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ValoraParticipantBefore calling Social Services, John, I’d suggest you talk to her about getting everyone into counseling… the kids and herself. It’s likely that’s what SS would do, too…. require parenting classes and counseling. But being evaluated by Social Services is stressful on everyone, and ripping children away from their mother, incompetent at the moment or not, is also damaging and likely to cause emotional issues…. so this is why I suggest talking to her first.
From what you’ve said, I don’t think there is anything going on that would be considered abuse, so I doubt them being taken away would actually happen…. but it might be an idea to call them if she refuses to get help because Anita is right that if they all continue on the path they’re on, it really is setting them up for a difficult life. She would likely just be court-ordered to take parenting classes and get them into counseling and then SS would follow up with her regularly to make sure she’s following through. (My son’s stepmom and another friend of mine work for SS with children, which is why I know all this. haha)
ValoraParticipantYeah, I agree! Definitely a great idea to just give him his space and just hang out and enjoy each other’s company when you can. 🙂
ValoraParticipantYeah, I really think you should do it this weekend too, for sure. Especially now that she would probably be able to go to her brother’s. Maybe she can eventually get that place back from him if he ends up wanting to move elsewhere now that he’s single again. I know it’s going to be a hard conversation and a BIG part of you wants to put it off because of that, but I think it’s time to rip that Band-Aid off and get it over with.
I wouldn’t even use the words “right now” when you tell her you don’t think you’re healthy for each other, because that makes it sound like there’s hope to get back together in the future if things change. Do her a favor and make the breakup concrete, like this is it and you have no plans to reconcile. It will help her to be able to move on faster.
ValoraParticipantIn my opinion, it’s good that you’re noticing your irrational thoughts and are recognizing that they’re irrational. That’s good because that means you can change them. If you know something is irrational you can dig deeper into the WHY. Why am I thinking this? What is it that I really want? If I got what I thought I wanted, would it REALLY help me or is what I TRULY want something deeper than that? Once you start questioning this stuff and really dig in there and hash out the root, it fixes the cause of a lot of this stuff.
The irrational thoughts that you’re having is where that book comes in handy too. There is a chapter on recognizing the “automatic thoughts” or “thought errors” as they call them, labeling then (overgeneralizations, mind reading, “should” statements, etc), and then rethinking/rationalizing a more adaptive thought. Once you practice doing this, your thoughts will likely turn from automatically maladaptive to more adative thoughts, so they’re more rational than irrational. To change your mindset you just sort of have to retrain your brain, and that takes time.
With the meditation, if it’s leading you to pick out irrational thoughts, it might actually be working. Those bad feelings and thoughts are just there to show you what needs to be looked at and worked on, so it’s not necessarily a bad thing and definitely not a waste of brain energy. Recognizing and acknowledging your issues is how you fix them 🙂 So that’s actually really mindful… to be able to even recognize your issues. (and having issues/bad feelings/irrational thoughts also doesn’t mean anything’s wrong with you… we all have them for different things. Life is a constant state of growth). Maybe try meditation again, a little more regularly for a bit… like set aside 10-15 minutes in the morning to do it and then another 10-15 in the afternoon, same time every day if you’re able to, and see what comes up.
No matter what, be gentle with yourself. All of this stuff takes time. Realistically, you’re at an age where you’re going to care what other people think at least to a certain degree. I think that’s normal, too. My advice is to just try not to actually compare yourself to them (not comparing will save you a ton of suffering), and just keep working on being okay with who you are because the RIGHT people for you will love you for exactly who you are. The right kind of people can really appreciate someone who is genuine, authentic, and loves who they are, so that’s a good goal to work toward… just figuring out who you are for yourself and being that person… and knowing it’s okay to be that person and that you don’t have to put on an act for anyone. And it’s also okay for not everyone to like you. One of my favorite quote is by Dita Von Tease and she said “You can be the ripest, juiciest peach in the world, and there’s still going to be somebody who hates peaches.” And how true that is.
ValoraParticipantFirst, I want to say that I feel like this fear you’re feeling is somewhat normal at your age, especially for people who don’t necessarily like change. You’re sort of on the brink of it and that can be a scary thing because there’s a bunch of unknown out there. But life and full-on adulthood becomes a lot less scary as you go, and the older you get, the less you care about what people think of you, and that’s an awesome feeling. So far my 30s have been the best years yet, so the best is most definitely yet to come for you, too.
The first thing to do, though, is to stop comparing yourself to other people. Your journey is your journey and it’s okay if it doesn’t match anyone else’s or if you don’t have or do things when other people have or do them. I’m 36 years old and just started my 2nd semester at college, for example. And that’s okay. I had other priorities to attend to before going to school. My point is, though, that it’s okay to do things on your own timeline.
As for the fears, anxiety, and insecurities you’re feeling. There are ways to change that. I’ve found that being mindful helps when you’re always in your head and worried about the past or future. Pulling yourself back to the present as soon as you notice it and just being aware of things as they’re happening right in the moment can help, especially noticing things you like or that are pleasant. Pay attention to all of those awesome little things that happen around you at any given moment.
Meditation is definitely a good thing to try again as it can help you to feel less distracted by training your brain/mind to focus, as well as clearing your thoughts. Even 10 to 20 minutes once or twice a day can work wonders… just do simple meditation, sitting quietly and breathing in for 10 counts and then back out, focusing on the breath, letting thoughts come and go and refocusing on breathing every time your mind starts to wander. It takes practice, though, so don’t expect immediate changes in mindset. Just think of it like an exercise for your brain, training it to help you refocus quickly when your mind starts to wander into unhappy territory.
There is also a good book for managing social anxiety if you’re up for some reading. It’s called “Managing Social Anxiety: A Cognitive-Behavioral Workbook” by Debra Hope, Richard Heimburg, and Cynthia Turk. There are actual exercises in there that you can use to help change your thought patterns. That should really get you some results on a changed mindset, I’d think.
Just remember… you are so young, still. There are so many good things ahead of you and I think it’s a very good sign that you have the insight at such a young age to ask for help with how you’re feeling. A lot of people your age don’t do that, even when they feel much like you are now. These feelings you’re having now, if you let them guide you into finding the things that make you feel secure and good about yourself without the need for validation from anyone else… that is something that will make the rest of your life a lot easier. So these feelings you’re having now can be good in the way that they absolutely can help you to have a better life… just have to find the root cause of them and fix that, and if you can learn to do that, you’re way ahead of a lot of other adults.
ValoraParticipantIt sounds like you two are on exact opposite ends of the parenting spectrum and maybe you both need to meet in the middle.
Screaming at a kid is not good, but I can tell you that I spanked both of my kids when they were little and, if you do it when they are very young, you don’t need to do it when they get older because they don’t like it, don’t want it to happen again, and they learn how to properly behave so that they don’t get spanked anymore. I completely and totally disagree with the idea that spanking does any kind of permanent emotional damage to kids (I’m talking spanking, not beating though. There should be no marks or bruises left). I know some people are very against it, but that’s my opinion on it. I was spanked when I was younger, and my kids got spanked when they were toddlers. They are now 7 and 13 and I cannot even tell you the last time I had to spank them, and they are both very well-behaved, loving, well-adjusted kids and now all I pretty much have to do when they’re misbehaving is give them the “mom look.” If you are uncomfortable with spanking, though, that’s okay, but you’ll need to find some other form of punishment to use when she misbehaves that she absolutely hates in order to deter her from misbehaving again.
On that note, it’s quite possible that you are being a bit TOO lenient on her, with just letting her scream and carry on, especially if it’s happening in public places, because it’s very important to set boundaries. Lots of times, kids will test their parents to see what they can get away with when what they really need is structure. Parents DO need to have some control over their children or those children will walk all over them (and everyone else) when they get older. My daughter also spoke very, very clearly and definitely like a 5-year-old when she was 3, so I know exactly what you mean when it comes to that. It’s likely you have a very smart girl on your hands and potentially a little firecracker, which makes it all the more important that you make sure you are able to have a firm hand with her (speak calmly but firmly when she is misbehaving and follow through with what you say, hold her to your punishments. Don’t let her “cute” you out of following through with them. haha)
On the opposite end of the spectrum seems to be your husband, who is reacting in a completely different way than you are. Screaming at kids definitely doesn’t get you anywhere, but what does help is a calm, firm voice. They have to know you mean what you say, that they need to obey what you’re telling them to do, but screaming and yelling only makes them afraid.
If I were you, I would maybe start with picking up some parenting books. You may not agree with everything that’s said in them and that’s okay. You don’t have to take all of the advice given, but it would be a good place to start. Even reading blogs written by people who are child psychologists or have some form of training (i.e., not just random blogs written by moms), might help direct you two toward a parenting style that will fit you both, but it sounds like you both need to adjust a little bit and meet more in the middle… with both being calm AND firm in your parenting.
ValoraParticipantIt’s said that the best apology is changed behavior. I would say just let your old apology stand and make sure you’ve changed the things he was upset about. Give him his space regularly and allow for some time to go by between replies without reading into things and that should help a lot.
If you do feel you still need to apologize, just give a short, quick apology when you hang out. It sounds like he was a little overwhelmed by maybe your need for attention? So a long apology might be taken the wrong way or feel like boundaries are being crossed again. So I’d keep it short and simple. “Sorry about all that, I’m glad we’re still friends.”
If he does cancel, try not to read too much into it. Things really do come up sometimes, especially if he’s now sick with the flu.
ValoraParticipantCould I still accept it and let it go but at the same time not hang round with him? I said to my friends I can’t really hang round with him anymore as he’s been so rude/awkward in my point of view. Or perhaps i should try to ignore that
Oh, absolutely! Accepting it and letting it go is just for yourself, your own feelings. You’re just not letting it bother you anymore. If you don’t like the new dynamic with him and don’t feel like you want to be around him, that’s totally okay. I’d just go with the flow at this point. That friend that I mentioned earlier that became awkward with me… he was still invited to all of the parties I was and we both always went, we just didn’t really talk to each other and focused on our other friends that were there, and that was okay. Eventually we started talking again, even just little conversations here and there, and that’s okay too. The same may eventually happen with your friend and it’ll feel less awkward to you. Until then, you can do whatever it is you feel comfortable with. Accepting it and letting it go will just give you some peace about the current situation.
ValoraParticipantTo add onto what Mark said (which I also agree with 100%), is it possible you have a fear of intimacy, commitment, or abandonment or some combination of the three? A fear of intimacy, especially, can be sneaky. Even if you’re the type who would love to have someone close to you and have a close, intimate, safe relationship, you can still be afraid of it for the possibility of pain that comes with that type of relationship if you break up. Usually a fear of abandonment comes with a fear of intimacy. If you date emotionally unavailable men, it provides a protective barrier because they never get tooooo close.
ValoraParticipantI spoke to him about getting help and not just reverting to drugs & alcohol…he told me that he uses his ADHD & anxiety as a crutch to continue to abuse alcohol and pot. I know you can’t necessarily “abuse” marijuana but he will not go to sleep without smoking first. However, we’ve been on numerous vacations with my daughter and he does not do that around her (or smoke cigarettes etc.) It’s almost like he is living a double life..
You absolutely can abuse marijuana, even when people try to tell you you can’t. It’s just like any other drug (including caffeine. Caffeine can be abused, too). There is even a medical diagnosis called “cannabis use disorder” now. If he even says flat out that he uses ADHD and anxiety as a crutch, it’s likely he just really likes abusing alcohol and pot right now.
ValoraParticipantThank you for your feedback! At this point, the fact that he is not speaking to me has forced me to look deep within myself to determine if I want this type of relationship. I do not. I’m baffled because we had been on the same page since day one and we did a very good job of being honest with each other – or so I thought. I guess at this point I have to suck it up and accept the fact that he had a change of heart and can’t be what we need him to be. He has a lot of growing up to do.
I don’t have any advice here other than to say that I like this comment. It shows a great maturity and intelligence. I agree that he has some growing up to do and if, later down the road, he matures to your level, you two may make a great couple, but it sounds like it’s just too much of a difference for now.
ValoraParticipantThe thing is me and my bf have been together for 5 years now and it’s always felt like he’s been awkward . I messaged him and he has no clue about it and doesn’t see any issues. So I guess it’s a misunderstanding but I’m not sure I can compare how he acts towards the others as opposed to me.
Just to add I know that we can’t all be the same with everyone and we get along better with some than others. Perhaps that’s just it I just need to not over think it or take it personally?
Did this friendship change happen 5 years ago? When you and your boyfriend got together initially?
If he said that he doesn’t see any issues, even if you notice a difference, I would just try not to take it personally. I’ve had this happen with one of my best guy friends, too, now that I think about it. Right after I got with my ex, my friend kind of stopped talking to me as much and started acting weird, too. Eventually we stopped talking altogether, and our friendship hasn’t been the same since, even though we talk a little more now. That bothered me for a while, too, so I get where you’re coming from, but you just have to kind of get to the point where the change has to be okay. It’s one of those things that you have to accept that it is what it is and that you may not ever know where that change came from, and adjust to the new dynamic. Once you’re able to accept and adjust, you’ll likely feel better and be able to let it go.
And whatever you do… don’t compare your friendship or relationships with others and try not to place expectations on friends when it comes to their friendships with other people (because lots of times they have different perceptions and end up letting you down when your expectations aren’t met). People often have different dynamics with each other for soooo many reasons and there are so many different little things that can affect that dynamic. Your ex-friend might have just really bonded closely with your other friends and that’s why he seems normal with them. Plus…. you never know, he might have even had some residual feelings for you deep in there that got triggered when you got with your boyfriend, which made him act weird and back off without even realizing how he was feeling or what he was doing. And now that some time has passed, he may especially not feel like anything is wrong, but your dynamic with each other changed a long time ago so this is the new normal.
ValoraParticipantWe have talked numerous times about having him go to the Dr to get an official diagnosis of ADHD & Anxiety – he is totally willing to go and take medication. The problem is, he has no health insurance and is so cheap he wouldn’t pay out of pocket.
Honestly, I’m not so sure it’s medication he needs based on what you’ve posted. It sounds more like he needs to learn healthy coping mechanisms, especially if he’s been using substances to try to cope with the feelings he’s had from the deaths of his parents. It would serve him better to work through those feelings and deal with them and hopefully be able to let those feelings go, as well as to learn healthier ways of coping…. so, for me, it sounds like he’d do better to seek counseling with a therapist and cognitive behavioral therapy. Some of the psychotropic medications, after all, can be as addicting as many of the other drugs and come with a host of side effects. They work well for some, but many just need to learn how to deal with their issues.
ValoraParticipantIt’s possible your ex-friend didn’t want to overstep boundaries with your new boyfriend. I know that, in the past, I have acted awkward around friends when they get new girlfriends simply because I have had experiences where new girlfriends have felt threatened by me, so I’ve learned to just back way off from a friendship and feel things out and make sure the new girlfriend is comfortable with me before I’m friends like before. Friendship always changes when someone gets a significant other anyway. It creates a whole new dynamic, so I think you have to expect that.
I would have a talk with him about how you feel and see where he really stands, that you felt he was being really off and awkward and figure out why that is. It may be a misunderstanding.
ValoraParticipantDid you ever talk about him moving into your house until he gets his house finished? or was that not something that would be doable?
Reading down through the thread, I see he’s a heavy drinker, smoker, etc., and that really is a hard thing to deal with. I have an ex that did those things too very heavily at the beginning of the relationship but he had chosen to quit all of them on his own accord a few months in. The fact that he is still doing all of those things heavily 2 years into the relationship suggests that it isn’t likely to change and especially not any time soon, so that’s definitely something to consider, too, especially if he’s going to be living with your child.
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