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ParticipantDear Caroline,
We did not saw each other much since that time, only some birthday party and couple of phone calls. She seems nice and different. So I can’t really tell the vibe right now. Is it a phase or is it now different.
You mean you saw each other last weekend, and after that you were together on a birthday party, and you spoke on the phone a couple of times? How did she behave during the birthday party? Was she a bit distant (even if polite)? Did she seem offended or hurt a bit, or anything like that?
I told her she was being mean to me, treating me like I am her younger brother or something, calling me names and mocking.
Good that you were specific enough!
That’s how I feel, like we are siblings and we show each other’s affection by mocking. Except it’s not affection, it’s just siblings who hate each other dynamic.
Actually you said earlier that you are always kind to her. Or at most you stay silent to her mocking. So you don’t behave like you hate her, right? You haven’t been mocking her back, or treating her harshly?
She just said she was sorry. And then started to be nicer but, as you wrote, and as I also wrote, it’s like she is in power and allows me to do things. She decides.
Yes, it seems she is very identified with that parent/superior role, only now she is trying to be nice.
And what I want is: when I want to do something, even if she doesn’t agree or doesn’t approve I still want to do it. Sometimes alone and sometimes with her, if the situation requires like buying something together or going to see a movie that I like.
It’s great that you know what you want. So basically, if you want to do something, you still want to do it, regardless of whether she approves or not. And the good thing is that it only depends on you whether you do it or not. You don’t need her permission.
For example, if you want sushi, and she makes a mocking remark (that you are high maintenance), you still order sushi. If you want to see a movie, and she says no that’s a stupid movie, you still go and see it, either alone or with a friend. If you want to paint your room, and she says no you can’t, you don’t get discouraged, you don’t fight with her either, you simply go ahead and do it. You’d need to develop that inner strength and determination that says “this is what I want, I am allowed to have it, and I will have it.”
I decided we won’t be going shopping together anymore, I just don’t want it.
I think it’s a very good decision! Because you said you tend to be indecisive about what to buy, and you used to ask her a lot. So now, when you’re shopping, try to relax, be in the moment and feel in your gut what you really want. For example, do you want this flavor or that flavor – try to imagine each flavor and decide which one you like better.
Try to listen to your body and your gut, let that guide you when making purchasing decisions. With a little practice, with some trial and error, I am sure you’ll become much more adept in knowing what you want and need. And you won’t be so insecure and in need of her approval.
The way she told me we are going to this concert that I would like to go, even though I never said I want to, she just assumed because I like this artist. So she is generous and wants to take me there. How to change this? I do not need her to give me those things, I want to make my own decisions. I want to buy an avocado or sushi or paint my room without her command: “NO, don’t”, “stop it”.
How to change this? – Well, I think the first step is that you need to be more certain of yourself. You need to stop needing her approval and permission. You need to stop caring so much about her opinion. That’s how you develop more inner strength and autonomy.
And then, or at the same time, you can talk to her about it. You can say what you told me here: “I don’t need you to take me there, I don’t need your permission to go there. I’d appreciate if you didn’t tell me what I can or cannot do. I’d appreciate if you didn’t decide for me. I can make my own decisions.”
You can practice saying that in front of the mirror and see how it feels. You don’t need to tell her immediately, but just practice it with yourself.
I know she is fed up with her mother buying stupid things but I don’t think she goes shopping with her anymore. She is just fed up and angry. and takes it out on me. And I have had enough.
Good! You don’t have to take it any more. She needs to take responsibility for her actions. Even if she might be comparing you to her mother, or whatever other issue she may have, that’s not an excuse to take it out on you. So you’d need to tell her what bothers you and how you’d like to be treated instead.
You can tell her something like: “I don’t like it when you try to prevent me from doing the things I like. When you object every purchasing decision I make and tell me no, you can’t have it. I am an adult, I earn my own money and I would appreciate if you treated me like an adult.”
I think I will be more mindful of what I am saying, whether I am asking her for permission, suggestion, or say things that sound like I am.
Yes, that’s a good decision too – to pay attention to what you’re communicating. Because if you sound like asking for permission, she might just automatically disagree with everything, due to her subconscious programming.
And whether she is commanding me, and what is her general response to things I want to do/buy.
Yes, that’s excellent too – pay close attention to her words and if it’s really a command and she wants to control you, or it’s some automatic reaction.
I do not care anymore to offend her, I am really angry about this.
You have the right to stand up for yourself. That’s not offensive. If she gets offended, that’s your clue that something’s not right.
I have no idea what else should I do to get my power back.
Those are all great ideas: going shopping alone, being more mindful about your own communication, and hers as well. Express what you are bothered with more freely. You can do it in a polite, calm voice, but still determined.
Also, when you go shopping, and in other situations too, pay attention to your own needs and wants, listen to yourself. Because you’ve been taught to diminish yourself, to give up your needs and wants. So you’d need to reverse that, in order to develop more self-confidence and inner power.
I do not feel respected. I feel like a stupid child often. Tee, do you think there is a chance this could be changed?
The only thing you can do is start respecting yourself more. To stop feeling like a stupid child. So the only thing you can really change is the inner feeling. And you can start communicating that self-respect more to her, both by being more confident and also by telling her how you would like to be treated. That’s what you can do. It’s actually quite a lot, so you’ve got many tools in your arsenal.
However, what you cannot control is her reaction to you. You cannot control if she starts respecting you and treating you differently. You’ll have to see about that. But you can start taking charge of your side of the equation.
How does this sound? Does it feel overwhelming or it sounds doable?
Tee
ParticipantDear Caroline,
I talked to her, not much but I said she was mean to me sometimes, that she was not nice.
Did you tell her what specifically bothered you? Or you said it just in general, and she kind of knew what it was and now is treating you nicer?
Has she apologized for how she treated you?
I feel angry. I am scared the “nice phase” will pass and we will be back to the usual. I don’t want to go shopping anymore because now I have had enough.
Yes, unfortunately it’s possible that this is just a phase and that she will go back to her usual self once the situation settles. The question is whether she actually respects you, or she sees you as inferior and inapt, almost like a child who needs her guidance all the time.
She also said we would go to this concert of an artist that I like (But I wasn’t really planning to go so I told her that I am not sure if it works out).
So she hasn’t asked you whether you want to go, but just told you that you’d go to this concert of an artist you like?
I don’t know her actual intention, but if I would to extrapolate from her so-far behavior, it’s almost like she so far disapproved and “forbid” you to do certain things, but now she is “generous” enough and allows you to do those things. It could be the same patronizing dynamic, where she is in charge and is making all the decisions, and you are complying. A little bit like the parent-child dynamic.
This would be in line with what you said here: “Also sounds like..she is allowing me to have those things now, encouraging me, giving permission.”
I am not claiming this to be true, but just saying: if this is just a nice phase, then this is what could be happening. That she is still patronizing you, only now acting like a “good” parent for a change.
And it’s not like she is forcing me or forbidding but.. discouraging. Saying things like: You won’t be painting your room this years, forget it. Next year. And I will agree to this.
Well, this is not discouraging, this is a direct order: “you won’t do it, forget it.” I mean, I guess she can’t physically stop you from painting your room if that’s what you want, but the tone of voice is pretty commanding. Like, “no, you won’t do it. I am telling you”. I am not hearing a lot of discussion, e.g. that she is giving you her opinion on why she thinks it’s a bad idea to paint your room this year. It’s more like she is telling you not to do it, and no discussion about it.
She won’t let me use the checkout, she says she only gets to use it (because I broke something one time, I don’t ever remember correctly). I am fed up with this treatment, even though now she is nicer and better.
I totally get it. Perhaps you feel that even if she is now nicer, she is still coming from this position of superiority and that she knows better and should be making decisions for you?
If so, it might be an abusive relationship. That’s why the real question is: do you feel respected, or you feel looked down at? Does she see you as an equal, or as a child whom she sees inferior and deserving of ridicule? If there is no respect there, then it’s not a healthy relationship.
Tee
ParticipantDear Katrine,
how have you been? Has he arrived to Portugal? Did you manage to talk to him since?
I hope your visit home was a good one and that you managed to refresh a little.
Tee
ParticipantHi Tom,
Very tolerant and flexible, patient to the core.
glad to hear your wife has those good qualities too.
What I understand is this might be a phase and things would get fine with times as is the case with any couple/ family.
That’s quite possible. As the children grow up, priorities change too, and the dynamic in your family might change as well. Perhaps your wife is rather burdened at the moment and has other priorities (related to child care) instead of being on time always. But this might change later, as the circumstances change.
I think I should prepare myself to face even more difficult situations as we move forward, its always better than getting overwhelmed
Well, as the children hit puberty, parenting may get more challenging. Don’t know if that’s applicable to your situation, but yes, it’s better to expect things to be less than perfect than to be frustrated when they’re not.
Thanks you for your supportive ideas and words of encouragement.
You are very welcome, Tom. Wishing you and your family all the best!
Tee
ParticipantHey SereneWolf,
my condition is still fluctuating, so I am still looking for something to give me better relief. But not losing hope, so…
Well now she does. She just comes and sleeps on my lap or belly occasionally. She also let me pet her head when she’s in the mood otherwise my finger is like a chewing toy for her.
Good – seems she is getting more tame as the time goes by 🙂
I mean yeah I know that that’s what relationship is about sharing intimacy. So I didn’t mean only for grief, Obviously something more than that
Yeah, sure, sharing intimacy, being vulnerable, opening up when something is bothering us… it’s precious to have someone we can do that with, without being judged and ridiculed.
I feel she’s acting like one of my first LDR (Long-term) girl, She also acted like this because she doesn’t want to lose contact. I guess she still may have hope that she can change things.
Yes, I think so too. She is hoping you would come around and start really bonding with her. She is hoping she’ll melt you finally 🙂
And we did talked about it very openly and I said if we still continue like this it would be harder to move on later on. She said she is aware of this but she said she would even like this regret.
Okay, she is taking the conscious risk…
So I said it’s not wrong to create more memories together. But I did said I’m not sure so we still take things slowly… and I accept I do crave things from her that’s why I’m not able to directly say No to her.
What are you craving from her?
What you really think women get attached than men? But yeah for this case yes.
I think that women bond quicker emotionally if there is sex involved. So if you keep having sex, she’ll definitely get even more attached, while for you it’s a question, specially since you have attachment issues. But it seems she is willing to take that risk, since she is hoping you might change (or that she might change you)…
Yes, mainly work and career related things. Maybe I should use LinkedIn less. It makes me feel behind and somewhat jealous and question my abilities. In LinkedIn there are informative stuff but also lot of “Success” posting so..
Yeah, maybe it’s like Facebook – you start comparing yourself to other people and start feeling less than… so probably LinkedIn is something that triggers your inner critic and makes you feel bad about yourself. Maybe it would be better if you didn’t read those success stories, but only the information related to job openings…
Also lot of company is laying off people, so I just started to apply for different positions while ago which is also the stressful situation because even after applying for lot of job there isn’t much positive feedback yet
Are you still trying to find a completely remote job, so you can work from anywhere?
Yeah that’s like we talked before, Even though your father was aware he wasn’t able to protect you, So is my mother. And another thing I guess I didn’t told you is that my mother was worried about physical fight and something would happen to me, because if I remember only two times my father lost control and tried to physically hurt me and also hurt my mother when she tried to save me and when I saw that I didn’t showed him respect like I don’t care who you are you can’t treat us like that it would made him even more angry he be like you can’t disrespect me like that don’t raise your voice in front of me. And I would just be like this is nonsense and go to my room and not talk him for a day or two. And yet all my family (Not my siblings) is like it’s just his anger he didn’t mean any harm. I’m like I’m the kid here or is he’s the kid that he can’t even control his anger? You can bow down to his anger but I won’t. Literally even my relatives says like oh just ignore that he just have some anger tendencies… A good son shouldn’t disrespect his father. But that time only my grandma told him like what are you even doing? That’s how you treat your kids? and he did accept that it was his fault and he’s sorry. Only to my grandma not in front of me. Otherwise, his “pride” would hurt. And after that my mother knew that If anything happens again I’d disrespect him again and it would make things worse between us.
Oh I see. So he was physically aggressive once and even hit your mother when she tried to protect you. And since then your mother was afraid for both you and herself, and was trying to reason with you not to talk back and provoke him even more. She tried to calm you (the child) down, so you wouldn’t provoke him (the adult)?
It seems your father wasn’t just an emotionally bully, but also potentially a physical bully, and there was a danger of domestic violence. And so your mother did everything to prevent that violence – by basically being obedient and trying to appease him, and also trying to control you and reason with you to be more “mature” (even if you were just a child).
Your mother unfortunately didn’t dare to challenge your father and demand that he controls his anger. Maybe she feared she would attack her too? I guess what made things worse is that men’s anger and aggressive behavior were societally acceptable, since everybody was excusing your father, as if he “didn’t mean anything bad”. Your grandfather was similar in character to him, and I guess your father actually received a similar treatment from his own father, right?
It was only your grandmother (your father’s mother?) who warned him and he sort of admitted that it wasn’t the right thing to do. After that, has he tried to hit you or your mother again, or that was the only incident?
But I guess his mindset didn’t change much. He thought he can yell at you and bully you as much as he pleases, while you should stay silent and “respect” your father. That father is “god” and children shouldn’t talk back. A very toxic attitude.
And I guess you didn’t want to bow down to him, you didn’t want to show respect to him, and that’s what caused friction. And I guess that’s why you left home so early?
Yes that’s right and the minute I make a mistake I’m dumb. He be like I did this and that and some people are not even able to provide daily necessities to their kids and yet they’re performing well then what do you need?
He was extremely toxic, SereneWolf. He brutally criticized and shamed you for even the slightest mistake. No wonder you got traumatized by that. He expected you to be “grateful” for the material stuff that he was providing, while of course you couldn’t be grateful when he was putting you down so mercilessly.
Emotional support is much more important for a child than having material abundance. He gave zero emotional support. What you experienced from him was emotional abuse. (In the beginning you said you’re suffering from childhood emotional neglect. Well, this was not neglect, this was emotional abuse.)
They didn’t tell this to my face but I knew their thinking and I did like studying they never had to tell me like go and study like my siblings. They still believe I’m a “good performing” student even though my attention span and curiosity for studying is worse now
Who is “they”? Your father and grandfather?
No wonder you started having issues at school later – it could have been a consequence of the emotional abuse you’ve been experiencing at home. You were under so much pressure you couldn’t take it any more. It could have even been a way of rebelling too. Sometimes we rebel because we can’t bear to be oppressed like that. I guess one way you rebelled was to leave home, but perhaps having issues at school was another way, only subconscious?
I don’t remember what’s that term called but it’s like what you think is what you see? So I guess if I’m hearing good things about myself, I do feel good things about myself and after that I notice even more better things..
That’s great! Maybe the term you’re looking for is self-fulfilling prophecy: you expect good things, and then good things happen to you. And vice versa. In any case, I am glad that you’re more open to praise and that it helps you feel better about yourself.
Ah the feeling of satisfied with myself! Damn when will I get that?
When you heal your inner child and completely dismiss the inner critic… but you’re doing great, you’re making progress…
Yeah that drill sergeant! I do think most of the time he’s not even there he just comes up when I’m feeling down about something and I do try to listen to Good general (Uncle Iroh)
Now I do have friendly inner voice and him. Like I said before I act like I’m my own friend and try to handle the situation if I’m telling myself bad things and Uncle Iroh kinda makes it even better.
Maybe the drill sergeant shows up when you’re looking at LinkedIn and start comparing yourself with others? This voice is actually your father’s and grandfather’s voice, because they were always comparing you with others. It’s great you have Uncle Iroh as the antidote!
Just yesterday I read on a post that says “Love is not just a feeling, It is a daily choice that we make.” What does that mean? Can you elaborate if you know?
Well, one explanation could be that love is not just words (“I love you”), it’s also deeds – the things we do to show our love and appreciation every day. Okay, I’ve just looked it up, and the first thing that came up in search was an article titled “Why love is a choice you make every day.”
The article is worth reading, but basically the main point is: “It may feel easy to find love at first – your hormones are leading the way. Building love, which implies emotional intimacy, may take effort and action.”
Tee
ParticipantHi Adam,
I am glad your Monday was better, after a rough but productive weekend!
Working out and doing daily duties but still smoking only a lot less. It’s the first real day where i had a moment of feeling amazing knowing I don’t actually need her and I accepted what happened and told myself I didn’t even want to go back to her.
That’s the spirit! It’s a great attitude. I hope you can have more and more days or moments where you feel good about yourself and free from that longing and need for her.
I thought I did accept her for how she was? I understood she was a lot to handle and yes I wanted her to change how she felt about herself thinking it would make our relationship healthy. I figured what I suggested were all healthy paths for change and healing.
You did suggest healthy paths for change, however she didn’t want to take those paths or listen to your suggestions. She wanted to take her own path to healing, which wasn’t really working, but nevertheless she wanted to continue doing that. But the greater problem was that she wasn’t really functional as an adult – she would have needed some significant healing before she could become a functioning adult, with goals compatible to yours (have a job, settle down, have children).
And she didn’t want to do that healing.
Regardless of what she was claiming, the path she took – getting off her medication and letting her feelings run rampant, and then using you as a punching bag to release those emotions – is not a path of healing. It’s a path of self-delusion, with you as a collateral damage.
Your mistake was continuing to stay in that relationship, and begging her to reconcile, even if the relationship was deteriorating with each new cycle. You allowed her to use you as her punching bag and to lose yourself in the process, becoming a shell.
Please don’t think I am blaming or judging you in any way. You were very attached to her and didn’t want to lose hope, due to your own wounds and longing. That longing blinded you to the reality of what is happening: 1) that she isn’t getting any better, 2) that she refuses to take steps that might actually help her get better, and 3) that you were exposed to emotional abuse.
But now looking back, you can see how hoping that she would change eventually – even though she wasn’t doing anything to make that happen – was a form of magical thinking on your part. It was a form of self-delusion. And that’s what our inner child does – because he needs to keep hoping that he would finally get what he wants.
That was the exact reason she left work. Well the main one atleast. She didn’t want to be withdrawing or take time off while working from what she told me.
Yeah, that wasn’t a bad decision. However, what was a bad decision is that she didn’t seek professional help in that period – someone who would help her go through those emotional states. Instead, she was actually dumping everything on you and using you as a buffer and a punching bag. That was not fair to you at all.
It also seemed like she was very picky and particular with the work she wanted to do. Similar to the relationship she left her few jobs she had when I knew her very quickly over nothing too major.
This tells me that she didn’t really want to work. She had other priorities and probably could afford not to work for extended periods of time. This would be in line with what I said earlier that she probably wanted to find herself first and just “play in the sand” while not really have adult responsibilities.
When I opened up about my anxiety she usually was understanding however now I think of it whenever my anxiety was related to her she wasn’t so much. Like when she told me I should trust her and not go hold onto the past.
I guess she told you to trust in her method of “healing”? And to be patient. Even though it wasn’t giving any results and she was getting worse with time. So I guess when you complained about her mood swings, she basically silenced you, telling you to “trust the process”. And she dismissed the emotional toll it was taking on you, right?
As for not holding onto the past – what did she mean?
What your saying is making a lot of sense I felt guilty asking for my own time and it’s reassuring I was only wanting my own time to protect myself. Again it was a lose lose situation for me
Yes, you said you were blamed regardless of what you did.
What you said here – “Your entire struggle is that you are attracted to girls who are difficult to please, but whom you want to please, so you can feel good about yourself. So that you can feel worthy of love. That’s I believe”
This really hit hard for me when I first read it. I think it makes a lot of sense as to why I’d be attracted to this in my head. I do feel like I have something to prove at times.Okay, so this might be your core wound: not feeling worthy of love. And you go to great lengths to prove that you are worthy. In this relationship you even allowed her to mistreat you, hoping that if you endure it all and stick by her side, you’ll finally prove to her that you’re worthy of love.
For example at the moment I want to prove to myself that I can have a partner for 12 months. I just look forward to those anniversaries I think
I see. Because so far you’ve never had a relationship last longer than 11 months, right? And so if you make it to 12 months, that would be a sign of success? Perhaps you have the idea that if you make it to 12 months, you are a good enough partner? Otherwise, you believe you are not and that it’s your fault if the relationship ends earlier?
She was very unstable and fragile. Almost anything would set her off at times. A movie I picked, turning off a light, not giving a piggy back. These ‘little things’ are what she saw as my imperfect love and I think she just didn’t feel the love I was giving due to her mental state and past trauma.
Yes, you said she had “disgusting moods”. Those were due to her unprocessed trauma. However, she managed to convince you that it’s because of you, that you weren’t treating her well. That too is very unfair, because at least she could have been aware that her moods were because of her own issues, and were exacerbated once she stopped taking her medicine. But it seems that she didn’t want to take responsibility for her emotional reactions, or even if she did briefly (each time you’ve reconciled), she quickly returned to her business-as-usual: blaming you for her moods. That was really toxic.
And you believed her on some level: the inner child took the blame, because he was hoping that if he changed and became “perfect”, he would finally deserve her love. So your inner child took the blame and felt responsible for her moods, even if your adult part knew she was too demanding and asking too much from you.
I know I’m worthy of love but I think it’s more that I haven’t really felt it from a partner. I just feel like I’m the ‘nice guy’ sometimes who they loved but not how they want.
A part of you (the little boy in you) doesn’t know yet that he is worthy of love. That’s why you stay in abusive relationships and you try to mold yourself into a “perfect” guy, who will be worthy of love.
Yes it was about 6 months in when I started writing letters, this was when the break ups were getting worse. I think this was the fourth time. I have exactly what I wrote if you’d like to know some details. I said things like ‘change is just around the corner, these difficult times are what builds strong relationships’. I said a bunch of other things too. I really poured my heart out to her numerous times that’s what makes it hurt a bit more.
“‘change is just around the corner, these difficult times are what builds strong relationships” – this is how you were deluding yourself that she would change, that she would get over the hump eventually. Even though she was getting worse and worse, and refused to do anything that might have actually helped her.
But in those letters, I guess you didn’t dare to mention that she should change. You only expressed hope that “the relationship will change”. And the result was that you actually changed – you became more and more compliant to her requests, less and less nudging her, more and more walking on egg shells. So it was you who was abandoning yourself, in order to preserve the relationship. She hasn’t changed a bit, on the contrary she became more and more demanding, and never pleased with you.
I realise I shouldn’t have fought but I genuinely couldn’t help myself. I am a big believer on just going all the way but I can see how it may be a turn off. I just have to do certain things otherwise I will regret it. I found out the hard way though.
I hope you can now see that you fought so persistently because you wanted to believe that things will get better. Because the longing of your inner child blinded you to reality of the situation. And the reality was what I mentioned above: 1) that she wasn’t getting any better, 2) that she refused to take steps that might have helped her get better, and 3) that you were exposed to emotional abuse.
I think I did look for validation in this girl. It makes a lot of sense, I was only getting a crumbs but they made me happy at times. She really didn’t put much effort in towards the end either
Glad that you’re realizing that you were looking for validation. Again, that’s the inner child, who was willing to do anything to get that validation.
I look back and remember the feeling I had when I first met her etc and it was great. It reminds me of a high and it felt like we kept on having that after break ups. It was the cycle of abuse.
Yes, after each reconciliation you would start hoping that this time, it will finally work out. That you’ll finally get that validation and love you were longing for. That produced the “high”. But then the abuse quickly returned, because she hasn’t changed one bit and only became more demanding.
Speaking on when we first met I remember it was so spontaneous, no planned dates we just hung out and instantly hit it off, there was obviously chemistry and attraction. I think I was chasing that feeling of love especially here by chasing a carefree girl.
Isn’t it ironic that you got hooked by her being a carefree girl? Only to turn out later that she is anything but carefree.
It’s almost like a part of you (perhaps your adult self) wants to have an easy-going girl, who is easy to please and doesn’t need much to be happy. But another part of you (your inner child) is attracted to girls with anxiety and other mental health issues, who per definition are difficult to please.
I remember how much more effort she put in and how much happier she seemed when working and on medication.
Yeah, I can imagine that she was much more stable and didn’t have those extreme emotional reactions. But I guess there were some side-effects of antidepressants that she didn’t like (perhaps feeling “dull”?), and she wanted to feel more alive, more herself. However, she didn’t go well about it. Her DIY “healing” only made her feel worse.
So until I have healed the core wound a relationship isn’t a good idea?
I think so. If you don’t heal the core wound, it’s likely that you’d end up in a similar situation.
Does that mean this wasn’t a good idea in the first place for me? I felt she was the main issue in the relationship was I a cause of the problems too then?
Well, this wasn’t a healthy relationship, but it was a lesson. And a wake-up call I guess to look deeper into yourself and heal that attraction to difficult girls. You yourself didn’t make the relationship worse, your only mistake was that you stayed for too long.
I will speak to my psych about my need to prove that I’m worthy of love.
Good, you do that! Let me know what she said…
Thanks again Tee I’d also love to get to the root of the problem
You’re welcome! I hope you’re seeing it more and more, and with time, you’ll be able to heal it too. I am rooting for you!
Tee
ParticipantYou are welcome, Sammie. Thank you for your good wishes and Godspeed to you too!
I will be happy to hear from you some time in the future. Have a great adventure! 🙂
Tee
ParticipantYou’re welcome, Caroline! I am glad it helped you see your situation more clearly and have more confidence.
Wishing you luck this weekend, and looking forward to your post!
Tee
ParticipantDear Caroline,
I think what you’re going through is normal. On one hand, you feel angry that people don’t respect you and sometimes even bully you, and that you haven’t done much about it so far:
I feel really depressed knowing how many people treated me like this. I am afraid no one would ever respect me because people know they can bully me.
It got so heavy suddenly when I realized how much I listen to other people, how they impact my decisions, my life. Things I buy, I eat etc. It’s so easy for people to manipulate me.
So you feel angry both at yourself and at other people, right?
At the same time, you fear standing up for yourself. You fear confrontation:
The worst is.. I am afraid of confrontation. I am scared of talking about this. Me? Standing up for myself?
And you are judging yourself for it:
So….pathetic.
So you fear confrontation, and you judge yourself for it at the same time. You believe you are weak, right?
I think the first thing is to just be aware of the mix of emotions you’re feeling at the moment: anger at others, anger at yourself, fear to stand up for yourself, and judgment of yourself for being “weak.”
It’s all natural. The first thing you can do to help yourself is to feel compassion for yourself. Feel compassion for your weak and scared part (your inner child), don’t judge yourself.
There is a reason why you are scared – because you’ve never stood up for yourself before and you’ve learned from your mother that one shouldn’t either. Your mother both shamed you and gave you a bad example of how to deal with other people’s bullying and disrespect: to just “suck it up”. To become small and invisible. To contract into yourself. To not provoke anybody. To not contradict. To not stand up for yourself.
So that’s the pattern you are battling with. It’s not your fault that you have it – you’ve learned it and adopted it in your childhood. So try to have compassion for yourself and for your child part who was taught to stay silent.
In short, don’t judge yourself for being where you are. You’ve got to start somewhere. Slowly but surely, you’ll start turning around that pattern. One small victory at a time.
As for the anger, it’s good to feel the healthy anger towards people who were/are bullying you. That helps us do something about it and set boundaries.
As for your girlfriend’s treatment of you, perhaps you’ve got into this dynamic where you are indecisive and often ask for her opinion, and then she starts treating you like a child and patronizing you:
I realized she tells me to do or not to do things all the time, and the reason might be that I ask her about everything. While we are shopping I ask her “should we buy this” “maybe I will buy this” and she almost always says “No, don’t”. “You can’t afford it” “Why do you need this” and it’s always on grocery shopping that she cares about spending too much money (my money buying my things – and I have my own money). When it comes to buying cds online or expensive things for herself she doesn’t have that much problem. I really must stop asking her, I have to just take things I want, with no asking, no waiting for reassurance. Maybe I am the problem that I lack confidence and I ask her everything. So she became so bossy because I have no opinion of my own.
Yes, it’s possible that you are insecure and she feels like a parent to you. But also, she might be projecting stuff on you, like you said, due to her issues with her mother:
I think maybe it’s the pattern at her home: her mother doesn’t work and she spends too much, she buys things she doesn’t need for kitchen, plates, glasses, clocks, all kinds of necessary things and she pays for this from her husband’s money. And I noticed while we were visiting them that he sometimes jokes about her, it’s very similar. So it’s like this: she spends a lot of money for stupid things and he jokes about her, sometimes it’s rude.
I can imagine this can be an issue for your girlfriend: she has a mother who is a compulsive buyer (basically a shopping addict), and whom she is trying to prevent from over-spending. It’s very likely that her trying to prevent unnecessary buying became a reflex for her, and she’s doing it to you too, even if you’re not the same as her mother.
Over time, as you get more confident about your purchasing decisions, you’ll probably be asking your girlfriend less for “approval” of what you should buy. And if she tries to stop you, you can tell her that you understand her concerns, but that you’re not her mother and are not a shopping addict. And that you’d prefer if she wouldn’t try to prevent every purchase of yours.
So my girlfriend kind of projects this on me, I think. I once asked her why she is so mean while grocery shopping and she once told me she used to shop with her mother and she would go around the shop for hours choosing stupid and unnecessary things to buy.
There you go: she is very likely projecting on you. And she is even aware of it. So next time you go grocery shopping, you can remind her of that, and ask her to please not try to stop you from buying the things you need and like.
We rarely talk about this. I think it got worse when she lost her dog and did not process those emotions. She yells at the cat and it’s for no reason, it’s stupid really. I know it’s because of the dog. And the new job perhaps, she gets angry, anxious, I think this job stresses her out but also gave her confidence that she earns money and works in this environment, she became more presumptuous.
Okay, so as you become more confident in standing up for yourself in small things, you can also start talking about emotions with her. In particular about her anger that she is so freely dumping on you. You can say that you notice she has angry outbursts both at you and the cat, and that you don’t appreciate being at the receiving end of her anger. You can say that you’re willing to talk to her about what’s bothering her, but that you’d appreciate a more loving communication on her part.
You don’t need to say all that at once – like bring up all the issues at the same time. But you can start setting a boundary here and there, e.g. not let her anger escalate but say that you don’t feel comfortable being at the receiving end of it, and that you’d appreciate if she would calm down a bit.
And then you’ll see how she reacts to those remarks – whether she is open to self-correcting or she starts deflecting and blaming you.
I texted her yesterday, she asked why I am so sad. I said about this name calling and being rude. She said she was sorry and that I should have told her because she didn’t know. So she obviously doesn’t remember I already told her this once. Not sure if she said sorry about this pet name only or overall being rude. We are going to meet today, I’ll see how that goes.
It’s a good sign if she apologized at least for something. She might be taking you for granted, because that’s what some people in long-term relationships do. And since you haven’t really said anything when she was rude to you, it kind of spiraled out of control. Maybe she is not a mean person, but her anger got the best of her. Well now, she has a chance to self-correct. I hope she will be open to change and to listening to you.
I am rooting for you, Caroline! You can do it. Remember: you deserve to be treated with love and respect. Therefore, it’s okay to stand up for yourself, even if it’s uncomfortable at first.
Tee
ParticipantHi Adam,
I think I got this idea from a friend. He supported me through these break ups and he had issues in the past with his now fiancé and he told me its hard work and no relationship is perfect.
Yes, that’s true. But there should be one basic precondition, which is that you accept your partner as they are (and vice versa). If you want your partner to change in significant ways, that’s never healthy. Your ex is someone who needs to do a lot of healing. She is not ready for a healthy relationship. You wanted to help her change and heal. That’s never a good starting point.
And if you are attracted to girls who are “damaged goods”, i.e. need to do some major healing in order to become functional, that’s almost a recipe for disaster. Because you’ll inevitably end up in this dynamic of wanting to change them, and they not wanting it, or wanting it but differently, and feeling not accepted by you.
And then all this friction starts building, as well as resentment towards each other. And you lose yourself in it, because you want to keep the girl by all means, no matter how dysfunctional she is, and you end up being bullied and suffering.
So you’re setting yourself up for failure if you’re attracted to dysfunctional girls. It’s almost like a self-fulfilling prophecy. It can’t end well.
It’s funny you mention I made a vow because that’s genuinely what I did. After each break up I would say to myself something along the line of ‘if this girl takes me back then she’s the one, I have to do everything right’. I said that with my ex before this as well. I know I wasn’t the actual cause of this break up but I think I was a bit of the cause in previous relationships and I think thats where this vow developed as well.
Right, you didn’t give your best in your previous relationships, and when you tried to mend things later, if was already too late. And so you vowed to give your best in this one, to not mess it up.
You’re right at the end of the day regardless of what she was going through I was abused. A professional psychiatrist told me ‘this is clearly abuse and your relationship was a cycle of abuse’. It’s a hard pill to swallow.
Yeah, it sounds pretty bad. If abuse is too strong of a word, you can think of it as mistreatment. She treated you badly. But the fact is that a lot of her behavior was emotionally abusive. Even if she wasn’t doing it on purpose, that was the net effect on you.
After break ups I modified a lot of different things. I changed smoking, tried to be at her place more, do what she was wanting to do, tried being proactive with dates etc. but in the end she didnt modify anything. The only thing that changed for her was she left work, started changing medications and started studying at the very end. None of these benefit her mental health for a start.
Why did she leave work btw? Is it because she decided to get off her medication, and she feared she wouldn’t be able to work in such a fragile state?
The cycle of abuse as exactly what our relationship was but I don’t want to believe it. We would be so amazing for a couple months then something would happen and shed leave then we would reconcile. However towards the end it felt like nearly every week she was bringing something new or old up as a way to criticize me for not being present and being there for her.
Well, she was emotionally abusive because of her mental health issues. She was blaming you for everything and not taking responsibility for her actions. Or even if she apologized sometimes, that was short-lived and she continued with her complaints.
So I do suffer from low self-esteem? Because that’s exactly what happens, I start second guessing myself and that’s not what I should be doing in a relationship. I feel like she was making me question my sanity at times by the things she said. I will never forget when she said ‘what is actually wrong with you’.
Yes, I think you suffer from low self-esteem. The typical thought (which is often subconscious) of people with low self-esteem is “there is something terribly wrong with me”. That’s the main false belief of people with low self-esteem. When she told you “what’s wrong with you??”, it’s like she confirmed this false belief that you have about yourself. And it probably hurt like hell.
I straight away apologized and said I’m sorry I should open up about my anxiety more to you.
And when you opened up about your anxiety, did she have more understanding?
All her bad behavior and insecurities made me question myself as a partner.
Yes, her criticism and complaints and telling you things like “what’s wrong with you” all contributed to you feeling bad about yourself, feeling inadequate.
In reality I was a fantastic partner and she was toxic and manipulative, but again I don’t want to accept that for some reason.
Look, no one is perfect. So I guess you weren’t perfect either. But she was toxic, I do believe that. Because whenever someone doesn’t want to take responsibility for their actions but blames the other person, that’s toxic in my book.
I’m glad you reassured me that I withdrew naturally because I wasn’t sure if I was purposefully doing it. There were times like when I asked for a night to myself. However we know what happened after I asked for that, so it stopped. She was trying to control me and punish me for not being her ‘ideal partner’ in the moment.
Of course you wanted time for yourself – because she was frequently criticizing you. You wanted to protect yourself from that. But then she would criticize you for not spending all of your time with her – so you felt guilty and gave in. And that’s how you slowly became a shell of a person – because she dominated you completely, you didn’t dare to do or say anything that would upset her.
I can’t bear the thought of her being critical of me because it was unwarranted in my eyes. She had no reason to say the things she did. I do believe I am a good person and partner but there is always things I can improve on as well.
Well, I think that a part of you (your inner child) actually believed her when she said you are a bad partner. If you truly believed you were a good partner, you wouldn’t have the need to prove it to her. You wouldn’t need her to validate you.
Your entire struggle is that you are attracted to girls who are difficult to please, but whom you want to please, so you can feel good about yourself. So that you can feel worthy of love. That’s what I believe.
In past relationships I have had the thought of something is wrong with me. Although this time after the break up I haven’t at all really. In reality something is wrong with her but I never told her that. Maybe saying something is wrong with her isn’t the right word, but she was traumatized and was on major anti depressants, anti psychotics at 17, she was taking valium to try self medicate as well at times. She had a lot of issues and didn’t want to face the music.
Yes, she has major mental health issues, which make her very difficult to function in a relationship. So you might say that something was/is wrong with her.
It does feel like so many things I have done would please others. Everyone I have told has reassured me I did everything and I have nothing to prove to her. My inner child still wants to reach out and see how she is and if she has moved on or feeling how I am etc.
You want to know whether she still cares. Because if she cares, it will mean you are lovable. If she doesn’t care, it will mean you’re not worthy enough. I think your sense of worth or lovability is depended on her. That’s the inner child wound.
I do resonate with being attracted to sensitive and fragile girls. I want to shelter them from the world. I think it’s more that I want to prove to them that I can be that support and I can help them help themselves. I have always been intrigued by women with a ‘damaged side’ lets call it. Somethings about it draws me in
Yes, and you explained in your previous post why you are drawn to such girls. You said: “I wanted to help my ex through all her issues so when she came out the other side she would see I am still there despite all the crap we went through. I’ll admit I wanted to be the one to help so she could look back and see how I was always there and in turn be able to love me even more.”
I’ll repeat once again what I said in my previous post: I believe you are attracted to fragile and sensitive girls because you believe that by helping them you will prove that you are good enough and that you deserve love. You will prove that you are worthy of love. That you are lovable.
I feel this is your core wound: not feeling lovable. Not feeling worthy of love.
I find it commendable to stick with someone through their issues. I genuinely believed that’s what creates those unbreakable bonds, I told her this in a letter when we broke up about 6 months ago. I told her things would change because I believe change is inevitable. Little did I know it wasn’t me that needed to make many adjustments but rather my ex.
So 6 months ago, after one of the breakups, you told her in a letter that you would change, that you would make adjustments?
What would a healthy motivation be to stick with your partner through thick and thin?
I guess if the relationship is healthy to begin with. Which means if both partners are dedicated to each other and to self-improvement. If one is denying responsibility for their actions and always blaming the other, that’s not healthy. If you need to lose yourself stay in the relationship – that’s not healthy either.
Thick and thin are often the outer circumstances – tough times such as loss of job, severe illness by one partner, car accident, financial crisis, losing one’s home, miscarriage or another trauma. In other words, often it’s the outer crisis which tests the couple’s bond. Sometimes it is the inner crisis, such as midlife crisis, which can either bring the partners closer together, or can lead to distancing and separation.
But what I am trying to say is that if one partner is dysfunctional and unable for a healthy relationship, it’s not a good relationship to fight for.
I really still believe she was very close to being right for me, I still don’t know if I did pick her due to my unmet emotional needs. The psych told me I may not have been as spontaneous or playful as her. But I was still childish and a joker and I have always been this way with other partners too. What do you think I am looking for in a partner when you talk about my unmet emotional needs?
I think you look for validation. You want to prove to them that you are worthy of love.
I think that’s your core wound and the main magnet that draws you to sensitive and needy girls. Because you believe that by helping them overcome their problems, and staying by their side, you’ll prove how good of a person you are. That’s what I think.
I don’t think differences in character, such as playfulness, play a major part, because you said yourself that you too can be playful and goofy. You’re not some rigid guy with no sense of humor. You may be less spontaneous and more organized than she is, but spontaneity is not the main attraction point for you, I believe. Rather, it’s the “brokenness”, which you believe you can help fix.
It does feel like I get dragged into that feeling of fulfillment very quick. I like to be exclusive with people straight away basically and I think that’s to do with me being a jealous person. I always ask partners early on if we are exclusive and they all say the same thing ‘I don’t have time for anyone else but you’. It makes me feel special and wanted, fulfilled. Then soon enough we end up in a relationship.
This part is actually quite normal – that you want to be exclusive. We all want to feel special. And also, being exclusive is a guarantee that the girl wants a committed relationship. Because you don’t want something casual. You want her to be dedicated to you.
Your idea that it’s a craving feels so real to me. It genuinely feels like a high I want in my life, already I am so keen to get into a relationship or something exclusive but I know it’s not a good idea. Not until I am actually over my ex at least.
Yeah, you said that without a relationship, you feel dull and bored. In a relationship, your hopes, dreams and longings awaken. Your inner child starts hoping that he will find the perfect love. Not only that he will feel loved, but also lovable. Which means worthy of love. That’s the high he is chasing for.
And I agree, it would be a bad idea to get into another relationship at this point – before you heal that core wound. Because you would end up in a similar situation.
I am glad I am making progress because it does feel like it, only slow progress. But progress is progress! I don’t want to manifest it but I think I have a slow recovery ahead of me.
Yes, you are making progress. It doesn’t matter if it’s slow. These things take time to heal.
Okay it good to hear I was just escaping the lows and avoiding more criticism.
Yes, it’s hard to be around someone who is constantly criticizing you. Constant criticism and blame is emotional abuse too.
I would always wake up and regret not seeing her the next day because I know she would continue to criticize me even then. So a lot of the time my thought was ‘either I go tonight when I don’t want to but tomorrow I will avoid a fight/criticism or I don’t go and tomorrow I am the cause of another argument, another negative she pick at’. This was my thought process for most of this year and it isn’t healthy when I look at it that way. It just seems like a lose-lose situation for me.
Yes, it definitely seems like a lose-lose situation: no good options for you. You’d be criticized no matter what you do.
It would frustrate me so much just knowing each night after work I could be looking at an argument. The alternative was come over to my place but she always had a ‘valid excuse’ to want to stay at home. My excuse of working until 4pm then cleaning, cooking, walking and feeding the dog, making lunches etc. were never an excuse. She actually use to say to me I didn’t have an excuse not to be there for her at times when I genuinely had good reasons.
Yeah, this all seems very egocentric and trying to control you. You needed to do as she pleases, even if objectively you were the one with a job and more responsibilities than her. But she didn’t care about your needs, only about her own.
Okay if she reaches out I will keep it first person. My psych told me not to mention therapy etc. but to say that we both have things we need to do before we reconnect. You think its better to keep first person.
To be honest, if she reaches out any time soon, it would be a disaster if you reconnect, because nothing really changed. She certainly hasn’t done any healing, and you too are only starting to realize what might be the problem and why you might be picking wrong girls. You still need to work on yourself a lot.
That’s why I thought the best would be to give her a polite rejection. Basically, telling her that you need to work on yourself (which is true), but not telling her what she should do, because at this point what really matters is that you work on yourself.
I don’t see it as an assumption really. I see this relationship still as fixable but she needs to do certain things and I believe it is mainly therapy and work.
Yes, but it’s not only she who’d need to change. If you want to have a healthy and fulfilling relationship in the future, you’d need to heal your own wounds. The sense of unworthiness, which I believe is driving your attraction to needy girls. So I’d focus on myself, because that’s the only thing you can control.
I always have reached out to my exes 2-3 months later for some reason just to check in. Would you say this is unwise with this ex? or all in that case?
I would definitely stay away from this ex. She had a destructive impact on you. I’d work hard on my own healing, on healing the obsession you feel about her. That’s why no contact would be super important if you want to heal.
You made a lot of sense today Tee! I appreciate you a lot, you’ve honestly been such a big support for me.
You are most welcome, Adam!
My friends are starting to get over it. They have my best interest at heart because I know they don’t want me going back or getting hurt again in the future. They are supportive overall in say this.
I am glad you have such supportive friends!
I hope I’m not overwhelming you with all this drama. I do want to find this core problem. From what I’ve gathered it’s to do with me finding a sense of worth within a partner? or proving im worthy of love? Is that what your leaning towards?
The latter: your need to prove that you’re worthy of love.
And no, you’re not overwhelming me. I am happy if I can help you get to the root of the problem.
Tee
ParticipantDear Sammie,
you are most welcome!
It helped to know that he does not empathise and has no empathy. It’s funny because I remember now he has said before he lacks empathy and that his previous girlfriends have said he is insensitive. I mustn’t have thought much about it at the time because he was being so nice and the opposite with me.
Yeah, he was probably love-bombing you at that time, being sweet and charming. No wonder you didn’t suspect anything…
This has really helped. Yes, I shall rise above. This is time for me now. Time for new adventures and genuine connections.
I am happy to hear this! I hear the strength and determination in you. Yes, you’ve got this! The time has come…
So I meant he can’t get an ego boost because he is unable to put me down anymore
Great! You wouldn’t allow him to put you down, you would know how to stand up for yourself.
I don’t think he would risk the rejection. Also, given the state he left me in and some of his self awareness of being a bad guy (he is self deprecating sometimes) I would hope that he would know better and think “I’ve hurt her enough, I’m going to stay away” even if he did have the urge to reach out.
While I do believe he is a covert narcissist, he acknowledged he needed professional help which suggests some amount of self awareness. With this in mind, I feel I won’t hear from him again.
Yes, it’s possible that he has some awareness about how his behavior around your miscarriage was inexcusable. It also might be that your pregnancy came as a shock to him, him being “passionately against children”, and he doesn’t want to risk another such situation in his life. I don’t know. But you’re right, he might not be trying to contact you again.
This has helped greatly too. Thank you for helping me reframe my thoughts in this way. I will have more compassion for me.
Excellent! I am glad this reframing helped you realize you need to have compassion for yourself first.
So, for a happy end to the story: a met with a friend this week and we went climbing. I’ve not done this before and I had a great time.
I am so glad about your happy ending: the end of a sad story, and the beginning of a great new adventure! Yes, being alone for the first time in 21 years is a big deal. But you need this quality time with yourself, to discover yourself, to pamper yourself, to be nice to yourself.
I am rooting for you, Sammie. If you’d like to, you can check in from time to time and let us know how you’re doing.
I wish you all the best, and post anytime!
June 2, 2023 at 9:01 am in reply to: Understanding someone who's recently divorced and not ready #419575Tee
ParticipantDear Dafne,
I am feeling slightly better, but my healing is very slow and will take time. But I hope I will heal eventually, even if it takes a long time.
The priest did not encourage chasing him but he told me that everything is possible. I told him about his bad behaviour and the sex bit too as it gave him more clarity. The priest said that this man is not himself and may even behave irrationally or promiscuous. Sometimes it is a part of his grieving process and sometimes his heart will never heal. He might be a good man but in a bad place in his life now.
Normally he doesn’t approve women to go after divorced men as they are still healing, having feelings to their ex or in the worst case not divorced at all (only legally separated).
This is a valid point. If the guy is “not himself” and behaving irrationally and promiscuously, would you want to be with him? If he is a good guy (in theory) and his heart will eventually heal, then you better wait till he heals and shows you he is a good guy. Because right now, he behaves very selfishly: he only wants to use you for sex, he doesn’t want to go on dates and get to know you, and his attitude is humiliating (e.g. he has expectations that you should please him sexually and that’s the only thing he talks about).
You should take the guy as he is, not as you want him to be. His behavior right now is pretty abhorrent. That’s the only thing that matters. All the rest is blind hope and wishful thinking.
In my case, he thinks it is too late for us because I told him what I want. At the beginning I should not reveal that I am looking for something serious (dates, affection, feelings etc.). This scares away most men (especially after divorce). He would come back to me at some point and ask me out himself. So he believes it is more about the male psychology.
I don’t agree with him on this one. Is expecting to go on a date with a guy before jumping into bed with him too much to expect? Is it too serious? Too much of a burden for the guy?
Well, that’s not male psychology in general, but how chauvinist males think.
He would come back to me at some point and ask me out himself
He still can, if he decides he wants a normal relationship, not your sexual services. You don’t want him as he is now. If he changes some day and heals (presuming he is “not himself” at the moment), he has your number.
I also might have pushed him away by the constant demands to go out with him. Maybe I should have let him go after the 1 date and wait for him to contact me first. It seems like men want what they can’t have.
He realized he can’t have what he wants (sex without a relationship), that’s why he didn’t reach out. Even if you haven’t messaged him, he wouldn’t have reached out, because he realized you’re not going to give him what he wants.
There is only one way he would be interested in you: if you agreed to have sex with him. No other “tricks” would have made him interested.
Tee
ParticipantDear Caroline,
I feel really depressed knowing how many people treated me like this. I am afraid no one would ever respect me because people know they can bully me.
I hope she will stop bullying me but I am afraid she kind of.. got used to it already. As I mentioned she apologized and then she continued doing the same. I think she doesn’t really notice it anymore, it’s how she communicates with me.
Maybe people got used to bullying you, but as you start setting boundaries, they will learn to treat you differently. Those who don’t want to treat you with respect aren’t worthy to stay in your life anyway. You can definitely change your attitude and stop being a doormat and a people pleaser. You are allowed to change and stand up for yourself.
He dog died over a year ago and she also started to listen to very aggressive heavy metal music. She has changed a lot. I heard she screams at the cat, for no reason, calling him names. Just because he is sitting somewhere etc. She got really weird. I didn’t realize until recently that I am one of her doormats too.
It does seem she changed and became more angry around a year ago. Is that when she found a new job? Do you ever talk with her about her emotions, about what’s happening at her job etc?
She spends a lot on her own cds, movies, music devices etc. Really a lot. She bought 3 expensive concert tickets but says we cannot afford vacation. And then she jokes about me buying sushi like I am a high maintenance.
It does seem like a double standard. She is spending money on herself as she pleases, and at the same time telling you you need to save and that ordering sushi is extravagant. That seems rather selfish. I mean, even if she is just joking about sushi, it does seem she has different standards for you and for herself, when it comes to spending money.
And also, when she says you are “high maintenance” – is she implying that she is supporting you financially? As if you don’t have your own money…
Tee
ParticipantDear Caroline,
I feel really anxious and depressed.I could not sleep at night. I hate this life. Sorry if this is too much. I coped with so many similar situations already and seems like I have no one. No one who respects me anymore.
I am sorry this feels so heavy on you suddenly. I guess you really don’t want to tolerate disrespect and abuse any more, which you have been doing for much of your life. You want to do something about it, but at the same time, it feels overwhelming. I totally get it.
You are so worthy of love and respect, Caroline, it’s just that you might have surrounded yourself with people who don’t respect you enough, or you have tolerated their poor treatment, and it kind of got out of hand.
You have followed the same old pattern from your childhood. I think it’s called learned helplessness – you believe you’re helpless in face of people treating you badly. You feel paralyzed to do anything. You feel like a victim. That’s your inner child who is scared. But you have the adult part who is strong and capable, and can protect both yourself and your inner child.
So now it’s time to activate that adult part. However, you don’t need to do everything at once. You don’t need to tell your girlfriend everything that bothers you about her, and end up breaking up with her. You don’t need to cut off relationships with people all of a sudden.
You can express one little thing for starters, e.g. that you prefer not to be called a certain name. Or when your girlfriend tells you you are high maintenance for ordering sushi, you just laugh at it and order it anyway.
So start with something small, start setting boundaries in small things. And then see how people react to it. Does this seem doable?
Tee
ParticipantDear Caroline,
you are welcome!
I will talk to her.
Good, you do that!
I realized many things in which she disrespected me and how she changed recently. How much anger she has in herself. I sometimes think I do not want to spend time with her because I don’t like it.
Sure, you don’t need to be her punching bag, or her doormat. If she is angry about something, she shouldn’t take it out on you. I mean, you can encourage her to talk about her problems, if she wants to, but you don’t need to tolerate if she is taking her anger out on you.
She does this often – I like something or want something like new furniture or new tv, or just order sushi – she always says “Why do you need it?”, “No, stop it”, “don’t”, and I …. stop it. I listen to her. I never realized that how often I do this.
This sounds like trying to control you. Maybe she has some fear about money, or perhaps believes she doesn’t deserve better things. And then she is projecting it at you and trying to stop you from getting yourself better, nicer things. You don’t need to allow that either. If you have your own money and your own apartment, you should be able to decide if you want new furniture, not to mention if you want sushi or not.
That’s true. I am and I can. I hope I can do this.
Yes, you can do it, I know it from our previous discussions. You dealt with that bully “friend” of yours pretty successfully too. You are strong enough, Caroline!
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