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Peter
ParticipantThanks for sharing more of the story and I apologize for being harsh – Sometimes when I go through the relationship posts I come away wondering why we make life so difficult for ourselves.
If I read your post correctly your trapped in a relationship that you are unable to get out of and are, in this moment of time anyway, accepting that that is how it must be?
However, its this acceptance that is behind the ‘loss of faith’ in…. yourself, relationship, love, universes ‘love’, others??? Which begs the question is this acceptance or reluctant giving up to the fate’s?
You’re in a difficult position stuck in the present imagining a future that cannot be… “the most painful state of being is remembering a future, particularly the one you’ll never have.” – Kierkegaard – The only way I know of to move forward from where you are is from where you are, dealing with the immediate issues of your current relationship where you are, one step at a time. It’s the projection into the imagined future and desiring everything change all at once, that is behind much of your distress and ‘loss of faith’. (You haven’t lost your faith or your hope though. )
Change happens slowly then all at once.
Peter
ParticipantI thought I had found a true relationship that I could trust and received constant love and words of encouragement and positivism
What makes that a definition of a ‘true relationship’? The naivety may no be so much ‘seeking out to see only the good in others’ but in your expectation of relationship and love.
Sorry I don’t mean to be harsh just that… this problem seems to be in almost every relationship post on this site… and I can’t help but wonder if those stuck this way don’t enjoy not enjoying the drama they create and feeling bad about it. Eventually you would think that we would get to get to a point where we wake up to what isn’t’ working and stop doing it. Yes it hurts, but so does the drama we stay stuck in.
The universe is talking but we don’t like what it has to say, or what the ‘signs’ point to, so we lose faith. ????
Faith is never lost it is revealed. Faith is not the same as belief. Beliefs can and will change, should change as we learn better. What one lean’s on in times of doubt and uncertainty is faith revealed. (Sadly, the faith we actually lean on remains unconscious. We would rather pretend and hold onto the shifting sands that are belief/words.)
Let it go and be happy.
Peter
Participantbut I have been at this point so many times before and everything I do will always lead me back to it sooner or later
I think the words we use matter as well as identifying and becoming conscious of the cognitive distortions laced through out the stories we tell ourselves about ourselves. (Cognitive distortions such as all or nothing thinking and projecting into the future, like everything I do will always lead me back…. You don’t know that… but you can create that)
Your post indicates that you know what you want to do and the path you want to travel however become overwhelmed. Perhaps wanting to change everything all at once and having immediate results as well as the cognitive distortions are getting in the way and leaving you overwhelmed?
I believe we create what we fear so should be careful about the story we tell ourselves. I’m not saying just think positive, bla, bla, bla… not that that’s a wrong attitude but that It takes time to get to get there. A step to getting there is to catch yourself telling a story and stop telling it, breath and let them go. You will be tempted to “fill the vacuum” with more stories but with practice you will find you don’t have to. Focus on changing one thing, one thought, one label, one fear… at a time. Be kind to yourself.
The good news about the reality that we create what we fear is that we can also create what we hope for.
Peter
ParticipantGreat Question Greg
I think this is something a great many people struggle with. I know I do.
I think to show compassion to others one must start by being able to show compassion for one self. Be the change you wish to see.
I also think that many people mix the concept of compassion with the misunderstood concept of ‘unconditional love’. A misunderstanding that if I love you I must also like you and everything that you do. (Unconditional love is not unconditional allowing. Love allows who we are and our actions to have purpose and meaning. Without accountability and responsibility our actions would not matter and there would be no purpose meaning or Love.)
I think Compassion and this perspective of Love work together as it removes the connection between the concepts of compassion and love from the ego. One can be loving and compassionate towards those they disagree with without getting angry or mean or having to be right and still stand for what they think is right without getting their sense of self all wrapped up in it. Its when the sense of self gets wrapped up in things that the trouble starts and the difficulty of being compassionate and loving begins.
Peter
Participant“In the depth of winter I finally learned that there was in me an invincible summer”. Albert Camus
Took a walk around the neighborhood last night. Many of the homes had lights and Christmas trees in the windows. I love the story a Christmas tree tells.
The Ever-green, the bitter sweet promise of the cycle of life… that it is in the depths of winter that new life is made possible, a promise of spring. At the top of the tree a star or angel lights the way. The ornaments of the tree connected to memories of the past, hopes for the future, connection to others… all reflecting the light draped around the tree. A reminder to reflect and perhaps notice, how even the slightest change in perspective changes what we see… experience allowed to flow, we let go.
Letting go we fall, genital as snowflakes, and find ourselves underneath the tree protected by the branches and promise of the ever-green… Their boxes wrapped with ribbon, gifts of unknown possibilities, stirrings of some newness we have only dimly dreamed of… and if nurtured given birth to in the spring.
“I wonder if the snow loves the trees and fields, that it kisses them so gently? And then it covers them up snug, you know, with a white quilt; and perhaps it says, “Go to sleep, darlings, till the summer comes again.” ― Lewis Carroll
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Peter
ParticipantYes, mindful compassion for ourselves and others is a door way to healing
December 15, 2017 at 9:25 am in reply to: Pretty much wasted 2 years of my life. Any Advice? #182393Peter
ParticipantNihilism – nothing has intrinsic meaning or value… including this thing we call nihilism.
If you find yourself on path of nihilism, open the door and walk thorough, don’t fight it. On the other side of the door is Absurdism. Life in all its complex simplicities is absurd especially when we try to measure it (control it). Awakening to the absurd one might laugh or cry or both… and when the laughing and crying subsides, smile. The greatest absurdity is our measuring and labeling. The greatest absurdity is us. When we awaken to absurdity that is I we can choose to be happy.
Say Yes to life as it is and choose to be happy. Free. Happiness no longer linked to this or that desire, this or that understanding of meaning or purpose. Just happy because you can.
Peter
ParticipantYes, its possible.
Anxiety shows up when we notice something is off. Usually when something doesn’t conform to the way we want things to be. As such Anxiety is neither good nor bad, its information. Anxiety becomes a problem when consciousness becomes fixated on a problem and becomes a story we start reacting to and labeling ourselves. Anxiety no longer only information to responded but a condition/story we react to and start to become.
I think your on the right track if you can step back from anxiety, yours or others, and respond with compassion, for yourself and others. That could create enough space to see that anxiety was about control… desire, doubt, uncertainty.
(Could it be that anxiety, uncertainty, doubt, and desire are all about control? Anxiety, uncertainty, doubt, and desire none of which is bad our good in themselves, just information. Its when we label our emotions as good and bad, wanted or unwanted that we start loss contact with our center.)
Peter
ParticipantYou are in a time of transition and something many people experience in the early twenties
Having goals is great but having so many can be overwhelming especially if your attempting to get through them as an act of pure will. There is an art to goal setting and creating a practice to achieve them. When setting goals try breaking them down into doable steps and celebrate the small victories.
Like will attract like – so if you remain open, honest and supportive with yourself like friends will appear.
“It is when we are most lost that we sometimes find our truest friends.” ― Cynthia Rylant
“Not all those who wander are lost.” ― J.R.R. Tolkien
“If you can see your path laid out in front of you step by step, you know it’s not your path. Your own path you make with every step you take. That’s why it’s your path.” “If you do follow your bliss you put yourself on a kind of track that has been there all the while, waiting for you, and the life that you ought to be living is the one you are living. Follow your bliss and don’t be afraid, and doors will open where you didn’t know they were going to be.” ― Joseph Campbell
December 14, 2017 at 10:51 am in reply to: Pretty much wasted 2 years of my life. Any Advice? #182161Peter
Participant“Nothing we learn in this world is ever wasted.” – Eleanor Roosevelt
So
“The only real mistake is the one from which we learn nothing.” – H Ford
“The dogmas of the quiet past, are inadequate to the stormy present. The occasion is piled high with difficulty, and we must rise — with the occasion. As our case is new, so we must think anew, and act anew.” — Abraham Lincoln
To sit to long in the wound of regret will leave you no energy to rise to the occasion. There is a time for all things. Learn what you need to from regret and move forward.
“I used to be a very opinionated person, but now I realize that nothing is for sure, so don’t really have any strong opinions” “Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something.” – Plato
There is no need for strong opinions to stand and do what you feel and think is right for you in the moment. What more can you ask of yourselves or others? Uncertainty and not knowing, if we do not fear it, opens the door to wisdom and compassion, certainty the door to fanaticism. You are in a moment of transition, a tipping point, walk through the door that affirms your authentic self and you will see that nothing you have experienced will have been wasted.
“When an ordinary man attains knowledge, he is a sage; when a sage attains understanding, he is an ordinary man.”
Peter
Participant“Is it too radical to ask if perhaps we should expect absolutely nothing and if, in doing so, we are inevitably not going to strive as hard, but perhaps that is taking it too far.”
Great question. I have always felt that a problem with Buddhism was that when you learn to accept life as it is, (accepting that nothing is either good or bad and that all labeling is unskillful…) that there was a loss of energy to work toward outer change. That is of course not the intention but a trap many who practice fall into.
How do you say Yes to Life as it is, even Yes to what you may not like, and still continue to stand and act for what you feel/think is the good? Act out your truth
You continue to act with the expectation of nothing because how things turn out is not a concern for those that act on what they feel/think is the good, open to learning better to do better. It is enough being authentic to the Self without having to measure the outcome. We do not create meaning, we become meaning.
There is a Hermetic Riddle As above so below as below so above. We are influenced and we influence. Though we may not be in control of change we are co-creators. Who we are does play a role in the world we experience and create, for ourselves and others, its just not in ways easily measurable. (Especially if we demand the outcome of change to be only that which we desire it to be. It is said that ‘Man is the measure of all things’. That may or may not be so however, what is true is that we really suck at measuring our experiences.)
“The Riddle” – Five For Fighting Lyrics
There was a man back in ’95
Whose heart ran out of summers
But before he died, I asked him
Wait, what’s the sense in life
Come over me, Come over me
He said,
Son why you got to sing that tune
Catch a Dylan song or some eclipse of the moon
Let an angel swing and make you swoon
Then you will see… You will see
Then he said,
Here’s a riddle for you
Find the Answer
There’s a reason for the world
You and I…
Picked up my kid from school today
Did you learn anything cause in the world today
You can’t live in a castle far away
Now talk to me, come talk to me
He said,
Dad I’m big but we’re smaller than small
In the scheme of things, well we’re nothing at all
Still every mother’s child sings a lonely song
So play with me, come play with me
And Hey Dad
Here’s a riddle for you
Find the Answer
There’s a reason for the world
You and I…
I said,
Son for all I’ve told you
When you get right down to the
Reason for the world…
Who am I?
There are secrets that we still have left to find
There have been mysteries from the beginning of time
There are answers we’re not wise enough to see
He said… You looking for a clue I Love You free…
The batter swings and the summer flies
As I look into my angel’s eyes
A song plays on while the moon is high over me
Something comes over me
I guess we’re big and I guess we’re small
If you think about it man you know we got it all
Cause we’re all we got on this bouncing ball
And I love you free
I love you freely
Here’s a riddle for you
Find the Answer
There’s a reason for the world
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Peter.
Peter
ParticipantNothing like the end of a relationship to make us re-evaluate our thinking, feeling and expectations of this thing we call love. Will you turn the experience against yourself or will you take a different path and choose growth? If you are able follow through the dark wood I have no doubt that you will discover a deeper relationship to yourself and this thing we call Love. It is because love is both bitter and sweet, often in the same moment, that gives it its flavor.
When my relationship ended I couldn’t understand what happed. I wanted to believe she never really loved me. For a time, I need to believe that because I let her see me and it hurt so much to think that after seeing me she rejected me and rejecting me didn’t love me.
The thing is we did love each other and that love was real. So, what happened. The question that kept coming into my thoughts was ‘What’s love got to do with it?’ My eventual answer: everything and nothing. Everything because we very much and still do care about each other and wanted to see the other become and excel. Nothing because even though we loved each other we weren’t compatible for marriage type relationship and that was something she very much wanted. The Stuff of life kept getting in the way. Had we gotten married one of us growth, or both, would have stagnated. The Stuff of life, homes, location, jobs, family, goals all worked against us. Life demands growth and so sometimes LOVE requires that a relationship end. Sometimes it’s the end of a relationship that is needed to push someone into becoming. Sad but often the case in the bitter sweet that is Love.
That said Relationships never end even if we don’t see the other person again. Its part of the bitter sweet. If we can get to a place where we can know (intuitively or mind) that the end was Love, That the All is LOVE, even when something didn’t work out as we hoped, any new beginning is possible.
Peter
ParticipantIs it possible that you aren’t really missing this guy “who you feel never really loved you” but instead miss the person you felt you were when you were in relationship? Missing the imagined future that you imagined and felt possible while you were with him.
To move forward its important to become conscious of what it is we are really morning the loss of. Taking time to mourn a loss is an important part of the process however one needs to be very clear on what they are mourning.
Your post indicates that you know why the relationship wasn’t going to work (possible that it wasn’t related to love at all just the stuff of life)
We tend to repeat and recreate our past, however that is not because we are unworthy or gluten for punishment, (though some are) but because our authentic Self wants us to heal the past. I know it sounds strange but changing perspective on why the past keeps repeating can be a doorway out. Your authentic Self knows you are worthy, lovable, and deserving. You are worthy, lovable and deserving. It’s the ego small s self that fears its not worthy or deserving. Create some space, change perspective and you will change the story your telling yourself. You may discover that it was the story that was driving your emotions and current experience. A story filled with unhelpful labeling and judgments.
“We are more often frightened than hurt; and we suffer more from imagination than from reality. -Seneca
Peter
ParticipantRarely are opportunities presented to you in a perfect way. In a nice little box with a yellow bow on top. ‘Here, open it, it’s perfect. You’ll love it.’ Opportunities — the good ones — are messy, confusing and hard to recognize. They’re risky. They challenge you. Susan Wojcicki
In other words, life is messy. I’m sorry your going through a difficult time. I did a quick google search on ‘How to achieve the peace in your life when you have never had it’ and there were pages of results. It seems many people struggle with the same problem so you’re not alone.
Based on my own experience with the issue the first step was to create space to really look at what I was feeling and thinking. This may sound strange but allot of my stress and unhappiness was about being stressed and unhappy. I was stressed about being stressed! Well that was pointless so for me the next step was a change of perspective on stress and uncertainty. It came down to fear. I was afraid of feeling stress, stress was something bad, it was messy but what if I stopped being afraid of stress and instead set an intention to noticed it without judging/measuring it (or myself) and instead accept it as a piece of information. It took time but eventually instead of fighting stress and mess which creates a kind of physic log jam I could allow it flow. I still get stuck sometimes however the moments now last a few hours or a day vice weeks.
It can time to change perspective/habit (stress can become a habit) the trick is to start. Make an intention to change the way you deal with stress and the messes of life and then take a step. As you learn better do better what more can you ask of yourself?
Peter
ParticipantSometimes we don’t get to know why someone we cared about moves on without us. (Sometime we must give to ourselves what we hope to have be given by others) It hurts. Not only do we mourn the loss of the friend we mourn the loss of the imagined future. For what ever reason often it’s the loss of the imagined future that hurts the most… perhaps because it leaves us uncertain about the future. Of course, the future is never certain the first step is the practice of letting go and returning to the present.
Another step to moving forward is in accepting doubt. Doubt is to Faith as Fear is to Courage. It is in times of doubt that we discover and exercise our Faith (even if we are unsure of our Faith (what we lean on in times of doubt)
Doubt does not have to end in a loss of confidence. There is a time for all things even doubt. This may be a time for doubt, for you not to know, a time to sit in the wound and wonder (The etymology of the word “wound” comes for the Germanic word, “wunde”. A direct derivative of this word is “wunder”. And in English, that word is translated as “wonder” – it is often during moments of pain when we discover how to be alive and that is a wonder) In other words don’t fight what your feeling, feel it and see what it has to tell you. As you become more connected to your self, like will attract like and you will find the friends you hope for. You will find your tribe
The following book might be helpful – The Five Longings, What We’ve Always Wanted and Already Have
“There are five longings deep within us. They are for love, meaning, freedom, happiness, growth. Each of these five reveals us to ourselves, showing us what we want, what our life is for, what keeps us going, what keeps us looking. Longings are mysterious. We often can’t quite name or explain them. Nor can they ever be perfectly, fully, or finally gratified. We shyly or loudly bring our longings to others. Sometimes we find more than we hoped for, sometimes less. Our healthy practice is a radical one: We notice and ask for some fulfillment of our longings from those we trust. We give up expecting all or perfect satisfaction. We notice that we have longings for the lasting in a world that is always changing. We can take that as a clue to the presence of something transcendent in us. With such spiritual consciousness we finally discover that all five longings reflect qualities in our true nature. We are seeking what we are.”
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