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March 31, 2024 at 10:03 pm in reply to: Should a “Cheating” Girlfriend be forgiven over a technicality? #430405ParadoxMusicParticipant
Dear Anita,
I appreciate all the advice you gave me. I am sorry if I sound like a spoiled brat, that was not my intention. You did open my eyes to certain things, and helped me organize my thoughts to be more confident in my decision. I wish you the best in life too. Thank you.
Paradoxy
March 31, 2024 at 1:08 pm in reply to: Should a “Cheating” Girlfriend be forgiven over a technicality? #430392ParadoxMusicParticipantDear Anita,
You are suggesting that the truth/logic can be manipulated and that is very true, but not all truths/logic can be manipulated and deceive us. No one can manipulate certain things such as the fact that 2+2 =4 or the procedure to handle or fix a piece of machinery etc. I am speaking from watching my father do it. I know that my father is a stubborn man who doesn’t factor in emotions to his decisions, but so far his decisions have been proven to be beneficial for everyone, even if it utilizes manipulated logic. That is why he is held in high regard by everyone he has interacted with, even his own boss. He was the one who figured out that my aunt was cheating on my uncle, with the small amount of interaction he had with her. He has been the one correcting a lot of people’s stupid decisions before they cause more problems. Everything you have said is true in general terms, but I have to speak on the specific terms as it relates to my father. He just cannot understand emotions, which is why he considers it in low regard and prefers to stick to just pure logic which is why he is stubborn and refuses to acknowledge he is wrong in his decisions regarding situations that involve emotions.
Paradoxy
March 31, 2024 at 12:49 pm in reply to: Should a “Cheating” Girlfriend be forgiven over a technicality? #430390ParadoxMusicParticipantDear Tee,
I have already agreed with what you have said Tee, every child deserves to be loved and cared for and me lacking those feelings made me seek the same comfort in other people.
B told me that my parents and I ruined her life, that she entertained the other men and slept with the guy cause she liked the feeling of not being discriminated against. I had already told her that whether I date/marry her or not is not dependent on what my parents believe, but I did tell her my parents’ general opinion on women, to which she was offended, which was why she broke up in January, leading to everything else. Everyday it is feeling more and more like I am the real problem. Maybe it is me after all. She had told me not to tell my only other close friend that we broke up, but in a weak emotional moment, I told him that we were fighting. She found out and she told me that I lied to her and made her look like a fool. She also said that if I am able to hide her from my parents for two years, then I can also hide a “bitch” from her too (implying that I would cheat).
She said that out of all the fights that we had, the only major one was the one where she cheated, and the one now. That all our other fights were minor and we only broke up now cause of me not being able to forgive.
The times when I was the problem were 3 times, the first one where one of my crushes from high school (who is a family friend so we still talk) asked me about how college life was and whether I cook and stuff and I told her that I cook simple meals like pasta and noodles and she told me that I should cook for her one day. I obviously declined that offer. B saw those messages and couple days later asked me about what I would do if a female asked me to cook for her. And my stupid self completely forgot about the conversation with the girl as I had decided to keep her out of my life by deleting everything related to her (including that conversation). B took offense to that and assumed I was lying and the guilt over the misunderstanding made me suggest a break up, which further infuriated her. Though we did not actually break up then, the tension indicated that we were extremely close to breaking up.
The second time was when she asked me what my type was and I described the type of woman my parents wanted me to marry instead of the type of woman that I wanted, and she was offended because the type of woman that my parents wanted was nothing like her (she still holds on to what I said then despite clearing the misunderstanding). She cried for the night and the guilt from hearing her cry made me want to leave her to remove myself out of her life so that she is not burdened by nor feel pain cause of me, which further infuriated her. We did not break up here either but the tension was still high because I had still made the decision to break up.
The third time was last night regarding my friend, who I told that B and I are fighting, despite her telling me not to tell anyone. And she said I made her look like a fool and that a liar like me can easily cheat on her, despite the fact that she was the one who actually cheated.
The fact that she said that I ruined her life, that I would cheat (despite how loyal I was to her), the fact that she liked how she felt with other men unlike me, all hurt me. Each day she would come back saying that those things were only said out of her anger, which I understood cause in my anger I had called her names, but these names included terms like selfish, narrow minded, brick wall (cause she is stubborn and refuses to listen when I explain) but then recently when she crossed the line too far, in my anger I said that she was a whore (because she was paid to have sex with the man in January), and I also used terms such as bitch as well. This is the first time I went that far in my name calling but I said it out of anger too and I regret calling her those things.
I also had given an example in one of our arguments that if she had crumbled paper in one hand and a clean plain paper on the other, which one would she use to write on, but she assumed that I was implying that she is flawed cause of the men she has slept with (despite telling her that I had forgiven her for her past, but I cannot forgive the one where she slept with another man while supposedly being in love with me. The correct meaning of the example I was trying to point out was to show that I would rather choose someone with less trauma (because she would also cause less trauma), who causes less problems, less arguments, less wrinkles as I write our story instead of someone who has a lot of trauma (which would make her cause more trauma), who causes more problems, more arguments, more wrinkles. But she was offended and hated me for using that example.
Now she is saying that she is only embarrassing herself because she is the only one trying in this relationship and that I am stubborn and refuses to acknowledge that she is trying to change. She said that we broke up over a small reason cause I was always planning to leave her. That is false because when we broke up, we were already fighting about me not being able to give her some time out of my day cause of my studying for exams and when I finally gave her the time, she said that I would rather spend time with my gaming than with her, which pissed me off because she just showed that she was blind to everything that I have been doing for her and I felt there is no point in us having this relationship if that is what she thought of me. Though this would have been one of our normal break ups, the things she did after the break up convinced me to make it permanent: her going to a concert with her girlfriends right after the break up to party (which she knows I am not a fan of cause she gets hit on by men a lot, which is exactly what happened at the concert by a music artist), her going to a resort several hours away to be with her guy friend, hugging her guy friend and his friend too close, her wearing a bikini/revealing outfit (while with her guy friend) and posting it despite knowing that I hated it, going to the beach in another revealing outfit, combined with more arguments with her constantly blaming me for breaking up with her over a “stupid reason”, despite telling her about her mistakes. Each argument was so draining for me that it kept reinforcing my decision to not date her again. She also kept accusing me and my parents of being racists and ruining her life and self esteem etc by discriminating against her cause of her skin tone despite explaining to her countless times that the race is not the issue, it is the influence of the modern society because wicked women exists in all races. Fighting with her is mentally and emotionally draining but a part of me still cares about her. I know that I am an asshole but I thought I tried my best….
All of this just kept feeding my core belief that everyone would be better off without me, and that I am better off being alone.
You said that her compulsion cannot change unless she truly heals and transforms, which I told her and she asked me why I had to break up, why not just give space to each other until she is fully healed, which means she wants us to remain a couple in public but she would not bother me until she is fully healed, after which I could give her another chance to prove her worth. I told her that we are still breaking up but what she said recreated the doubt in my heart whether to give her another chance or not.
My inner child wants her, doesn’t that mean that what my inner child wants is not always necessarily what it needs or necessarily right? So how do I differentiate between what is good for it and what is bad for it?
Thank you for the video suggestion, I will look into it.
Paradoxy.
March 30, 2024 at 1:10 am in reply to: Should a “Cheating” Girlfriend be forgiven over a technicality? #430354ParadoxMusicParticipantDear anita,
The inconsistencies occur because the lifestyle I grew up in is more complex than the lifestyle that you guys grew up knowing. I grew up in a village with farmers and traditions and religious devotions and family politics. I am trying my best to simplify the issues that I experience for the readers to understand better, but there are a lot of underlying factors that affect the situation which would be too complex for me to explain cause it is something you experience, not something you just know. I am able to argue back against the advice given because I have already considered the different outcomes before asking the questions, and I expected solutions that I have not already thought of but I keep getting answers that I am already aware of. I know that my parents are cancerous to me, but I have already mentally and emotionally cut myself off of them, but do not disrespect them because I am wise enough to realize that though their methods are just horrible, their intentions were still good. Listing out all of the specifics leading to this realization is too complicated to just write down, you have to experience it to actually understand it. In the same way, a lot of other things that you and the others have stated have already been considered, but there is always an underlying obstacle because due to a lifestyle difference, certain obstacles are harder to get over. It is like the different species of sharks around the world. They may all be sharks but you cannot treat every shark the same way, as there are differences in behavior and etc. A Nurse shark would not be as aggressive as a great white shark.
I know what Godwin-the-child wants. He wants compassion, friends, to be cared for by someone. He wants to make music, play the piano, build machines, play videogames, watch animes etc. I have just decided to shut him up for now so I can focus on med and then give him some freedom after med so he doesn’t affect my chances in becoming a doctor.
I appreciate the advice you have given anita, but life is way more complex for certain people due to underlying factors that affect every decision. The factors that affected you will not be the same factors that affect me, and therefore the solutions you suggest won’t work in certain situations. I make my decisions by considering all these factors first. That is why I came here because despite knowing that what B did was wrong and she does not deserve forgiveness from me, I have to consider all the factors that helped create her situation and also think about what I would do in her situation while also considering B’s past which would have had some form of influence in her poor decision making as well as her emotions then. A lot of people make rash stupid decisions that make you wonder how in the world they were stupid enough to do certain things but you do not know what that person experienced in that moment, the thoughts that they underwent in that one simple moment, unless you actually experience it yourself. The complexity of the situation made me want a third person’s perspective before I made my decision. In fact you might need her side of the story too because my perspective of things may cloud your judgement cause you can only see the situation from my point of view.
I apologize if I sound like a stubborn brat to you.
Paradoxy
March 30, 2024 at 12:42 am in reply to: Should a “Cheating” Girlfriend be forgiven over a technicality? #430352ParadoxMusicParticipantDear Roberta,
I am not saying that amazing women like you don’t exist. It is just that unfortunately, most of the young women today are being influenced by all the wrong people on social media today and peer pressure and etc, which leads them to follow the wrong path, and most of them are rebellious too so their parents can’t control them. These types of women continue to rise. It is very rare to find amazing women like you and I am disappointed in your husband for not realizing what he lost, but I appreciate you for sharing your experience.
Paradoxy
March 30, 2024 at 12:37 am in reply to: Should a “Cheating” Girlfriend be forgiven over a technicality? #430351ParadoxMusicParticipantDear Tee,
I don’t follow my father’s wisdom. It was just used to guide me to make my own wisdom, that I chose after differentiating the right and wrong in his wisdom. I am in touch with my emotions, I just don’t let it affect my work.
You are right that my father only passed on the set of moral codes and rules for life. But I used my experiences to create the wisdom of the heart. I don’t believe that emotions should be ignored. I just choose to still ignore it cause I still have things I need to get completed. I cannot let my depression affect them.
I already know that what my father is like. And he is exactly what you described him to be. That is why I no longer engage with him unnecessarily. I just mind my own business. My father is a pro in speaking the truth in such a logical way that he is able to prove everyone wrong. It is not mere convincing, he is able to use evidence and logic in such a clear form that you cannot argue with logic. In my case he may be convinced that his stance is right, but in cases regarding other people, he is not merely convincing, he is actually PROVING that his stance is right. If it was mere persuasion, people would still be able to argue with him. But he shuts everyone up with pure logic. It’s like he can PROVE that 2+2=4 instead of 5 and nobody will go against it cause they know he is right. In the case of me choosing medicine, that was a situation of convincing, but though I knew he was wrong, I just decided to go along with his decision to avoid making things complicated and to avoid a fight. Besides, what am I going to do once I quit med? Think my parents will support me pursuing another career? They pay for my college tuition and rent etc. So how do I even oppose them? I accepted my parents wishes cause it would be a drag to go against them. Then everyday they will call me reminding me that quitting med is a bad idea and etc. I was not convinced by my parents’ ideals. I just chose med to just avoid dealing with them. My preferences are music and computers, but I do not have the time nor funds to pursue them. I had to even get pirated versions of music softwares to make my music, which I had to stop when Med started. So what do I do now?
Paradoxy
March 28, 2024 at 3:38 pm in reply to: Should a “Cheating” Girlfriend be forgiven over a technicality? #430298ParadoxMusicParticipantDear Tee,
Even if I am still suffering, that still doesn’t change that their behavior only affected me in the past. I am in college now, in a whole different country far from their influence.
I don’t know how to explain this but the mediocre education that my father received is not even college level. All my father knew was basic knowledge on electricity which he built upon through experience and reading books. My mother was able to go to a nursing school but even that school is nothing compared to the nursing schools of today. I just used community college as the closest thing I could think of that I thought you would be familiar with. The lifestyle that you are familiar with is not the lifestyle my parents grew up in. They are not familiar with teenager issues and suicidal people like we are now. They are just too stubborn and narrow minded to see these issues.
Yes my father had suffered some trauma. But that trauma has made him compassionate enough to WANT to understand, but he is INCAPABLE OF UNDERSTANDING. That is because he still follows the rules and beliefs that he grew up in. That is why he asks me to open up but his inability to understand forces me to never open up to him because all he points out is how my feelings are wrong instead of understanding why I am feeling the way I feel. He suffered a lot of trauma in his youth but he did not become suicidal. He cannot empathize with suicidal people. He literally cannot understand it. You are right about everything else you said, about his beliefs and etc. And yes a part of that logic is imprinted in me too. It’s something that a lot of men agree with. I cannot waste time sulking about my depression and etc. I believe that it is essential to be in touch with your emotions AND know where your priorities lie. It is okay to grieve, but do not let the grieving prevent you from taking care of your responsibilities and dealing with your priorities.
I have already acknowledged that there is a wounded part in me. But what do you expect me to do about his emotional needs and stuff? How am I supposed to change his loneliness when no one even wants to give me a chance at having their friendship? How am I supposed to do the things that this “inner child” wants when I have other priorities that requires more attention? I have been having exams for the last few weeks and I have been focusing on them. I tried my best not to let the break up affect my studying. The way you tell me to heal makes it sound so simple.
Paradoxy
March 28, 2024 at 4:51 am in reply to: Should a “Cheating” Girlfriend be forgiven over a technicality? #430272ParadoxMusicParticipantDear Tee,
You are right that my parents did not need to crush the person who is having the suicidal feelings. But they did what they did and I consider that the past, something that I have moved on from a long time ago. My father is not highly educated. Both of my parents only had a community college level basic education. Both of them got where they are now through sheer will power and determination. And education has nothing to do with the ability to empathize with people. He has suffered far worse than me yet he was never suicidal. He cannot empathize with me on this matter and he will see suicidal people as idiots. I am not making excuses, I understand why they did what they did. But that does not mean I will support what they did nor am I going to forget what they did. I just don’t anyone to have the misunderstanding that my parents are horrible people. They are just stubborn and ignorant. Thats it.
You keep mentioning that I heal from this. How do you expect me to heal? I am fully aware of my thoughts. I am fully aware of my feelings and the path that I am being driven into. So all I have to do is just change my mindset. But a part of me does not want to change that mindset. But I know it is wrong. It’s like the pain gives me some form of satisfaction. I find peace in this loneliness I feel. How are these negative thoughts going to affect me if I have perfect control over them?
Paradoxy
March 28, 2024 at 12:32 am in reply to: Should a “Cheating” Girlfriend be forgiven over a technicality? #430266ParadoxMusicParticipantDear Tee,
“The problem is that we cannot selectively switch off just the unpleasant emotions while keeping the pleasant ones” That’s the weird part. I am able to freely smile and “enjoy” a lot of things without facing any issues. I can even smile and laugh even right now. So is it actually affecting me?
“This is a negative bias towards women: that women do stupid things, and that it’s normal for them.” I think you misunderstood. I am not saying that women do stupid things, I am saying that women do things that men (I) view as stupid, such as spending hundreds of dollars on makeup and outfits, or when they are dramatic about lots of issues or when some women see their man interacting with another woman for 5 seconds, they are able to be upset for the entire day for literally no reason when all the man probably did is show the woman some directions or something. That is not an attitude I picked up from my father, that is something that I have seen from real life situations. And I only saw B through that lens cause of the absolute foolishness she kept doing. This woman broke up with me just cause I left my phone online on Instagram while I was sleeping. That is the foolishness I had to deal with. And what makes it even more stupid is that she had access to my Instagram account so if I were doing any suspicious activity, she would have known. This opinion of mine may seem like bias to you but it’s really not. I have seen multiple men complain about these same foolishness before I realized this is actually normal. It is normal for women to be overthinking about even the smallest things. They have proven it through their actions. I am not saying all women are like this, but the women that I have seen, the women that I’ve heard other men complain about, have all been like this. Tee, the women today even post sexy photos of themselves in revealing outfits and claim they are doing it for themself. IF THEY ARE DOING IT FOR THEMSELF<, WHY NOT JUST KEEP IT IN THEIR GALLERY???? This is not something that only B did, but other women have done it too. I have heard enough first hand experiences from men to know this kind of foolishness is normal to an extent but that doesn’t mean I will tolerate it more than I should.
“I don’t know of this new “normal”, where women leave their man if he shows tears.” This is quite normal in this world. Even women using divorce to steal half of a man’s wealth has become normalized in the current society. That is why most men live in fear of dating women. I can give you lots of real life stories that I witnessed with women behaving in similar manners. One such experience was when my father brought in a foreigner to work at his company and he found a woman here to marry. They got married and hit it off for a while but then one day, following an altercation, that woman called the immigration officers on him while he was at work. He was then arrested and taken to the detention center, where he cried to his wife and my dad pleading for help to get out of there, but the wife did nothing to help him get out. So my father got him out by sending him to Cuba and fixing his paperwork so that he can return to work at his company again. And they got divorced as soon as he landed here.
Another similar example was my dad’s other friend, who had a girlfriend and a teenage daughter. They were a lovely couple and I always visited them with my dad. One day, the woman got offered a job in the US and she wanted to move there to work but the man couldn’t move because his entire family was here and his job was here too and it would be difficult for him to get another job in the US. However, because she wanted to move to the States so badly, the man did extra work to make the money necessary to send his gf and their daughter to the US while he stayed behind to make more money so he can later join them. But a few weeks later, I found out that the woman got the job in the US (Florida to be precise), broke up with him, and married some doctor in the States, leaving him behind, broken. I can give you more real life examples that I actually witnessed regarding women like these. Therefore, I cannot really blame my parents for having their bad opinion about women when the women they have known are women like these. I don’t know where you live but the men there must be extremely lucky to not have these issues, cause these women are normal here.
“So I guess they’ve brought you up with this outdated stereotype about how a true man and a true woman should be.” If my parents brought me up in the actual outdated stereotype that you assumed them to have done, they would have taught me that men should go out and do all the work while women must stay home as housewives bearing children and etc. That is not what my parents taught me. My parents taught me that women should be treated with respect and love and that women should be allowed to study and pursue their dreams and marry the man they desire and they should be loyal to their man, and the same goes for men too and etc. My parents taught me that when a man and woman become one, they should share their burdens, not force them on one person. The wife should be the husband’s best friend and the husband should be the wife’s best friend and they should work together to make decisions and always be responsible for each other and for their family. They taught me that the man should be the head of the household but he should never shut down his wife and always let her share her opinion regarding things and let her assist in decision making. That is what my parents taught me, and I do not believe there is anything wrong with the things they taught me.
The only reason my parents shut down my feelings is because they cannot comprehend my feelings. They cannot comprehend the pain that a suicidal person is going through. They just use logic instead of emotions to deal with such issues, and they cannot relate to me in any manner or form. So their inability to understand me forced me to shut down my feelings because I would be wasting my energy trying to make them understand. The fact that men cannot show their emotions is something that society taught me, not what my parents taught me. My parents wanted me to express myself but their inability to understand forced me to shut down my feelings instead of telling them. They literally cannot comprehend it. That is why they only saw the humiliation when the church found out that I was suicidal.
Look at all these feminists and other women out there creating an environment where the man has to just endure and never complain until they are completely fed up. Not every women is as mature as you are. Especially nowadays, look at all these young women just going to clubs and drinking and sleeping with multiple men and men sleeping with multiple women and etc. That is the state of current society right now. Do you think these women will appreciate a man who is in “touch with his emotions”? Immature people like these women won’t understand complex emotions. These immature women will only treat the men with emotions as weak men. Their only focus is themself. I am not saying that all women are like this. I am saying that women like this do exist, as shown by the real life examples I told you earlier.
How do you differentiate between a good and bad partner anyway in this day and age? My uncle and aunt got married in December 2012 and when we met my aunt, she was the most amazing woman that any one of us had ever met. I was like 7 back then and even I was impressed by her, and you know that if an innocent child is able to say you are amazing, that means YOU ARE AMAZING. My aunt was so caring, so loving, so kind and understanding, always taking care of each of us family members, always helping out in the kitchen and taking responsibility and etc. Even my father told the other women in the house that they should learn from her (as a joke). She was a well respected teacher at a high school and was always looked up to by the kids there. But only recently did we find out her true nature. She had rejected Christianity and she disrespected my grandfather who is a priest. She had been emotionally cheating with another man (A TAXI DRIVER!!!!!) while my confused uncle was at home wondering why she was behaving so hostile to him. Everyone knows my uncle as the deacon and the well respected teacher. Everyone knows that my uncle is kind, gentle and innocent (to the point that they take advantage of him to borrow money which they never return). EVERYONE KNOWS THAT HE IS NOT EVEN THE TYPE TO ABUSE HIS WIFE. But this woman divorced him cause he was not masculine enough for her!!!!!! This is the type of woman that exists in society now. This woman is a perfect example of a woman who would leave their man for showing his emotions. Then she married the taxi driver and converted into his religion. She even tried to turn their two kids against their father, but the older one was mature enough to realize what a horrible person his mother really is but the younger one was easily manipulated by treats and other stuff his mother brought. She even forced her own brother out of her family and treats her mother like trash, and we didn’t know any of this until recently cause of how good she was at hiding it. So how do we even tell who is a good partner and who is not a good partner? They can easily hide it from us, make us believe that they are the most perfect person in the world, while hiding their true nature.
Paradoxy
March 27, 2024 at 2:28 pm in reply to: Should a “Cheating” Girlfriend be forgiven over a technicality? #430232ParadoxMusicParticipantDear Tee,
Yes I said that the pain has been eating me up and destroying me and that I couldn’t sleep etc. But all that happened while I was in relationship with her. I was in pain and suffering during the last three months because that was the period when I decided to give her one more chance. But now that she used up all her chances and made me break up with her, I am slowly healing. The pain did ruin me when I was in the relationship. But now that I am no longer in the relationship, I feel more normal. I do not have a constant reminder next to me, even though I do remind myself anyway. But I am able to focus on my work without the reminder interfering with my studies. While in relationship with her, her very existence next to me or something, even just looking at her was a constant reminder to my pain. But I am no longer with her. I do not have her next to me reminding me of what happened. Reminding me of the things she did. Therefore I am in the process of healing, and working on clearing my doubts on whether I should take her back or not. But all the evidence indicate that I am more at peace without her in my life, but that does not mean my caring side will stop caring about her. My brain has accepted that I am safer away from her even if my heart aches for her. And due to that level of self control, I am able to lead a much more normal life, with less pain and suffering. It’s just everything is dull now. But other than that, everything is normal.
And yes I have the occasional thoughts of wanting to go back in time to erase myself, but the way I am now, even I am surprised with how well I am coping. Makes me wonder if I even loved at her at all, or if I just detached myself from those feelings completely. My thoughts contain pain but my actual emotions are normal. It’s like I literally feel nothing. No pain. No joy. No sorrow. No anger. Its like I am numb to all of it. Do you understand what I mean? It’s like the only time you feel something is when you actively think about the issue, whereas while I was in the relationship, I was constantly in pain, not being able to stop thinking those thoughts at all. But now I am numb, only being reminded of the pain instead of actively feeling the pain.
“This sounds like something your father would say.” That is the funny part. My father never said that, I actually heard other men say it, but my father said it through his actions. Besides you should know it is a common stereotype that society built of us men. Men are these strong unwavering figures that never cry and women are these weak emotional creatures etc. (I am exaggerating a bit but you get the point). That is the type of view that society has normalized, to the point that women just choose to leave their man the moment they see them cry, cause they see them as weak and etc. Men should be allowed to feel pain, but it has been normalized that men shouldn’t feel pain. Men have to hide their tears, show a strong face whenever something bad happens. And unfortunately, I am a victim to that too. Besides, I do not plan to let anyone see me in my vulnerable state of misery that I am in right now. It is just better this way.
“And the thing is that we cannot be really wise if we lack emotional intelligence.” That is very true, but sometimes, for certain decisions to be made, you need to cut out your emotions. I would not have been able to detach from B if I didn’t shut out my emotions. I would still be crawling back to her right now willing to give her another chance. Emotions such as fear and love and anger can end up causing you to make the wrong decisions, B being the prime example. Despite knowing that what she was doing was wrong, her fear and love for her aunt made her go along with her plan. Look at where it got her. So sometimes you have to put aside your emotions to make the right choices.
Paradoxy
March 27, 2024 at 8:22 am in reply to: Should a “Cheating” Girlfriend be forgiven over a technicality? #430217ParadoxMusicParticipantDear Anita,
My parents may have taken the short cut to make me an adult, but it has shaped me to be who I am now and I am quite satisfied with it to an extent. And other adults have shown approval in my maturity, even their own children who are much older than me behave worse than me. And I also advise other students at this college to make better decisions regarding women and etc. But I don’t know if it was worth it to become who I am now and I do not know if I have the right to be advising other people considering the situation I got myself in.
It is too late to be Godwin-the-child, I have a med degree to finish and I am too old to be behaving like a child. I should be focusing on my future career and etc. Med is already a pain on my behind so I do not have the time nor energy to share to Godwin-the-child. I do have a lot to grow Anita and I will. Eventually I will get past this.
Paradoxy.
March 27, 2024 at 8:07 am in reply to: Should a “Cheating” Girlfriend be forgiven over a technicality? #430213ParadoxMusicParticipantDear Tee,
Maybe you are right, even if it doesn’t feel that way. My parents have done good and bad things. They have built me into having the good and the bad. But I am happy with the good they have taught me, and I think the good outweighs the bad. And the bad is good too, cause it lets me empathize with those who have went through similar experiences.
I am not sure if seeking excuses for my parents and girlfriend could be considered child-like behavior. It would be more like naive but I have been one to not get a chance to prove myself, to show that I am not the creep, the crazy kid that other people see me as. So with that kind of experience, is it fair to put someone else in that position too? Some people just need one more chance to correct their mistake. I know the world is a cruel place, but I want to believe in the good in people. I want to believe that the mistakes that one person makes does not define who they are. That is why I continue to search for a good excuse. Just like how God tried to find at least one good person in Sodom and Gomorrah at Abraham’s request before deciding to destroy the cities full of sinners. How can B show that she has changed if I do not give her a chance? Some people do not understand their mistakes until they actually experience it. Should I not take into consideration the good in people? Even in the case of my parents. When a parent tells their daughter not to wear short skirts and etc, or tells their child to be home before 7 pm, it is not because the parent does not care about the child. It is because the parent wants to ensure the child’s safety that the parent makes these rules. However the parent may go to extreme measures to ensure the safety of the child, and that may include tying the child down in a chair or something. Isn’t that wrong? Technically it is wrong, but if the child is very rebellious or something and refuses to listen to the parent when they say that it is dangerous outside right now, wouldn’t the child have to suffer the consequences? And if the child ends up getting killed for going against the parent, it is not just a loss for the child but also for the parent. In my case, my parents had all these beliefs in their heads that were passed down from their parents. And so they forced those same beliefs on me, thinking they were molding me to become a real “man”. A parent cannot get everything right about how they treat their child, but my parents have explained the reasons behind their actions, their beliefs, so even if they did all kinds of wrong things, I know that their intentions were true. I forgive them but I do not forget them.
You said that I am in my child self, I am neglecting my own pain, just like my parents neglected my pain. But technically isn’t that most men do? Men have been viewed by society to be strong and etc, and if they are seen crying or anything, they will be perceived as weak. I think I am just one of those victims. Doesn’t most people ignore most men’s pain? We do not have time to feel pain. We have responsibilities and other issues to worry about. I think my parents were neglecting my pain to let me grow into someone that is not affected by pain like this. As a result, though I feel pain in leaving B, I am able to live a much more normal life than I would have been. Occasionally I feel sad about what has happened, but I am able to focus on my priorities more easily. I found out about what happened with B last Christmas, while I was with my parents. I broke down in my room when I learnt about what happened, but as soon as my parents needed me, I was able to wipe my tears away and change my mental state to deal with whatever issue my parents were having. So am I actually neglecting my pain or am I choosing to push it to the back of my mind cause I have other priorities like studying for my med exam and other things that should not be affected by my pain?
Paradoxy
March 26, 2024 at 12:17 am in reply to: Should a “Cheating” Girlfriend be forgiven over a technicality? #430172ParadoxMusicParticipantDear Tee,
Thank you for kind words, I appreciate it. I am not sure if I can actually have a fraction of empathy for myself cause the guilt of hurting others always overwhelms me. In some cases it may have been accidental yet I became the reasons that others had to go through a bad experience. That guilt overwhelms me. My ex-crush probably still sees me as that creepy guy that made a humiliating website for her, and the other church members probably sees me as the suicidal kid. That was not the label I wanted to be known for, and I don’t think I can change it. But I was never offered a chance to show my real personality to anyone, so they all pushed me away. The one person who didn’t push me away was B, but here I am. Makes me wonder if I should give her another chance since she gave me a chance too. But I already gave her multiple chances I guess.
“What you call the starting point (your parent’s influence) is like the foundations of a house” I made a mistake, I used the wrong term to define their influence. Their influence is actually minor. The starting point was actually a girl who lived in the same street as me who constantly bullied me. Whenever I tried to make friends with the kids in the community, she would turn them all against me, insulting me, calling me names, making me a laughing stock in front of them. This constant isolation made me constantly on my own. Not having friends and not knowing what it means to be cared for became the starting point for my miserable life.
By the time my parents’ influence on my misery became strong was closer to age 13-16, which are basically teenage years and therefore I associate my parents’ actions as their method to deal with normal teenage rebellion. However, that does not change the fact that they never thought of encouraging the things that I liked, whether it be music or coding or etc. They never let me have a childhood, always forcing me to “act like an adult” and etc. But honestly, I am not interested in stupid adult politics and etc. They make me sit with the adults but I am literally just sitting near them being awkwardly quiet while my parents do the talking. It makes me look more like a fool in front of them cause there is literally nothing I can contribute to a conversation that I am neither knows anything about nor interested in. The constant pressure of needing high scores and everything in order to get into a college to pursue a degree in something I hated drove me to where I am as well. So I do not think my parents are the foundation of my misery, but they do play a role in it.
You are right about everything else you said. But have you ever wondered, if others would even realize that you are not in the room anymore? Like you are basically invisible to them. They do not realize you exist until something relevant occurs. Have you never wondered, what difference would it make, whether u exist or not? Is ur existence actually causing trouble for others or would they appreciate never having met you?
It was my mother who said my behavior was humiliating for them. My father tried to understand but he is the type of person that constantly tells me that suicidal people are idiots and etc. And regarding the school friend, it’s okay to be worried but sometimes it’s better to do nothing than doing something especially considering how delicate suicidal people are. I told her that I am fine and not to tell anyone and that is the exact thing she did. She refused to go along with my wishes and look at where it got me. In a bigger mess than what I was already enduring. All she did was give me more reason to kill myself. But I am a Christian who believes in hell and etc. I would rather spend a 100 years suffering on Earth than an eternity suffering in hell. Yes I understand that authorities should be notified but most suicidal people wants some help, but I did not ask for help cause I knew I was not going to kill myself. The least she could have done is trust me/ respect my wishes, especially after I told her that it was just a feeling and not something I would act on.
“Children can sometimes be very cruel.” Her brother was no child. This happened in Grade 10, between ages 15-17. He is the son of the deacon at our church. He is like one of those kids who actively participate in church activities. I feel like calling him a child is an understatement. He was perfectly aware of what he said, but I do factor in normal teenage foolishness, but he was still aware. We were almost adults, he obviously knew what he was doing even if its not with a mature mindset.
Each experience shaped this “house” of mine. Like I stated before, this self hate started with the girl who bullied me, and the combined impact of my parents and other experiences influenced me to believe in this core belief of mine. But the thing is, I knew that this core belief of mine was wrong, but I still continued to believe it, cause I wondered, what if I went back in time to the day I was born and just killed myself as a baby? All these experiences would never have occurred. No one would even realize that something is different about their lives. My existence means nothing to anyone. Even my father has pointed that out to me. Whether I exist or not, the world would continue on, so what is my purpose anyway? That was when I made helping people as my purpose. To be the reason that other people are happy. I adopted other people’s happiness as my own. Watching other people be happy made me happy. I couldn’t be happy myself so might as well seek happiness in knowing others are happy. Otherwise I would just be hollow, someone without something to live for. B was my something to live for. But what do I have now? I am back to my hollow self, desperately trying to glue the broken pieces of my empty shell. Even homeless people on the streets have something to live for. But I have just accepted death. If death was an actual figure like the grim reaper or something, I would gladly come and hug him like I just found my long lost friend.
I am well aware that all my thoughts are wrong, but it is just how I feel, the thoughts I have, the things I wonder. I hope you understand.
Paradoxy.
March 25, 2024 at 10:48 pm in reply to: Should a “Cheating” Girlfriend be forgiven over a technicality? #430171ParadoxMusicParticipantDear Anita,
You misunderstood what I said. I did not say that she would sleep with her manager to keep her job. I am saying that if she were the person that you think she is, she WOULD have slept with the manager. But the fact that she lost her job indicates that she did not sleep with him, and therefore I am saying she might not be as a bad as you think.
Thank you for your concern, your advice is important to me. I only radiated the negative energy to him, probably because I am not that good friends with him, especially cause he has habits that I dislike, such as sexualizing woman and “checking her out”, etc. And he is the only person who have said to me that I radiate the negative energy so I think I am doing a pretty good job hiding my pain. Maybe one day I will overcome it.
Paradoxy
March 24, 2024 at 7:12 pm in reply to: Should a “Cheating” Girlfriend be forgiven over a technicality? #428989ParadoxMusicParticipantDear Anita,
I will try to get individual therapy. But I doubt I have time as it is exam period currently and med is a pain right now.
“Your months-long torment is like rottenness in your bones, is it, Paradoxy?” And yes the months long torment is like rottenness in my bones. It is deteriorating my mental health and emotional health. I have noticed that I am becoming colder, but only towards B.
“You want to teach her in her 3rd decade, post her formative years, do you?” Yes I wanted to teach her to be a good wife in her 3rd decade. I thought that I could fix her by pouring out all my love to heal the scars that she had but my love was not enough.
“So, mathematically, statistically, you wouldn’t be motivated to consider another woman.” Yeah you are right, I would not be motivated to find another woman. And I said that B is a 100000x better than most woman because I observed other people’s relationships, conversations, etc and generally, the women were all annoying, but some were dating multiple men while others were using the men for their money and etc. And in other cases, the men were the problem, as they wanted sex and the lack of being sexually satisfied triggered breaks up too. I only found few proper couples that I am actually quite jealous of to be honest. The guy living next to me started dating around the same time as me and he seems to barely have conflicts with his partner (she is a med student while he studies econ).
The key phrase that you missed is that I said that she is still the best compared to MOST of the other women that I HAVE MET. So technically it is not a fact, it is just an opinion based on my observations.
Regarding my parents, the emotional abuse was just based on the fact that I have always felt alone and abandoned. I felt like a burden to my own parents, a waste of time and money. They have never listened to me and they always forced their way on me, always claiming that the path they have laid out for me is the best option for me. They force their family tradition on me, not even letting me date who I want to date (but I guess they have a point considering what just happened). But overall, dating is out of option for me which is why I had to secretly date B.
My father raised me the way old fashioned people brought up a man. So that means I have no room for emotions and etc. He always wanted me to think like older people despite being still a child, and that made me never get any chance to enjoy my childhood (I had no friends anyway so them preventing me from enjoying my childhood barely changed anything). We were poor too so I never got to enjoy things other kids got to enjoy, but I did not mind cause I understood the value of money and that I should not waste it on things like video games and etc. But my parents still tried to let me have some fun. My father bought me a second hand PS 2 which was the first time I got to experience gaming but that only lasted for a few months cause he eventually hid it to let me focus on studying but by the time I found it again, ants had already destroyed the hard drive. But anyway, I do not see my parents as a bad people for the pain they caused me because with the bad things, they have done some good things but I always understood the reasons for the bad treatment. However, there were moments like guilt-tripping and other similar circumstances where they would manipulate me into doing what they want without complaining (my father is a pro at psychology, and he is so rigid that everyone, whether it be his own boss, his friends, or our own relatives, knows that he should not be messed with because he always speaks the truth and can put anyone in their place by using pure logic). Everything that my father taught me was logically correct, but I was wise enough to know that there are exceptions to the wisdom he passed to me. I did not let his opinion about things completely blind me, but it guided me to make even better decisions than he did, but I still have a long way to go as shown by the current situation.
My father suffered a lot in his childhood, worse than me to be honest. He was the oldest among the three children but that means he got treated the worst too. He was abandoned and belittled and treated like trash by his own family and distant relatives too, and he was traumatized by an incident when he was 5 where he was falsely accused of stealing 10 cents and was tortured for weeks with physical beating by his teacher until he had to admit to stealing to stop the pain, even though he did not steal the money (the teacher hated his father because he was a priest so that anger was redirected to him). This event was so horrible that ever since that day, whenever something goes missing, people would instantly be suspicious of him, even to the point of accusing him of teaching his brothers to be thieves as well. The trauma from that incident was so severe that I have seen him cry about it even now and he is almost 50 years old. But these harsh situations made him grow his resolve to be better than everyone who treated him poorly, to the point that he was the only person to have a highly respected and high-earning job as a marine electrical engineer in cruise ships and cargo ships, while everyone else had average engineering jobs or teacher jobs etc. He is also a devoted Christian, always telling me to trust God as his God never abandoned him when everyone else did and he never went against his Christian principles which I respect and follow too but I do not like it when he muddles up family tradition with Christian principles.
Please do not view my parents as horrible parents, as I am their first child anyway so their poor parenting is understandable. My father was harsh in hammering in foundations in mathematics and other disciplines, but now I realize that hammering in that discipline has considerably helped me academically as well as making me wiser than others my age. I think they tried to correct their ways for my younger sister, but that caused her to become a spoilt brat who always fights them and have her tantrums to get her way (She is 10 now by the way). The main difference between my sister and I is that she received too much freedom and I received too less freedom. My parents still think I do not know what freedom means. They think I view freedom as the ability to do anything, right or wrong, but in reality, I view freedom as the ability to not be limited by other people’s judgements and opinions etc, while also being aware of the line between right and wrong. And that freedom, I will never get, as even now I am controlled by my parents’ desires, and when I try to go against them, they install me with the fear of “what if I am wrong”. The career path to become a doctor gurantees that I will be successful in life especially since I can handle the work load to a degree, but will I be happy doing this? Probably not. Though I like helping people, I don’t think med is the best way for me to help people.
My parents have influenced the core belief that I am the source of pain for others, but they are not the main influencer. They have behaved in ways that made me feel like a burden to them but that is just a starting point. The real influence came from my own peers.
I made a website to confess my feelings for my first crush in grade 9, which became a publicly known thing for which I was made fun of for a while, and I felt like I humiliated my crush and that I was a burden to her. We have barely ever spoken since then.
Later I made a pressurized vessel as a bomb to kill myself (which I told u about 4 years ago), for which I also became known for after I injured my arm from the explosion to the point where my classmates made fun of me by asking me about information regarding making bombs. This suicidal behavior caught the attention of my church/school friend who I spoke to about my depression and my suicidal thoughts and I specifically told her that it was just a feeling and I do not plan to act on it anymore and she should keep it between us but she told her parents about it, who told the church about it, who called my parents regarding the issue. My parents felt humiliated by that experience and was very angry with me, making me feel more of a burden. I could not forget that betrayal from her and I cut ties with her then.
Then several months later, her brother pointed out to me what a loser I was and how nobody cared about me. And I realized he was right. I spend my recess times walking around class looking for a friend to hang out with but there was never any who wanted me. This further drived me down the depressive spiral as I felt abandoned by everyone. Not to mention the constant insults I kept getting from my peers. There was no actual bullying, just some hurtful things that I felt were true and I did not have a smart mouth to talk back to the things they said.
Later on, I had a geography project to do with 3 other people with one of them being a well known girl for being a role model student for others. The assignment was quite simple but I tried to convince my group to make the project different from everyone else, but we ran out of time, and 2 of the members had to leave for another class and the girl started crying as we had run out of time but the teacher gave us some extra time to finish the work but her friends started to berate me for causing her to cry and I felt responsible for it because it was my plan that caused the issue. I stayed behind and completed the project with the girl but the pain of being criticized by everyone there was too much for me and I had to get out of the class before anyone saw my tears cause I knew it would just be more humiliation for me and no one cared anyway but unfortunately, one guy and some family friend students saw me crying and asked what happened but I kept everything to myself, crying in silence for being a burden to others.
In grade 10 I started talking to a girl who I started developing feelings for as she showed me compassion and friendship when no one else did. I came by so often and my drastic change in mood and behavior was so noticeable that her friends knew that I had a crush on her. Eventually I confessed my feelings for her, which she rejected but a few days later she said she had feelings for me too but then next day she changed her mind cause she knew her parents would disapprove. So I felt sick cause I felt like I humiliated her in front of her friends cause that’s how obvious it was that she was my crush. But then she told me that she told her parents about me crushing on her. That added to my depression cause her parents were friends with my parents and they just stopped coming to our house from then on (the mother comes by nowadays though but they stopped back then) and it made me feel humiliated in front of her parents for feeling the way I felt, combined with the fear that my parents would find out that I had feelings for her.
Weeks after that, I started searching for online friends and I met with a Muslim girl who I talked to for a bit and we sort of connected and we instantly fell in love with each other. We talked for several weeks before my parents found out and made me break up with her. I grieved for a while cause of the pain but in that time, she moved on to another guy and I took pretended to be someone else to ensure she was happy, which she was. The new guy treated her way better than I could and it made me realize how worthless I am. How worthless my love was. And I had caused her unintentional pain by breaking up with her cause of my parents.
Then later, I fell in love with another online girl but this one was a rebound, where I felt feelings for her as a coping mechanism to the breakup but that relationship became a toxic one as I was the one constantly pouring out my love while she just took the love and never returned any. She even broke up with me one day, went on a date with another guy, then got back with me the next day. Sounds similar to you? Lol. I eventually realized the toxicity in that relationship and I left her as I felt like trash being with her and I felt unlovable and that my love was worthless to her.
Then I met another Muslim girl who I talked to daily and eventually fell in love with. But my parents caught me again but I lied that I was not in love with her. But a few days later she ghosted me. So now I was back to square one again. Abandoned and forgotten.
I got in touch with my first online gf again and found out she broke up with the guy and she was no longer in touch with her other friends. So we talked for a while and eventually reconciled. But then she broke up with me, despite how much love I poured out to her, and she said that she just did not want to date anyone right now. Then later I look at her status to find her dating another man, who treated her poorly anyway and then she ghosted me too. Leaving me there, alone.
Few months later, closer to my birthday, I used my computer skills to track down the other online gf who ghosted me. I found her and she told me that her parents forced her to cut ties with me, which I understood. I asked her if she wanted us to continue our relationship and she agreed. But that did not even last a week. She ghosted me again. So now I was right back to where I was. Abandoned, alone and forgotten.
I am grateful that those online relationships did not last cause I doubt I would have been able to maintain it, and it did teach me things about relationships to an extent. But the pain it caused me drove me believe that maybe I am not cut out for anyone. And the other experiences prior to that added to the depression and the belief that I am a burden to others. And combined with my Dark Energy influence, being the source of pain to others became the core belief of my existence. God’s failed experiment, I call myself. Ironically my real name is Godwin but in reality I am a loser.
Paradoxy
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