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PeterParticipant
“But I still love him”
I suspect your learning that love does not mean that relationship will thrive or last. That you can love someone even as you end a relationship. Perhaps even that Love requires that a relationship end.
Responsibility, accountability, discipline, meaning, growth… are all attributes of the experience of love. Love requires that we hold those we are in relationship with accountable and sometimes that means the relationship must end. Ending not because you do not love but because you do love. Love continues even if a relationship does not.
PeterParticipantHi CuriousGeorge
The fresh start. I’ve often wondered if such a thing was possible as my own experience has been that no matter where when I took with me everything I wished to leave behind.
I don’t know CuriousGearge. Your post shows a growth in self-awareness as well as an attempt at creating healthy boundaries. Perhaps the practice of the beginner’s mind might help. A beginners mind allows one to realize every moment as a fresh start.
“Beginnings could happen more than once or in different ways. You could think you were starting something afresh, when actually what you were doing was carrying on as before. He had faced his shortcomings and overcome them and so the real business of walking was happening only now.” ― Rachel Joyce, The Unlikely Pilgrimage of Harold Fry
https://tinybuddha.com/blog/beauty-beginners-mind-see-world-eyes-wonder/
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PeterParticipantHi Greenshade
I like what L.B. Smedes said about shame
If you persistently feel you don’t measure up, you are feeling shame—that vague, undefined heaviness that presses on our spirit, dampens our gratitude for the goodness of life, and diminishes our joy…. Most shame we experience and take on is undeserved.
“Shame is heavy; grace is light. Shame and grace are the two counterforces in the human spirit: shame depresses; grace lifts. Shame is like gravity, a psychic force that pulls us down. Grace is like levitation, a spiritual force that defies gravity. If our spiritual experience does not lighten our life, we are not experiencing grace. . . .
“The lightness of grace does not lift all the sandbags that drag the spirit down. It lightens life by removing one very dead weight in particular—the weight of anxiety about being an unacceptable person. Grace gives us courage to track down the sources of unhealthy shame, see it for the undeserved pain it is, and take steps to purge our lives of it completely. It sets loose the lightest feeling of life; being accepted; totally, unreservedly accepted. . . .
“I believe that the only self I need to measure up to is the self my Maker meant me to be.
“I believe that I am accepted by the grace without regard to my deserving.
“I believe that I am accepted along with my shadows and the mix of good and bad I breed in them.
“I believe that I am worthy to be accepted.
“I believe that grace has set me free to accept myself totally, and without conditions, though I do not approve of everything I accept.
“I believe that nothing I deserve to be ashamed of will ever make me unacceptable.
“I believe that I can forgive anyone who has ever infected me with shame I do not deserve.
“I believe that I may forgive myself for anything that I have ever done to shame myself or another person.
“I am gratefully proud of being who I am and what I shall be.
“I believe that the grace heals the shame I do not deserve and heals the shame I do.
PeterParticipantThe Living Apart Together (LAT) arrangement seems to become much more popular however it only works if both people are fully on board. If one partner is really into it and the other is just going along, things won’t end well for either of them.
The LAT arrangement requires each partner to have done the work to ‘know themselves’, the ability to set healthy boundaries and most important good communication skills.
PeterParticipantHi coconut
Read this mornings feature article and thought you might find it helpful.I hope you find a way not to be so hard on yourself
https://tinybuddha.com/blog/you-dont-suck-at-life-how-to-stop-believing-your-inner-bully/
PeterParticipantHi Alex
My friends told me it wasn’t my fault because I was just trying to help him
I hope you don’t mind me pushing back a little. Were you trying to help him or change him? Ultimatums and such tend to point to issues of control not so much as support?
PeterParticipantHi Coconut (great handle)
Like you I’m a great story teller. My mind just won’t quite down at times and most of the stories I tell myself are negative. end result low self esteem = social awkward. The advice I was most commonly given was to stop telling myself negative stories and only tell positive ones. As I never fully believe the positive stories I was spinning it didn’t work. It actually made things worse.
What did work was when I noticing when I was telling myself a story and just stop telling it without filling the gap with other stories or the like. No labeling, no judgments, no excuses, no incrimination, no ‘positive thinking… When I couldn’t stop the story I acknowledged that and moved on.
You may also find Viktor Frankl’s work helpfull
- Dereflection: Dereflection is aimed at helping someone focus away from themselves and toward other people so that they can become whole and spend less time being self-absorbed about a problem or how to reach a goal.
- Paradoxical intention: Paradoxical intention is a technique that has the patient wish for the thing that is feared most. This was suggested for use in the case of anxiety or phobias, in which humor and ridicule can be used when fear is paralyzing. For example, a person with a fear of looking foolish might be encouraged to try to look foolish on purpose. Paradoxically, the fear would be removed when the intention involved the thing that was feared most.
- Socratic dialogue: Socratic dialogue would be used in logotherapy as a tool to help a patient through the process of self-discovery through his or her own words. In this way, the therapist would point out patterns of words and help the client to see the meaning in them. This process is believed to help the client realize an answer that is waiting to be discovered.
PeterParticipantHi Giulea
I can’t change the way they behave – I know I have high expectations in a sense because of how it used to be. My question is how can I stop talking negatively about the community but instead, be constructive and move forward?
I like your question. I often wonder why its so difficult to do the thing and behave in the ways we want. “For I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate.”
Not to be trite but in the words of Yoda for such things there is no try only do. Meaning the best you can do is to become the change you wish to see. This means being very conscious/mindful of when your falling short and then doing better. No judgments against yourself or others, but a compassionate practice of doing better as you learn better.
PeterParticipant“The greatest challenge in life is to be our own person and accept that being different is a blessing and not a curse. A person who knows who they are lives a simple life by eliminating from their orbit anything that does not align with his or her overriding purpose and values. A person must be selective with their time and energy because both elements of life are limited.” ― Kilroy J. Oldster
A necessary ingredient to the simple life is “to know thyself” which just based on the majorly of posts on this site, not so simple.
A good place to start then might be to remove from your life any material objects that you don’t need. Each object you dispose of or keep will tell you much about yourself and what a simple life might mean to you.
The second step may be determining what you want with regards to relationships. Some might argue that the more people you relate to the more complex your life will be. Open yourself to love and you open yourself to being hurt… which begs the question if the desire for a simple life is really a wish for a life without pain? If so what your looking for is not Life, simple or otherwise, as pain is an integral part of life. (without pain we rot)
Life as it is, is complex in its simplicity. Even so the experience of life is something other so no two experiences the same. The simple life for one person may be living in a tent for another a house.
March 26, 2019 at 2:18 pm in reply to: My family doesn't understand me and I don't know how to help them to… #286491PeterParticipantHi Kat
The situation your in sounds very frustrating. For many reasons communication between family can become difficult as so much of the past and sense of self can be involved (for everyone) Mark and Anita might help you with that.
With regards to “other people can multitask but I feel like I just can’t” the idea of multitasking isn’t real. Ego consciousness is linear so no one multitasks. The best we might do is divide our focus on a number of tasks before us however this remains doing one thing a time. We can divide our force in shorter and shorter periods of time so it might appear that we are doing multiple tasks at the same time but that is a illusion. Study have shown that most people don’t handle splinting their focus over multiple tasks that well.
You might be much happier if you can forget this notion of feeling like you should be able to multitask. Focus on the present, what you need to work on now and the rest will follow
PeterParticipantHi Joe
So if it is not possible to undo neuropathways,
You may find the following books helpful
‘Change Your Mind, Change Your Life by Gerald G. Jampolsky MD or
Change Your Thoughts – Change Your Life: Living the Wisdom of the Tao by Dr. Wayne W. Dyer
is it still possible to ignore them?
Ignoring your thoughts can work for a time I guess however in the long run will only end up reinforcing them. You sweep them under the carpet until you eventually trip on them. The practice of mindfulness isn’t about destroying ego or engagement of will power to prevent unwanted thoughts from arising. Its about noticing your thoughts and not attaching your sense of self to them. In this way they flow through you instead of getting bottled up and messing up your day, week, year. Eventually a thought that might have sent you spiraling downward for weeks might be dealt with in a day or even hours.
PeterParticipantHi Christina
The universe if giving you a challenge as it sounds like the perfect place to practice doing something you love without attaching to how you view others are looking and judging you. Not easy but can you imagine what it might feel like not to allow others to influence how you feel about what your doing! To dance as if no one is watching. Master that and there would be no limits to what you might achieve.
PeterParticipantHi Joe
I believe these things are pretty much hardwired in me because of all my reinforcing behavior.
We do become addicted to our thoughts and there has been quite a few study’s showing that our thoughts influence the brains neuropathways. The good news is that we can ‘rewire’ our pathways the bad news is that as you noticed the longer the habit the more difficult to change.
Many meditation masters may tell you that trying to stop thinking a thought will pretty much reinforce the thought. The more resistant we are to a thought the stronger the hold the thought has (do we hold onto the thought or does the thought hold on to us – when we resist its hard to tell) The advice you might get then is to be like water and allow the thoughts to flow. (detachment – not indifference to the thoughts only letting go the need to hold onto them) The practice being that when you notice the unhelpful/unskillful thoughts you acknowledge them, notice how to feel, perhaps identify what may have triggered them and then let them flow past. The flow of water will reshape any pathway even one of rock.
Is it possible to destroy this ego?
I’ve always had a problem with this question. In the west the idea behind the ego is different then that of the east. In the west the ego plays the important role consciousness. Try talking about being “woke” or about experience without using a personal pronoun. What ‘woke’, what noticed the experience?
The ego, sense of self is a tool, the experiencer, the communicator between the spirit and body, the conscious and unconscious. The error we make is assuming we our experiences in other words that we are thins thing called ego. Place in popper context the ego isn’t something we need to destroy but understand.
Here is a paradox for you. It takes a strong health ego to let go of ego.
March 14, 2019 at 9:47 am in reply to: Do artist make art because they believe in something? #284603PeterParticipantI used to get so uptight dancing or completing a wood working project. Trying to be perfect and getting so upset when I made a mistake.
One day I go so tired of myself I just said screw it. I wanted to make a toy chest and Instead of measuring a hundred times I measured twice and cut away. I used wood that was I had lying around that was warped, blemishes didn’t matter. I didn’t have the tools to fix things and used what I had. And you know what? It all worked. Every “mistake” worked and even made it better. It was amazing just going with what happened in the moment. When I wasn’t trying to make things happen and instead allowed things to happen – but with intention. A kind of doing by not doing I started to enjoy the process.
I had the same experience with my dancing. When I let go of expectations how things should be or look, and trying to fix mistakes instead of working with the “mistake” did I learn to dance.
The word Art comes with allot of baggage that more often gets in the way of art. It doesn’t have to matter if one of the intentions of your art is to make money. It can be fun entering into the consumers mind and discovering what they might like while adding something of yourself to it. Is it art? I think so but who’s to say… or care.
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