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Peter
ParticipantHi Katie
Now I am in a place where I so strongly want to move out of this depression but I feel like I am not sure who I am anymore
The thought that came to my mind when I read that was a question I’ve asked myself when feeling/thinking the same way. Who would I be without this depression? The feeling being that in some perverse way I had attached my senses of self to this experience of depression. The truth being that depression provided a kind of safety net, even a odd comfort, a excuse to remain as I was/am..
My experience of depression has always been rooted in existential angst. Unskillful dwelling on meaning, purpose, loneliness. Eventually I suspect their is a tipping point where the body reacts and depression becomes chemical. Reading your post Its not clear where you are on the scale. A bit of both perhaps, each feeding the other? Have you ever talked to someone about your depression? Medication could help and give you the space to deal with the question of who you are.
I wish you all the best… you are not your depression, you experience depression…
Peter
ParticipantHi Katie
It is very understandable that your teachers’ words have resulted in anxiety. I suspect that most of us have had this experience, if not from a teacher someone else’s who’s opinion matters to us.
When I was troubled in a similar way, I wrote an author of the book, Philosophy for dummies and for whatever his reasons he responded and gave me some advice I have never forgotten… I have forgotten the issue that was bother me. Isn’t that true of almost all such issues?
Tom’s advice: ‘We work for that which no work is required” and the rule of charity. The rule of charity states that if there are multiple possible explanations for an event and there is no way for you to determine which possible explanation is the correct one then chose the most helpful explanation.
The recommendation here might be to sit down with your teacher and have a real conversation. Scary.
In the Book: Critical conversations suggests that before you enter such dialog taking the time to understand your stories, identifying when they are victim and villain stories. Victim and villain stories are sure fired way to end a conversation before it begins. So again, the rule of charity applies as it allows you to enter dialog with an open mind.
You may also find that by going through the exercise of choosing the better possible explanation that there is no need for a conversation. Its possible you don’t need your teacher’s validation in this matter
Peter
ParticipantYour Welcome Sky
I’ve found the rule of charity helps in the process of letting go. In the past I would have let a experience in which I imagined the others intentions negatively overwhelm my inner dialog for days. That’s the thing with such inner dialog is never about the person that hurt us, we aren’t actually talking to them, were talking to ourselves through a imagined them. Such dialog teaches us more about ourselves then about who they may or may not be. The rule of charity allows us to recolonize that and let it go.
I like your very possible explanation. no victim or villains just people.
Peter
ParticipantHi Bell
What is troubling me is often when I cannot differentiate between my “burden” of the past or just simply actions that I should not tolerate.
So it is I think for most people especially those that are sensitive to other peoples feelings. The only way out of that is as Socroties said. “Know thy Self”. The key to discernment is doing the work to know ourselves as we are… and then the task is self acceptance. Knowing your self will help you determine what issues and feelings belong to you and which don’t and with that knowledge the ability to set up healthy boundaries.
Peter
ParticipantHi Bell
In relationships we will attempt to heal past relationships. Nothing wrong with that however most of the time its unconsciously so it can prove troubling.My take on what you wrote is that there is some work for you to do. You may find the book ‘How to be a adult in relationships’ a helpful guide in identifying what ‘stuff’ belongs to you and what ‘stuff’ doesn’t.
Peter
ParticipantHi Pete
How to Let Go…. Their is no try only do. (when you do notice you have let go that’s what you will realize, that you just did it)
You let go by allowing the experience to flow through you vice blocking it. Feel what you need to feel, learn what you need to learn, apply why you learned as best you can and engage life in the present. Forgive yourself- do not dwell (notice when you are), Forgo getting even (with others and yourself). Forbear, be kind to your self.
Ask yourself if your your getting some kind of payoff for hanging on? If you did let go what would that look like? Is there something scary about letting go.
For example I hold onto the pain of my last breakup because it gives me the excuse to hide away and avoid putting myself out their again. It keeps me safe… and miserable. Safety verses taking a chance or Self comfort over Self Care.
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ParticipantHi Sky
The other day someone held the door open for me and then when I didn’t say thank you said something negative about me. My behavior was rude however I was thinking about a friend that had passed and didn’t notice. Had the person known what I was thinking about I suspect they would have held the door without expecting any response from me.
The point being that we can’t know why someone does something without talking to them. We often think we know, but we can’t know with certainty. This is where the rule of charity comes in.
The rule of charity states that if there are multiple possible explanations for an event and there is no way for you to determine which possible explanation is the correct one then chose the most helpful explanation. (The one that won’t have you creating victim/villain stories. )
In your situation you have a choice of talking to the teacher about your disappointment. If you make the choice not to then the rule of charity applies.
Possible explanation. The student that the teacher just talked to told them something that triggered them to retreat within themselves. Perhaps not very professional but we are all human. Have you ever not been 100% present for someone needing your attention?
Peter
ParticipantSo If, as you said, the benefits I get from living like this are higher than what it costs me I should just continue, but I don’t know if it will allow me to fulfill some important objectives such as settling, having a wife, a good job, etc.
There is a time for all things and it seems this is a time for you to travel and explore. As you explore you might pay attention to what this feeling/idea of ‘bored’. When it arises what does it point to? Are you running away from something or is the need to run toward something. Is their such a thing as a lost opportunity? How is that connected to regret? Does the experience of regret leave living in the past and could this stockiness be pushing you to move. (Dwelling on regret is a unskillful. (really about control and wishing to change what can’t be changed)
Learn. As you learn better do better. That’s all any of us can do. If this is a time for travel and adventure, enjoy it.
Peter
ParticipantA question you might ask yourself is what unconscious payoff might you be getting from moving. If you truly wanted to stop this pattern of behavior you would. We don’t do something like moving unless at some level what we get from doing it has a stronger pull.
One of the positive of moving is that we get to start over. Reinvent ourselves. Of course unless we are very self aware most of us will recreate our ‘old selves’ and so no matter where we go we follow ourselves.
If you truly don’t like constantly moving and not having the opportunity to put down root, my guess is that your trying to heal something. Before you move again you might want to sit with the urge to move (runaway?) and see where it takes you.
That said the experiences from all the moving can be a great foundation for future opportunities.
Peter
ParticipantHi Limbikanimaria
Your post reminded me of Schopenhour’s porcupines
A number of porcupines huddled together for warmth on a cold day in winter; but, as they began to prick one another with their quills, they were obliged to disperse. However the cold drove them together again, when just the same thing happened. At last, after many turns of huddling and dispersing, they discovered that they would be best off by remaining at a little distance from one another. In the same way the need of society drives the human porcupines together, only to be mutually repelled by the many prickly and disagreeable qualities of their nature. The moderate distance which they at last discover to be the only tolerable condition of intercourse, is the code of politeness and fine manners; and those who transgress it are roughly told—in the English phrase—to keep their distance. By this arrangement the mutual need of warmth is only very moderately satisfied; but then people do not get pricked. A man who has some heat in himself prefers to remain outside, where he will neither prick other people nor get pricked himself. – Schopenhauer
We seek the warmth of intimacy yet at the same time are repelled by it. I suspect being aware our our tendencies would help us move closer but that their will always be a distance. But maybe that’s ok.
You might find Deborah Luepnitz book ‘Schopenhauer’s Porcupines: Intimacy And Its Dilemmas’ Interesting
Peter
ParticipantBegs the question: What defines a mistake? When does a mistake become a mistake?
February 13, 2020 at 12:03 pm in reply to: I cant stand being single and always being rejected #338010Peter
ParticipantHi Felix
The whole social media dating, meet up… whatever its called doesn’t make much sense to me and I suspect many find it frustrating.
I had a friend who did the online dating thing which worked for her however she understood it was about the numbers and was prepared for a lot of rejection and rejecting. She never took a rejection personal. That took a great deal of self awareness on her part. I suspect that those of us that are sensitive that method isn’t going to work well. It sucks to feel ‘rejected’ but it equally sucks to be the one doing the rejecting.
My suggestion then would be to work on your personal awareness. What can you handle what can’t you? Social media interaction may not be your thing if you can’t detach your sense as self from the experience. Our their any activities, sport’s that you enjoy? Maybe join a group and interact their. (Just don’t be that guy that join a group with the ulterior motive. Join because you enjoy the activity allowing those around you to see you. You will make friends and from their who knows.) Joining a dance class is a excellent place to practice letting go of insecurities.
Peter
ParticipantDear uclmerc:
Reading your post the thought that came to mind is that you have already decided the future of this relationship. Their is nothing wrong with the relationship but its missing something. Love is the requirement for all relationships however love does not mean a relationship is meant to be.
If I’m correct you may be unconsciously ‘testing’ your partner and looking for failures. Even setting him up for failures. The failures giving you ‘permission’ to be upset and end things or perhaps make life so difficult he ends things. You don’t need to seek out this type of ‘permission’. This unconscious testing can become a unintentional form of ‘gas lighting’ where both parties begin to question there reality – especially the one being “tested”. Having been on the receiving end I can tell you its very painful way to end things.
Re-read your post and ask yourself if you haven’t already made your decision and then be honest with your self and partner.
Be kind to yourself
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ParticipantHi Mona
Its important to distinguish the difference between Self care and Self comfort. More often then not we choose the latter, comfort. And by comfort a means to avoid anything that might causes us anxiety, uncertainty or taking a chance.
How to get out of this? Be honest with yourself. Stop when you notice your telling yourself a story, that others don’t like you…. Ask yourself if this a excuse to stop yourself from engaging. Dos the thought of engaging leave you feeling uncomfortable? Is that self care or self comfort?
Your not alone. Speaking for myself I tend towards self comfort, comfort being avoidance of social situations that I fear will overwhelm me. I tell myself I’m not good enough, will mess things up, they won’t like me. But its all a excuse not to engage and remain as I am. Self comfort can easily becomes self abuse and not comfortable at all.
Self care is being honest and trusting oneself, its having healthy boundaries. Others will be attracted by that.
Peter
ParticipantAs a person with tinnitus what you describe very much sounds like tinnitus. Tinnitus has many causes and or is a symptom of many things such as hearing loss, medication, blood pressure, diet. My understand is that the brain is trying to adapt to a sound it expects to hear. In a odd way tinnitus is the sound of no sound.
researchers say that the absence of sound caused by hearing loss in certain frequencies, due to normal aging, loud-noise exposure, or to an accident, forces the brain to produce sounds to replace what is now missing. But when the brain’s limbic system, which is involved in processing emotions and other functions, fails to stop these sounds from reaching conscious auditory processing, tinnitus results
That said you aren’t wrong to pay attention as the ‘volume level’ will change, for example when something induces a change in blood flow, so changes in sound can be revealing with regards to how the current situation is influencing you.
For many people who have tinnitus however that act of paying to close attention to the ringing is enough to increase “volume”, which leads to anxiousness, which leads to louder ringing, repeat, until you feel like your going crazy. So, if you can train yourself to pay attention and remain calm it could become part of a spiritual practice.
For myself my tinnitus has acted as a warning when I’m out of the moment (attached to the moment, fear, desire..) and to stop and ‘calm’ myself.
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