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ParticipantDear canary,
My mother knew about the bullying from the girl but she did not do much she just gave me advice on how to handle it.
What did she tell you?
Only my mother knew about the bullying in the 6th grade.
This means your mother didn’t tell your father about it. What do you think is the reason?
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ParticipantDear canary,
I told my mom about the incident that happened in the 5th grade and my mom would let me stay at home. She did not know what to do but she allowed me to skip school for that reason.
This shows that your mother unfortunately didn’t know how to handle problems like this. She (or your father) should have gone to school and talked to the teacher, and also talked to you to soothe your anxiety. Parents are adults and one of their main roles is to emotionally regulate the child – to soothe and comfort the child, to reduce the child’s anxiety, because the child is unable to do that for themselves. It seems your parents didn’t have those skills and would rather let you to “regulate” yourself by avoiding uncomfortable situations. It seems you didn’t have a proper background, a proper safety net to fall on in stressful situations, and that’s why you likely developed anxiety.
When you were bullied in the 6th grade, did your parents know about that at all? And when you finally stood up for yourself and told that girl that she was rude (but then ran away crying) – did your parents know about it?
July 23, 2021 at 11:20 pm in reply to: My ex and I still love each other, but can’t be together #383354Tee
ParticipantDear Candice88,
He told me that he changed from reflecting on what I may have gone through, and never wanting to make someone feel that again.
Maybe I making bold assumptions here, but I don’t think he spontaneously started contemplating about you and your suffering, realizing how badly he treated you. To me it seems more likely that something triggered his change, e.g. that he went through a similar experience himself, of being mistreated and manipulated, and maybe that’s when he sought therapy? Has he been to therapy btw?
Yes, I had massive self esteem issues from him, a very successful, ambitious person who I was supposed to trust, telling me over and over how I should get “over it” and that I was embarrassing. I definitely absorbed that.
And it seems to me that your self-esteem issues didn’t start with him, but earlier, only perhaps they weren’t so strong? You might have been attracted to very self-confident, ambitious people because you yourself didn’t feel that way?
I may have a follow-up question (sorry for bombarding you): you say M is an addict, and he presented himself as a “whole and healed person”. Could it be that he is on cocaine or a similar drug, and also looks like an ambitious, self-confident person on the outside?
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ParticipantHi Emy,
good to hear you didn’t have such an experience. When did you start sensing other people’s energy so intensely?
You asked what the goal is of this experience. Well, considering that you’re highly sensitive energy-wise and that it overwhelms you – not just with this man, but in general – I believe the goal might be to reduce that sensitivity, since it affects you badly. How do you feel about reducing your sensitivity, so that you can function normally? Would you want that or it would feel like a loss?
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July 23, 2021 at 10:41 pm in reply to: My ex and I still love each other, but can’t be together #383350Tee
ParticipantDear Candice88,
you’re welcome. It appears he really did change and is much more considerate now. How did this change come about – what motivated him?
I have a hard time letting go of love. I want to explore every avenue before I throw in the towel on relationships, even bad ones
I understand. That’s why now you’re giving a chance to M too… With S, he was completely closed off at the time and unwilling to even consider that he might need to change. And yet, you stayed with him until he broke up with you. Perhaps you believed him at the time that it was your fault, and that you’re the one to blame?
I always wanted him to mature and change for the sake of girls who came after me,
This is interesting what you’ve said. It means you sort of knew he was to blame, or at least that he too was to blame, but you’ve stayed with him anyway. Have you hoped that he would still change at some point? That you would “save” him, so to speak?
July 23, 2021 at 2:41 pm in reply to: My ex and I still love each other, but can’t be together #383333Tee
ParticipantDear Candice88,
I am sorry you feel like a big loss happened in your life and that what happened is unfair.
I can imagine your stress and anxiety when you were in Japan, and S was out drinking every night (or often) with his female friends. It sort of gave the perfect setting for you thinking the worst – that he would cheat again, when drunk. You asked him to let you know when he comes home from those parties, but he never did. That caused you even more stress and anxiety, i.e. panic attacks.
It’s like he didn’t care about you, he didn’t have understanding for your concerns, on the contrary he behaved in a way that tortured you. And he told you it’s your fault and to pull yourself together.
Your only fault was that you tolerated it and stayed with him (perhaps your hopes got up when he mentioned engagement rings?). I guess his behavior was the same when you returned from Japan and came to live with him? It culminated in him breaking up with you just before he was to transfer to a different city for a new job. You needed to pack up and leave his place within 2 days, causing you great stress and financial losses.
Yes, this guy was an a**hole, and it’s good you’ve moved on. What’s not so good is that you’ve met with him again. Now you say he has matured and has more compassion. Has he apologized for treating you like he did – for partying with his female friends, and then accusing you of being paranoid? Has he realized what exactly he has done wrong?
He told me he still loves me too. How we are both on each other’s minds, how we are each other’s “big ex”, the relationship we always wanted to work out.
Well, he didn’t love you back then. His behavior wasn’t love. And I don’t think he wanted the relationship to work out, because he kept accusing you of being too sensitive, when in fact he was too insensitive. He made it all to be your fault. I wonder if he’s realized that now?
He said “it should be you with me”, and “I never thought I would see you again and NOT be with you”.
I am sorry but this doesn’t sound sincere to me. It’s like he is putting up a front of this mature, considerate guy and white-washing his past actions. Unless he actually apologized for his past behavior?
S has grown so much, seems like a much more emotionally intelligent and sensitive partner. But it’s unfair that I didn’t dodge the bullet – I got shot.
You did get shot, but you can recover. There are ways to treat PTSD. You don’t need to suffer for life, and you don’t need to suffer because of him, because I don’t think he’s so irreplaceable…
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ParticipantHi Emy,
Yes. I think I’m highly sensitive and I can easily sense other people’s energy and it overwhelms me indeed. And his energy totally overwhelms me.
Right. Have you done some research on highly sensitive people? There is one theory according to which high sensitivity (to other people’s energy and moods) develops as a result of circumstances in which the child grows up. For example, if the child grows up with an unpredictable parent, who can sometimes be abusive, they develop an ability to perceive the parent’s mood so they can adapt their behavior and protect themselves from trouble. It’s almost like a defense mechanism – developing “sensors” for trouble.
I don’t know if this is similar to your experience? In any case, I believe it would help to lower that sensitivity by strengthening your boundaries… how are you with boundaries? Can you say No to people?
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ParticipantDear Peace,
I am fine, thank you, just returned from holidays and feeling fine 🙂
i think for me YES i would go for it if i love the person and if the relationship feels right to me.
Good that you have that clarified with yourself! You’re fine with marrying soon, if the person is right. And this guy seems right for you, so the only problem is your family.
if i talk to them about him ,they might bring my study in between this proposal ,not because they want me to graduate before getting marry but because they won’t think this Guy is (caste – wise) compatible for me and they will ask me to complete my education because they have invested for my studies
Do you think they might prevent you from finishing your education (e.g. stop financing it) if you get married without their approval? What’s the worst that can happen if they don’t approve?
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ParticipantDear Natie,
you’re so very welcome! I am glad those words resonated with you. It means this is what really happened and you did feel burdened as a young girl, burdened and guilty for things you weren’t responsible for.
You may want to put your hand on your heart and tell yourself – the young girl – that she can relax now and put down that heavy burden that she’s been carrying. She can put it down and have a rest. Just not worry about anything. Empty her mind. You may also give her permission to simply enjoy herself and be carefree…
If you decide to do the meditation/visualization, let me know how it went…
Rooting for you and wishing you all the best! <3
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ParticipantDear canary,
thanks for sharing some more… When that situation happened in the 4th grade, when your class mate cut his finger and you got confused as to what to do – have you told your parents about it? If so, what was their reaction?
In the fifth grade, when you felt extremely anxious because the teacher would often pick you to answer questions (to help you come out of your shell) – have you talked about it with your parents? Did they know you were skipping school because of that?
I am asking you this because if you needed to deal with problems on your own (or you didn’t want to upset your parents with your problems), it can easily lead a child to develop anxiety because there’s no one to help them and emotionally regulate them…
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ParticipantHi Emy,
you say you’re looking for a goal for this phenomenon, and I think you’re right: it would make sense to understand the purpose and what this entire situation is trying to tell you.
You said about yourself:
I’m easily overwhelmed with emotions and it’s not good for me. I am emotionally compromised by nature.
Would you care to elaborate a little bit on that? Perhaps you’re what it’s called a highly sensitive person and can easily sense other people’s energy, and sometimes it overwhelms you?
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ParticipantDear Felix,
Right now i’m trying to stop my internal saboteur from making this issue a new obsession to worry about.
Excellent that you’re observing yourself and realizing that your internal saboteur would want to make this a new issue to obsess about. It’s a new subject to “latch” onto, and he does it in an attempt to keep you in stuck in one place, not trying anything new, not doing physical exercise, just overthinking until you get exhausted and depressed.
Notice his intention and do something such as physical exercise, walk, jog, drawing or whatever that can help you stop this voice and do something productive.
I’ll write more later.
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ParticipantDear canary,
you’re welcome, I am glad it helped you understand his behavior a little bit better, and that you feel more at peace now.
It’s also good to hear that your parents are supportive and understanding – that they aren’t condemning you or blaming you for your anxiety. I wonder when was the first time you experienced anxiety and what it was related to? If you’re willing to talk some more about it, please do…
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ParticipantDear canary,
you’re welcome. As I said, your needs are totally legitimate, including the need for empathy and understanding, but the truth is that if we have a childhood wound, where those needs weren’t met when they were supposed to – then no one will be able to give us enough, unless we first heal that wound. Or, they will be able to give us in the beginning, as he did, but then they’ll get tired and give up.
You say he accused you of being too sensitive and too emotional, but you don’t understand why:
He told me I was sensitive and emotional but in a bad way. I don’t understand what I was doing that made him feel that way,
The answer could be this:
I would get lots of anxiety and need reassurance that he loves me. He would try his best to reassure me and make me feel better.
I admit I was very codependent on him because I wouldn’t take care of myself sometimes (especially during the end of the relationship) and I wasn’t able to self-soothe my emotions. I relied on him for my happiness a looot. I think that’s why he reacted with resentment and is hostile and disrespectful…
So you relied only on him to take care of you and soothe you when you were upset, and you also needed him to reassure you often that he loves you. That’s all a big burden for a person. He was doing it for a while, but then got tired. It was too much for him to handle, specially when you would go through an episode:
I would listen when he’d talk about himself and vice versa, until I would be going through an episode.
he was showing me love and empathy during the beginning of my relationship, it wasn’t exactly what I needed but I would tell him what I needed and he would understand and change to support me, but as soon as my mental state deteriorates, he’s not able to be there for me.
I imagine that when you went through an episode, it was too much for him to handle, he didn’t know what to say or do. Perhaps his defense mechanism was to “check out”, to not be there for you in those critical moments.
His mistake was that he didn’t tell you you’re burdening him at the time when it was happening, but would use passive aggression instead (like not being available to talk, or talking about himself when you were very fragile and in need of support):
I made sure to never dump everything on him but he never told me at the moment that he couldn’t talk to me (he didn’t set a boundary). I didn’t know I was doing something wrong because he never told me about it at first.
You experienced it as a sudden change in his behavior: at first he was super caring and considerate, and suddenly he became cold and unresponsive. The reason could be simple: it was too much for him, but he never dared to say anything openly. He rather accepted (or appeared to have accepted) your characterization – that he lacks empathy and that he should change. But he said he can’t change, because he allegedly suffers from the antisocial personality disorder. Frankly, this might not even be true, perhaps he’s just told you this as an excuse, because he didn’t want to argue with you any more?
I didn’t realize how hurt he also was because of our relationship until he told me about it and it finally hit me that we had been both hurting each other without realizing even though we loved each other very much.
It’s possible that he too was hurt, because he wasn’t able to meet your expectations… and wasn’t able to tell you openly how he feels about those expectations. His resentment grew over time, first it manifested as “checking out” (passive aggression), and now he’s showing it openly by being hostile and disrespectful.
I don’t understand why I still love him to this day and care for him. I don’t even know if he feels the same way, even if he doesn’t it never changes the fact that I still care and love him.
There may be many reasons why you love him and care for him. Maybe one is that you feel that deep down he isn’t selfish and inconsiderate, but just couldn’t give you what you wanted. You said he never wanted to hurt you on purpose, and that may be true…
All I really want is to move on with my life and keep the good memories locked away in my heart, it’s really difficult and right now I’m not sure what to do.
You’re right that you need to move on from focusing on him to focusing on yourself and dealing with your anxiety. That’s the only way you can have a healthy relationship in the future.
You say you have a good relationship with your parents, and that they are supportive of you seeking professional help. You also said you didn’t tell your parents when you were admitted to hospital for suicidal thoughts, and that your ex- boyfriend was the only person you talked to about those things. How come you didn’t want to confide in your parents? If you feel like it, please share some more…
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ParticipantDear Natie,
In terms of what im planning to do. i guess since we’ve already broken up , i just need to accept it and try to make peace with this fact and start holding myself more accountable to be a better person. do you have any better approaches that you can point me to?
Actually no, I believe it’s good you’ve broken up because he wasn’t respecting your career plans (which he earlier agreed on) and saw his needs and goals as more important than yours. He said:
”no guy waits all that long , all i want is to be with you , i dont see why you cant make that happen even if it means to change your entire career you can always find another job..”
He asks you to change your entire career so you can be with him and probably “mother” him in the States, or wherever he is currently living. That’s why he refused a long-distance relationship:
i asked him to continue doing our long distance relationship like any other couple but he said that this is not love and im not putting him as a priority then
He probably needs you by his side, to help him, support him, solve his problems, comfort him (the last part he wasn’t getting so much, that’s why he was complaining), in short he needs you to serve as his care-taker. And you’ve been doing that vigorously because that’s what you’ve learned at home. You were a mother/care-taker to the entire family.
Anyway, if he can’t respect your needs and only cares about his own needs, it’s not a healthy base for a relationship. Don’t blame yourself for the failure of the relationship, don’t think of yourself as a bad person. You do have the right to follow your goals and dreams, you do have the right to work in your preferred field. You don’t need to sacrifice that for anybody.
What you can work on is releasing this role of being a care-taker, or a mentor for others: being responsible for others, and also pushing them to be their best (and in that, perhaps controlling them, or not empathizing enough with them). You said:
i am the eldest child and so if i got a bad grade at school my mom would be really sad and i felt like i had to write a letter to her to apologise or when my siblings were growing up I was always up till now uptight and worried that if they satyed out all night they will cause problems at home so i kept calling and chasing them and felt it in my bones because if i didn’t there will be a fight at the house between my parents.
It seems you felt responsible for your mother’s happiness, and did whatever possible not to upset her. One was excelling at school – you felt so guilty for getting a bad grade, that you felt you needed to write her a letter and apologize. You also felt responsible if your parents had a fight, and you tried everything to prevent it – and so you tried to control the behavior of your younger siblings.
I can imagine how much pressure you were living under as a young girl, trying to keep your parents happy, looking for solutions all the time, trying to minimize damage, and feeling guilty if you haven’t succeed. It was a big burden, and this is a girl you need to empathize with first. You yourself, as a young girl, eager to make her parents happy.
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