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Thank you for your feedback! At this point, the fact that he is not speaking to me has forced me to look deep within myself to determine if I want this type of relationship. I do not. I’m baffled because we had been on the same page since day one and we did a very good job of being honest with each other – or so I thought. I guess at this point I have to suck it up and accept the fact that he had a change of heart and can’t be what we need him to be. He has a lot of growing up to do.
I don’t have any advice here other than to say that I like this comment. It shows a great maturity and intelligence. I agree that he has some growing up to do and if, later down the road, he matures to your level, you two may make a great couple, but it sounds like it’s just too much of a difference for now.
ValoraParticipantThe thing is me and my bf have been together for 5 years now and it’s always felt like he’s been awkward . I messaged him and he has no clue about it and doesn’t see any issues. So I guess it’s a misunderstanding but I’m not sure I can compare how he acts towards the others as opposed to me.
Just to add I know that we can’t all be the same with everyone and we get along better with some than others. Perhaps that’s just it I just need to not over think it or take it personally?
Did this friendship change happen 5 years ago? When you and your boyfriend got together initially?
If he said that he doesn’t see any issues, even if you notice a difference, I would just try not to take it personally. I’ve had this happen with one of my best guy friends, too, now that I think about it. Right after I got with my ex, my friend kind of stopped talking to me as much and started acting weird, too. Eventually we stopped talking altogether, and our friendship hasn’t been the same since, even though we talk a little more now. That bothered me for a while, too, so I get where you’re coming from, but you just have to kind of get to the point where the change has to be okay. It’s one of those things that you have to accept that it is what it is and that you may not ever know where that change came from, and adjust to the new dynamic. Once you’re able to accept and adjust, you’ll likely feel better and be able to let it go.
And whatever you do… don’t compare your friendship or relationships with others and try not to place expectations on friends when it comes to their friendships with other people (because lots of times they have different perceptions and end up letting you down when your expectations aren’t met). People often have different dynamics with each other for soooo many reasons and there are so many different little things that can affect that dynamic. Your ex-friend might have just really bonded closely with your other friends and that’s why he seems normal with them. Plus…. you never know, he might have even had some residual feelings for you deep in there that got triggered when you got with your boyfriend, which made him act weird and back off without even realizing how he was feeling or what he was doing. And now that some time has passed, he may especially not feel like anything is wrong, but your dynamic with each other changed a long time ago so this is the new normal.
ValoraParticipantWe have talked numerous times about having him go to the Dr to get an official diagnosis of ADHD & Anxiety – he is totally willing to go and take medication. The problem is, he has no health insurance and is so cheap he wouldn’t pay out of pocket.
Honestly, I’m not so sure it’s medication he needs based on what you’ve posted. It sounds more like he needs to learn healthy coping mechanisms, especially if he’s been using substances to try to cope with the feelings he’s had from the deaths of his parents. It would serve him better to work through those feelings and deal with them and hopefully be able to let those feelings go, as well as to learn healthier ways of coping…. so, for me, it sounds like he’d do better to seek counseling with a therapist and cognitive behavioral therapy. Some of the psychotropic medications, after all, can be as addicting as many of the other drugs and come with a host of side effects. They work well for some, but many just need to learn how to deal with their issues.
ValoraParticipantIt’s possible your ex-friend didn’t want to overstep boundaries with your new boyfriend. I know that, in the past, I have acted awkward around friends when they get new girlfriends simply because I have had experiences where new girlfriends have felt threatened by me, so I’ve learned to just back way off from a friendship and feel things out and make sure the new girlfriend is comfortable with me before I’m friends like before. Friendship always changes when someone gets a significant other anyway. It creates a whole new dynamic, so I think you have to expect that.
I would have a talk with him about how you feel and see where he really stands, that you felt he was being really off and awkward and figure out why that is. It may be a misunderstanding.
ValoraParticipantDid you ever talk about him moving into your house until he gets his house finished? or was that not something that would be doable?
Reading down through the thread, I see he’s a heavy drinker, smoker, etc., and that really is a hard thing to deal with. I have an ex that did those things too very heavily at the beginning of the relationship but he had chosen to quit all of them on his own accord a few months in. The fact that he is still doing all of those things heavily 2 years into the relationship suggests that it isn’t likely to change and especially not any time soon, so that’s definitely something to consider, too, especially if he’s going to be living with your child.
- This reply was modified 5 years, 9 months ago by Valora.
March 6, 2019 at 9:53 am in reply to: very confused-new girlfriend, ex-girlfrend. Help me please #283313ValoraParticipantWhat kinds of things have you been doing to try to stop your thinking? Do you just let yourself get sucked into constantly thinking about it or have you found any ways that effectively distract you?
Writing the letters wasn’t a bad idea at all because it’ll help get the thoughts out of your head, but definitely don’t send them. I’d maybe even write your thoughts on paper and then burn them because I’ve heard writing letters and then burning them is pretty cathartic when it comes to releasing thoughts.
I also think your current relationship isn’t helping you with this any. You’re basically miserable right now, so it seems reasonable that you can’t help but think about the relationship that you were happiest in. You’re likely comparing the two a lot, right? So I think once you are finally able to get out of the situation you’re in, that will help some, too, when it comes to thinking about your ex.
Seeing her again and having her fall for you doesn’t have to be a fantasy illusion, but it’s definitely not a guarantee either, so it’s best to just be mindful of how your life is today and that she is not currently in it so it’s doing you no good to lament that you’re not together… and if the law of attraction says anything, it’s that emotionally feeling want only leads to more feelings of want (I believe this is why exes tend to show up out of the blue once you’re over them). Feelings of lack bring more lacking. That’s why it’s important to redirect your thoughts.
If you really have trouble getting your mind off of it, though, and it is causing you a lot of suffering, I really, really think you should see a counselor, even if just a safe space to get the thoughts out. I know you’re doing that here, too, but professionals really have a lot of knowledge and tools to help people to be able to counteract these thoughts.
One of the biggest things I think you should learn to do here that would help with your suffering is to detach from your ex. You’re still very, very attached. And I get it. It’s extremely hard to do and I don’t know if it can ever be fully done. I still have those days where I miss my ex very much and it makes me very sad, but I’ve worked hard on detaching, so those moments don’t last anywhere near as long as they used to and I get over them quite quickly. That’s probably where your goal should be, too. Feel it and let it pass quickly. Like… 10-20 minutes of sadness and then you feel good again type of quickly.
The point is to know that it’s okay to miss your ex sometimes and it’s okay to feel sad you’re not together, but you can’t let yourself drown in it. If you are, then you need to really, really work on detaching more. Get to the point where you feel like it would be awesome if life did lead you and your ex back to each other but you also truly understand and believe that there are other options out there and you feel truly open to them…. you just have to work on yourself in the meantime and your relationship with your girls and trust that you’ll end up where you need to be.
No matter what… right now, with the way your life is right now… it is NOT the right time for a reconciliation or for the right person to come along. You don’t have space in your life for the right person right now. And you won’t have space until your current relationship ends plus a period of time where you’re single and are able to get back to being your true self.
ValoraParticipantYeah 🙁 Breaking up with someone is a really hard thing to do. I don’t blame you for feeling the way you do, but it’s just one of those things where you just kind of have to rip the band-aid off. However, I think you’re right to not do it a couple days before she starts a new job. At the same time, though, I don’t know if I’d wait too much longer either. I guess you’re just going to have to keep playing it by ear and be careful not to make plans too far into the future. If she talks about wanting to make any plans, I’d just tell her you don’t want to and you can even use that time to tell her you are having doubts about your relationship and don’t think you should make any plans because you aren’t happy with how things have been going.
this is so incredibly hard to do. It’s funny cause when my ex-wife left. She just left, we were done. No hard feelings. It was easy. Now it feel worse and more difficult. I don’t understand.
Was your ex-wife more independent? Your girlfriend seems very codependent so it’s likely you feel more needed and it feels like you’re breaking up with someone who can’t get along without you, like a child, which feels mean… but it’s not mean. She is a grown woman and it would only benefit her to learn to stand on her own. But if your ex-wife was different and more independent, then that’s why that one was easier. You probably knew she’d be fine and she knew that, too.
Give me strength for this. I need it. If I know one thing about myself it that i’m a lover not a fighter. It is very hard for me to not feel bad and sacrifice my own feelings and needs for others. There are many time i wish i was one of those people that didn’t give a crap.
I’m the same way… but here’s the biggest thing I’ve learned about sacrificing your own needs for others. When you’re sacrificing to make sure others are okay, in spite of your own needs, it tends to blow up in your face later on in a BIG way… because it deteriorates your health. If you kept on the road you’re traveling, sacrificing just so she won’t feel hurt, it will only get worse until the point where it just all explodes. So it might make you feel better short-term to not have to hurt anyone, but long-term it’ll make everyone more miserable. And that’s why that’s counterproductive. Self-care is putting your own needs above others’ wants to make sure that you are emotionally healthy, and that is a very, very important thing to do. Self-care should be a priority for every individual. I also want to point out that being with you doesn’t seem to be very healthy for your girlfriend, either.
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ValoraParticipantYes, exactly. And telling you you’re stupid is NEVER necessary and, in my opinion, it IS abusive. That’s something that someone should never tell a partner.
He starts conflict and then blames you for starting the conflict? Is it possible he’s narcissistic? He seems to want to push you down, emotionally. If he doesn’t admit to doing anything wrong, including not recognizing that the negative things he says are not okay to say, then that is NOT a good sign and it’s unlikely to change. You have to be able to know and understand and admit to any bad behavior before you’re able to change it.
From the sounds of things, even if he really is purposely trying to get you to be the one to break up, I probably would go ahead and do that. That is one surefire way to get the behavior to stop because you won’t have to be around him anymore.
ValoraParticipantUgh. My cousin had a boyfriend who pulled that once… threatened to take his life if she broke up with him. He was also mentally abusive to her and she was miserable with him. She broke up with him anyway. He didn’t take his own life. And quite frankly, it wouldn’t have been her responsibility if he had, and it was not fair for him to pin that on her in the first place. Same goes for your girlfriend. The next time she says that, I would drive her straight to the hospital and tell them she’s threatening suicide. And I’m serious about that. If she’s serious, she needs professional help to not feel that way. If she’s not serious, it’s abuse. That is a threat, and it’s not acceptable. I’m quite convinced, based on what you’ve said, that she has very serious codependency issues. You did the right thing by walking out.
I sincerely hope she does get help. She is not responding in a way that is healthy. For either of you.
I think this is the best thing for me. Yes, i want someone who is independent, can take care of themselves at the very least and someone that can have the freedom and is able to do things like i want to.
There are lots of women out there who are like this, especially these days. Many women are more and more independent and self-sufficient than ever. So chances are good you will be able to find what you’re looking for who will also be able to give you the feelings you’re after. Once you get out of this mess you’re in.
ValoraParticipantI talked to my sister about it this morning and she thinks I’m in a mentally abusive relationship that will only get worse. COuld this be true? Am I with an abusive man and not even aware of it?
Yes. This could absolutely be true. The way that you’ve described that he speaks to you… that’s not acceptable, especially if you’re not doing anything to warrant it (like you’re not actually cheating, so he should have no reason to accuse you as such and especially not so often). The way he treats you also makes you feel bad, right? That kind of thing can actually be pretty damaging emotionally if you put up with it for too long and don’t stick up for yourself, so I would agree that it could be a mentally and emotionally abusive relationship.
There’s a difference between someone who has insecurities and deals with them in a constructive way by having a conversation at an appropriate time to try to resolve those insecurities and someone who is just being a jerk about everything. You know what I mean?
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ValoraParticipantYeah, it sounds like has issues he needs to work on. It’s possible that this is just how he is. His culture may have something to do with it as well, but it’s said that 6 to 7 months is about the time that the “honeymoon phase” in a relationship starts to wear off (although sometimes it lasts longer than that), and that’s when you really start to see people’s true colors.
So, I think the decision now lies on you and what you’re willing to put up with. If it were me, I would have a serious talk with him about his behavior and let him know it’s unacceptable. If he cannot stop accusing you of cheating and all of these other things, then you should either break up or he should seek counseling if he’s willing and wants to change. But that will only work if he WANTS to do it. He may be able to change on his own without counseling if he actively works to change his behavior, but, again, he’d have to want to. Otherwise, if he is unwilling to see how his behavior is affecting you and unwilling to change, I would move on and find someone who would treat you better, because I can imagine it would be hard be stay happy in a relationship where this kind of treatment is going on.
ValoraParticipantCan you tell us any more about him as an individual? Did he just start doing this or has he always been nitpicky or quick to anger? Is he stressed out at all? Any history of depression/anxiety? Is he happy with most things in his life? His accomplishments, work, social relationships, etc.
His constant accusations of not being able to trust you are a red flag, though. He either has some issues with abandonment (especially if any of his previous girlfriends have cheated on him or if he is a child of divorce that resulted from infidelity) or he’s doing something he’s afraid you’re doing, too.
No matter what, though…. make sure you are sticking up for yourself when he does these things. Do not allow him to treat you in a way that you do not deserve.
ValoraParticipantHave you been to counseling at all?
I think the first step is figuring out exactly what it is that makes you feel unworthy… not on a surface level, but deeep beliefs, deep down. Why do you think you’re not worthy and what caused those? If it was caused by your relationship, exactly what aspects? What was said or done and how did it make you feel and why? You have to just ask yourself a ton of questions to get to the root causes, and then you work on changing those thoughts and beliefs. That’s where a therapist can really help because there are quite a few techniques that help do this. But it’s all about changing those beliefs.
Most of all, accept that HE thinks you’re worthy. He’s the one who gets to decide who is worthy for him, just as you are the one who gets to decide who is worthy of you. Not the other way around. So if he says those things about you, work on letting yourself believe them. He’s telling you what he sees. Allow yourself to see the same.
It seems my ex had a similar belief to you. When he broke up with me he was going through a depressive state and said he wanted to feel like he was good enough for me but he just didn’t and he felt like he was going to drag me down. What I saw in him was the complete opposite. He absolutely was more than good enough (especially when it came to the things I cared about) and he meant the world to me. We dated for 2 years, and this was eventually our downfall, so definitely work on these feelings now, before you get into a relationship, because you’re right, it could potentially sabotage it. BUT the feelings you’re having are ones that can be changed… you just have to dig deep and find the root cause.
Also, you said he’s not ready for a full-blown relationship yet anyway, so be careful to not get attached to the idea of a relationship with this man until you know he’s ready for a full-blown one. If you start assuming there will be one when he’s only said he’s not ready, it’s a sure-fire way to increase the bad feelings. So definitely best to keep your heart in check there, too.
ValoraParticipantI feel like there may be some boundaries being crossed in your relationship. You may not want want to care that she hangs out with this person alone, but the fact is that you DO care and it makes you uncomfortable, and your gf/fiance should respect that. At the very least, she should include you. If she’s deleting texts, she’s hiding things from you, which is not a good sign.
Also, you said “I don’t care about being lied to,” but I think that is something you very much should care about in this case, because being lied to, especially when it comes to an ex-lover, is a breach of trust. We all tell lies from time to time to not hurt others’ feelings (like “I love your new haircut!” even when it actually looks awful), but there are some things that should just not be lied about in a relationship, and that’s one of those things.
ValoraParticipantI really think my girlfriend is delusional or in denial about the whole thing. She is weird, because she says she knows i don’t love her like i did my ex. and that she doesn’t think i will, but yet she still wants to stay with me.
I don’t think she’s necessarily in denial or delusional because she is very much acknowledging the truth of the situation. The fact that she’s choosing to stay, though, says she is codependent, which is just as harmful to a person and a relationship as being delusional or in denial.
She does need to take responsibility for her moving in also. It wasn’t like we were exactly on cloud 9 when she did. She should have decided to wait and make sure all was good between us. I do take responsibility as well.
Exactly. It’s very clear that you’re also taking responsibility for your part in it, which is why you’re feeling guilty, but this is on her, too. First and foremost, a parent’s main job is to do what’s best for the kids. Not to sound judgmental on my part, but making them switch school districts so she could move in with a her boyfriend she’d only been seeing for a few months was not a good idea, and that was on her. She’s the one that chose to move her kids. You didn’t force her to.
But like you said… we all make mistakes. The important part is recognizing them, taking responsibility, and learning the lesson from them. But it isn’t right to accuse you as if you were the only one who made the mistake or that you forced her into the position she’s in. She put herself there by agreeing to it.
I also wouldn’t do too much comparing with this situation and your ex. They’re just two different situations. Just because you’re feeling this way about your girlfriend doesn’t mean your ex felt that way about you at the time. It’s hard to say what your ex was going through. And as much as it sucks to recognize this… whether your ex thinks about you often or not doesn’t really matter because she isn’t a part of your life right now. Who knows, maybe she’ll come back once you’re free again and have had a chance to focus on you and your kids for a bit, but as of right now, she’s staying away. I think she might still have some growing to do anyway given how she handled things the last time. It still showed some immaturity.
I really need to get back to myself, with just me and my girls. I need to make them and me my priority anymore, NOT other people, no matter how I feel about them.
This is absolutely the best thing you can do. Just get back to being you and spending time with your girls and see if your daughter notices you’re more “you” after a while. Get in a good spot with the way you feel in general again. Then let love find it’s way to you after that. I don’t think it hurts to hold a little hope alive for a reconciliation with your ex down the road, but also keep your options open, get to know new people with the hope that there could also be someone even better than your ex out there… someone who makes you feel the same way that your ex did (that “home” feeling), who has kids who are already grown and is free to travel and go do fun things, has their life together, and who is ready for a mature, committed, life-long relationship…. that’s what you’re ultimately looking for, right?
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