is very low, which leads them to avoid certain situations because there’s this tendency to not be able to hold onto or tolerate these more difficult feelings… When conflicts arise or the person who has PPS is confronted about their lack of maturity, even having a healthy, productive conversation may prove to be difficult… Without being able to tolerate distress, it’s really hard to hear any criticism and therefore it becomes really difficult to have mature conflict resolution…</p>
<p data-identity=”paragraph-element”>”Like most things related to psychology, the characteristics of Peter Pan syndrome exist on a spectrum, and what’s problematic for some may not be problematic for others… For therapy to work, they need to be willing to recognize and discuss what changes they want for their life and the cost of continuing if they do not make these changes… Often, at the core of entitled and self-centered behavior is very low self-esteem… Therapy can help people improve their self-esteem…</p>
<p data-identity=”paragraph-element”>”And often, the core of therapy sessions revolves around increasing one’s distress tolerance… What often happens with people who have a low distress tolerance is that the minute something uncomfortable bubbles up, they push it away. They’re not even really knowing what they’re feeling… So, we start by naming our feelings… asking yourself questions like: What are you feeling right now? Can you locate in your body where you’re feeling it?… Making space for feelings is challenging for many people because they’re used to pushing them away or distracting themselves from difficult emotions… it’s about staying with that feeling and trying to give it more life as opposed to fleeing from it or avoiding it. By doing this, you’re building that distress tolerance”.</p>
<p data-identity=”paragraph-element”>End of quotes.</p>
<p data-identity=”paragraph-element”>anita</p>anitaParticipantDear butterfly: I will read and reply by Fri morning (it’s Thurs early afternoon here).
anita
anitaParticipantDear Jasmine:
I just finished reading through our 24-page communication on your other thread. A short walk on memory lane:
On March 16-17, 2021, I wrote to you: “As a kid, you had hope for the future, the future held promise, didn’t it? For a child, there is a promise in the air, a promise in the way the sun hits the green grass, or the frost on the ground- that life can be and will be wonderful soon enough. There is an energy in a child, a curiosity, a hope that is hard to extinguish…
“When we are depressed, the feeling-alive, hopeful and curious- these feelings are still in us, masked and muted. Sometimes these feelings come to life just a bit, and we take some action for a better life (ex., exercise so to lose weight and get fit, study for a GED so to get a better job), but these feelings get muted too soon and we find ourselves depressed yet again, abandoning our efforts to make our lives better. It is very difficult to change this emotional dynamic of short part- awakenings and long-term depression, but it is possible. If you want to, we can think together about how to make this change happen“- I wonder what you think about the above, 3 years and 5 months after I wrote it..?
On Aug 6, 2022, I wrote to you: “Your own success story is your current daily motivation- this is much better than someone else’s success story being your motivation: you succeeded one way=> you can succeed in another way=> .. and in yet another way, one day at a time, patiently“.
Aug 9: “You are amazing, Emily“.
You wrote on Sept 5, 2022: “One day I’m gonna have a success story to tell because despite of all the pain I endured I’m still improving myself“, and I responded with: “you already have a success story to tell, an ongoing- continuing story. Thank you for telling it!”
You wrote on that day: “My pain makes my success story unique because sometimes I didn’t know how I was going to survive but I always do“, and I responded with: “this sentence should be framed and hung on the wall.. on many walls in many places- for people to read and be inspired by“.
On Oct 5, 2022 you asked me: “why do you think I’m amazing?“, and I answered: “because even though you have had a very difficult life from the very beginning, you are an intelligent, courageous, positive, responsible, resourceful, gracious and honest woman: no ‘poor me’ mentality, no guilt-tripping anyone, no passive-aggressive expressions… and this is very rare! You suffered many misfortunes and lost a lot in life… (yet) You always looked for a higher paying job and a better life for you and for your second child: you bought fitness equipment, read motivational books… You persisted with studying and passing the various tests and in July 27, 2022 (I believe), you earned your GED!“.
On Oct 10, 2023, you deleted your account, and posted for the last time, on that day (following my inquiry): “Dear Anita, I should have mentioned to you that I was taking a break from venting . I still don’t have answers to all my problems. I have made progress but I’m still not where I want to be . Maybe I’ll start a thread…“.
And indeed, you started a new thread ten months and 4 days later, on Aug 14, 2024: “I currently cook at a high school… I’ve had so many jobs, within the last couple of years… I think one of the most meaningful jobs I ever had was my Nursing Assistant Job at age 18.. Long Term Care facilities work schedule don’t work with school hours, but I can afford my bills and there is room for growth“- You had different jobs: a Certified Nursing Assistant, a Cashier, a Security Officer, a Preschool teacher/ assistant, a bus driver, a delivery driver. And the most meaningful job for you was a Certified Nurse Assistant. I hope that you can make it happen, Jasmine! What are the steps to make it happen?
anita
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