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  • in reply to: My depressed girlfriend left me #419485
    Tee
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    Hi Adam,

    Your summary about it was good. It really felt that way, like if I say or do anything to unsettle her a bit then I wasn’t being a good partner to her.

    Okay, so I’ll repeat her stance: “I don’t need you to tell me how to live my life. Just do what I ask of you and don’t complain.”

    That’s a pretty selfish attitude, don’t you think? She didn’t care about how you felt, she was only interested in her own needs. And if you asked anything for yourself, or tried to point out at some things, she accused you of being selfish and condescending. You had no say in that relationship. And by the end, you said you lost yourself completely. You became a shell, in order to please her.

    I won’t go into too much but I went to prison a few years ago when I was about 21-22. It wasn’t for long but it wasn’t fun either. When people go on about ‘what I’ve been through’ I think this is what they mean.

    Oh I am sorry about that. That is a big trauma. And it might have impacted you in some ways, even if you don’t think about it any more.

    May I ask: was she the first relationship after you got out of prison? Because it may contribute to the strong attachment that you feel towards her…

    I think I believed a lot about what she said. After our last fight I went outside to get some fresh air and I remember crying telling myself I’m a shit boyfriend and I should be doing better. She made me feel inadequate.

    Okay, so you did believe that you were selfish and not good enough. She made you feel inadequate and you believed it. You are now starting to realize that those might have been unjust accusations, but there is still a part of you that believes they are true:

    I think I’m realizing now it was unjust accusations however I still feel like I lack in some departments from being told I am so often,

    A part of you still believes you are a bad person, and that this is the reason she rejected you:

    You’re right I do feel rejected as a person not just a partner. The fact that I couldn’t even get broken up with in person after nearly a year is difficult.

    Another part of you – the rational part – knows you deserve better, and that you were abused in that relationship:

    I know what I deserve though and it’s a lot better than what I got. I need to treat myself with that love though because I never really got it from her.

    Yes, you would need to treat yourself with love. You still seem to want  to get that love and validation from her. Because a part of you believes you are unlovable, you’re not good enough, you are a bad person.

    This wounded part – who believes you are unlovable and not good enough – is your inner child. I don’t know how and when it developed (whether in childhood or later), but it is still driving you. And I think it’s the reason behind your strong longing for her.

    Because it could be that you see her as some sort of authority who should validate you and tell you that you’re a good and lovable person. That you’re worthy. That’s the feeling I get. And that’s why you can’t let her go, even if you’ve suffered so much in that relationship.

    Our inner child (which is our emotional, wounded part) is incredibly strong. You can’t overwrite its desire and longing with reason. It can also give us that destined feeling, that you’re talking about.

    If I am right, then nothing will help you let go, until you get in touch with that wounded part and give it the love and appreciation it craves. Until you give yourself love. You, the adult Adam, should be a good, loving parent for your inner child.

    What do you think?

     

    in reply to: Diplomcay, is it for all? #419483
    Tee
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    Hi Tom,

    you are welcome, glad it helped.

    No second thoughts on this, absolutely spot on.

    Happy to hear that your spouse is a “good, honest person, with a kind heart.”

    I would consider my family very supportive in giving me my own space, I do not see that very common especially when you have little kids. I am fortunate to have enough time for the things that I love doing.

    What I am also hearing is that she is supportive in giving you your own space. She also respects your need to have time for your own hobbies. All this is telling me that she is supportive (at least in some aspects), tolerant and flexible. Would you agree?

    You said you may have a problem seeing the good in your spouse (I might not be seeing the good in them). I hope that you can now see the good qualities that your wife possesses: good-hearted, supportive, tolerant and flexible.

    You also said you want your children to be imbibed with the qualities you find important and that you yourself possess: punctuality, order and organization (I also want to be a role model to my kids and imbibe the necessary values and principles that I follow).

    I think that besides the qualities you cherish, your children should adopt some of the qualities your wife possesses too. Because both set of qualities are important.

    So perhaps if you start appreciating your wife for her qualities, it will not only bring you closer to her, but will also help your children adopt those good qualities that she possesses.

    I hope this helps. Wishing you all the best! Let us know how it went, if you choose to have that conversation with your wife…

     

    in reply to: My depressed girlfriend left me #419474
    Tee
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    Hi Adam,

    you’re very welcome!

    I think what I wanted for her was the same however the way I thought she should go about it was far different from the way she wanted to.

    Yeah, possibly. You both wanted her to heal. But you had different ideas of how to go about it. You said you did respect her attempt to wean off medication on her own and get over the “hump”. However, it wasn’t getting better at all, it was getting worse. So the hump wasn’t a hump, it became a permanent state of dysregulation and suffering. But she refused to try anything else…

    Maybe to her I was someone who was getting in the way of how she wanted to heal. She did say she didn’t ‘need me’.

    Well, I think she did need you in that protector role. She needed you to be on standby 24/7 and meet all her needs. But she also didn’t want you to have any demands or expectations on her. So perhaps her stance could be summarized as: “I don’t need you to tell me how to live my life. Just do what I ask of you and don’t complain.”

    I may suffer from a low self esteem. My mother, best friend and even my ex all said I am too hard on myself and I should be proud of my achievements and where I’m at after everything I’ve been through

    What is it that you have been through, if I may ask? Has there been a trauma that you went through?

    I know I am hard on myself, I’m the first person to always admit fault and judge myself. I feel like I can’t switch it off at times but deep down I do love me.

    Yes, you did say that all of your exes judged you. And because you’re quick to judge yourself too, you might have actually believed what your ex told you (that you’re not giving her enough attention, that you’re insensitive etc). I wonder how much you recognized her words as unjust accusations and how much you actually believed what she said?

    I think at the moment my self esteem is low and I’m depressed but in general I’m not. I am confident and comfortable in my own skin, I always told my ex this and I wanted her to have that feeling.

    There is a difference between self-confidence and self-esteem. Self-esteem is deeper: it’s a sense that you are worthy just because you exist. You don’t need to do anything to “earn” your worth. You are worthy just by being born.

    Self-confidence is when you feel good about yourself because of some skill, talent or outer achievement. You are confident that you can sing, for example, because you are a talented singer. Some people have self-confidence, but they don’t have self-esteem. Because they believe that unless they perform well enough or have certain achievements, they aren’t worthy enough.

    So I wonder if perhaps you do have self-confidence, because of your success in some parts of your life? (such as your career). But still, that you may lack a deeper sense of worth – a sense that you are worthy just because you exist? And that you don’t need to do anything to prove your worth?

    Because I remember after the last breakup (in March) you told me you felt bad not just because she left you as her boyfriend, but that you felt bad as a person, because she refused your help. If you felt rejected as a person, this tells me that you do have problems with feeling worthy, which would indicate low self-esteem.

    The relationship was unsatisfactory however I can’t help but beautify it even after everything that has happened.

    I feel as though I don’t actually understand that this is a hopeless situation for me.

    The urge to reach out is still there as well.

    This is just an assumption, so please don’t take my word for it. But what if your main hope is to prove your worth to her? Maybe you still hope that you can prove to her that you are a good person, and not a selfish and insensitive guy she might have accused you of? If that’s what motivates you, then it would make sense that you don’t want to give up and want to prove that you’re a good person, i.e. to prove your own worth.

     

    in reply to: Does he like me? #419465
    Tee
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    That’s great that you managed to keep calm and not attack him, but just say that you miss him. Well done, Katrine!

    Keep walking and burning that stress whenever you can… yeah the summer arrived, so that helps a lot!

     

    in reply to: Does he like me? #419461
    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Katrine,

    oh… sorry to hear that 🙁 I don’t think he is lying though. But it is tough on you, I totally understand. Because something always gets in the way.

    Do you know when he is arriving to Portugal? I am sure that then you should be able to talk more regularly. And clarify what he actually feels about you and how to proceed.

    In the meanwhile, try to reduce your anxiety, e.g. by doing some exercise, going for a brisk walk, or perhaps a jog. I think moving  your body and burning that extra stress might help you calm down and feel better.

    in reply to: Broken After Being Left (he disappeared) #419459
    Tee
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    Dear Sammie,

    you are most welcome!

    Tee, with the denial of pregnancy, I was terrified of telling him. I thought he would leave immediately. I’ve never been as stressed as I was with him

    Hm, it seems you felt guilty for getting pregnant accidentally, and because you knew he was strongly against children, you felt you “messed up” and he’ll be angry at you and leave? Did he have anger issues, btw? Because you said: He was the one that was always difficult. He was hard work. I was scared of him.

    What you described as him pushing you with full force disregarding your size, or pushing you against the fridge and holding you there, not letting you move – that’s physical abuse, if you ask me. Or at least using physical force to intimidate you. You called it degrading, but I think it’s much more than degrading. Words can be degrading, but this was physically threatening. No wonder you didn’t like it.

    Have you told him you didn’t like it or you stayed silent?

    I was afraid he wouldn’t be there for me and he proved me to be correct when he disappeared when I was in hospital. There were complications which made me very unwell. I was in hospital while he was in Thailand.

    I am so sorry, Sammie. That’s really horrible. You laying in hospital, having complications after having miscarried his child, and he is vacationing in Thailand. Perhaps he told you it’s just too much for him and he needs to get away from it all? Like, he made himself into a victim?

    I carry guilt in thinking that perhaps this is what caused the miscarriage

    Please don’t blame yourself. I can tell you that my mother was very stressed while carrying me, and yet I was born a healthy child. I think it’s written in the stars, as they say. I am a little fatalistic in this respect – I think it was meant to be like that.

    In terms of previous men. Some have been fantastic, caring and respectful. My last good relationship ending because we wanted different things from life. I have an ex husband who ended up being unfaithful but it ended amicably. We were very young when we met and it just ran its course. His error in judgement was not a reflection of the decade I spent with him. Most of the relationship was very good.

    I see. So this one is more an exception to the rule. But it could also be that you’re a bit overly forgiving and understanding towards your partners. I mean, your ex husband cheated on you, but you explain it as his “error of judgment”. That’s nice, but I wonder if there is still some unprocessed anger at him?

    If you’ve processed it and healed it, then fine – then indeed you are free and no hard feelings. But if you force yourself to be kind and understanding, that’s another pair of shoes. Because you did force yourself to be kind and understanding towards your last ex, who was emotionally and potentially physically abusive. So I am just putting it out there, in case you need to re-evaluate your earlier relationships too.

    My biggest issue at the moment is the dissonance in my head between thinking I’m a failure if I don’t have a partner and what I actually want, which is time for me. I think women have a lot of pressure to be in a relationship. I’m often asked “but how are you single?” and this makes me feel like I’m the odd one out.

    I have been on some dates and I panic before going out. Then panic if they come near me. However, if I’m meeting male or female friends, I’m absolutely fine.

    I understand. You don’t want to be abused again. And you don’t need to, Sammie. You don’t need to force yourself into a relationship. I think your priority should be to heal and completely understand how you were abused and how to prevent abuse in the future. Because there might be some gaps there, where you were blind to some of the abuse, and are only now waking up to how bad it really was.

    I would like the option of being able to meet someone when I am ready but at the moment I see the damage that my last relationship has caused.

    So allow yourself time to be ready. You don’t need to rush into another relationship. As I said above, I think you still need to fully grasp in what ways you were abused, and potentially if you were overlooking abuse (albeit milder) in your previous relationships.

    It is currently preventing me from having a future with someone new. I’m not sure how to get past this fear of men when they are potential romantic partners.

    I think the confusion about what is and what isn’t abuse, and what you should or shouldn’t tolerate, might be adding to your fear of men at this point. You don’t want to be abused again and it could be that your panic attacks serve to protect you from abuse. It could be that your panic attacks are in fact a defense mechanism and prevent you from getting into another relationship without properly healing.

    If you equip yourself with good knowledge and awareness of what is abuse and how to protect yourself from it, I think your fear of men would subside too.

    What do you think? I hope my assumptions were not too much and too off the mark.

     

    in reply to: Broken After Being Left (he disappeared) #419453
    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Sammie,

    you are very welcome!

    I was in denial about being pregnant as a coping mechanism.

    He was passionately against children

    I can see why you were in denial. Perhaps it was because you knew he was very much against children and you didn’t want to face the prospect of raising a child alone? And in general, I guess you knew on some level that he was a bad and unreliable partner, so you knew that having a child with him would have been very hard.

    Tee, I’m grateful for your honesty. I needed to hear this. He was toxic. He was hard work. I was also scared of him. I could get a bad stomach every time he told me he was on the way to my house. I would be physically sick.

    You’re welcome, I am glad it added some clarity. And if you were scared of him – wow, that says a lot! Was he physically abusive too?

    He was so lovely to me at times. He took me away for my birthday and planned lovely days out for us. He would do little things like make sure I had medicine. He would tell me he would always have my back and be there for me.

    Yes, that’s the worst: the abuse mixed with seeming kindness and care. That’s called trauma bonding: we get attached to the good times, when we felt loved and cared for, and we disregard and minimize the bad times, when we were abused. And we hope that some day, we’ll only get the good times and that the bad times will stop…

    I did feel loved at times. What makes it so hard is that at Xmas/NYE, he was so lovely but I think he has already made his mind up to leave. It’s the dissonance of “he seemed to care but he left anyway”.

    Yes, he gave you the appearance of caring. But really, he didn’t care. Because at the end of the day, his behavior was hurtful and abusive.

    But, before this I was a strong, focused woman. Who I am now, I don’t recognise. But at the start of the year I asked the universe for peace, and then he left. I think I have been gifted this man leaving my life.

    I am glad he left your life and that you found a measure of peace. And I hope you won’t take him back, if he comes knocking at your door again. It’s great that you’re finding your strength again: you’ve got yourself a new job, you’ve redecorated your house, you have been going out, and you’re planning to go traveling. That’s all amazing!

    A lot of the times, we may be strong in other areas of our life, but in the field of romantic relationship, we suffer. We might have a weak spot for not so good guys. I don’t know what your experience with men was before him, but if you see a certain pattern, it might be worth to work on it and heal it.

    I wish you peace and strength and lots of healing!

     

    in reply to: My depressed girlfriend left me #419452
    Tee
    Participant

    Hi Adam,

    Was there a really big divide from what I have told you? I do understand there were differences but I didnt see it as a deal breaker similar to her. Ofcourse I am going to have some expectations when nothing changes after nearly 12 months.

    I think there was a big divide in terms of what you wanted from her, and what she wanted for herself. You wanted her to get a job and seek therapy so she wouldn’t be so moody and sensitive.

    She wanted to stay unemployed (at least for a while), heal on her own, and in the meanwhile, she wanted you to unconditionally accept and “respect” her moodiness and sensitivity.

    In summary, she wanted you to meet all her emotional needs: soothe her when she is feeling down, understand and accept her moods, and support her in her plan to wean off medication on her own. And not push her to seek either therapy or a job.

    You couldn’t accept it, because as you say, it had been almost a year and nothing changed. She was actually getting worse without her medication. But she didn’t want to be told what to do – she wanted to continue with her plan of “healing” on her own.

    You see? What she wanted for herself was very different than what you hoped she would do. That’s the big divide I am talking about.

    I do understand there were differences but I didnt see it as a deal breaker similar to her.

    Well, you didn’t want to break up with her, even after being emotionally abused. If you’re completely honest with yourself, nothing was a deal breaker for you. But I think she saw it more clearly, and those differences were actually a deal-breaker, if you ask me.

     

    It definitely does sound possible. I wanted her by my side to grow as a couple and build the foundations of something strong, that was what i always told her. I know relationships are hard work and are never really perfect, I just wanted someone who will stick by my side during the tough times and when we may not agree on certain things.

    Sure, a healthy relationship can help us grow, as we go through challenges and tough times together. However, when you say “I want someone to grow with and show how much I can change and how good I can be“, it has a different message to it.

    The message I am hearing is: “I am not good as I am, there is something wrong with me. But I can change and show you how good I can be.”

    It’s different than “I know I am not perfect, no one is, but I am willing to grow.”

    The first would be a message of someone with low self-esteem (“I am not good as I am. There is something wrong with me”).

    The latter would be someone with healthy self-esteem (“I am good as I am. There is nothing deeply wrong with me. I am open to improvement though, because no one is perfect”).

     

    I am bringing this up, Adam, because I think you might be suffering from low self-esteem, even though you might not be aware of it.

    One sign of low self-esteem is being prone to addiction. Because when we feel bad about ourselves, we want to soothe and numb that constant pain that we feel.

    Another sign of low self-esteem might be daydreaming about being famous. You said it’s almost like an urge, you can’t really stop it. And it gives you a relief for a while. It’s kind of an escape. And that’s typical for people with low self-esteem: to dream about being famous, because they feel that’s what will finally make them worthy.

    So this is the feeling I am getting about you – that perhaps you suffer from low self-esteem. I did mention it in the past, but you said that no, you do love yourself and feel good about yourself. But after talking to you more, I do believe there might be problems in that department.

    What do you say?

     

    in reply to: My depressed girlfriend left me #419438
    Tee
    Participant

    Hi Adam,

    The dreams can vary from things related to games, movies, sports. the dreams usually have famous people in them etc. For example I may daydream about playing in the NBA but it’s not actually me in the dream.

    Okay, so is it like you being famous in those daydreams? (although someone else plays you, e.g. some famous actor or athlete?)

    I think she really believed that she could share that future with me at first but eventually it did change. Maybe the reality of it became too real and she didn’t want to take responsibility for her life knowing she wasn’t in a good spot for any of what we spoke about.

    Yes, very likely. It could be that in the beginning, she was thrilled to have met someone who is super supportive and caring, unlike her father and her exes perhaps. So she was over the moon and felt like she wanted to spend the rest of her life with you. But then the reality kicked in, and she realized you had expectations on her, and she didn’t like it… and she started to resist more and more.

    Again I always go back to what she said – “Right now what I’d want is to be in your arms selfishly, I say selfishly because I know in the long run it will just cause more harm for the both of us”. It’s like she wanted it but knew it wasn’t right. That’s how I feel now also.

    Well, it could be that she realized she can’t be the person you wanted her to be. She wanted to be “safe in your arms” – she wanted you to be her protector, who unconditionally loves and has no expectations of her. But she also knew that you do have expectations on her, which she wasn’t able or willing to fulfill. She knew that her position is “selfish” – not able or not wanting to change in the ways you expected it from her.

    In other words, I think she was aware that there was a big divide between you, and that you will never see eye to eye.

    It’s like she wanted it but knew it wasn’t right.

    Actually, I don’t think it means she wanted the same as you. I think it means she knew you’re not wanting the same thing. And that’s why she sort of knew it wouldn’t work.

    I have been doing my best at trying to focus on my life. Keeping as busy as I can however I have been smoking a bit, planning on cutting down however I need take the steps to do it. It’s like I know how to be my best but I am afraid of taking the steps to start that. I’m sitting on the fence. Almost as if I’m scared to do this journey alone. I think this is another reason I want a partner, I want someone to grow with and show how much I can change and how good I can be. However I don’t do it for myself…

    Okay, this sounds like you don’t feel good enough and you feel you need to change (I want someone to grow with and show how much I can change and how good I can be). This pain of not feeling good enough is causing you to seek ways to self-soothe and numb the pain. And one way is addiction.

    In the past you said you were addicted to weed and other drugs (I was smoking and doing other drugs at the time so my head was very clouded and foggy.) But when you met this girl, you decided to quit and become your “best self”. And indeed, you did your best. It could be that you wanted to prove to her and yourself that you can be a good person (I want someone to grow with and show how much I can change and how good I can be).

    It sounds like there is a part of you who believes he isn’t good enough. And this relationship was a means to finally prove the opposite. But since it failed, you are back with your pain (of not feeling good enough), and again in need to self-soothe…

    What do you think? Does this sound plausible?

     

    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Dafne,

    I am feeling a bit better, thank you <3

    Thank you for taking time to reply to my message. I might be too emotional to see the things the way you do. It feels like something is pushing me towards him to help him in his struggle. I just can’t let him go…

    I understand the strong longing, Dafne, I really do. I’ve experienced it myself in the past. It’s when we believe that without a particular man (or without a man in general) we will never be happy and fulfilled. It creates a strong longing and desire, which clouds our judgment. The desire is so strong that we cannot think straight. And so we might be craving for unavailable or unsuitable guys, who will never make us happy, who will only cause us trouble.

    You said earlier:

    I always longed for a loving father and a loving husband eventually. To be honest this feeling was so strong that I can’t live my life fully and it also affects my health badly.

    This is the strong longing and desire that I am talking about. It is so strong that it’s ruining your health. And it is also causing you to pine for this guy, who is not really a good prospect. Who can’t give you what you’re looking for. But the loneliness and the unmet childhood needs make you feel strongly for this guy and get attached to him, against your better judgment. That’s why you can’t let him go.

    I even spoke with one of our priests as he asked me again if I already found someone to spend my life with. I explained the situation and he adviced me to give it a last shot.

    Did you explain that he so far has only expressed interested in sex? Honestly, I don’t think that a good priest would encourage chasing after such a guy. Maybe you only told him that he is suffering after his divorce, but haven’t explicitly mentioned his requirements on you?

    He said that I can choose to never contact him again or I can give him a last chance and call him asking to meet just as friends. I should try to call him few times and if he doesn’t answer, to delete him from my life forever. No looking back…

    Well, you could of course call and try to get him to meet in public. You have tried that already, and it didn’t work. But sure, you can try once again.

    I took your advice about the healing to my heart, and I will do my best to try it and not give up on my life just yet. I do not have many reasons to stay on this Earth if not for the elderly I want to help.

    I hear your pain, Dafne. I understand you feel you don’t have much to live for. However, that’s flawed thinking. It is caused by the same strong longing and desire that causes you to get sick without a man. It is when you are hung up on some guy to give you purpose and meaning in life. The purpose and meaning is within you, and you need to dig it out. That will be a part of your healing.

    Once you “fill your own cup” and start loving yourself, you won’t be so desperate for a guy. And then, just like magic, you will be able to attract a good, decent man. But not from a place of desperation, but from a place of loving and appreciating yourself.

    So yes, please start working on healing your heart. There are many free resources on the net. Anna Runkle is one such resource.

    You are so precious and valuable, Dafne! There is so much goodness and talent in you. You haven’t been told that in the past, and that’s what made you wither a bit and start thinking less of yourself. But it’s time to heal that wound and return to your full, beautiful self!

     

    in reply to: Does he like me? #419436
    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Katrine,

    I am hoping too that your talk on Monday will turn out the best and dispel your fears. Let me know how it went… I am rooting for you!

    in reply to: Broken After Being Left (he disappeared) #419281
    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Sammie,

    I am sorry you had a miscarriage and that he disappeared soon after that, only to be back 2 months later. He expressed his willingness to be there for you. However, it didn’t last long, because on March 29, he told you he cannot stick around, and he disappeared again (Then on 29th March he told me he didn’t know how not to self sabotage and couldn’t have me in his life.)

    I understand your disappointment and bitterness, however the writing was on the wall all of this time. He was never a solid guy. He cheated on you, was lying to you and had been disappearing on you before:

    Throughout the relationship he would disappear and come back.

    He would routinely ignore me.

    He wasn’t very good at only having one girl at a time.

    He treated his previous girlfriends really badly too.

    At the end he disregarded it ever being a proper relationship despite it continuing for years.

    I tried to be lovely all the time and it isn’t fair because he lied and cheated.

    You’ve been together, in this strange relationship, for years. You tolerated his behavior and were kind to him and full of understanding. You found excuses for him (I tried to be thoughtful and compassionate as he has family issues and problems with his mum. … He was the one that was always difficult and I was always trying to be understanding.)

    His behavior was abusive, Sammie, but you tolerated it for some reason. You were tolerating his bread crumbs, and you believed him when in March he told you he’ll stick around, finally.

    I’m just so disappointed that someone who meant the world to me would change his mind so suddenly. Three weeks before he left me, he declared his feelings for me

    Unfortunately, his leaving you stranded fits into his so-far behavior pattern. He was doing this all the time. He was never committed, never stable, never there for you. His sudden proclamation of love in March was more of an exception to the rule. His character unfortunately hasn’t changed in Thailand – he remained the same cheating, lying, uncommitted guy.

    I am sorry, Sammie, but that’s the truth about him. His proclamation of love was just an episode, which didn’t mean much. Because his character remained unchanged.

    I don’t want this on my mind anymore but I’m stuck in a loop of confusion and it is preventing me from moving forward

    If you are confused about his motives, I hope you can see now that his disappearance and leaving you stranded is consistent with his so-far behavior and character. You were confused so far, I’d dare say you didn’t want to see his true character. You were deluding yourself a bit. And I guess he was contributing to your confusing too, with his constant back and forth, the promises he gave you but never saw through.

    It feels like bad people always win. It’s not fair.

    I am afraid you let him “win”. You let him get away with his sleazy, cheating behavior. You were always kind, compassionate and loving. And he took advantage of your goodness.

    But if you open your eyes and see him for what he is, you won’t be taken for a ride anymore. The bad guys won’t win anymore, at least not in your life.

    You have the chance for a fresh new start, without this toxic person in your life. The world is your oyster, as they say. But you’d need to develop more self-respect and more discernment, so you don’t settle for bread crumbs. You deserve so much more!

     

    in reply to: I Found Out I Am The Other Women #419277
    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Honey,

    I know about it but he lied to me that they are no longer together

    Her girlfriend found and said every mean things to me. They are no longer together and he wants to be with me.

    It seems to me that they are no longer together only because she found out and broke up with him. Otherwise he would have been still living a double life. Now, when she left him, no wonder he is begging you to take him back and claims that he loves  you. But he would have continued lying and cheating on both of you if he hadn’t been discovered.

    So my advice is not to trust this man. He is a liar and a cheater. If he was cheating on his girlfriend, he won’t have qualms to cheat on you some time down the line. He has been lying to you already, so that shows you his character.

    I love him so much. I do want to give him a chance but it’s really painful.

    You may love him, but you don’t want to be anyone’s fool. And he is trying to fool you now, making excuses why he lied. My advice is to leave him and don’t look back.

     

    in reply to: My depressed girlfriend left me #419276
    Tee
    Participant

    Hi Adam,

    I wouldn’t say fatigue, more something I enjoyed back then, now it feels like it’s more of a distraction at times.

    What were you daydreaming about? Having a partner? You don’t need to give me any details, I am just curious about the main theme of your daydreams.

    I really did feel over the moon from everything she said, especially earlier on, I think that’s the feeling I’m chasing again and again with her. Before the last 2 break ups, which were the worst and longest, she was bringing up future, family marriage etc a lot more compared to after the break ups. I feel like I was gas lit.

    Yes, it seems she wasn’t really sincere when she told you see shares your vision of the future. It could be that in the beginning she agreed with you, because she didn’t want to lose you. But my guess is that she wasn’t ready to settle down, she was still searching for herself, perhaps. She just enrolled college, you also said she wanted to travel (instead of seeking therapy) – this all seems like someone who is still in the process of seeking/discovering themselves.

    In the beginning of our conversation, you said:

    she said I was her best boyfriend, her rock, her best friend etc and wanted me in her life so it is giving me expectations that she does want me as a lifelong partner only that she may not have been ready for it

    It could be that she liked you being her protector and her “rock” while she was searching for herself, being a “free spirit”, making necklaces, collecting shells, having no job… it’s like she wanted you to be her perfect father, while she is playing in the sand, perhaps?

    She wanted you in her life for playing that protector figure, however not for having adult expectations on her.

    However, you interpreted her loving words as to mean that she is on board with your plan of getting married and having kids. Just take a look at this sentence again: “she said I was her best boyfriend, her rock, her best friend etc and wanted me in her life so it is giving me expectations that she does want me as a lifelong partner only that she may not have been ready for it.”

    She might have loved you for being that rock and protector for her, but she might not have loved your expectations about the future. Not that there is anything wrong with those expectations (we talked about it: you have the right to expect certain things from a girl you want to marry). It’s just that she wasn’t the right girl to expect it from.

    In the beginning she might have seemed like she is on board with your plan, because as I said, she didn’t want to lose you (because you were so good in the role of her protector). But as the time went by, she probably felt more and more resistance towards that plan and in general, towards you trying to nudge her to get her life in order. She didn’t like that part of you (the part who has adult expectations on her). She only liked the unconditionally loving protector father figure, who lets her “play in the sand” and has no expectations on her.

    I am trying not to blame myself, I think I am just caring too much now about how she is and what she is doing. When she is obviously not caring about me so that puts it into perspective a bit. She actually mentioned last time that she blocked it all out but then it all hit her.

    Well, you may care for her and have compassion for her. But she is not your daughter and you have no responsibility for her well-being. She’ll figure it out. She has her whole life in front of her to learn and heal, at her own pace. So don’t feel responsible for her feelings and her well-being. You tried to play that role, and it turned out badly. Now it’s time to let her go figure out her life on her own. Your task is to figure out your own life.

     As I said earlier she doesn’t care so that should be a good enough reason for me not too.

    Well, maybe she would like to have you back in the role of “unconditionally loving protector who has no expectations on her”. But would you want to be in that role? Or you actually want an adult partner around whom you don’t need to walk on eggshells and who wants similar things that you want (settle down, marriage, family)?

     

    in reply to: My depressed girlfriend left me #419209
    Tee
    Participant

    Hi Adam,

    I told my psych that it hurts because she didn’t understand how I loved her and loved me differently. She replied and told me that my ex would also be feeling the same towards me, that I didn’t love her how she did. It was interesting and also hard to hear that.

    Yes, it’s typical that people with trauma require all their partner’s attention and care, because the wounded inner child is leading their life. Your ex behaved like a child, and all children are naturally selfish – they want their parents’ attention 100% of the time. Otherwise they wouldn’t be able to survive. So when we are children, that’s totally normal, but when someone behaves like that in their adulthood, it’s a problem.

    So don’t blame yourself for not being able to give her that kind of attention that a baby or a toddler requires from her mother. The fact that she was unhappy with the level of attention you gave her doesn’t tell anything about you, but about her insatiable demands, which are the result of her unmet childhood needs.

    I think when i just need a mental break it triggers my daydreaming a bit.

    And when do you typically need a mental break? Is it after you’ve spent a hard day at work, focusing on what you’re doing? Or perhaps when in a relationship and focusing all your energy on your partner, sort of watching you’ll say, paying attention not to offend her (like it was with you ex)?

    Smoking does as well. Movies and just media in general can trigger a feeling of wanting to daydream. They can last maybe between 5 – 15 minutes. When I was a teenager, I would go on walks to allow time for my daydreaming.

    Do you remember what triggered it back then? Was it also mental fatigue?

    I really felt ready and like she was going to be the one for me. She fueled my fantasies with her comments too. I had that fate and destined feeling straight away with her.

    Yes, you felt ready and you wanted to find a girl to settle down with. It was a strong desire in you. When she told you that she too wants to settle down and be your wife, no wonder you felt over the moon. You thought you’ve found “the one” – something you’ve been dreaming of ever since you were a teen.

    I think that’s why it felt destined. Because everything fell into place, you believed. You thought your dream was finally coming true. And that’s why you tried so hard to make it work, even if you suffered abuse in the relationship. Because you wanted it to succeed at all costs.

    Now I’m worried it will return if she reaches out at any time, and it probably will still be there for a long time. I think it has to do with me being too readily available at times and giving people my all straight away.

    With her, you definitely did give your all straight away. Have you experienced it in other relationships too? (perhaps friendships?) Because in your previous romantic relationships, you didn’t really give your all at first (you were avoidant).

    I am even worried about getting this destined feeling with anyone not just her as I feel like it had made it so much harder for me this whole time.

    Well, if what’s driving you is a desire to settle down and start your own family, and this desire is very strong and pervasive, then it could indeed cloud your judgment and make you cling to people like your ex, even if they’re not good for you.

    I feel stuck in limbo still. This week has been much harder than last, I feel as I’m getting worse with time. Work is being affected and I’m very unmotivated, so I am going to take some time off soon.

    I’ve noticed fluctuations in you – some days you’re more hopeful and upbeat, others you’re more daydreaming and having thoughts of getting back together. I think this is normal in the aftermath of this very painful breakup. Please know that it’s normal that sometimes you feel better, sometimes worse. But you will get through this eventually, because you’re doing all the right things.

    It’s a good idea to get some time off of work, to recuperate. However, try not to use it for daydreaming and smoking weed, because that’s what’s going to make things harder. Being alone with your thoughts and feelings isn’t the best, I am afraid. Perhaps going for a vacation to a new place, a place you’ve always wanted to visit, would be appealing to you?

    I have really hoped anything would be different. My biggest hope since early teens was probably to get a girlfriend and then as I left school, I finally started getting them, but I still have not made it to 12 months with a partner. They always leave and it makes me feel like I am doing something wrong.

    Well, you’re still learning. You said you weren’t that eager in your first relationships and that both of your exes left you because you were avoidant. So in those relationship you were probably doing something wrong – you were smoking and didn’t care much about them.

    Perhaps you sort of sabotaged those relationships because you both feared and longed for a relationship at the same time. So it might have been an inner conflict, which made you wishy-washy about the relationship.

    But with this girl, you were ready and you decided to give it your best.

    There was a trend where I was always questioning myself with all my exes and my last relationship was the worst for this. She told me once during an argument that something is wrong with me and it really hurt. It made me feel like I was in the wrong and the cause of all issues and arguments.

    Yeah, that’s hard to hear. You were trying your best, you gave her a lot of attention, you were caring and supportive, you were there almost 24/7 for her, and yet it wasn’t enough. As I explained above, the fact that she wasn’t satisfied with you is not your fault – it’s her own trauma wounds. So don’t take it to heart. Don’t take it to mean anything bad about you. Because it wasn’t your fault.

    I tied everything about our futures together and that’s what I always told her. My priority was my future together, so it’s our future. She would see this as her not being the priority in the moment. She was never able to envision the future like I did.

    Because she wasn’t really on board with being a wife and mother, I believe. She was too immature for that. She herself was so extremely needy – how on earth would she be able to meet a child’s needs properly? She might have told you in the beginning that she’d be your wife, because that’s what you felt so strongly about and she wanted to please you. But her heart was never in it. In fact, I bet she was actually afraid of such a task. Because women with trauma and unmet childhood needs often feel very scared and incompetent of being mothers themselves.

    What she wanted from you is 24/7 care and attention in the moment, and no expectations about the future. If my assumptions are right, she wasn’t on board with being your wife, simply because she felt incapable of it. But perhaps she never articulated it. And so you kept hoping and pushing for your dream, which wasn’t actually her dream too.

     A week before we broke up it was her sisters birthday, there was a massive argument when they went out for dinner because he didn’t get the right sauce. It reminded me of my ex in a way, like he didn’t get what he wanted so now everyone has to suffer despite being a birthday celebration and it ruined the night. My ex told me he actually said “this is why I didn’t want to go out, because it always ends in an argument”.

    Haha, yeah, it always ends up in an argument because he is the one causing arguments! But he didn’t want to admit it, and kept blaming everyone else. Yes, he doesn’t seem like a positive person. He is probably having anger and rage issues, but is blaming others for his explosive behavior. Your ex also wasn’t able to admit her own mistake but was rather blaming you. So perhaps there is a similarity there.

    I think all this trauma, unresolved mental health, no desire for therapy, reducing medication without guidelines, no work for nearly 6 months or general direction in life, small friend group who weren’t always a positive influence just to name a few things. One of these by themself is enough to damage a relationship I feel. It was a whole concoction of what I just listed. I just want to be done with all this but I am struggling to do what’s best for myself.

    That’s an excellent summary, Adam. You are seeing it very well. It’s good you’re aware that she wasn’t in a good mental space at all to have a healthy long-term relationship. And you’re working on letting her go. But it’s a process, don’t rush it. You’ll get there.

    But as I said, make sure you don’t spend too much time alone, smoking and ruminating. Rather, if you take some time off, take a vacation and get to some new vistas. If you have good friends (or one good friend), you might go together with them.

     

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