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  • in reply to: Old Journal- things that pierce the human heart #441473
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Peter:

    “So, this topic thread isn’t about looking for help or trying to fix something, but about journals. Wondering if anyone else has old journals and were surprised but what they wrote back when. Feel free to add thoughts or your own meanderings from any old journal entries you might have”-

    – Inspired by your invitation I just accessed one of a few very, very thick folders I have, full of printed pages that I typed or copied and pasted. I’ll start with a poem that was presented to me in 2011 by the therapist (a CBT + Mindfulness therapist) I was seeing at the time, my first quality psychotherapy, as I refer to it. This poem started me on my healing path which continues to this day, mostly in the context of these tiny buddha forums, on a daily basis, ever since May 2015. When I deleted my account on Feb 2023 and did not post through Aug 2023, I still read and studied posts on the forums.

    * The separation of the poem into paragraphs as follows (the format) is my doing. The words are Roger Start Keyes’s words, an art historian and a York Zen (a Zen Buddhist meditation group based in York, Northern England) who studied Katsushika Hokusai (1760-1849), a Japanese artist. Here is the poem that started me on the healing part close to 14 years ago:

    “Hokusai says look carefully. He says pay attention, notice. He says keep looking, stay curious. He says there is no end to seeing. He says look forward to getting old. He says keep changing, you just get more who you really are. He says get stuck, accept it, repeat yourself as long as it is interesting. He says keep doing what you love. He says keep praying. He says every one of us is a child, every one of us is ancient, every one of us has a body.

    “He says every one of us is frightened. He says every one of us has to find a way to live with fear.

    “He says everything is alive– shells, buildings, people, fish, mountains, trees, wood is alive. Water is alive. Everything has its own life. Everything lives inside us. He says live with the world inside you.

    “He says it doesn’t matter if you draw or write books. It doesn’t matter if you saw wood or catch fish. It doesn’t matter if you sit at home and stare at the ants on your veranda or the shadows of the trees and grasses in your garden. It matters that you care. It matters that you feel. It matters that you notice. It matters that life lives through you.

    “Contentment is life living through you. Joy is life living through you. Satisfaction and strength is life living through you. Peace is life living through you.

    “He says don’t be afraid. Don’t be afraid. Look, feel, let life take you by the hand. Let life live through you.”

    As I was rereading the above poem today, I was thinking about you, Peter. In my mind, it’s as if it was written just for you. But then, it’s as if it was written just for me, and it’s very relevant to every moment, every day of my life still.

    I am now looking for something to share from my massive journal entries in one of the folders (difficult because it’s in small print… looking for some old reading glasses) … To my surprise I see a page I typed sometime in the summer of 2008. There, I summarized information I read in a self-help book. Here’s part of it: “Harsh self-criticism lowers one’s motivation, increases anger, guilt and limitation”. What amazes me about these words is that at the time, more than 16 years ago, I wasn’t even close to a significant measure of understanding these words. Now I see that it was a strictly intellectual understanding, nothing that penetrated any deeper than the surface. It is only recently that I understand and practice self- compassion in the place of harsh self- criticism. This shift is a new practice for me.

    Turning the pages, I fast forward to Jan 2013. I can see that I was deep into an eating disorder (binge eating) at the time, tortured, obsessed… Here’s something from Jan 2, 2013: “(My therapist’s name) said it has been THE FIGHT OF MY LIFE to BE SEEN”. Here is a part of what I wrote on Jan 28, 2013 (in hand- writing, a sort of a poem in the language I grew up with, translated here): “I waited for a long, long time- I waited and waited for her (my mother) to hear me… Why don’t you hear me?… You (my mother) placed me in a prison of anger- a prison of fear- and I can’t get out…”.

    My notes today: going over the (many, so many) pages was sometimes stressful to read, feeling that same-old, same old deep emotional pain that I don’t want to feel again.

    I mentioned above having been imprisoned in fear and anger. I didn’t mention, in that poem, having been imprisoned in Guilt. I felt too guilty to become an autonomous entity, too guilty to exist outside of my mother. Under her disturbing dominance, I was psychologically dead, or very much dying on a regular basis (outside moments of forgetting, daydreaming). Now, I can call it emotional enmeshment, a psychological entrapment. I craved freedom from her for more than half a century.

    She was my jailer, no doubt. Through her histrionics, protracted self-pity episodes, expressing her suicidal ideation to me, at length, blaming me, at length, many, many times, while there was no seeing ME, no hearing ME, I was unfree to be. Me. There in the home I grew up in, there was no ME. There was ONLY her. No autonomy for me, no self-agency; no empowered, self-directed existence for me. Enmeshment was indeed suffocating to the extreme. I was suffocated but still physically alive.

    Feeling disconnected from myself and from others was my brand of living- dying. It was an incredibly isolating and disorienting experience: I didn’t really know what I wanted, what I believed, couldn’t therefore make decisions or set goals because of this not-knowing. Had a sense of aimlessness, as if I was drifting through life without direction or meaning. Growing up, joy and excitement were muted, absent except for when daydreaming while listening to music when I was alone, without her being there in-person. I felt like an observer, detached from my actions or inactions, disconnected from my body and experiences. I felt profoundly lonely, emotionally cut off from the inside and from the outside, not fitting in or belonging anywhere.

    This persistent sense of disconnection led to my experience of chronic anxiety, hopelessness, helplessness, physical fatigue and exhaustion on a regular basis.

    Thank you, Peter, for the opportunity to find a pair of reading glasses that makes it possible for me to read these old pages. I hope you are doing well and would like to read more about your experiences without trying to fix anything you share, as you requested.

    * Trying to fix others by excessive intellectual analysis has been an ineffective habit of mine for the longest time. People need to be given space for their emotions to breathe, so to speak, a quiet space that’s not afforded when being the recipients of … noisy analyses.

    anita

    in reply to: whole family hates me #441470
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Adrianne:

    I’m sorry to hear (read) about the difficult situation you’re facing with your family. It sounds incredibly challenging and unfair to be caught in the middle of conflicts that aren’t your fault. I can imagine how isolating it feels to be blamed for things that are beyond your control. Your desire to be seen as an individual and not just an extension of your mother is completely valid.

    It’s unfortunate that your dad’s family harbors resentment towards you over the inheritance. It’s important to remember that you had no control over this situation. You were very young when your father died and had no control over the inheritance. Their anger is misplaced.

    Losing connections with family members because of arguments you weren’t involved in is deeply painful. It’s clear that you’re caught in a difficult position of wanting to maintain relationships without betraying your mother.

    While it’s not your responsibility to reach out, taking the first step may help clarify misunderstandings. If you feel comfortable, maybe consider reaching out to those you were close to and explaining how you feel…?

    It’s important to prioritize your own well-being. Surround yourself with supportive friends or seek professional guidance to navigate these complex family dynamics.

    Family conflicts are unfortunately common, but you deserve to be treated as the unique and valuable person you are as an individual (not an extension of any other person, mother or anyone else). I hope you find a path that brings you peace and reconnection with those who matter to you.

    anita

    in reply to: Old Journal- things that pierce the human heart #441468
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Peter:

    Thank you for sharing your journal reflections and the profound quotes from John Eldredge’s “The Sacred Romance.”

    I wrote a whole lot of hand-written journal entries since I can remember myself, threw away all, then about 14 years ago, I started typing lots and lots of journal entries and I still have those printed journals, but I can’t read them without great difficulty because to comfortably read them I’d need new reading glasses. I get by without because I can easily magnify the computer screen. I no longer read books. My only reading is at the computer.

    The passage you shared about beauty and affliction piercing the human heart is incredibly powerful and resonates with me very much:

    “Our deepest convictions are formed without conscious effort, but the effect is a shift deep in our soul”- this means that I didn’t choose to be who I became. I became who I was (before recent healing) due to automatic, human responses to what I was born into (the people and circumstances of my childhood). In other words, I was a complex set of reactions.

    “To choose to shut your heart to love – so that you won’t be hurt – is to deny the very thing you are made for”- profound! Indeed, I denied myself. I was a stranger to myself, a stranger that I didn’t like, a stranger that no one liked. Alone A Lot. A whole lot of Alone. An Eternity of Alone.

    Early in childhood, maybe I was six, maybe younger, don’t remember, I placed myself on hold so to accommodate my mother’s needs, as I perceived those to be. My needs became strangers to myself.

    “We must renounce our childhood vows. They trap our hearts… we believe the lie and make the vow. It is important to break the vow so it may not have a strong hold on our hearts.”- the first vow I made was to be a good girl, a good daughter, so that my mother will like me. This means (I realize as I am typing) that the premise of this vow was that I was a bad girl, a bad daughter, a bad person. This core belief was the foundational premise of my life for longer than half a century.

    It is only recently that I feel (really, feel) that I am sometimes, here and there, liked by other people. I didn’t even know how it feels until recently. I feel like a little girl now, the girl that was put on hold for so long, too long. The denied little girl is here, typing these words: “Here I Am!”

    anita

    anita
    Participant

    Dear Kaydan:

    Thank you for sharing your thoughts. It’s clear that you have strong feelings about the importance of validating emotions and the challenges of dealing with inconsiderate behavior.

    I agree with your critique of the oversimplified advice of just thinking positively or changing one’s mindset, especially when dealing with situations where others’ actions are genuinely upsetting. This advice can easily be seen as dismissive and invalidating. I viewed it as such when on the receiving end.

    I believe that it is indeed crucial to approach situations with empathy and try to understand the perspective of both parties. Open communication, when done respectfully, can lead to positive change, even if it’s challenging. Also, while communication is important, setting clear boundaries is equally essential. If someone continues to disrespect your boundaries, it’s necessary to take further steps to protect your well-being.

    Your emphasis on the reality of natural human emotions and the complexities of interpersonal dynamics is valuable. It’s essential to find a balance between asserting your needs and maintaining empathy for others.

    anita

    in reply to: Oh! Life you are complicated. #441439
    anita
    Participant

    Dear anonymous:

    Last you posted was on July 30, 2024- over 4 months ago. How are you?

    Here are quotes from my advice to you in these 2 pages of your thread: “Express yourself… let out your emotions, type them out on the computer screen… find new life within you and attend to it… there is indeed a huge void in this world, a void of peace, of mildness, of kindness. And we are all (the hating and the hated, the deceiving and the deceived) on the same boat of destruction…

    “Replace the shame and guilt with empathy for the scared boy within you. Once you do that, the scared boy within you will be less scared, and courage will be the new life within you… Courage will replace helplessness…

    “It is scary and depressing to feel powerless, no wonder you are anxious and depressed. I see the hope for your healing in changing your attitude from that of personal helplessness to that of personal empowerment, in you believing that you have some… power over what happens in your life… it is time for you to do more than to survive a harsh world…

    “Every day, beginning in the morning, shift from despair to hope, bit by bit, in spite of and through expected regressions…

    “Your brain is in the habit of getting engulfed by fear, anxiety, guilt and shame. It is difficult to break habits. It takes persistence and patience. It’s about extending the moments of calm over time”.

    Today, I want to respond to what you shared on page 1: “There is one side of me which tells me that I should not overthink. But I get carried away when I try to make a decision. I mentally picture all the negative outcomes and feel them as real. I reflected on this behaviour and found that in my childhood I was not allowed to make any mistakes either at home or at school. Whenever I made one it was not well taken. I was scolded and judged. Never was I taught that mistake happens, and you need to learn from it. All I was said was how can a studious student like you make such mistakes and it was a shame. In the adulthood, there were few decisions I took, that did not result nicely. I think the fear of taking decisions started from these events and has been inculcated”-

    – Shifting from self-judgment to self-compassion is a transformative process that leads to emotional well-being: (1) Recognize when you are being self-critical. Pay attention to your inner dialogue and notice when negative thoughts arise, (2) Challenge negative Thoughts: question the validity of your self-judgmental thoughts. Are they based on facts or assumptions? Would you say these things to someone you love and care about? (3) Replace negative thoughts with more compassionate ones. Speak to yourself as you would to someone you love and care about, (4) Practice mindfulness: stay present and accept your emotions without judgment. Mindfulness helps in acknowledging your feelings without letting them control and overwhelm you, (5) Treat yourself with the same kindness and understanding you would offer to other people you care about. Be gentle and forgiving towards yourself, (6) Acknowledge that everyone makes mistakes and that imperfection is part of being human. Let go of past regrets and focus on learning and growth, (7) Establish healthy boundaries to protect your mental and emotional well-being. This includes saying no when necessary and prioritizing self-care, (8) Reach out to friends, family, tiny buddha members (here), or a therapist for support. Sharing your struggles with others can help you gain perspective and feel less isolated, (9) Celebrate progress: acknowledge and celebrate your efforts and achievements, no matter how small. Recognize that growth is a gradual process.

    Self-compassion helps in reducing symptoms of anxiety and depression by fostering a positive and supportive inner dialogue. Being compassionate towards yourself helps you bounce back from setbacks more easily. It builds resilience and the ability to cope with adversity. When you are kinder to yourself, you are more likely to extend kindness to others, improving your relationships and social connections. Self-compassion promotes a growth mindset, encouraging you to take on challenges and learn from mistakes without fear of harsh self-criticism. By treating yourself with kindness and respect, you build a healthier self-esteem and a more positive self-image. Practicing self-compassion leads to emotional well-being, life satisfaction, and overall happiness.

    In short, shifting from self-judgment to self-compassion a journey worth embarking on, and every small step counts. 🌟

    anita

    in reply to: Scholarship demand. #441432
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Greg: Today is exactly 5 months since you last posted. I hope you are doing well!

    anita

    in reply to: What will my life be now? #441431
    anita
    Participant

    I hope you are well and building your own life this new year, Nichole!

    anita

    in reply to: Understanding someone who's recently divorced and not ready #441426
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Dafne,

    Happy New Year to you too! 🌟 It’s wonderful to read from you again. Your words of appreciation mean a lot to me. I’m grateful that you find the insights and support from Tee and me helpful.

    I also hope that Tee is doing well and is in good health. She has indeed been a remarkable support for many.

    Thank you for sharing your thoughts and experiences so openly. I can feel the depth of your reflections and the emotional journey you’re on. It’s not easy to recognize and confront the unhealthy dynamics in our relationships, but your awareness is a significant step toward healing and growth.

    Regarding Your Mother, you shared: “living together affects me in a very negative way. There are periods of smiles and good moments, but I can feel that it won’t last as she will get moody again, searching for a fight, and the blaming, and complaining will start again. I need to escape somehow”-

    – her mood swings create a sense of unpredictability and instability in your living environment. This emotional rollercoaster is exhausting and stressful. She tends to seek out conflicts: this behavior creates a hostile and tense atmosphere for you. There are brief periods of smiles and good moments, providing temporary relief and a false sense of hope. However, these moments are overshadowed by the recurring negative behaviors.

    You are aware that the good moments are short-lived and that your mother’s negative behavior will inevitably return. This cyclical pattern of hope and disappointment contributes to a sense of helplessness.

    Her habit of blaming and complaining is emotionally draining as it places a constant burden on you. Constant criticism and blame erode self-esteem and self-worth, leading to feelings of inadequacy and guilt.

    The accumulation of negative experiences and emotional strain makes a person feel overwhelmed and desperate to escape the situation. Escaping from this situation is not just about physical distance but also about finding a healthy emotional space. In other words, a mother such as yours (and mine) is detrimental to her daughter’s health, and the desire to escape her is a natural response to the overwhelming stress and emotional drain caused by such a mother.

    Your recognition that her treatment of you is not right and that you deserve better is essential. It’s understandable to feel stuck, especially when past therapy experiences were not helpful, and living in a remote area limits your options.

    * I used to liken my mother (who displayed similar behaviors as your mother) to an emotional vampire, where she temporarily feels better by making me feel bad, draining my emotional energy on a regular basis. In practice, by making me feel bad, she experienced a temporary sense of relief from her own negative emotions. This release, however, was always short-lived and didn’t address the root cause of her distress.

    When criticizing and blaming me (which she did A LOT), she anticipated my reactions, such as feeling upset, guilty, or apologetic. These reactions were familiar and expected because they occurred many times before. By knowing how I will react, she felt that she had the power to influence and control my emotions. She knew what to expect and was able to rely on the same outcome each time, which gave her a sense of stability and control. This sense of power was comforting to her because she felt powerless in her life otherwise. By eliciting predictable reactions from her daughter, she experienced- temporarily- a sense of order and control that she did not experience elsewhere.

    And because such relief was temporary, she had to repeat, shame and guilt-trip me again and again, so to experience more and more moments of relief and power.

    I remember her shaming me (with piercing, shame-loaded words) and then quietly looking at my face intently with a tiny smile and visible excitement, excitedly waiting for few seconds or so, to see the shame registering on my face.

    Making me feel bad established a power dynamic where she felt dominant, powerful and in control of me. By creating a dynamic where I felt responsible for her (lack of) happiness, she ensured that I remained emotionally dependent on her. This dependency reinforced her sense of control and reduced her fear that I will abandon her.

    As a result, I felt emotionally drained and exhausted, every day, from constantly absorbing her negativity. I experienced a low, low self-esteem, inadequacy and guilt. I felt very much stuck living with her and day-dreamed about living away and free from her. When I finally moved out, I felt intense euphoria, a great feeling of freedom. Unfortunately, because I kept talking with her on the phone and visiting her in-person, my experience of emotional freedom was short-lived, until recently. It took a while of no-contact for me to start feeling free. (No-contact was extremely difficult for me because of the guilt).

    Regarding romantic relationships: It’s vital to find a partner who genuinely respects and supports you, not just as an escape route. Desperation and fear can cloud judgment, leading to choices that are not in your best interest.

    Your concerns about the man you met online are valid. The red flags you mentioned, such as the suspicious project in Asia, unrealistic stories about his parents, and his inconsiderate suggestions, all point to a lack of trustworthiness.

    “He showed me an official letter… Do you think it could be true?… Maybe he was afraid that I could verify it? Also, when he talks about this project it sounds like a recording. He repeats himself all over again. Is that a sign of any illness like autism or it could indicate that he is making things up?… Is there any way that I could verify his identity? The story about his parents seems unrealistic to me… How could I find out the truth without offending him? Does that seem suspicious to you too Anita?… What can I say or do to clear things up?… He thinks that I should move to his place and go to work from there (which is almost 1.5h or more and one way). I felt that suggestion was very inconsiderate of him. What do you think Anita? And what would you agree to any of this?”-

    – The fact that there has been no progress on his project in four years and his request for more patience are concerning. It’s reasonable to expect some tangible results over such a long period. The official letter he showed you, which he refuses to share, raises doubts. While it’s possible he’s being truthful, this lack of transparency is a red flag. It’s understandable to feel skeptical. His repeated statements about the project could be a sign of scripted responses or evasion. While it might not necessarily indicate a specific illness like autism, it does warrant caution and further questioning.

    The story about his parents and their cremation seems unrealistic, considering cultural and religious norms. This discrepancy could indicate that he is not being entirely truthful about his background.

    His suggestion that you move to his place and commute for over 1.5 hours each way is indeed inconsiderate. It shows a lack of understanding and respect for your time and needs.

    To verify his identity and the authenticity of his claims, you could * Do some online research: look for any information or references to his project or the cultural center, * Ask (again) for proof: express your need for transparency and trust in the relationship and politely request more concrete evidence or details about his work. A legitimate project should have verifiable information. * Consider consulting a professional (like a private detective) for advice.

    Based on the information you’ve shared, it’s essential to proceed with caution. Trust your instincts and prioritize your well-being. Your time and emotional energy are valuable. It’s crucial to prioritize your well-being and avoid situations that cause unnecessary stress or uncertainty.

    Dafne, your journey is one of courage and resilience. You’ve come a long way in recognizing the patterns and dynamics that affect your well-being. Continue to prioritize yourself, set healthy boundaries, and seek supportive relationships that uplift you.

    Thank you for being so open and for your kind words. Your support means a lot to me. I’m here for you, and I hope to hear from you soon.

    Have a beautiful day and stay strong, and yes, I will stay with you!

    anita

    in reply to: My Obese wife and my troubles with it #441422
    anita
    Participant

    Dear TE:

    Thank you for sharing your thoughts and feelings so openly. It’s clear that you deeply care about your wife and your marriage. Navigating changes in physical health and attraction over time can be challenging.

    It’s important to approach this situation with empathy and understanding. Your wife’s weight gain might be influenced by various factors, including medical, emotional, and psychological aspects. Here are a few suggestions that might help:

    * If you haven’t so far, have an open, compassionate conversation with your wife about your concerns. Focus on health and well-being rather than appearance. Express your love and support for her in every aspect.

    * Encourage her to visit a healthcare professional for a thorough check-up. There could be underlying health issues that contribute to weight gain and difficulty with exercise.

    * Find activities you both enjoy that promote physical activity but feel less like exercise. This could include dancing, gardening, or even exploring new hobbies together.

    * Support her emotionally and help her identify any stressors or emotional challenges that might be affecting her motivation and health. Consider counseling or therapy if needed.

    * Understand that changes won’t happen overnight. Show patience and continue to express your love and support. Small, consistent efforts can lead to positive changes over time.

    Your dedication to your marriage and love for your wife are evident. Balancing support with empathy and understanding can help you both navigate this together.

    Wishing you both the best-

    anita

    in reply to: Extremely painful breakup and confusion #441409
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Stacy:

    Take all the time you need. I’m sorry to hear that you’re having a tough day with those epiphanies weighing on you. Remember to be kind to yourself. If you ever need to talk or just vent, I’m here for you.

    Hope your day gets better!

    anita

    in reply to: Family rescuer #441407
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Calm Moon:

    I wanted to add/ elaborate, and I understand that this may be difficult to read and respond to, so please feel free to read any part of it, or not, respond or not. My intention is to help you move toward greater clarity and calm (calm moon). Also, taking the time to reply to you helps me to develop my thoughts, deepen my understanding, and move further in my own healing process.

    “My mother was saying to me that she does not know what she would do in this life if I was not there for her”- By saying this, she reinforces the caretaker role, making you feel indispensable and obligated to continue providing support. This emotional pressure keeps you engaged in the caretaker role, making you feel guilty about (the idea of) quitting the role.

    “She makes her choices and then complains about it to me… Even when she is not complaining directly, she behaves like pissed off”- Your mother’s irritated behavior when not complaining directly conveys dissatisfaction and disappointment. This non-verbal communication makes you feel responsible for her unhappiness. It is a form of guilt-tripping, whether intentional or not.

    Her reliance on you and her passive-aggressive behavior (complaints and acting pissed off) limit your autonomy, making you feel responsible for her happiness and well-being. Her emotional dependency on you is controlling, as her behavior and expectations dictate your actions and choices.

    “I have never complained… my mother always complains to me”- This means that you always kept your own frustrations and difficulties to yourself, likely because you didn’t want to add more stress to your mother, or because you felt it was your duty to be strong for her. On the other hand, your mother has frequently shared her problems and frustrations with you Instead of trying to solve her own issues.

    The contrast here highlights your selflessness and willingness to endure your own struggles silently while your mother consistently burdened you with her struggles, which appears to be selfish. This relationship shows a pattern where your mother’s actions lean towards selfishness, and your actions demonstrate selflessness. This imbalance is emotionally taxing for you and highlights the need for setting healthy boundaries and seeking support for yourself.

    “It makes me angry towards my siblings after my mom’s comments… I am so fragile and empathetic towards her”- if she complains to you about her life and about her older adult children (your older siblings), but she does not complain to them, then, as I understand it, she perceives that you- the empathetic one, the one who never complains- are less likely to resist or confront her compared to the older children. Complaining to you feels safer and allows her to express her frustrations without facing direct conflict.

    It’s also possible that she complains about you to her older children.

    Let’s look at the differences between complaining about others behind their backs and engaging in direct communication or confrontation: complaining behind someone’s back can provide immediate emotional relief and elicit sympathy, which is comforting and reassuring. By avoiding direct confrontation, she sidesteps the anxiety and potential discomfort of a face-to-face conflict. The problem remains unresolved, and if the person being complained about finds out, it erodes trust and damage relationships.

    Direct communication or confrontation allows for the issues to be addressed head-on, increasing the chances of finding a resolution. It promotes clarity and mutual understanding, as both parties can express their perspectives and work towards a solution, fostering a sense of trust and respect. It shows that the person values the relationship enough to address issues openly. Engaging in direct communication or confrontation helps develop confidence and assertiveness skills. It empowers the person to stand up for themselves and their needs.

    “I am so fragile and empathetic towards her…I love her with my whole heart”- about love: the way I understand love is that if it is something that helps you on an ongoing basis (not always, as no one can love perfectly at all times), it is love. If it is something that harms you on an ongoing basis, then it is not love. Person A may occasionally feel affection for person B, have good intentions- at times- toward person B, but if the consequences of the supposed “love” is harm, then it’s not love.

    There is a saying: “The proof is in the pudding”, which is a shortened form of the original saying, “The proof of the pudding is in the eating”. It means that the true value or quality of something can only be judged in a practical context: does it help? Does it harm?

    The true measure of a mother’s love can be seen in the outcomes of her actions. Genuine love should result in positive outcomes, including emotional support, mutual respect, and the well-being of both individuals involved. True love should not require one person to sacrifice their own happiness and health. For a mother’s love to be beneficial, it needs to be expressed in ways that support her daughter’s well-being, respect her boundaries, and encourage her independence.

    From what I understand, your mother’s brand of love for you is self-focused. It primarily focuses on her needs and emotional comfort, often at the expense of yours. It lacks the balanced reciprocity that characterizes healthy love.

    Her actions suggest that her care for you is conditional on the support she receives.

    Your love for her, on the other hand, is characterized by empathy and a strong desire to support and comfort her, often sacrificing your own well-being in the process. Your love for her is unconditional, as you consistently provide emotional and practical support without expecting anything in return.

    Your love provides her with immediate emotional relief and comfort, offering short-term benefits. However, long-term, this selfless love reinforces her dependency on you. In the long run, it doesn’t encourage her to take proactive steps to improve her own life.

    Here are some suggestions: clearly define what you can and cannot do for her and encourage her to take more active steps in managing her own life. If you have already made significant efforts to empower her (as I think you did, many times), but there’s no improvement in her dependence and passive-aggressive behaviors, it’s important to recognize the true nature of the reality that I think you may be facing: that despite your very best efforts, some individuals, like your mother, struggle to change due to deeply ingrained habits, trauma, or mental health issues.

    Encourage your mother to seek therapy or counseling from a qualified professional who may be able to help her. A daughter cannot be her mother’s therapist (even if the daughter is a professional therapist).

    I suggest that you maintain clear and consistent boundaries with your mother and with other family members. It’s important for you to protect your emotional energy and avoid being overwhelmed by her dependence. Communicate your boundaries firmly but compassionately. Celebrate any small step you make toward your own mental health, autonomy and self-actualization. Expect gradual changes rather than expecting immediate transformation: small, consistent efforts toward your own well-being will lead, over time and effort, to sustainable progress.

    anita

    in reply to: Family rescuer #441386
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Calm Moon:

    You are very welcome and thank you for expressing your appreciation!

    “I feel so drained after family holidays, for example. Because I do so many things to make everyone comfortable that I never sit to breathe. I remember that during university holidays, I came back to studies all exhausted and looking desperate instead of feeling energized after a break. My best friend noticed that and asked whether everything was ok at home. Because I looked really tired and miserable”-

    – Isn’t it interesting that your best friend noticed and cared to tell you that you looked tired and miserable, but your family members didn’t notice? It’s a significant and telling contrast.

    Seems to me that your family members are so used to you taking on responsibilities and handling things, doing so many things to make everyone comfortable during holidays, never sitting to breathe, that they’ve normalized your stress and exhaustion, seeing it as part of the usual-you.

    Also, they may be so preoccupied with their own needs and problems, that they have little to no room to notice or address your struggles. Their focus on themselves makes them less aware of you.

    They may see you as the strong caretaker (the leader) who can handle anything, leading them to overlook your need for support and rest. Some family members might be emotionally blind, lacking the emotional awareness or sensitivity to recognize signs of distress in others.

    “I guess. I am half introverted and half extroverted. I always thought that because of my introverted side I always wanted to stay alone and not speak. But now I think that’s because unconsciously I felt that it drains my energy”- it’s the energy drain from constant caregiving that makes you seek isolation

    I asked you earlier: “By saying that they are supportive, you mean that they thank you for helping them, praising you, saying that they wish good things for you, anything like that?”, and you answered: “Yes, you described how it really is. Also, now I remember how they made comments after celebrating my birthday. After a few days passed, they said that because of my birthday they spent some money, and they were irritated because of that. It hurt me deeply”-

    – When you said earlier that your family is supportive, you meant that they thank you for helping and offer praise. These expressions of gratitude are nice, but they do not address your deeper emotional and practical needs. Their verbal praise does not translate into meaningful actions that actually help reduce the load you’ve been carrying.

    Genuine emotional support goes beyond praise and would include actively listening to your concerns, offering advice, and being there for you during tough times. Genuine support involves recognizing your needs and actively working to meet them.

    Your family’s expressions of thanks and praise are superficial because they don’t result in actual changes that make your life easier. While these words might provide temporary emotional relief, they don’t address the root issues or reduce your responsibilities. Genuine support would involve concrete actions that lighten your load, such as helping with tasks (even if you initially reject their offers to help), providing emotional comfort, and respecting your boundaries (even if you don’t respect those yourself).

    Despite the verbal praise, you still carry the same burdens without any real assistance or relief.

    After celebrating your birthday, your family made comments about the money they spent, expressing irritation. This reaction suggests a lack of genuine appreciation and support. The irritation expressed by your family hurt you deeply. Your reaction shows that their comments had a significant emotional impact, making you feel unappreciated and burdened.

    “What’s strange is they would never do that to their spouses, children, etc.”- this discrepancy in treatment highlights a lack of fairness and recognition of your efforts. The reason is in the principle of Scarcity in social psychology:

    The principle of scarcity suggests that people tend to value and notice things that are rare or limited more than those that are abundant or always available. When applied to social interactions and help, this means that when someone frequently offers help, it becomes taken for granted, while occasional help from others stands out and is more appreciated.

    Because you have been consistently helpful over many years, your family has become accustomed to your assistance. Your help has become a background constant (like background noise), an expected part of the family dynamic. Over time, the constant availability of your help led to it being taken for granted (from one point on, a person does not notice background noise), they see it as a given.

    When your family members, who typically do not contribute as much, offer help or make an effort, it stands out more (like a new sound that wasn’t there before, it is noticeable). The help from others is seen as more valuable because it is less frequent, whereas your constant support is less valued because it is always there. The constant burden without adequate recognition or support contributes to your emotional exhaustion and frustration.

    “Sometimes I just want to live in a very remote place and enjoy only my company”- this indicates a strong need to escape from the overwhelming responsibilities and emotional burdens you have been carrying.

    “Also, I do not believe that there are men out there who can be stronger than me. I sense how most of them could not provide the emotional support I need, and I will just burden myself with another person”-

    – This reflects a deep-seated belief in your own self-reliance and strength which developed from your role as a caretaker. Over time, you adapted to being the emotional and practical backbone of your family. This adaptation required you to develop a strong sense of self-sufficiency, as you couldn’t depend on others for support. As a result, you find it challenging to trust others to provide the emotional support you need.

    You fear that entering into a relationship would mean burdening yourself with another person’s needs. This perception is rooted in your experiences of always being the caretaker, leading you to believe that you would end up taking on additional responsibilities in a relationship.

    Your identity as a caretaker and leader has contributed to your belief that you are stronger than others, and that others are not strong enough to support you.

    “I don’t know how to break those beliefs.”-seeing reality more as it-is than how we prefer to see it is a starting point to meaningful, significant change. I will share a bit about my own experience with my mother as an example:

    My mother expressed SO MUCH misery (telling me about her miserable life at length, crying, expressing suicidal ideation, etc.) that I figured- in my young child mind- that I am (or must be) her Rescuer (sounds familiar?). I set myself aside and my focus was: my mother. All I cared about was that she’d be okay. I was deathly afraid that she’d kill herself.

    So far, the above, was indeed reality as-is (as it was): she really was miserable.

    Here is where I didn’t see reality as-is: I mistakenly thought (part of me thought) that she loved me, as in valuing me as something or someone of value. So, in my mind, I thought that it is possible for me to help her, or for her to be helped by me. Therefore, I kept trying and trying, way into adulthood.

    It helped me to finally see reality as-is: as much as I wished she valued me, she didn’t, and therefore, even if it was possible for her to be helped by someone, it couldn’t have been me, because to be helped, a person has to value the helper. When I realized this, I stopped trying to help her, I stopped my Focus on her. At that point, I was able to turn my focus to myself (that was a long process because my emotions were repressed and suppressed and I felt guilty, etc.).

    And until recently, I didn’t even know what it meant to value myself. Valuing myself is no longer attached to my role as My Mother’s Rescuer (a role I failed at, a role that was impossible for me to be successful at). Valuing myself is.. difficult for me to explain. Maybe next time.

    anita

    anita
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    Thank you Robi and HAPPY NEW YEAR to you 🙂 I wish we both have a great start (middle and end) of 2025, one day at a time, learning something new every day (or having a deeper understanding of something we already learned). Take good care of yourself. Always good to read from you!

    anita

    in reply to: A path you desire? #441349
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    Dear Kane:

    You are welcome and thank you so much for your kind words. It truly means a lot to hear that our support has made a positive impact on you. Your journey, resilience, and willingness to share your experiences have been incredibly inspiring.

    I’m grateful to have the opportunity to listen to your thoughts and support you as you navigate your path. Your dedication to personal growth and helping others is truly admirable, and I’m confident that you will continue to make a meaningful difference in your life and in the lives of those around you.

    Wishing you all the best as you continue to grow and advance in your personal and emotional journey. Thank you for allowing us to be part of it.

    anita

    in reply to: Alienation or abandonment looking for insight #441305
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    Participant

    * Dear T:

    Thank you for sharing something so personal. I’m truly sorry to hear about the abuse you’re experiencing.

    It’s important for people to stand against psychological harassment and support one another. Please know that there are resources and people who care about your well-being. Stay strong, and don’t hesitate to seek help from trusted individuals or organizations.

    You are welcome to start your own thread (go to FORUMS at the top of the home page) and share your story. I would like to read and reply to you empathetcally and respectfully.

    anita

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