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TommyParticipant
Well, being dishonest and self centered did get you into this situation. Lying and manipulation ended hurting someone and you only think about how you feel and how you hurt. Only men have a way of compartmentalizing parts of their lives to suit the way they feel at the moment.
For example, a man cheats on his wife with another woman. Then goes to his wife to confess. Does the confession make his wife feel better? No, it only makes him feel better. Then the excuses comes. “She didn’t mean anything”. Well, if she didn’t mean anything then why did you throw away the marriage for her? Where are the values placed?
So, instead of working with your wife and priest to work on your marriage, you strike out on a dating app and meet another woman. Lie about your marriage. Fool her. And then, you don’t know why this relationship went this way? Seriously, you knew what you were doing. Knew it was wrong. But did it anyway.
As a man, living inside a marriage. I know how tough it can be to live as last in line. Putting my wife and child first. Being happy or not isn’t the reason to stay or go. It is about being the man. Living up to my responsibilities, duties. If you are not happy in your marriage then change. If you change then your marriage will change. If you need to do the divorce then do it.
I am sorry that I have no sympathy for you. You are suffering due to your own actions and your own choices. Looks like I have lost my compassion. I can not give you a kind word. Seems I will have to spend more time working on myself. To find a way to open my heart to people who cheat and lie.
TommyParticipantWhat is Buddhism? One can learn more about Buddhism in library books. And then one can learn about the heart of Buddhism from a good teacher. And live a life of Buddhism with regular meetings of a sangha. But, to start, reading a few books will help.
What have I learned? Buddhism is something you can take in small doses or large ones. It is up to you. Buddhism presents its teachings and it becomes your wish whether to follow or dismiss it. There is no push. Most start off with the four noble truths. Life is suffering. The truth of the cause of suffering. The truth to the end of suffering. The path that leads to the end of suffering. It may explain it but it is up to you to see if there is truth in those words. And when you do learn the truth, you will believe and seek enlightenment. The most common path is thru meditation. Meditation does not guarantee enlightenment. But, there is a guarantee that there is no enlightenment without it. Mindfulness is an extension of meditation in the active waking world. Some will meditate for stress relief or some other form of benefit. Concentration, relaxation, insight etc. Later, one learns of the three jewels. Buddha, the Dharma, the Sangha. Then the three truths of Buddhism. Dukkha, Anicca, and Anatta. I wish you well on your journey.
June 16, 2024 at 8:15 am in reply to: Past Hurts & Present Concerns: Advice Needed for a Stronger Bond #433875TommyParticipantJust voicing my opinion, …
I think it selfish to say that the person one is with is not the way you want her to be. Of course there is nothing wrong in wanting thing the way you want them to be. Just that it is selfish. Whenever I got involved with a girl, there was physical attraction. But, there was a little more to it. And even if the person isn’t exactly physically the way you want them to be, The love and enjoyment of being together should be enough. If it isn’t then you should not be with that person. You will only being wanting something else. That won’t be good for you or her.
Next is that physical attraction is not the only thing you want. Being a man you want a woman who will be there for you. Help you in your efforts. Be a partner to your life. Loyalty. Trust worthy. Compassionate. Loving. Supportive. That doesn’t always comes in a seductive package. And these qualities are much more important to me.
TommyParticipantI had a friend who was always out cheating on his girlfriend. They lived together and would have many arguments. It was only after they had kids that he settled down a bit. They started to get along better. I am not saying that having kids will make one’s married life better. However, one does tend to do more towards having a stable home for the children.
Male perspective? I use that as an excuse for saying things which make no sense at all to women. Sometimes it makes no sense to me too. It certainly makes no sense to my wife. Not to complain too much about her, she asks me why am I so crazy. I have learned to take time and take breaths before answering. Sometimes I think I enjoy meditating so much because it is a time when no one is commanding me to do things. It is peaceful and I am not trying to do anything special.
I love the title. “Working On Stuff”. I know that everything I go thru is to let me learn something. To grow. Sometimes, I think that I am an awful person. Have many regrets. And other times, I believe that I am not so bad as others. But, we can not compare ourselves to others. They have their way or path. And I have mine. Buddha might have mentioned somethings about birth, death and rebirth. Rebirth, I would be given another chance to do things right or screw things up again. Who doesn’t want a second chance? So, not so much in a hurry to become Buddha like.
I think about the cycle of life. My grandfather had my father and my father had me. I have my daughter. Grandfather passed, my father passed and soon my time will come. What ever mattered to me will be lost when this body passes away. All the memories, love, joy, values, and everything. May happen sooner due to dementia. The next generation builds their own life and the cycle continues.
Sorry for my rant. Too long please don’t read. Have a good life or at least try to be happy. In the end it is all we have and all we can leave behind for those we love.
TommyParticipantSeems she just wanted to be able to let out her feelings and maybe get a little sympathy? Advice?
What brought you two together in the first place? I would say to spend at least 20 to 30 minutes sitting on his lap with arms around each other and talk. No running away, talk. Let him know how you feel. Personally, I understand how it feels to be the responsible one. The one who does all the work in keeping the house clean and everyone fed. Know how it feels when just do their own thing and take advantage of you with out a kind word. Keeping these feelings in .. will build into resentment and a desire to leave. Pretty sure his has his issues too. Unless both people want this to work out right, talking will not accomplish what you need. Wish you good luck.
TommyParticipantThey do not sell Blue Stuff in stores. Only on line. If you search on line the look for Bluespring Blue Stuff emu therapy. Best wishes.
TommyParticipantDear Helcat,
That is the name “BLUE STUFF”. unfortunately it uses EMU oil from the animal. I do not know how much of a Buddhist you are? If you eat meat or not? Actually Blue Stuff set off the other products that use Emu oil for pain relief. It is a topical cream. Their original formula was the best. Anyway, now a days I use Aleve or Tylenol for the pain. Doesn’t seem to do to much. But the pain level is much lower now. Trying to stay active helps. Hope you are feeling better.
TommyParticipantDear Renn,
From the male perspective, money is a thing which needs to be kept in mind. For it is the responsibility of the man to provide and care for the family. Can’t do that without the help of money. So, it becomes a little more important to him than it is to you. So, different values, especially if he comes from a family with some money. The one thing no one teaches us about money. When taking out a loan or using credit cards, the money should be used to buy assets. Things that pay for itself and the loan. Don’t worry if it is returning spendable income. It’s value will grow. Just make sure it pays for itself.
As for the jealousy, women are so much prettier. And men value women on a different scale. It becomes easy to see women cheat. Statistically, women initiate divorce about 80% of the time. And most women say that they were done with the marriage months before it actually ended. Men have no notion of this until the divorce papers are handed to them. Marriage? Yeah, a little ahead of myself.
Jealousy is the fear the man is not good enough for the woman that the woman will leave them. It doesn’t make it right. Just the way some men are. They do not feel worthy enough. So there is fear the woman will leave him. It is ingrained in the way family was raised. I personally do not have this cause I grew up in a family that had no secrets nor any cheating. Can this be changed? The more beautiful you are .. the harder it is to convince him there is no chance of it. Cause other men will hit on you. And, then the possibility of you cheating,…. Stupid? Yes, men are stupid. Emotionally stunted.
It isn’t so much about love as it is about communication. If it is easy to talk and get through to each other then the better the relationship will be. If you can’t talk then feelings of love won’t make the relationship good. It only hides the turmoil that is about to come. To answer the question if you are compatible with your boyfriend, you will find many men are similar to your boyfriend. The chances that he will change is slim to none. Jealousy doesn’t just disappear. And you do not know how to handle that. You do not seem to know how to teach him that jealousy is hurting you cause you feel he does not trust you. And a relationship without trust can not survive. I wish you well and good luck in the future. No matter what you decide to do, I hope it works out for the best.
Tommy
TommyParticipantHello Anita,
I have to take a deep breath and say “I do not have anger” Nor did I have anger when I replied to the OP. The reasoning is to reach deep inside of her mind and pull the person out of self pity and depression. A slap in the face of the hysterical person. There was no anger nor hatred. It was done out of love for the person in grief/hysteria. However, people do not see beyond what they can understand. And reference whatever it is they know.
My words were not out of anger. It was more of a plea to stop the self destructive behavior and move on. How the person takes it is another matter. This, I have no way of seeing the truth. So, I must take time away from people’s troubles and emotional swings to find what it is in myself that is truth.
The story of the farmer is an interesting one. One day a farmer walked into the horse stall only to see his horse run away. He could not catch it. And the neighbors all said what a pity that your horse ran away. The next day the horse came back with another horse. Apparently the horse was looking for its companion. The neighbors said, how lucky you are to have two horses. When the son tried to train the horse, his son fell off and broke his leg. The neighbors said, how terrible the new horse caused your son to break his leg. The next day, the government came by to conscript all the men in the village. When they saw the farmer’s son, they left him cause he had a broken leg. The neighbors said, how lucky your son has a broken leg.
So, what is the truth? Does the truth change from one moment to the next depending upon the present conditions? Nothing arises without cause and condition. Truth should be true no matter the conditions? I do not know and that is what I need to work on and myself. So, thank you for your help and well wishes. I will check my anger the next time I speak.
TommyParticipantHello Helcat,
Am I lacking compassion? No. Am I beating myself up? No. But, I have seen myself reacting to her post instead of acting upon her post. My intent was to make her look at herself and her situation. To have her pull herself out of this self-pity. But, I do not have the ability to gauge her readiness for this. And so, I need to work on myself. To learn to cut thru to the truth of situations. You and Anita are better suited to help people who come here for a therapeutic word. Wishing you, two, the best.
Tommy
TommyParticipantHello Anita,
Thanks for the words of wisdom. I do not wish to post here anymore. It seems I have lost the ability to have compassion but …. When a person is hysterical, what should a person do? Hold them by the hand and say everything will be alright? Or does one slap the person to bring them back to the present moment? It is hard to judge such things. Which action is actually best? I am sorry for my words. And regret posting it. And it has reminded me that I still need to work on myself. And so I will stop posting. At least for a long while. In the mean time, I know you will be your great self and help people the best you can. And for that I am so grateful.
Tommy
TommyParticipantHello Helcat,
Making thread after thread about the same thing? To just complain about this person who she believes has done her wrong but provides no proof, no explanation? She really needs to give that up or it will destroy her life. I do not see this as cruel or inappropriate as letting her continue like this so that she wades in her sorry until she drowns. She makes more thread and go over the same thing about how cruel this guy is to her. To have promised marriage and all that. But, where is his side of the story. Cause she had mention how loving he was. When they had fights he was always the first to apologize and say that he never wanted to lose her (that was her own words). So, how does a man go from not wanting to lose the love to leave her and find another woman? She sees herself as the victim. There comes a time where she has to become stronger and grow from this. To move forward. Just like the other thread where the guy came here looking for excuses so he came find a reason to forgive the girl who cheated on him. If you feed them what they want to hear then they will go down with the ship.
Kinder way to do this? Do you peel the bandage off slowly to feel every little movement as pain? Which is really more kind? Yeah, this is the last time I post here. I can not help those who chose to live in sorrow and depression.
TommyParticipantLove is wonderful fresh and new. At 47 years old, love shouldn’t be so fresh and so new. One should have perspective due to the time passed and experience done. What is wrong with moving fast if it feels right? Do both parties feel the same? Space, take a break? Is that because of the speed you were moving or is it because it felt too needy and clingy? Or did you feel the walls of your safe house begin to shake?
I am not one who says they are on your side or try to make you feel better. You will get enough of that from any acquaintances you have who hear your story. My life is full of regret but those were my decision that I made. So, I live with it and move on. And I give up on rehashing everything and give up on regrets. I will tell you what I think from reading what you wrote. You might like being alone and feeling safe with no one to disturb your life. Or do you want someone to be there to talk to and give you other opinions? Decision is y0urs. Wishing you all the best!
TommyParticipantAnother thread on the same thing. Did you not say in another thread that he said he loved you? And anytime there was an argument that he would apologize to you first? That he did not want to lose you? That you feel like you were used? OMG, time out. You must stop going over and over this like there is nothing else in this world.
Yeah, I am sorry for your hurt feelings and feel like being used. But, it happened. NOW IS THE TIME TO MOVE ONE. If you can not stand living next to him then move. Stop all this pain. Stop trying to be the martyr. If you keep whining about him and the way yo feel then you will never get better. Suffering is all you want??? Feel deep shame and embarrassment? Love him very much? This so called love story is over. Put the love story book down and continue on with your real life.
April 8, 2024 at 2:18 am in reply to: Stuck between stay or go… advice and personal experiences needed, #430751TommyParticipantA long distance relationship has an implied commitment of marriage. Otherwise what is the point of being in this relationship? Not picking you is showing he is not ready to commit. Not ready for marriage. He doesn’t see you in the same light as you see him.
So the question is do you stay for the short term and try to have a nice time? Or, do you stop this and go your own way? That is your own choice. Can’t rely on others to tell you what to do. It only brings regret for not having done the other choice. You make your decision and live your life.
He says he doesn’t want to hurt you. That is an excuse to not make a commitment to you. You have already had enough time together to know you want him. My thoughts are to let him go. Spending more time with him won’t change his mind. And, it will only hurt you more later on. I wish you happiness.
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